Dear Mike, Thank you for sending this citation to the list. I have long wondered about how Jonathan H. Rake was connected with Jacob Fox. He shows up in deeds selling land that belonged to Fox's estate, and in fact, sold the land on which my house stands. However, the land in dispute in the court case you cited is a different lot from mine. I was fascinated to learn that Thomas Godown and wife Eve separated after Isaac Fox came of age, and that Thomas died in the poorhouse. What I don't know is where Eve and son Isaac went to live after selling the "premises" to Asa Moore. (By the way, that premises was located on Ferry Road in Delaware Twp. Hunterdon Co., I think.) The answer may be that Isaac Fox owned land in Alexandria Township, and was a miller there. That land was probably other land that he inherited from his father Jacob. Jacob was something of a real estate speculator, which makes figuring out who was where when a little challenging. I do not know where Jacob Fox's Alexandria homestead was, but that is where he died in 1795. Just to make things a little more interesting, the Fox and Rake families got their start in Delaware Twp in the mid 1700s, bordering Sandbrook Road in Delaware Twp. So Jonathan Rake certainly had reason to be acquainted with Isaac Fox. Regards, Marfy Goodspeed On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 12:59 AM, Mike Morrissey <[email protected]>wrote: > Kim, > > Adeline was the only child of Thomas Godown and Eva Fox, per a New Jersey > Supreme case. > New Jersey Law Reports, Vol XXIV, > Reports of Cases Argued and Determined in the Supreme Court and the Court > of Errors and Appeals in the State of New Jersey, A.O. Zabriskie, Reporter. > page 364 > Go to Google books and search on "Thomas Godown" to read more. > > Mike Morrissey > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kim Golding" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 10:44 PM > Subject: [NJHUNTER] Adaline Godown's Parents > > > Since there is so much wisdom in the room tonight, I will ask for help > with my most pressing challenge. > > Jonathan Hunter Rake and Adaline Godown were married 20 June 1826 in > Hunterdon Co., NJ > > I have determined they had 4 children (at least): > Jacob Fox Rake 9 Feb 1826 > Sarah Adaline Rake 1828 > Jonathan Hunter Rake 18 Sep 1830 > Susan E. Rake 4 Apr 1841 > > I have not determined who Adaline's parents are. HOWEVER, a couple days > ago, I found something on the internet at the Godown site that caught my > eye: > > Marriage Records, Hunterdon County New Jersey (1795-1875). According to > the book Adeline Godown and Jonathan Rake were married June > 26,1826, 2-295 (Wilson,J.P.). J.P. meaning justice of the peace. The > numbers following the date are the volume and page number of the > original record. This may be a long shot but there is only one marriage > listed early enough to be Adeline's parents. Godown,Thomas and Eve Fox, > January 4,1801 1-43 (Lambert,Esq.). > > I thought it was a long shot "guess" until I remembered Jacob's middle > name. If anyone has ideas or information on this, please let me know. > I'd like to think I've finally made some progress on this one! > > THANK YOU! > > Kim Golding > Tacoma > [email protected] > (PS - I originally sent this the the list's request email addy. whoops!) > > > > > Visit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter <http://www.rootsweb.com/%7Enjhunter> > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > Visit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter <http://www.rootsweb.com/%7Enjhunter> > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

____________________________________ From: HEChan To: [email protected] Sent: 11/15/2008 9:15:21 A.M. Eastern Standard Time Subj: Re: Fw: [NJHUNTER] Carrie/Caroline Pickel 1833 I was rereading your email on the film and other materials about Elizabeth Pickel et al. I am still so thrilled to see that they were the ones that "stood up" with Carrie Pickel and Truman Curtis...when all this time I was hoping they were someone else than just friends of the one who did the ceremony. I was also glad I had a copy of the certificate. I also have a copy of my grandparents marriage certificate (Carrie's daughter) and Carrie Curtis and Grandma's brother-in-law were the witnesses for that. I am so thrilled...so thrilled yesterday with the added news you sent that I was shaking and could hardly type--or think straight--when I talked to Dot. Thanks, Helen In a message dated 11/14/2008 8:00:52 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: ----- Original Message ----- From: "mike" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 7:27 PM Subject: Re: [NJHUNTER] Carrie/Caroline Pickel 1833 > Dot, > > There is a film copy of at least some of the records available through the > Family History Library: > Church records of the German Reformed Church, of Alexandria Township, > Hunterdon County, New Jersey FHL US/CAN Film 441466 Item 2 > > Ancenstry.com has the records from 1763 through 1802. > > You may have noticed in the 1850 census of Washington, Macomb, MI > Elizabeth Pickle, age 25, b NJ living with the Calkins family. > She married John Mann and died in 1897. > see Past and Present of Macomb County, Michigan By Robert F. Eldredge, > page 406 > search Google books for "Elizabeth Pickle" Macomb > > Bruce and Washington townwhips border each other. I am guessing, but > Elizabeth may be a sister of Caroline. > > I would be interested to hear if you are able to confirm Caroline's > parents. > > Mike Morrissey > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dotbfl" <[email protected]> > To: "NJHUNTER mail list" <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 4:18 PM > Subject: [NJHUNTER] Carrie/Caroline Pickel 1833 > > >>I am trying to find the source for the date of birth of Carrie/Caroline >>Pickel on 2 April 1833 in Alexandria, Hunterdon Co, NJ. She was in >>Michigan in 1850 and m Truman Curtis 1859. She died 1910. >> Need to connect her to parents who I believe are Jonathan Pickel and wife >> Hannah Person or Besson. They were married 1821 in Alexandria German >> Reformed Church but it was not in operation when Carrie/Caroline was >> born. Does anyone know where I could find the records from this church? >> Any help greatly appreciated. >> Dot >> >> Visit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > Visit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ____________________________________ _Get the Moviefone Toolbar_ (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212774565x1200812037/aol?redir=http://toolbar.aol.com/moviefone/download.html?ncid=e mlcntusdown00000001) . Showtimes, theaters, movie news & more! **************Get the Moviefone Toolbar. Showtimes, theaters, movie news & more!