this is to Beverly Kirby-McDonough...............I am researching the McDonough Family from Scranton, Pa. by way of Ireland and Wales...Many family members moved to Essex and Husdon counties and even NY..any link? Diana Virginia ----- Original Message ----- From: njhudson-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:njhudson-request@rootsweb.com> To: njhudson@rootsweb.com<mailto:njhudson@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2008 4:51 PM Subject: NJHUDSON Digest, Vol 3, Issue 117 Today's Topics: 1. Re: NJ Death Certificates (Lauren J. Eastwood) 2. Re: NJ Death Certificates (Bruce Eckert) 3. Re: NJ Death Certificates (AnnWicki@aol.com<mailto:AnnWicki@aol.com>) 4. Re: NJ Death Certificates (Beverly G. Kirby-McDonough) 5. Re: NJ Death Certificates (Marge Spille) 6. Re: NJ Death Certificates (Tom) 7. Fwd: Re: Hudson County List (Marge Spille) 8. Re: Hudson County List (Marge Spille) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 05:48:11 -0400 From: "Lauren J. Eastwood" <ljeastwo@ix.netcom.com<mailto:ljeastwo@ix.netcom.com>> Subject: Re: [NJHUDSON] NJ Death Certificates To: <njhudson@rootsweb.com<mailto:njhudson@rootsweb.com>> Message-ID: <003a01c8e4cd$90119880$6401a8c0@Lauren<mailto:003a01c8e4cd$90119880$6401a8c0@Lauren>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" My father died in 2006. His death certificate lists the specific cause of death, the underlying medical condition and another condition that contributed significantly to his death. The funeral director obtained the death certificate from the borough in which the funeral home is located, not the borough in which my father died. -----Original Message----- "Beverly G. Kirby-McDonough" <bmcdon@ptd.net<mailto:bmcdon@ptd.net>> wrote: "I think in contemporary NJ certificates, the cause of death is no longer filled out on the form at all." ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 05:36:30 -0700 From: "Bruce Eckert" <pbwizard710@firehousemail.com<mailto:pbwizard710@firehousemail.com>> Subject: Re: [NJHUDSON] NJ Death Certificates To: <njhudson@rootsweb.com<mailto:njhudson@rootsweb.com>> Message-ID: <20080713053630.F7007C5@resin11.mta.everyone.net<mailto:20080713053630.F7007C5@resin11.mta.everyone.net>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" All this "secrecy" on true causes of death IS due to political correctness....The state of NJ does not want to "hurt anyone" dead or alive..And yes, this is all related to the HIV/AIDS/HEP B & HEP C "Cone of Silence"..all bulls***.. My great grandpa died in 1923;industrial accident at Standard Oil in Bayonne. HIS death Certificate has NO cause of death, tho the accident made headlines in the Bayonne Times... I do have a copy of the original certificate tho...cost me $30..a fellow (he was on AOL) was able to get me one from Trenton..Can't remeber his name, but he has a web site/email address...maybe it's time to do a lookup.. PC people should be drowned at birth!! Bruce Eckert --- cjlisa@worldnet.att.net<mailto:cjlisa@worldnet.att.net> wrote: From: "CJ Lisa" <cjlisa@worldnet.att.net<mailto:cjlisa@worldnet.att.net>> To: <njhudson@rootsweb.com<mailto:njhudson@rootsweb.com>> Subject: Re: [NJHUDSON] NJ Death Certificates Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 17:17:07 -0400 This is interesting........... and here are my experiences and insight. My mother died in 1999 and the funeral director got the death certificate for me in as many copies as I would need for transfering financial documents and accounts. About 3 years ago, I needed an additional copy (which the funeral director also acquired from the town of her death, but this copy eliminated most of the information that was on the first doc. and was more like an official birth or death cert. I don't know why that is. With regard to an official marriage cert that I got direct from the town (maybe 10 years ago) they had the original books and a lot more information was on the books then what they print out for you -- I'm assuming that this is the case with all official documents. As far as the marriage information that I acquired which was on the books: town/country of emigration, parents names and official who performed the wedding. Although I have to admit that the information was not perfect -- spelling, etc. -- but I guess with language barriers it was difficult to understand and done phonetically just like a lot of the ship's records. I've also gone to the cemeteries and they sometimes have the cause of death. Claire ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jackie " <celticsearch@comcast.net<mailto:celticsearch@comcast.net>> To: <njhudson@rootsweb.com<mailto:njhudson@rootsweb.com>> Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2008 2:11 PM Subject: Re: [NJHUDSON] NJ Death Certificates I haven't seen cause of death listed in quite a while. My mother in law in 1999 had a place for cause of death and "natural causes" was listed. My son in law in 2006 had cancer and died as a result of a stroke but the DC again stated "natural causes". -----Original Message----- From: njhudson-bounces@rootsweb.com<mailto:njhudson-bounces@rootsweb.com> [mailto:njhudson-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Beverly G. Kirby-McDonough Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2008 12:31 PM To: njhudson@rootsweb.com<mailto:njhudson@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [NJHUDSON] NJ Death Certificates Karen, If you can get an obituary, it may or may not reveal this information. However, the funeral director and the cemetery office should have the cause of death recorded. I have seen courthouse records for wills and probate with a death certificate attached, whereby cause of death is not crossed out. I think in contemporary NJ certificates, the cause of death is no longer filled out on the form at all. Good luck, Beverly G. Kirby-McDonough ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karen Seiferth" <kis0721@comcast.net<mailto:kis0721@comcast.net>> To: <njhudson@rootsweb.com<mailto:njhudson@rootsweb.com>> Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2008 11:51 AM Subject: [NJHUDSON] NJ Death Certificates > Good Morning! > Although I have copies of my parents' death certs from Trenton, they do > not list the official cause of death. > What do I have to do to get copies with the cause of death listed? I had > a little sister who died at 3 months old > and I would like to know her cause of death also. > Please help. > Regards, > Karen Isley Seiferth > Ft Myers, FL > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NJHUDSON-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:NJHUDSON-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NJHUDSON-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:NJHUDSON-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NJHUDSON-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:NJHUDSON-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NJHUDSON-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:NJHUDSON-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _____________________________________________________________ ********************* THE WEB'S SOURCE FOR FIRE SERVICE TRAINING Drill Downloads, Live Events, Article Features & More http://www.firehouse.com/training/<http://www.firehouse.com/training/> GET THE BEST FIREFIGHTING CONTENT & FEATURES Join Firehouse.com's MembersZone Today http://cms.firehouse.com/launch/<http://cms.firehouse.com/launch/> ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 09:32:21 EDT From: AnnWicki@aol.com<mailto:AnnWicki@aol.com> Subject: Re: [NJHUDSON] NJ Death Certificates To: pbwizard710@firehousemail.com<mailto:pbwizard710@firehousemail.com>, njhudson@rootsweb.com<mailto:njhudson@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <d4a.33b0cce1.35ab5de5@aol.com<mailto:d4a.33b0cce1.35ab5de5@aol.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" I finally found the link I think you are referring to. I remembered the first name: Geoffrey. Hope this helps. _http://njresearch.com/_ (http://njresearch.com/<http://njresearch.com/>) _NJ Research - Home_ (http://njresearch.com/<http://njresearch.com/>) Ann in Farmingdale, NJ In a message dated 7/13/2008 8:36:57 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, pbwizard710@firehousemail.com<mailto:pbwizard710@firehousemail.com> writes: All this "secrecy" on true causes of death IS due to political correctness....The state of NJ does not want to "hurt anyone" dead or alive..And yes, this is all related to the HIV/AIDS/HEP B & HEP C "Cone of Silence"..all bulls***.. My great grandpa died in 1923;industrial accident at Standard Oil in Bayonne. HIS death Certificate has NO cause of death, tho the accident made headlines in the Bayonne Times... I do have a copy of the original certificate tho...cost me $30..a fellow (he was on AOL) was able to get me one from Trenton..Can't remeber his name, but he has a web site/email address...maybe it's time to do a lookup.. PC people should be drowned at birth!! Bruce Eckert --- cjlisa@worldnet.att.net<mailto:cjlisa@worldnet.att.net> wrote: From: "CJ Lisa" <cjlisa@worldnet.att.net<mailto:cjlisa@worldnet.att.net>> To: <njhudson@rootsweb.com<mailto:njhudson@rootsweb.com>> Subject: Re: [NJHUDSON] NJ Death Certificates Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 17:17:07 -0400 This is interesting........... and here are my experiences and insight. My mother died in 1999 and the funeral director got the death certificate for me in as many