Hi, The Annals of the Vreeland Family by Louis Beach Vreeland (note spelling) is not that widely held by libraries - only 14 show up in WorldCat, the principle multi-library catalog. You can see the record at http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/2650881&tab=holdings. Close to Hudson County it is only held by the NYPL at the research branch (the one with the lions), and at Rutgers in New Brunswick. The Jersey City library does not have a copy of this, though they do have a copy of the 1909 Vreeland book by Nicholas Garretson Vreeland. For general historical reference, the Winfield book is a great resource, especially for the colonial period but also for the early organization of the towns in the 19th century. It is a fairly compact work with great depth of research, engagingly written, and with interesting anecdotes included in the footnotes. For the genealogist, in addition to the historical background, there is 140 pages of detailed genealogies of colonial families, including 9 generations of the Vreelands from 1639 to 1872. The drawback to the book is a lack of a detailed name index, but one was created by Jerri Burket and published by Bergen Historic Books and Higginson Book Company in the mid 1990s. The Jersey City library has a copy of the index (as well as the book). Best, JWB -----Original Message----- From: njhudson-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:njhudson-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of njhudson-request@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2009 3:01 AM To: njhudson@rootsweb.com Subject: NJHUDSON Digest, Vol 4, Issue 1 Today's Topics: 1. Annuls of the Vreeland Family (bluerainbow@earthlink.net) 2. History of the County of Hudson, New Jersey, from Its Earliest Settlement to the Present Time by Charles H Winfield (bluerainbow@earthlink.net) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 17:29:36 -0500 From: "" <bluerainbow@earthlink.net> Subject: [NJHUDSON] Annuls of the Vreeland Family To: "Genealogy: Hudson County List Serve" <NJHUDSON-L@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <380-22009163222936390@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Does anyone have any idea where I can find a copy of The Annuls of the Vreeland Family by Louis Beach Vreeland, 1949? ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 17:33:06 -0500 From: "" <bluerainbow@earthlink.net> Subject: [NJHUDSON] History of the County of Hudson, New Jersey, from Its Earliest Settlement to the Present Time by Charles H Winfield To: "Genealogy: Hudson County List Serve" <NJHUDSON-L@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <380-2200916322336937@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Does anyone have a copy of History of the County of Hudson, New Jersey, from Its Earliest Settlement to the Present Time by Charles H Winfield? Is it worth purchasing? ------------------------------

He is talking about individual communication between list members not the list mailings. MIKE maurmike1@verizon.net -----Original Message----- From: njhudson-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:njhudson-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Karen Szabo Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 1:29 PM To: njhudson@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NJHUDSON] Laugh for the day (Tallygators) (Cynthia Phillips) & (Heirlines@aol.com) I'm confused, what spam are you talking about? What is this "short form"? Do you mean that anyone subscribed to the list has to fill out something to stay on it? Karen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Leonard" <rgleonard@earthlink.net> To: <njhudson@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 3:10 PM Subject: [NJHUDSON] Laugh for the day (Tallygators) (Cynthia Phillips) & (Heirlines@aol.com) > Dear List Members; As the List Admin I am bothered by the responses just > received. On any given day I receive to much spam to not ask for the List > Members help in stopping spam. The short form to eliminate you as a > possible > source of spam. Believe me the spam I see shouldn't be allowed on our > List. > It is horrible and just creates dissension from List Members if let to > continue through to us. Please understand this is a way to stop this > garbage. Thank you for understanding, Robert Leonard > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NJHUDSON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NJHUDSON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I'm confused, what spam are you talking about? What is this "short form"? Do you mean that anyone subscribed to the list has to fill out something to stay on it? Karen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Leonard" <rgleonard@earthlink.net> To: <njhudson@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 3:10 PM Subject: [NJHUDSON] Laugh for the day (Tallygators) (Cynthia Phillips) & (Heirlines@aol.com) > Dear List Members; As the List Admin I am bothered by the responses just > received. On any given day I receive to much spam to not ask for the List > Members help in stopping spam. The short form to eliminate you as a > possible > source of spam. Believe me the spam I see shouldn't be allowed on our > List. > It is horrible and just creates dissension from List Members if let to > continue through to us. Please understand this is a way to stop this > garbage. Thank you for understanding, Robert Leonard > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NJHUDSON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Regarding the 1930 police records, you should be able to make an formal request for them under the OPRA laws. There should be a form, usually submitted to the city administrator's office, and they still have the right to redact portions of personnel matters that might still apply, but not the information contained in the actual, formal police report. However, given the age of the records, they'd not have a leg to stand on if you made a formal legal request - they have to give you the information. I have never tried this tactic for genealogical research, but I have done this for informational purposes, and most locales are pretty compliant, since it's Federal and State law that they have to furnish information. Good luck! **************New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making headlines. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000026)