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212774565x1200812037/aol?redir=htt p://toolbar.aol.com/moviefone/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000001)

Good morning and thank you. The only disappointing and confusing thing about this is that Carrie said--as I mentioned--put down on legal documents and said to her family that her parents were Jonathan and Hannah Pickel. Stranger stories have been told, I know, but when she was so far away in time and distance, I don't see the need for lying. We may never know. If Elizabeth and Carrie were sisters...then they shared the other siblings, too. I have no other name for Caroline's parents than the above that she mentioned. I know that my grandparents didn't know that they weren't her parents because Grandpa (W.E. Chandler of MI) lived to be one-hundred and alert to the end. He lived with my family, Stewart and Mildred (Annis) Chandler after my grandmother died in her early eighties. He did back genealogy plus the names and towns of all his fifteen siblings of whom he was the youngest living one...and to whom they were married and who their children were. He has my grandmother's family all listed in the same way...except for Elizabeth...who doesn't appear, but he might not have known much about Carrie's family since it looks like no others besides the two lived in MI--unless the Calkins are related. These two seemed to live with other families, perhaps related to them or former neighbors, anyway. The Man/n name doesn't surprise me..pleases me that Elizabeth Man and her husband signed as witnesses to Carrie's marriage to Truman Curtis. I'm glad that there are no surprises in the Curtis family and seems to be well documented. I wonder who the Calkins were and what was their connection. I guess I'll have to do a little poking around on that one to for my own satisfaction. Where do I write for the will? I remember in my early days of genealogy I learned that NJ was one of the first genealogy-friendly states. This was nice information to get first thing in the morning. I was wondering where I start next. I hope you have a wonderfuk weekend, Helen Chandler (in Miami) In a message dated 11/15/2008 12:42:28 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Doty & Helen, Jonathan Odell Pickell, husband of Hannah Besson, left a will, file 6899J. I don't know if he mentioned all of his children in his will, but it would be worth obtaining if you think they are the parents of Caroline and/or Elizabeth. It costs about $5. The 1840 census of Washington, Macolm Co., MI Elizabeth Pickle: no males, 1 female < 5, 2 females < 10, 1 female < 15. 1 female 40-50. On the same page was the family of Hiram Calkins (Elizabeth Pickle Jr was living with them in 1850) and a Mann family. It is likely that Elizabeth Pickle Sr. died before 1850 and her children went to live with family and friends. A probate record may exist for her or guardianships for her children who were under age. Tax records begin in Washington Twp in 1844. If Elizabeth Pickel Sr. owned land and died after 1843, she would be listed and you could get a clearer idea of when she died. It is likely that Elizabeth's husband purchased land when the family moved to Michigan. I think those records would show who her husband was. > Elizabeth Pickel died Feb 14, 1827, age 3 weeks and was buried at St Thomas > Episcopal in Alexandria She was the daughter of Jonathan Odell Pickel and Hannah Besson. She was born in January 1827. I don't show that couple had a daughter named Caroline. The 1830 census of Alexandria, Hunterdon Co shows only one Jonathan Pickel with only1 daughter at that time. She was Mary Ann, born 04 Feb 1828. > other later siblings could be named after their deceased sibling or are these > 2 Elizabeth Pickel girls COUSINS? This was a common practice and should be looked at. However, Elizabeth is listed in the 1850, 1870 & 1880 census as being born about 1825. In the 1860 census she is listed as being born about 1827 in Michigan. I think it is more likely the two Elizabeth's were cousins. Elizabeth Pickle Mann had a daugther named Carrie, implying they were close. > Elizabeth Pickel who according NJDARM database married Conrad Hockenberry 16 > May 1852 in Lebanon, Hunterdon County, NJ. She was the daughter of Henry Pickel and Hannah Johnson. Mike Morrissey ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 8:38 PM Subject: Re: [NJHUNTER] Carrie/Caroline Pickel 1833 Elizabeth Pickel died Feb 14, 1827, age 3 weeks and was buried at St Thomas Episcopal in Alexandria Caroline Lennard died Se[p 26, 1851 at age 2 years 7 months. Fred Lathrop ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 8:10:09 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [NJHUNTER] Carrie/Caroline Pickel 1833 I'll let you know. Dot and I are on line together now...back and forth. She doesn't see it like i do. I think We've got her cornered In a message dated 11/14/2008 8:09:08 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Hi Mike, Good clue. Caroline and Truman's marriage was witnessed by John and Elizabeth Man. Have to find that census and see. Thanks for the reply. I will be sure to get back to you if/when I find Carrie's parents. Dot ----- Original Message ----- From: "mike" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 7:27 PM Subject: Re: [NJHUNTER] Carrie/Caroline Pickel 1833 > Dot, > > There is a film copy of at least some of the records available through the > Family History Library: > Church records of the German Reformed Church, of Alexandria Township, > Hunterdon County, New Jersey FHL US/CAN Film 441466 Item 2 > > Ancenstry.com has the records from 1763 through 1802. > > You may have noticed in the 1850 census of Washington, Macomb, MI > Elizabeth Pickle, age 25, b NJ living with the Calkins family. > She married John Mann and died in 1897. > see Past and Present of Macomb County, Michigan By Robert F. Eldredge, > page 406 > search Google books for "Elizabeth Pickle" Macomb > > Bruce and Washington townwhips border each other. I am guessing, but > Elizabeth may be a sister of Caroline. > > I would be interested to hear if you are able to confirm Caroline's > parents. > > Mike Morrissey > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dotbfl" <[email protected]> > To: "NJHUNTER mail list" <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 4:18 PM > Subject: [NJHUNTER] Carrie/Caroline Pickel 1833 > > >>I am trying to find the source for the date of birth of Carrie/Caroline >>Pickel on 2 April 1833 in Alexandria, Hunterdon Co, NJ. She was in >>Michigan in 1850 and m Truman Curtis 1859. She died 1910. >> Need to connect her to parents who I believe are Jonathan Pickel and wife >> Hannah Person or Besson. They were married 1821 in Alexandria German >> Reformed Church but it was not in operation when Carrie/Caroline was >> born. 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Elizabeth Pickel died Feb 14, 1827, age 3 weeks and was buried at St Thomas Episcopal in Alexandria Caroline Lennard died Se[p 26, 1851 at age 2 years 7 months. Fred Lathrop ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 8:10:09 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [NJHUNTER] Carrie/Caroline Pickel 1833 I'll let you know.  Dot and I are on line together now...back and  forth.   She doesn't see it like i do.  I think We've got her  cornered     In a message dated 11/14/2008 8:09:08 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,   [email protected] writes: Hi  Mike, Good clue.  Caroline and Truman's marriage was  witnessed by John and Elizabeth Man.  Have to find that census and  see.  Thanks for the reply.  I will be sure to get back to you  if/when I find Carrie's parents. Dot ----- Original Message -----   From: "mike" <[email protected]> To:  <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 7:27  PM Subject: Re: [NJHUNTER] Carrie/Caroline Pickel 1833 >  Dot, > > There is a film copy of at least some of the records  available through the > Family History Library: > Church records  of the German Reformed Church, of Alexandria Township, > Hunterdon  County, New Jersey  FHL US/CAN Film 441466 Item 2 > >  Ancenstry.com has the records from 1763 through 1802. > > You may  have noticed in the 1850 census of Washington, Macomb, MI > Elizabeth  Pickle, age 25, b NJ living with the Calkins family. > She married John  Mann and died in 1897. > see Past and Present of Macomb County, Michigan  By Robert F. Eldredge, > page 406 > search Google books for  "Elizabeth Pickle" Macomb > > Bruce and Washington townwhips  border each other.  