copies as I would need for transfering financial documents and accounts. About 3 years ago, I needed an additional copy (which the funeral director also acquired from the town of her death, but this copy eliminated most of the information that was on the first doc. and was more like an official birth or death cert. I don't know why that is. With regard to an official marriage cert that I got direct from the town (maybe 10 years ago) they had the original books and a lot more information was on the books then what they print out for you -- I'm assuming that this is the case with all official documents. As far as the marriage information that I acquired which was on the books: town/country of emigration, parents names and official who performed the wedding. Although I have to admit that the information was not perfect -- spelling, etc. -- but I guess with language barriers it was difficult to understand and done phonetically just like a lot of the ship's records. I've also gone to the cemeteries and they sometimes have the cause of death. Claire ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jackie " <celticsearch@comcast.net<mailto:celticsearch@comcast.net>> To: <njhudson@rootsweb.com<mailto:njhudson@rootsweb.com>> Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2008 2:11 PM Subject: Re: [NJHUDSON] NJ Death Certificates I haven't seen cause of death listed in quite a while. My mother in law in 1999 had a place for cause of death and "natural causes" was listed. My son in law in 2006 had cancer and died as a result of a stroke but the DC again stated "natural causes". -----Original Message----- From: njhudson-bounces@rootsweb.com<mailto:njhudson-bounces@rootsweb.com> [mailto:njhudson-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Beverly G. Kirby-McDonough Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2008 12:31 PM To: njhudson@rootsweb.com<mailto:njhudson@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [NJHUDSON] NJ Death Certificates Karen, If you can get an obituary, it may or may not reveal this information. However, the funeral director and the cemetery office should have the cause of death recorded. I have seen courthouse records for wills and probate with a death certificate attached, whereby cause of death is not crossed out. I think in contemporary NJ certificates, the cause of death is no longer filled out on the form at all. Good luck, Beverly G. Kirby-McDonough ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karen Seiferth" <kis0721@comcast.net<mailto:kis0721@comcast.net>> To: <njhudson@rootsweb.com<mailto:njhudson@rootsweb.com>> Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2008 11:51 AM Subject: [NJHUDSON] NJ Death Certificates > Good Morning! > Although I have copies of my parents' death certs from Trenton, they do > not list the official cause of death. > What do I have to do to get copies with the cause of death listed? I had > a little sister who died at 3 months old > and I would like to know her cause of death also. > Please help. > Regards, > Karen Isley Seiferth > Ft Myers, FL > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NJHUDSON-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:NJHUDSON-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NJHUDSON-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:NJHUDSON-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NJHUDSON-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:NJHUDSON-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NJHUDSON-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:NJHUDSON-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _____________________________________________________________ ********************* THE WEB'S SOURCE FOR FIRE SERVICE TRAINING Drill Downloads, Live Events, Article Features & More http://www.firehouse.com/training/<http://www.firehouse.com/training/> GET THE BEST FIREFIGHTING CONTENT & FEATURES Join Firehouse.com's MembersZone Today http://cms.firehouse.com/launch/<http://cms.firehouse.com/launch/> ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NJHUDSON-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:NJHUDSON-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 10:27:33 -0400 From: "Beverly G. Kirby-McDonough" <bmcdon@ptd.net<mailto:bmcdon@ptd.net>> Subject: Re: [NJHUDSON] NJ Death Certificates To: "CJ Lisa" <cjlisa@att.net<mailto:cjlisa@att.net>>, <njhudson@rootsweb.com<mailto:njhudson@rootsweb.com>> Message-ID: <001a01c8e4f4$972e3480$6700a8c0@D799PG81<mailto:001a01c8e4f4$972e3480$6700a8c0@D799PG81>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original FYI - In terms of NJ vital records, there is the "short form" and the "long form". The short form is usually used for official purposes, like