Sometimes you just get lucky. Some years ago I called the JCPD 5th precinct, to see if there were any records for my grand uncle Robert Hay. They connected me with the personel records dept. and A nice woman named Fannie took my info. About a week later I received copies of four documents. Two concerned his application for retirement, one was his application to the Firemen's and Policemen's Pension Fund, and the last was an index card, with his name, rank, badge #, dob, dod, and date of retirement. He was appointed in 1920 and retired in 1947. The pension app. also gave family info, marital status, date of marriage, wife's name and DOB, # of children their age & sex. This app. was to be returned to the office of the Secretary Rm. 55 City Hall JC, NJ. I'd try calling the precinct your ancestor worked in, on various days & times to see if you find a sympathetic ear who may assist you. I'd do some checking with the main Library in JC and the archives in Trenton in case the records were recently transfered. Hope this helps you in your search. Regards, Joe Hay in VA > From: RStrutton@aol.com> Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 15:44:12 -0500> To: njhudson@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [NJHUDSON] POLICE FILES> > My grandfather was a JC police officer in 1930. I tried to get his file and > they said they no longer existed. Don't know if I really accept that but > couldn't get anything from them.> > Rstrutton@aol.com> > > In a message dated 1/5/2009 2:31:03 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > maurmike1@verizon.net writes:> > Does anyone know if old JC police files are accessible? The year of interest> is 1930 and it is a suicide.> > > MIKE> > maurmike1@verizon.net> > > > > -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NJHUDSON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message> > > **************New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making > headlines. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000026)> > -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NJHUDSON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ It’s the same Hotmail®. If by “same” you mean up to 70% faster. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_broad1_122008

How long have you been list admin? On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 3:10 PM, Robert Leonard <rgleonard@earthlink.net>wrote: > Dear List Members; As the List Admin I am bothered by the responses just > received. On any given day I receive to much spam to not ask for the List > Members help in stopping spam. The short form to eliminate you as a > possible > source of spam. Believe me the spam I see shouldn't be allowed on our List. > It is horrible and just creates dissension from List Members if let to > continue through to us. Please understand this is a way to stop this > garbage. Thank you for understanding, Robert Leonard > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NJHUDSON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

One might purchase a spam filter, or change email providers as an alternative to losing personal emails................ Dee **************New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making headlines. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000026)

Have no clue what you are talking about. I don't send spam and see no dissension. Sent this privately but you want a form filled out and I don't fill out forms for accepting email. cindy macdonald phillips On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 3:10 PM, Robert Leonard <rgleonard@earthlink.net>wrote: > Dear List Members; As the List Admin I am bothered by the responses just > received. On any given day I receive to much spam to not ask for the List > Members help in stopping spam. The short form to eliminate you as a > possible > source of spam. Believe me the spam I see shouldn't be allowed on our List. > It is horrible and just creates dissension from List Members if let to > continue through to us. Please understand this is a way to stop this > garbage. Thank you for understanding, Robert Leonard > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NJHUDSON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Cindyp http://grammiesbears.com http://teambeachbody.com/cindylu http://OurGV.com/cynthiaphillips http://shaklee.net/naturalngreen