I am guessing, but > Elizabeth may be a sister  of Caroline. > > I would be interested to hear if you are able to  confirm Caroline's > parents. > > Mike  Morrissey > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dotbfl"  <[email protected]> > To: "NJHUNTER mail list"  <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 4:18  PM > Subject: [NJHUNTER] Carrie/Caroline Pickel  1833 > > >>I am trying to find the source for the date of  birth of Carrie/Caroline >>Pickel on 2 April 1833 in Alexandria,  Hunterdon Co, NJ.  She was in >>Michigan in 1850 and m Truman  Curtis 1859.  She died 1910. >> Need to connect her to parents  who I believe are Jonathan Pickel and wife >> Hannah Person or  Besson.  They were married 1821 in Alexandria German >>  Reformed Church but it was not in operation when Carrie/Caroline was   >> born.  Does anyone know where I could find the records from  this church? >> Any help greatly appreciated. >>  Dot >> >> Visit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at:   >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter >>  ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list,  please send an email to >> [email protected] with the  word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body  of the message >> > Visit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at:   > http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter >  ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please  send an email to > [email protected] with the word  'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the  message > Visit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at:  http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter ------------------------------- To  unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to   [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes  in the subject and the body of the  message **************Get the Moviefone Toolbar. Showtimes, theaters, movie news & more!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212774565x1200812037/aol?redir=htt p://toolbar.aol.com/moviefone/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000001) Visit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Kim, Adeline was the only child of Thomas Godown and Eva Fox, per a New Jersey Supreme case. New Jersey Law Reports, Vol XXIV, Reports of Cases Argued and Determined in the Supreme Court and the Court of Errors and Appeals in the State of New Jersey, A.O. Zabriskie, Reporter. page 364 Go to Google books and search on "Thomas Godown" to read more. Mike Morrissey ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim Golding" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 10:44 PM Subject: [NJHUNTER] Adaline Godown's Parents Since there is so much wisdom in the room tonight, I will ask for help with my most pressing challenge. Jonathan Hunter Rake and Adaline Godown were married 20 June 1826 in Hunterdon Co., NJ I have determined they had 4 children (at least): Jacob Fox Rake 9 Feb 1826 Sarah Adaline Rake 1828 Jonathan Hunter Rake 18 Sep 1830 Susan E. Rake 4 Apr 1841 I have not determined who Adaline's parents are. HOWEVER, a couple days ago, I found something on the internet at the Godown site that caught my eye: Marriage Records, Hunterdon County New Jersey (1795-1875). According to the book Adeline Godown and Jonathan Rake were married June 26,1826, 2-295 (Wilson,J.P.). J.P. meaning justice of the peace. The numbers following the date are the volume and page number of the original record. This may be a long shot but there is only one marriage listed early enough to be Adeline's parents. Godown,Thomas and Eve Fox, January 4,1801 1-43 (Lambert,Esq.). I thought it was a long shot "guess" until I remembered Jacob's middle name. If anyone has ideas or information on this, please let me know. I'd like to think I've finally made some progress on this one! THANK YOU! Kim Golding Tacoma [email protected] (PS - I originally sent this the the list's request email addy. whoops!) Visit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Doty & Helen, Jonathan Odell Pickell, husband of Hannah Besson, left a will, file 6899J. I don't know if he mentioned all of his children in his will, but it would be worth obtaining if you think they are the parents of Caroline and/or Elizabeth. It costs about $5. The 1840 census of Washington, Macolm Co., MI Elizabeth Pickle: no males, 1 female < 5, 2 females < 10, 1 female < 15. 1 female 40-50. On the same page was the family of Hiram Calkins (Elizabeth Pickle Jr was living with them in 1850) and a Mann family. It is likely that Elizabeth Pickle Sr. died before 1850 and her children went to live with family and friends. A probate record may exist for her or guardianships for her children who were under age. Tax records begin in Washington Twp in 1844. If Elizabeth Pickel Sr. owned land and died after 1843, she would be listed and you could get a clearer idea of when she died. It is likely that Elizabeth's husband purchased land when the family moved to Michigan. I think those records would show who her husband was. > Elizabeth Pickel died Feb 14, 1827, age 3 weeks and was buried at St Thomas > Episcopal in Alexandria She was the daughter of Jonathan Odell Pickel and Hannah Besson. She was born in January 1827. I don't show that couple had a daughter named Caroline. The 1830 census of Alexandria, Hunterdon Co shows only one Jonathan Pickel with only1 daughter at that time. She was Mary Ann, born 04 Feb 1828. > other later siblings could be named after their deceased sibling or are these > 2 Elizabeth Pickel girls COUSINS? This was a common practice and should be looked at. However, Elizabeth is listed in the 1850, 1870 & 1880 census as being born about 1825. In the 1860 census she is listed as being born about 1827 in Michigan. I think it is more likely the two Elizabeth's were cousins. Elizabeth Pickle Mann had a daugther named Carrie, implying they were close. > Elizabeth Pickel who according NJDARM database married Conrad Hockenberry 16 > May 1852 in Lebanon, Hunterdon County, NJ. She was the daughter of Henry Pickel and Hannah Johnson. Mike Morrissey ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 8:38 PM Subject: Re: [NJHUNTER] Carrie/Caroline Pickel 1833 Elizabeth Pickel died Feb 14, 1827, age 3 weeks and was buried at St Thomas Episcopal in Alexandria Caroline Lennard died Se[p 26, 1851 at age 2 years 7 months. Fred Lathrop ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 8:10:09 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [NJHUNTER] Carrie/Caroline Pickel 1833 I'll let you know. Dot and I are on line together now...back and forth. She doesn't see it like i do. I think We've got her cornered In a message dated 11/14/2008 8:09:08 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Hi Mike, Good clue. Caroline and Truman's marriage was witnessed by John and Elizabeth Man. Have to find that census and see. Thanks for the reply. I will be sure to get back to you if/when I find Carrie's parents. Dot ----- Original Message ----- From: "mike" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 7:27 PM Subject: Re: [NJHUNTER] Carrie/Caroline Pickel 1833 > Dot, > > There is a film copy of at least some of the records available through the > Family History Library: > Church records of the German Reformed Church, of Alexandria Township, > Hunterdon County, New Jersey FHL US/CAN Film 441466 Item 2 > > Ancenstry.com has the records from 1763 through 1802. > > You may have noticed in the 1850 census of Washington, Macomb, MI > Elizabeth Pickle, age 25, b NJ living with the Calkins family. > She married John Mann and died in 1897. > see Past and Present of Macomb County, Michigan By Robert F. Eldredge, > page 406 > search Google books for "Elizabeth Pickle" Macomb > > Bruce and Washington townwhips border each other. I am guessing, but > Elizabeth may be a sister of Caroline. > > I would be interested to hear if you are able to confirm Caroline's > parents. > > Mike Morrissey > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dotbfl" <[email protected]> > To: "NJHUNTER mail list" <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 4:18 PM > Subject: [NJHUNTER] Carrie/Caroline Pickel 1833 > > >>I am trying to find the source for the date of birth of Carrie/Caroline >>Pickel on 2 April 1833 in Alexandria, Hunterdon Co, NJ. She was in >>Michigan in 1850 and m Truman Curtis 1859. She died 1910. >> Need to connect her to parents who I believe are Jonathan Pickel and wife >> Hannah Person or Besson. They were married 1821 in Alexandria German >> Reformed Church but it was not in operation when Carrie/Caroline was >> born. Does anyone know where I could find the records from this church? >> Any help greatly appreciated. >> Dot >> >> Visit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > Visit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > Visit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************Get the Moviefone Toolbar. 