proof of identity at the DMV. The long form is more useful for the purpose of family record-keeping and genealogy. When writing to Trenton, you should always ask for the "long form". Beverly G. Kirby-McDonough ----- Original Message ----- From: "CJ Lisa" <cjlisa@worldnet.att.net<mailto:cjlisa@worldnet.att.net>> To: <njhudson@rootsweb.com<mailto:njhudson@rootsweb.com>> Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2008 5:17 PM Subject: Re: [NJHUDSON] NJ Death Certificates > This is interesting........... and here are my experiences and insight. > > My mother died in 1999 and the funeral director got the death certificate > for me in as many copies as I would need for transfering financial > documents > and accounts. About 3 years ago, I needed an additional copy (which the > funeral director also acquired from the town of her death, but this copy > eliminated most of the information that was on the first doc. and was more > like an official birth or death cert. I don't know why that is. With > regard to an official marriage cert that I got direct from the town (maybe > 10 years ago) they had the original books and a lot more information was > on > the books then what they print out for you -- I'm assuming that this is > the > case with all official documents. As far as the marriage information > that > I acquired which was on the books: town/country of emigration, parents > names and official who performed the wedding. Although I have to admit > that the information was not perfect -- spelling, etc. -- but I guess > with > language barriers it was difficult to understand and done phonetically > just > like a lot of the ship's records. > I've also gone to the cemeteries and they sometimes have the cause of > death. > Claire > ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 11:50:57 -0400 From: spille2@webtv.net<mailto:spille2@webtv.net> (Marge Spille) Subject: Re: [NJHUDSON] NJ Death Certificates To: njhudson@rootsweb.com<mailto:njhudson@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <BAY124-DAV6AB904ADC80C1375C710EE4920@phx.gbl<mailto:BAY124-DAV6AB904ADC80C1375C710EE4920@phx.gbl>> Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII If you need any records from Trenton, I recommend Ann Boldt. Ann lives in Trenton and goes to the NJ Archives a few times a week. Her charge is 5.00 a record, but only after she finds it. She makes a great copy to send to you. Birth, marriage, death, Wills and census. AHBoldt@aol.com<mailto:AHBoldt@aol.com> Marge ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 10:57:05 -0500 From: "Tom" <texastee10@att.net<mailto:texastee10@att.net>> Subject: Re: [NJHUDSON] NJ Death Certificates To: <njhudson@rootsweb.com<mailto:njhudson@rootsweb.com>> Message-ID: <925AACB6F5DC42168F675EF19A1318A1@TomPC<mailto:925AACB6F5DC42168F675EF19A1318A1@TomPC>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Ann has gotten me records as well, very quickly. Highly recommended. Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marge Spille" <spille2@webtv.net<mailto:spille2@webtv.net>> To: <njhudson@rootsweb.com<mailto:njhudson@rootsweb.com>> Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2008 10:50 AM Subject: Re: [NJHUDSON] NJ Death Certificates > If you need any records from Trenton, I recommend Ann Boldt. Ann > lives in Trenton and goes to the NJ Archives a few times a week. Her > charge is 5.00 a record, but only after she finds it. She makes a great > copy to send to you. Birth, marriage, death, Wills and census. > > AHBoldt@aol.com<mailto:AHBoldt@aol.com> > > Marge > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NJHUDSON-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:NJHUDSON-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 16:21:30 -0400 From: spille2@webtv.net<mailto:spille2@webtv.net> (Marge Spille) Subject: [NJHUDSON] Fwd: Re: Hudson County List To: NJHudson-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:NJHudson-L@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <BAY124-DAV11DA09DCD7939B0A61E920E4920@phx.gbl<mailto:BAY124-DAV11DA09DCD7939B0A61E920E4920@phx.gbl>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 16:51:38 -0400 From: spille2@webtv.net<mailto:spille2@webtv.net> (Marge Spille) Subject: Re: [NJHUDSON] Hudson County List To: NJHudson-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:NJHudson-L@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <BAY124-DAV9673A6E3D6EFB01B3775DE4920@phx.gbl<mailto:BAY124-DAV9673A6E3D6EFB01B3775DE4920@phx.gbl>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ------------------------------ To contact the NJHUDSON list administrator, send an email to NJHUDSON-admin@rootsweb.com<mailto:NJHUDSON-admin@rootsweb.com>. 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