My grandfather was a JC police officer in 1930. I tried to get his file and they said they no longer existed. Don't know if I really accept that but couldn't get anything from them. Rstrutton@aol.com In a message dated 1/5/2009 2:31:03 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, maurmike1@verizon.net writes: Does anyone know if old JC police files are accessible? The year of interest is 1930 and it is a suicide. MIKE maurmike1@verizon.net ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NJHUDSON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making headlines. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000026)

Rule of thumb is to write to them certified mail. Whatever said over the phone turns into a "what he said, she said". Placing it in writing starts an official inquiry that must be truthfully be answered. That letter is your ammo if they do you wrong... Dave --- On Mon, 1/5/09, RStrutton@aol.com <RStrutton@aol.com> wrote: > From: RStrutton@aol.com <RStrutton@aol.com> > Subject: Re: [NJHUDSON] POLICE FILES > To: njhudson@rootsweb.com > Date: Monday, January 5, 2009, 12:44 PM > My grandfather was a JC police officer in 1930. I tried to > get his file and > they said they no longer existed. Don't know if I > really accept that but > couldn't get anything from them. > > Rstrutton@aol.com > > > In a message dated 1/5/2009 2:31:03 P.M. Eastern Standard > Time, > maurmike1@verizon.net writes: > > Does anyone know if old JC police files are accessible? > The year of interest > is 1930 and it is a suicide. > > > MIKE > > maurmike1@verizon.net > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NJHUDSON-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > > the body of the message > > > **************New year...new news. Be the first to know > what is making > headlines. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000026) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NJHUDSON-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

Does anyone know if old JC police files are accessible? The year of interest is 1930 and it is a suicide. MIKE maurmike1@verizon.net

Mike, I called the Hoboken PD 3 weeks ago and they read me the riot act about releasing these records to me. They could not, but speaking with one of my best friends who is a county sheriff, he said it IS possible to get them under certain circumstances. Not knowing how much research you have done, I would recommend getting the death certificate from the NJ Archives, and getting any newspaper story from the Jersey City Free Public Library. My dad's family is from jersey city. What is the surname you are seeking? Dave --- On Mon, 1/5/09, MIKE MCHENRY <maurmike1@verizon.net> wrote: > From: MIKE MCHENRY <maurmike1@verizon.net> > Subject: [NJHUDSON] POLICE FILES > To: njhudson@rootsweb.com > Date: Monday, January 5, 2009, 10:51 AM > Does anyone know if old JC police files are accessible? The > year of interest > is 1930 and it is a suicide. > > > MIKE > > maurmike1@verizon.net > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NJHUDSON-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

Dear List Members; As the List Admin I am bothered by the responses just received. On any given day I receive to much spam to not ask for the List Members help in stopping spam. The short form to eliminate you as a possible source of spam. Believe me the spam I see shouldn't be allowed on our List. It is horrible and just creates dissension from List Members if let to continue through to us. Please understand this is a way to stop this garbage. Thank you for understanding, Robert Leonard

The Passaic County Historical Society Genealogy Club will meet on Saturday, January 10, 2009, at 10 a.m. at Lambert Castle, 3 Valley Road, Paterson, NY. (Corner of Valley Rd and Route 19) Speaker Christine Jochem of the New Jersey History Center at the Morristown Public Library, will give a presentation on "Preserving Family Archives." Topics will include preserving your research, and storing, handling, and displaying items from your family archives. Please join us!

I've seen that quite frequently. Some people are more serious than others about controlling spam. If it's someone I want/need to contact I fill out the form. You only need to do it the first communication with that person. Lauren Maehrlein Maehrlein's Heirlines Plant a tree, then start your family tree!