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I think Dot answered this one. Truman had three wives and Carrie Pickel was the third (my great grandmother). She had at least two children who died at about eight months old...a year apart. My grandmother, Ina B. Curtis, was born a year later, I think. Then they had two more...One died at age 21, and Luna, the youngest lived to be "old" when she died. I don't have it in front of me. She married Frank Church of Pontiac, MI...as she was from there...and Carrie lived with them in her later years...or they lived with her...anyway, together, and then they moved to Los Angeles and she and her husband died there. The census said that Carrie had seven children, but only three lived. It's way past my bedtime, but so much happened tonight...first progress with Caroline PIckel since I started hunting several years ago. I'm so excited. Good night...or good morning...Helen Chandler In a message dated 11/14/2008 5:12:39 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: This is not what you wanted, but I search MI often for my N.J. ancestors and their history, here is some of what I found, but nothing about your Carrie/Caroline Pickel of New Jersey, except the Dibean Marriage Index. Marilyn in CA >From MI Dibean Marriage Index: CURTIS,PICKEL,TRUMAN - CURTIS,CAROLINE - PICKEL,MACOMB,--,,11 JAN 1859,--,--,-- >From a Curtiss family site: http://www.online-isp.com/~maggie/macomb/curtiss.htm 3. Truman CURTIS b. February 12, 1822, NY who m Mary Jane WALES February 5, 1846 an then Caroline PICKEL and d. June 10, 1883 Shelby Twp. A DIFFERENT TRUMAN CURTIS? http://quod.lib.umich.edu/cgi/t/text/pageviewer-idx?c=micounty&cc=micounty&idn o=bad1164.0001.001&q1=truman+curtis&frm=frameset&view=image&seq=721 Title: History of Saginaw county, Michigan; together with ... portraits ... and biographies ... History of Michigan ... Author: Leeson, M. A. (Michael A.) Collection: Michigan County Histories and Atlases Truman Curtis, farmer, sec. 26; P. O., Pine Grove; was born in New York, March 4,1804; parents were Jeremiah and Mary Curtis, natives of Massachusetts, and of English descent; father died when subject was small, and he was bound out to work for a Presbyterian; was severely whipped for attending a Methodist meeting, and ran away from his master; he has been a farmer through life, with exception of a few years at cabinet and chair making; was Justice of the Peace three years; has been Highway Commissioner and School Director, and is connected with I. O. O. F.; was married Oct. 20, 1823, to Sophronia Gillett, who was born in Cortland Co., N. Y., in 1805; of 7 children given them, 5 are living-Silva A., wife of Jonathan Smith, of New York; Lauren, James, Sophia and Emmett. His wife died in 1849. He was married again in Ohio to Barbara Ferguson, who was born in Lake Co., O., April 5, 1824. They have 6 children-George, Josephine, Charles, Albert, Ella and John M.; subject and wife are members of the M. E. Church, and well-respected citizens of Birch Run tp. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dotbfl" <> To: "NJHUNTER mail list" <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 1:18 PM Subject: [NJHUNTER] Carrie/Caroline Pickel 1833 >I am trying to find the source for the date of birth of Carrie/Caroline >Pickel on 2 April 1833 in Alexandria, Hunterdon Co, NJ. She was in >Michigan in 1850 and m Truman Curtis 1859. She died 1910. > Need to connect her to parents who I believe are Jonathan Pickel and wife > Hannah Person or Besson. They were married 1821 in Alexandria German > Reformed Church but it was not in operation when Carrie/Caroline was born. > Does anyone know where I could find the records from this church? > Any help greatly appreciated. > Dot > > Visit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > Visit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************Get the Moviefone Toolbar. Showtimes, theaters, movie news & more!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212774565x1200812037/aol?redir=htt p://toolbar.aol.com/moviefone/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000001)

Thanks so much...just thinking outloud. Why wasn't Caroline listed with the family of Jonathan and Hannah. Elizabeth was...and they both lived in the same county in MI...and they stood up with Carrie and Truman Curtis at their wedding...signed it... In a message dated 11/14/2008 10:04:24 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Yes...but began to think...still think Jonathan and Hannah may not have been her parents. Now that I have where the sister was...I think somehow, they both moved in with the other family...but maybe they just had different PIckel parents, but Carrie was my greatgrandmother and it says that Jonathan and Hanna Pickel were her parents. Says she moved to MI at age three. In a message dated 11/14/2008 9:55:35 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Hello to all, There is also an Elizabeth Pickel who according NJDARM database married Conrad Hockenberry 16 May 1852 in Lebanon, Hunterdon County, NJ. Dot, if you go to google books and type in "Johnathan Pickel of Hunterdon County, New Jersey" you will find many entries, some with only "snippet" views, others in full PDF format to download. Here is one of the Jonathan Pickel's daughters, I assume. History of Bucks County, Pennsylvania edited by J. H. Battle JORDAN H. STOVER, farmer, P. O. Erwinna, is the youngest son of Henry S. Stover, and was born May 1, 1833, in the old homestead, which has been his lite- long home. He learned the miller's trade in his father's mill, and carried on that business until 1886, at the same time cultivating a small farm attached to the homestead. He was educated in Freeland seminary, at Perkiomen, Montgomery county. In 1869 he bought an interest in his father's mill. He remodelled and partially rebuilt the old home, making it an elegant and commodious residence. June 17, 1858, he married Rachel, daughter of Jonathan Pickel, of Hunterdon county, N. J. She was born June 30, 1838. They have three children : Hannah P., the wife of J. C. Lambrite, of Doylestown ; Edward C., married to Elizabeth Coane, living in Trenton, N. J. ; and Lizzie P., who lives with her parents. Mr. and Mrs. Stover are members of the Presbyterian church at Frenchtown, N. J., of which he is a trustee. He has always been an active, enterprising business man, and enjoys the respect of his neighbors. Visit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************Get the Moviefone Toolbar. Showtimes, theaters, movie news & more!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212774565x1200812037/aol?redir= htt p://toolbar.aol.com/moviefone/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000001) Visit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************Get the Moviefone Toolbar. Showtimes, theaters, movie news & more!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212774565x1200812037/aol?redir=htt p://toolbar.aol.com/moviefone/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000001)

Elizabeth...right age is listed as the daughter of Jonathan Pickel...the one who was in MI with Carrie. Gone a long way tonight...Thanks In a message dated 11/14/2008 9:58:54 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Oops, JONATHAN! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marilyn LeVeque" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 7:27 PM Subject: [NJHUNTER] Rachel Pickel,dtr of Jonathan of Hunterdon m. Jordan H. Stover/Elizabeth Pickelm. Conrad Hockenberry > Hello to all, > > There is also an Elizabeth Pickel who according NJDARM database married > Conrad Hockenberry 16 May 1852 in Lebanon, Hunterdon County, NJ. > > Dot, if you go to google books and type in "Johnathan Pickel of Hunterdon > County, New Jersey" you will find many entries, some with only "snippet" > views, others in full PDF format to download. Here is one of the Jonathan > Pickel's daughters, I assume. > > History of Bucks County, Pennsylvania edited by J. H. Battle > JORDAN H. STOVER, farmer, P. O. Erwinna, is the youngest son of Henry S. > Stover, and was born May 1, 1833, in the old homestead, which has been his > lite- > long home. He learned the miller's trade in his father's mill, and > carried on that > business until 1886, at the same time cultivating a small farm attached to > the homestead. > He was educated in Freeland seminary, at Perkiomen, Montgomery county. > In 1869 he bought an interest in his father's mill. He remodelled and > partially rebuilt > the old home, making it an elegant and commodious residence. June 17, > 1858, > he married Rachel, daughter of Jonathan Pickel, of Hunterdon county, N. J. > She > was born June 30, 1838. They have three children : Hannah P., the wife of > J. C. > Lambrite, of Doylestown ; Edward C., married to Elizabeth Coane, living in > Trenton, N. J. ; and Lizzie P., who lives with her parents. Mr. and Mrs. > Stover > are members of the Presbyterian church at Frenchtown, N. J., of which he > is a > trustee. He has always been an active, enterprising business man, and > enjoys the > respect of his neighbors. > > > Visit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > Visit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************Get the Moviefone Toolbar. Showtimes, theaters, movie news & more!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212774565x1200812037/aol?redir=htt p://toolbar.aol.com/moviefone/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000001)

Great...what happened to Carrie, though...she may have left at age three In a message dated 11/14/2008 9:59:58 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Yes, this is Jonathan's dau. She is in the 1850 census with him. Dot ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marilyn LeVeque" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 10:27 PM Subject: [NJHUNTER] Rachel Pickel,dtr of Johanthan of Hunterdon m. Jordan H. Stover/Elizabeth Pickelm. Conrad Hockenberry > Hello to all, > > There is also an Elizabeth Pickel who according NJDARM database married > Conrad Hockenberry 16 May 1852 in Lebanon, Hunterdon County, NJ. > > Dot, if you go to google books and type in "Johnathan Pickel of Hunterdon > County, New Jersey" you will find many entries, some with only "snippet" > views, others in full PDF format to download. Here is one of the Jonathan > Pickel's daughters, I assume. > > History of Bucks County, Pennsylvania edited by J. H. Battle > JORDAN H. STOVER, farmer, P. O. Erwinna, is the youngest son of Henry S. > Stover, and was born May 1, 1833, in the old homestead, which has been his > lite- > long home. He learned the miller's trade in his father's mill, and > carried on that > business until 1886, at the same time cultivating a small farm attached to > the homestead. > He was educated in Freeland seminary, at Perkiomen, Montgomery county. > In 1869 he bought an interest in his father's mill. He remodelled and > partially rebuilt > the old home, making it an elegant and commodious residence. June 17, > 1858, > he married Rachel, daughter of Jonathan Pickel, of Hunterdon county, N. J. > She > was born June 30, 1838. They have three children : Hannah P., the wife of > J. C. > Lambrite, of Doylestown ; Edward C., married to Elizabeth Coane, living in > Trenton, N. J. ; and Lizzie P., who lives with her parents. Mr. and Mrs. > Stover > are members of the Presbyterian church at Frenchtown, N. J., of which he > is a > trustee. He has always been an active, enterprising business man, and > enjoys the > respect of his neighbors. > > > Visit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > Visit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************Get the Moviefone Toolbar. Showtimes, theaters, movie news & more!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212774565x1200812037/aol?redir=htt p://toolbar.aol.com/moviefone/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000001)

Yes...but began to think...still think Jonathan and Hannah may not have been her parents. Now that I have where the sister was...I think somehow, they both moved in with the other family...but maybe they just had different PIckel parents, but Carrie was my greatgrandmother and it says that Jonathan and Hanna Pickel were her parents. Says she moved to MI at age three. In a message dated 11/14/2008 9:55:35 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Hello to all, There is also an Elizabeth Pickel who according NJDARM database married Conrad Hockenberry 16 May 1852 in Lebanon, Hunterdon County, NJ. Dot, if you go to google books and type in "Johnathan Pickel of Hunterdon County, New Jersey" you will find many entries, some with only "snippet" views, others in full PDF format to download. Here is one of the Jonathan Pickel's daughters, I assume. History of Bucks County, Pennsylvania edited by J. H. Battle JORDAN H. STOVER, farmer, P. O. Erwinna, is the youngest son of Henry S. Stover, and was born May 1, 1833, in the old homestead, which has been his lite- long home. He learned the miller's trade in his father's mill, and carried on that business until 1886, at the same time cultivating a small farm attached to the homestead. He was educated in Freeland seminary, at Perkiomen, Montgomery county. In 1869 he bought an interest in his father's mill. He remodelled and partially rebuilt the old home, making it an elegant and commodious residence. June 17, 1858, he married Rachel, daughter of Jonathan Pickel, of Hunterdon county, N. J. She was born June 30, 1838. They have three children : Hannah P., the wife of J. C. Lambrite, of Doylestown ; Edward C., married to Elizabeth Coane, living in Trenton, N. J. ; and Lizzie P., who lives with her parents. Mr. and Mrs. Stover are members of the Presbyterian church at Frenchtown, N. J., of which he is a trustee. He has always been an active, enterprising business man, and enjoys the respect of his neighbors. Visit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************Get the Moviefone Toolbar. Showtimes, theaters, movie news & more!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212774565x1200812037/aol?redir=htt p://toolbar.aol.com/moviefone/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000001)