I agree with you but lots of people are doing this now. this is what Plaxo and others are all about. What amazes me is those that have businesses online are doing htis too. I can only imagine how many orders they lose because I for one will not fill out these forms. It won't keep the spam from coming and I wonder how much good mail they are missing if they don't check their spam filters. cindy macdonald phillips On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 11:56 AM, Tallygators <tallygators@earthlink.net>wrote: > I recently answered an email to njhudson-bounces. I received this in > return > (I have left off her email address) but will be happy to supply it > privately. > > > > I apologize for this automatic reply to your email. > > > > To control spam, I now allow incoming messages only from senders I have > approved beforehand. > > > > If you would like to be added to my list of approved senders, please fill > out the short request form (see link below). Once I approve you, I will > receive your original message in my inbox. You do not need to resend your > message. I apologize for this one-time inconvenience. > > > > > > Needless to say I have no intention to apply to be approved. In the 40+ > years I have been researching this is one of the more ridiculous answers I > have received. > > > > Floreda > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NJHUDSON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Cindyp http://grammiesbears.com http://teambeachbody.com/cindylu http://OurGV.com/cynthiaphillips http://shaklee.net/naturalngreen

I recently answered an email to njhudson-bounces. I received this in return (I have left off her email address) but will be happy to supply it privately. I apologize for this automatic reply to your email. To control spam, I now allow incoming messages only from senders I have approved beforehand. If you would like to be added to my list of approved senders, please fill out the short request form (see link below). Once I approve you, I will receive your original message in my inbox. You do not need to resend your message. I apologize for this one-time inconvenience. Needless to say I have no intention to apply to be approved. In the 40+ years I have been researching this is one of the more ridiculous answers I have received. Floreda

Genealogy is many things to many people. You and I sort of fall in the category I call 'purists' for lack of a better word. We want to have as much proof as possible. Other people are happy just to collect names. I started my research in the late 1960s (to put it in perspective the 1900 census had not yet been released to the public). I would kill to know where some of the information in One World Tree originated. But, then, I would kill to know where some of the notes I took in those early years originated. I can tell from my writing how excited I was to find the information but I had not yet understood the importance of citing my reference. Nice thing about genealogy is that it is different for each person. So the best we can do is each of us set the rules for ourselves. I use the notes section of my genealogy program to enter information that may or may not be correct. I site the source and put a note "more research is needed to verify". Floreda Varick -----Original Message----- From: njhudson-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:njhudson-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of bluerainbow@earthlink.net Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 11:21 PM To: Genealogy: Brooklyn List Serve; Genealogy: Hudson County List Serve Subject: [NJHUDSON] Sources In todays cyber world it is much easier to find all kinds of information (good and bad). When I look on One World Tree I find all kinds of discrepancies. Some people who submit their tree to Ancestry.com have sources but most don't. It would be easy to simply use that information but I'm concerned about it's accuracy and wonder whose information I should believe. I've taken the stand not to use any of the One World Tree information unless it has a source I can check myself. One particular name in my tree (Vreeland) not only has tons of information on One World Tree but a few members of that branch have created a web site with all sorts of wonderful information on it. The information is pretty convincing and it is obvious they have worked hard for many years at recording the family history. Here's my dilemma...is it acceptable to take the information contained on their web page (and others like it) and transcribe it into my tree using their web page as my source? Or, should a source be a record of some sort? Searching for: Bell Catton Dalton Davis Happel Gahagan Rahmel Scull VanHorn VanNess VanWinkle Vreeland ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NJHUDSON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

In todays cyber world it is much easier to find all kinds of information (good and bad). When I look on One World Tree I find all kinds of discrepancies. Some people who submit their tree to Ancestry.com have sources but most don't. It would be easy to simply use that information but I'm concerned about it's accuracy and wonder whose information I should believe. I've taken the stand not to use any of the One World Tree information unless it has a source I can check myself. One particular name in my tree (Vreeland) not only has tons of information on One World Tree but a few members of that branch have created a web site with all sorts of wonderful information on it. The information is pretty convincing and it is obvious they have worked hard for many years at recording the family history. Here's my dilemma...is it acceptable to take the information contained on their web page (and others like it) and transcribe it into my tree using their web page as my source? Or, should a source be a record of some sort? Searching for: Bell Catton Dalton Davis Happel Gahagan Rahmel Scull VanHorn VanNess VanWinkle Vreeland

Does anyone have a copy of History of the County of Hudson, New Jersey, from Its Earliest Settlement to the Present Time by Charles H Winfield? Is it worth purchasing?