Yes, this is Jonathan's dau. She is in the 1850 census with him. Dot ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marilyn LeVeque" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 10:27 PM Subject: [NJHUNTER] Rachel Pickel,dtr of Johanthan of Hunterdon m. Jordan H. Stover/Elizabeth Pickelm. Conrad Hockenberry > Hello to all, > > There is also an Elizabeth Pickel who according NJDARM database married > Conrad Hockenberry 16 May 1852 in Lebanon, Hunterdon County, NJ. > > Dot, if you go to google books and type in "Johnathan Pickel of Hunterdon > County, New Jersey" you will find many entries, some with only "snippet" > views, others in full PDF format to download. Here is one of the Jonathan > Pickel's daughters, I assume. > > History of Bucks County, Pennsylvania edited by J. H. Battle > JORDAN H. STOVER, farmer, P. O. Erwinna, is the youngest son of Henry S. > Stover, and was born May 1, 1833, in the old homestead, which has been his > lite- > long home. He learned the miller's trade in his father's mill, and > carried on that > business until 1886, at the same time cultivating a small farm attached to > the homestead. > He was educated in Freeland seminary, at Perkiomen, Montgomery county. > In 1869 he bought an interest in his father's mill. He remodelled and > partially rebuilt > the old home, making it an elegant and commodious residence. June 17, > 1858, > he married Rachel, daughter of Jonathan Pickel, of Hunterdon county, N. J. > She > was born June 30, 1838. They have three children : Hannah P., the wife of > J. C. > Lambrite, of Doylestown ; Edward C., married to Elizabeth Coane, living in > Trenton, N. J. ; and Lizzie P., who lives with her parents. Mr. and Mrs. > Stover > are members of the Presbyterian church at Frenchtown, N. J., of which he > is a > trustee. He has always been an active, enterprising business man, and > enjoys the > respect of his neighbors. > > > Visit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Too early. I have when "my" Eliz. was married...in Macomb county, MI...but thanks so much In a message dated 11/14/2008 9:55:35 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Hello to all, There is also an Elizabeth Pickel who according NJDARM database married Conrad Hockenberry 16 May 1852 in Lebanon, Hunterdon County, NJ. Dot, if you go to google books and type in "Johnathan Pickel of Hunterdon County, New Jersey" you will find many entries, some with only "snippet" views, others in full PDF format to download. Here is one of the Jonathan Pickel's daughters, I assume. History of Bucks County, Pennsylvania edited by J. H. Battle JORDAN H. STOVER, farmer, P. O. Erwinna, is the youngest son of Henry S. Stover, and was born May 1, 1833, in the old homestead, which has been his lite- long home. He learned the miller's trade in his father's mill, and carried on that business until 1886, at the same time cultivating a small farm attached to the homestead. He was educated in Freeland seminary, at Perkiomen, Montgomery county. In 1869 he bought an interest in his father's mill. He remodelled and partially rebuilt the old home, making it an elegant and commodious residence. June 17, 1858, he married Rachel, daughter of Jonathan Pickel, of Hunterdon county, N. J. She was born June 30, 1838. They have three children : Hannah P., the wife of J. C. Lambrite, of Doylestown ; Edward C., married to Elizabeth Coane, living in Trenton, N. J. ; and Lizzie P., who lives with her parents. Mr. and Mrs. Stover are members of the Presbyterian church at Frenchtown, N. J., of which he is a trustee. He has always been an active, enterprising business man, and enjoys the respect of his neighbors. Visit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************Get the Moviefone Toolbar. Showtimes, theaters, movie news & more!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212774565x1200812037/aol?redir=htt p://toolbar.aol.com/moviefone/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000001)

In a message dated 11/14/2008 9:15:14 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: I'm still checking...found the census that had Eliz. in MI in 1850 In a message dated 11/14/2008 9:11:54 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Good thinking...maybe they were sisters... In a message dated 11/14/2008 9:10:31 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Hello, Just a thought, other later siblings could be named after their deceased sibling or are these 2 Elizabeth Pickel girls COUSINS? In my family a given name did not necessarily die with the first child who bore that name, it was carried forward to next living child. Marilyn in CA Marilyn in CA ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 5:38 PM Subject: Re: [NJHUNTER] Carrie/Caroline Pickel 1833 > > > > > Elizabeth Pickel died Feb 14, 1827, age 3 weeks and was buried at St > Thomas Episcopal in Alexandria > > Caroline Lennard died Se[p 26, 1851 at age 2 years 7 months. > > Fred Lathrop > ----- Original Message ----- > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 8:10:09 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern > Subject: Re: [NJHUNTER] Carrie/Caroline Pickel 1833 > > I'll let you know. Dot and I are on line together now...back and forth. > She doesn't see it like i do. I think We've got her cornered > > > In a message dated 11/14/2008 8:09:08 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > [email protected] writes: > > Hi Mike, > Good clue. Caroline and Truman's marriage was witnessed by John and > Elizabeth Man. Have to find that census and see. Thanks for the reply. I > will be sure to get back to you if/when I find Carrie's parents. > Dot > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "mike" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 7:27 PM > Subject: Re: [NJHUNTER] Carrie/Caroline Pickel 1833 > > >> Dot, >> >> There is a film copy of at least some of the records available through >> the >> Family History Library: >> Church records of the German Reformed Church, of Alexandria Township, >> Hunterdon County, New Jersey FHL US/CAN Film 441466 Item 2 >> >> Ancenstry.com has the records from 1763 through 1802. >> >> You may have noticed in the 1850 census of Washington, Macomb, MI >> Elizabeth Pickle, age 25, b NJ living with the Calkins family. >> She married John Mann and died in 1897. >> see Past and Present of Macomb County, Michigan By Robert F. Eldredge, >> page 406 >> search Google books for "Elizabeth Pickle" Macomb >> >> Bruce and Washington townwhips border each other. I am guessing, but >> Elizabeth may be a sister of Caroline. >> >> I would be interested to hear if you are able to confirm Caroline's >> parents. >> >> Mike Morrissey >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Dotbfl" <[email protected]> >> To: "NJHUNTER mail list" <[email protected]> >> Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 4:18 PM >> Subject: [NJHUNTER] Carrie/Caroline Pickel 1833 >> >> >>>I am trying to find the source for the date of birth of Carrie/Caroline >>>Pickel on 2 April 1833 in Alexandria, Hunterdon Co, NJ. She was in >>>Michigan in 1850 and m Truman Curtis 1859. She died 1910. >>> Need to connect her to parents who I believe are Jonathan Pickel and >>> wife >>> Hannah Person or Besson. They were married 1821 in Alexandria German >>> Reformed Church but it was not in operation when Carrie/Caroline was >>> born. Does anyone know where I could find the records from this church? >>> Any help greatly appreciated. >>> Dot >>> >>> Visit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: >>> http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> Visit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > Visit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and > the body of the message > > > **************Get the Moviefone Toolbar. 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I'm still checking...found the census that had Eliz. in MI in 1850 In a message dated 11/14/2008 9:11:54 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Good thinking...maybe they were sisters... In a message dated 11/14/2008 9:10:31 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Hello, Just a thought, other later siblings could be named after their deceased sibling or are these 2 Elizabeth Pickel girls COUSINS? In my family a given name did not necessarily die with the first child who bore that name, it was carried forward to next living child. Marilyn in CA Marilyn in CA ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 5:38 PM Subject: Re: [NJHUNTER] Carrie/Caroline Pickel 1833 > > > > > Elizabeth Pickel died Feb 14, 1827, age 3 weeks and was buried at St > Thomas Episcopal in Alexandria > > Caroline Lennard died Se[p 26, 1851 at age 2 years 7 months. > > Fred Lathrop > ----- Original Message ----- > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 8:10:09 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern > Subject: Re: [NJHUNTER] Carrie/Caroline Pickel 1833 > > I'll let you know. Dot and I are on line together now...back and forth. > She doesn't see it like i do. I think We've got her cornered > > > In a message dated 11/14/2008 8:09:08 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > [email protected] writes: > > Hi Mike, > Good clue. Caroline and Truman's marriage was witnessed by John and > Elizabeth Man. Have to find that census and see. Thanks for the reply. I > will be sure to get back to you if/when I find Carrie's parents. > Dot > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "mike" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 7:27 PM > Subject: Re: [NJHUNTER] Carrie/Caroline Pickel 1833 > > >> Dot, >> >> There is a film copy of at least some of the records available through >> the >> Family History Library: >> Church records of the German Reformed Church, of Alexandria Township, >> Hunterdon County, New Jersey FHL US/CAN Film 441466 Item 2 >> >> Ancenstry.com has the records from 1763 through 1802. >> >> You may have noticed in the 1850 census of Washington, Macomb, MI >> Elizabeth Pickle, age 25, b NJ living with the Calkins family. >> She married John Mann and died in 1897. >> see Past and Present of Macomb County, Michigan By Robert F. Eldredge, >> page 406 >> search Google books for "Elizabeth Pickle" Macomb >> >> Bruce and Washington townwhips border each other. I am guessing, but >> Elizabeth may be a sister of Caroline. >> >> I would be interested to hear if you are able to confirm Caroline's >> parents. >> >> Mike Morrissey >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Dotbfl" <[email protected]> >> To: "NJHUNTER mail list" <[email protected]> >> Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 4:18 PM >> Subject: [NJHUNTER] Carrie/Caroline Pickel 1833 >> >> >>>I am trying to find the source for the date of birth of Carrie/Caroline >>>Pickel on 2 April 1833 in Alexandria, Hunterdon Co, NJ. She was in >>>Michigan in 1850 and m Truman Curtis 1859. She died 1910. >>> Need to connect her to parents who I believe are Jonathan Pickel and >>> wife >>> Hannah Person or Besson. They were married 1821 in Alexandria German >>> Reformed Church but it was not in operation when Carrie/Caroline was >>> born. Does anyone know where I could find the records from this church? >>> Any help greatly appreciated. >>> Dot >>> >>> Visit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: >>> http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> Visit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > Visit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and > the body of the message > > > **************Get the Moviefone Toolbar. 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Good thinking...maybe they were sisters... In a message dated 11/14/2008 9:10:31 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Hello, Just a thought, other later siblings could be named after their deceased sibling or are these 2 Elizabeth Pickel girls COUSINS? In my family a given name did not necessarily die with the first child who bore that name, it was carried forward to next living child. Marilyn in CA Marilyn in CA ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 5:38 PM Subject: Re: [NJHUNTER] Carrie/Caroline Pickel 1833 > > > > > Elizabeth Pickel died Feb 14, 1827, age 3 weeks and was buried at St > Thomas Episcopal in Alexandria > > Caroline Lennard died Se[p 26, 1851 at age 2 years 7 months. > > Fred Lathrop > ----- Original Message ----- > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 8:10:09 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern > Subject: Re: [NJHUNTER] Carrie/Caroline Pickel 1833 > > I'll let you know. Dot and I are on line together now...back and forth. > She doesn't see it like i do. I think We've got her cornered > > > In a message dated 11/14/2008 8:09:08 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > [email protected] writes: > > Hi Mike, > Good clue. Caroline and Truman's marriage was witnessed by John and > Elizabeth Man. Have to find that census and see. Thanks for the reply. I > will be sure to get back to you if/when I find Carrie's parents. > Dot > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "mike" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 7:27 PM > Subject: Re: [NJHUNTER] Carrie/Caroline Pickel 1833 > > >> Dot, >> >> There is a film copy of at least some of the records available through >> the >> Family History Library: >> Church records of the German Reformed Church, of Alexandria Township, >> Hunterdon County, New Jersey FHL US/CAN Film 441466 Item 2 >> >> Ancenstry.com has the records from 1763 through 1802. >> >> You may have noticed in the 1850 census of Washington, Macomb, MI >> Elizabeth Pickle, age 25, b NJ living with the Calkins family. >> She married John Mann and died in 1897. >> see Past and Present of Macomb County, Michigan By Robert F. Eldredge, >> page 406 >> search Google books for "Elizabeth Pickle" Macomb >> >> Bruce and Washington townwhips border each other. I am guessing, but >> Elizabeth may be a sister of Caroline. >> >> I would be interested to hear if you are able to confirm Caroline's >> parents. >> >> Mike Morrissey >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Dotbfl" <[email protected]> >> To: "NJHUNTER mail list" <[email protected]> >> Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 4:18 PM >> Subject: [NJHUNTER] Carrie/Caroline Pickel 1833 >> >> >>>I am trying to find the source for the date of birth of Carrie/Caroline >>>Pickel on 2 April 1833 in Alexandria, Hunterdon Co, NJ. She was in >>>Michigan in 1850 and m Truman Curtis 1859. She died 1910. >>> Need to connect her to parents who I believe are Jonathan Pickel and >>> wife >>> Hannah Person or Besson. They were married 1821 in Alexandria German >>> Reformed Church but it was not in operation when Carrie/Caroline was >>> born. Does anyone know where I could find the records from this church? >>> Any help greatly appreciated. >>> Dot >>> >>> Visit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: >>> http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> Visit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > Visit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and > the body of the message > > > **************Get the Moviefone Toolbar. 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I'll let you know. Dot and I are on line together now...back and forth. She doesn't see it like i do. I think We've got her cornered In a message dated 11/14/2008 8:09:08 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Hi Mike, Good clue. Caroline and Truman's marriage was witnessed by John and Elizabeth Man. Have to find that census and see. Thanks for the reply. I will be sure to get back to you if/when I find Carrie's parents. Dot ----- Original Message ----- From: "mike" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 7:27 PM Subject: Re: [NJHUNTER] Carrie/Caroline Pickel 1833 > Dot, > > There is a film copy of at least some of the records available through the > Family History Library: > Church records of the German Reformed Church, of Alexandria Township, > Hunterdon County, New Jersey FHL US/CAN Film 441466 Item 2 > > Ancenstry.com has the records from 1763 through 1802. > > You may have noticed in the 1850 census of Washington, Macomb, MI > Elizabeth Pickle, age 25, b NJ living with the Calkins family. > She married John Mann and died in 1897. > see Past and Present of Macomb County, Michigan By Robert F. Eldredge, > page 406 > search Google books for "Elizabeth Pickle" Macomb > > Bruce and Washington townwhips border each other. I am guessing, but > Elizabeth may be a sister of Caroline. > > I would be interested to hear if you are able to confirm Caroline's > parents. > > Mike Morrissey > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dotbfl" <[email protected]> > To: "NJHUNTER mail list" <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 4:18 PM > Subject: [NJHUNTER] Carrie/Caroline Pickel 1833 > > >>I am trying to find the source for the date of birth of Carrie/Caroline >>Pickel on 2 April 1833 in Alexandria, Hunterdon Co, NJ. She was in >>Michigan in 1850 and m Truman Curtis 1859. She died 1910. >> Need to connect her to parents who I believe are Jonathan Pickel and wife >> Hannah Person or Besson. They were married 1821 in Alexandria German >> Reformed Church but it was not in operation when Carrie/Caroline was >> born. Does anyone know where I could find the records from this church? >> Any help greatly appreciated. >> Dot >> >> Visit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > Visit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > Visit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************Get the Moviefone Toolbar. Showtimes, theaters, movie news & more!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212774565x1200812037/aol?redir=htt p://toolbar.aol.com/moviefone/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000001)

Hi Mike, Good clue. Caroline and Truman's marriage was witnessed by John and Elizabeth Man. Have to find that census and see. Thanks for the reply. I will be sure to get back to you if/when I find Carrie's parents. Dot ----- Original Message ----- From: "mike" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 7:27 PM Subject: Re: [NJHUNTER] Carrie/Caroline Pickel 1833 > Dot, > > There is a film copy of at least some of the records available through the > Family History Library: > Church records of the German Reformed Church, of Alexandria Township, > Hunterdon County, New Jersey FHL US/CAN Film 441466 Item 2 > > Ancenstry.com has the records from 1763 through 1802. > > You may have noticed in the 1850 census of Washington, Macomb, MI > Elizabeth Pickle, age 25, b NJ living with the Calkins family. > She married John Mann and died in 1897. > see Past and Present of Macomb County, Michigan By Robert F. Eldredge, > page 406 > search Google books for "Elizabeth Pickle" Macomb > > Bruce and Washington townwhips border each other. I am guessing, but > Elizabeth may be a sister of Caroline. > > I would be interested to hear if you are able to confirm Caroline's > parents. > > Mike Morrissey > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dotbfl" <[email protected]> > To: "NJHUNTER mail list" <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 4:18 PM > Subject: [NJHUNTER] Carrie/Caroline Pickel 1833 > > >>I am trying to find the source for the date of birth of Carrie/Caroline >>Pickel on 2 April 1833 in Alexandria, Hunterdon Co, NJ. She was in >>Michigan in 1850 and m Truman Curtis 1859. She died 1910. >> Need to connect her to parents who I believe are Jonathan Pickel and wife >> Hannah Person or Besson. They were married 1821 in Alexandria German >> Reformed Church but it was not in operation when Carrie/Caroline was >> born. Does anyone know where I could find the records from this church? >> Any help greatly appreciated. >> Dot >> >> Visit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > Visit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Since there is so much wisdom in the room tonight, I will ask for help with my most pressing challenge. Jonathan Hunter Rake and Adaline Godown were married 20 June 1826 in Hunterdon Co., NJ I have determined they had 4 children (at least): Jacob Fox Rake 9 Feb 1826 Sarah Adaline Rake 1828 Jonathan Hunter Rake 18 Sep 1830 Susan E. Rake 4 Apr 1841 I have not determined who Adaline's parents are. HOWEVER, a couple days ago, I found something on the internet at the Godown site that caught my eye: Marriage Records, Hunterdon County New Jersey (1795-1875). According to the book Adeline Godown and Jonathan Rake were married June 26,1826, 2-295 (Wilson,J.P.). J.P. meaning justice of the peace. The numbers following the date are the volume and page number of the original record. This may be a long shot but there is only one marriage listed early enough to be Adeline's parents. Godown,Thomas and Eve Fox, January 4,1801 1-43 (Lambert,Esq.). I thought it was a long shot "guess" until I remembered Jacob's middle name. If anyone has ideas or information on this, please let me know. I'd like to think I've finally made some progress on this one! THANK YOU! Kim Golding Tacoma [email protected] (PS - I originally sent this the the list's request email addy. whoops!)

Oops, JONATHAN! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marilyn LeVeque" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 7:27 PM Subject: [NJHUNTER] Rachel Pickel,dtr of Jonathan of Hunterdon m. Jordan H. Stover/Elizabeth Pickelm. Conrad Hockenberry > Hello to all, > > There is also an Elizabeth Pickel who according NJDARM database married > Conrad Hockenberry 16 May 1852 in Lebanon, Hunterdon County, NJ. > > Dot, if you go to google books and type in "Johnathan Pickel of Hunterdon > County, New Jersey" you will find many entries, some with only "snippet" > views, others in full PDF format to download. Here is one of the Jonathan > Pickel's daughters, I assume. > > History of Bucks County, Pennsylvania edited by J. H. Battle > JORDAN H. STOVER, farmer, P. O. Erwinna, is the youngest son of Henry S. > Stover, and was born May 1, 1833, in the old homestead, which has been his > lite- > long home. He learned the miller's trade in his father's mill, and > carried on that > business until 1886, at the same time cultivating a small farm attached to > the homestead. > He was educated in Freeland seminary, at Perkiomen, Montgomery county. > In 1869 he bought an interest in his father's mill. He remodelled and > partially rebuilt > the old home, making it an elegant and commodious residence. June 17, > 1858, > he married Rachel, daughter of Jonathan Pickel, of Hunterdon county, N. J. > She > was born June 30, 1838. They have three children : Hannah P., the wife of > J. C. > Lambrite, of Doylestown ; Edward C., married to Elizabeth Coane, living in > Trenton, N. J. ; and Lizzie P., who lives with her parents. Mr. and Mrs. > Stover > are members of the Presbyterian church at Frenchtown, N. J., of which he > is a > trustee. He has always been an active, enterprising business man, and > enjoys the > respect of his neighbors. > > > Visit the Hunterdon County GenWeb page at: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhunter > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >