The Genealogical Society of Bergen County invites you to attend its monthly meeting and informative program led by Firth Haring Fabend.??Further information at website,?http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~njgsbc/?or by email to Burgenlaenderin@aol.com.? There is no fee to attend; light refreshments are available. Margaret Kaiser GSBC Program Chair? Monday, February 23, 7:00 p.m., Ridgewood Public Library, 125 North Maple Ave. Ridgewood, NJ 07450 Lecture/Slideshow, "Patroons and Plowmen, Pietism and Politics: Dutch Settlers in the Hudson Valley in the Seventeenth and Eighteenth Centuries"? Historian Firth Fabend presents a brief overview of the Dutch people who settled in the Hudson Valley in the seventeenth and eighteenth centuries. She illustrates her talk with eighty slides, in forty pairs for purposes of comparison. She asks, Who were these Dutch people who replanted themselves in the Hudson Valley when it was a wolf-infested wilderness?? Why did they come to America? What did they do when they got here? And why is their cultural influence still felt in the area today? She touches upon the fur trade, slavery, the patroon system of land tenure vs. the English manorial system, farming practices, family structure, domestic architecture and house furnishings, the religious culture, and the schism in the Dutch Reformed Church that paralleled the divisions between Patriots and Tories in the War of Revolution.

"Cut once - paste many" That is how I have been doing it. I will be sorry to hear if there is an easier way. Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: "frank dillman" <frank@frankdillman.com> To: <bluerainbow@earthlink.net>; "Genealogy: Brooklyn List Serve" <nybrooklyn-l@rootsweb.com>; "Genealogy: Kings County List Serve" <NYKINGS-L@rootsweb.com>; "Genealogy: Hudson County List Serve" <NJHUDSON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 10:37 PM Subject: Re: [NJHUDSON] [BKLYN] Family Tree Maker Users > Pls post "how to" to the Bklyn List. Thanks, frank in Alabama > ----- Original Message ----- > From: bluerainbow@earthlink.net > To: Genealogy: Brooklyn List Serve ; Genealogy: Kings County List Serve ; > Genealogy: Hudson County List Serve > Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 20:02 > Subject: [BKLYN] Family Tree Maker Users > > > Family Tree Maker users: > > Other then to cut and paste is there any way to put the same fact in > selected family members "Fact" area? I want to add the same "Residence" > information for the parents and all their children without having to cut > and paste each time. > > Penny > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYBROOKLYN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NJHUDSON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

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Ellen Major BRIDGEWATER TWP. -- Ellen Major passed away on Thursday, Feb. 5, 2009 at McCarrick Care Center, Somerset. She was 102. Born Dec. 15, 1906 in Jersey City, she was the daughter of Vencenza and Vittorio Fiorentino. The family moved to Staten Island in 1920 to escape the epidemic of influenza in the city. After finishing school, Ellen was a seamstress in New York City with a second job as one of the first ushers at the Paramount Theater in St. George, Staten Island. It was there she met Walter Shaw Major. Ellen and Walter were married on Feb. 10, 1934. The Majors moved to Pottstown, Pa. at the beginning of World War II where Walter found work with an airplane parts manufacturer, and Ellen reared their two daughters. At the end of the war, the family moved to Bridgewater. Except for several years in New Port Richey, Fla. and Oxford, Ellen resided in Bridgewater. She was the fifth resident to move into the Centerbridge One senior complex in Bridgewater. Ellen and Walter loved to travel, and after his death, Ellen continued to travel with the Bridgewater Seniors Club, family and friends. She loved to crochet and when arthritis made that impossible, she turned to reading. She loved all types of books, but mysteries were her favorites. She enjoyed spending time with her family, going out to dinner and loved being a grandmother and great-grandmother. She will be greatly missed by her family, friends and all those who knew and loved her. Her husband of 34 years died earlier, as did her granddaughter Jennifer Kreis; her sisters, Erminia Cerone, Adeline Cenci and Amalia Ricotta; and her brother, Dante Fiorentino. Surviving her are her daughters Patricia Metzler and husband Howard of Branchburg, and Barbara Conner and husband Harold of Pattenburg; four grandchildren, Allan Metzler and wife Carolyn, Cynthia Nileski and husband Robert, Sharon Richa, and Christopher Conner and wife Jennifer; and eight great-grandchildren, Anthony and Amanda Kreis, Gabrielle and Mansour Richa, Stephanie and Kimberly Nileski, and Zachary and Andrew Conner. A Mass of Christian Burial was said Tuesday, Feb. 10 at 9:30 a.m. at Immaculate Conception Catholic Church, 35 Mountain Ave., Somerville. Interment followed at the New Cemetery, Somerville. Visiting hours were Monday, Feb. 9, 3-5 and 7-9 p.m. at Cusick Funeral Home, 80 Mountain Ave., Somerville. Memorial donations can be made to McCarrick Care Center, 15 Dellwood Lane, Somerset 08873 or St. Jude Children's Research Hospital, 501 St. Jude Place, Memphis, TN 38105. http://www.nj.com/hunterdon/index.ssf/2009/02/hunterdon_obituaries_posted_we_15.html#more

Bernard A. "Benny" Rozansky STOCKTON -- Bernard A. "Benny" Rozansky, owner of Brillman's Lawnmowers and Brillman's Rental Barn in Newtown, Pa., passed away on Monday, Feb. 2, 2009 at Doylestown Hospital. He was 71. He formerly lived in New Hope. Benny was born Sept. 9, 1937 in Jersey City, a son of Bronislaw Rozansky and Emily Makiej. He graduated from Frenchtown High School in 1957. He was a mechanic for C.A. Magill & Sons in New Hope from 1961 to 1970. From 1970 to 1972, he worked for the Raritan Township Road Department. In 1972, he and his wife, Betty, purchased Brillman's Lawnmower Shop. Together they operated the business until his retirement. In 1993, along with their son, James, they started Brillman's Rental Barn. In 2002, with their daughter, Mary Beth, they moved the business to Newtown. Benny was an avid sports fan. He enjoyed hunting, trap shooting and NASCAR racing. His greatest pleasure was the time he spent with his grandchildren. Surviving are his loving wife of 30 years, Betty Schlegel Rozansky; his step-children who loved him as a father, John R. Brillman III and his wife Bernice of Mount Jackson, Va., James Brillman and his wife Katrina of Buckingham, Pa. and Mary Beth Brillman of Newtown; his beloved grandchildren, Diana, Sarah, John, Bailey and Corey; his brothers, Eugene of Stockton and Edward and his wife Ruth of Stockton; his sisters, Theresa Klein and her husband William of Stockton; and Eileen Rehm and her husband Fred of Easton. His funeral service was Feb. 6 at Leaver-Cable Funeral Home, Buckingham, Pa. Interment was at Rosemont Cemetery. Memorial donations can be made to Children's Hospital of Philadelphia, 34th and Civic Center Boulevard, Philadelphia 19104. http://www.nj.com/hunterdon/index.ssf/2009/02/hunterdon_obituaries_posted_we_15.html#more

Good Evening, Listers, I'm looking for any information about the family of BLANCHE POLT who was born in Hudson County in 1915 and died in Middlesex County in JULY 1966. Thank you. Lou Barsi

Is this history of New Jersey correct? Before 1664 � New Netherland 1674 � 1702 � East (or West) Jersey After 1703 - New Jersey Penny

Help! I'm so confused and I'm hoping a Colonial history person can help me.... As I'm reading through the Colonial history of Bergen (now Hudson County) I see a variety of names used to describe a place. If the records indicate the person lived in Communipaw between 1646 - 1655 would I document Village of Communipaw, Pavonia, New Amsterdam, New Netherland or Village of Communipaw, Bergen, New Amsterdam, New Netherland or Village of Communipaw, Pavonia, Bergen, New Amsterdam, New Netherland or something else? If the records indicate the person lived in Gamoenepa between 1646 -1655 would I document Road District Gamoenepa, Village of Communipaw, Pavonia, New Amsterdam, New Netherland or Road District Gamoenepa, Village of Communipaw, Bergen, New Amsterdam, New Netherland or Road District Gamoenepa, Village of Communipaw, Pavonia, Bergen, New Amsterdam, New Netherland or something else? How about these same places after September 5, 1661 when the Village of Bergen was christened? How about these same after April 7, 1668 when the Town of Bergen was granted charter? Does anyone know of a accurate straight forward list with just dates and names of places as they changed? Thanks Penny

If someone was born in Caven Point in 1714 would that be written: Town of Bergen, Bergen, New Jersey, USA (Now Jersey City, Hudson, New Jersey, USA) or Caven Point, Bergen, New Jersey, USA (Now Jersey City, Hudson, New Jersey, USA) or Town of Bergen, Caven Point section, Bergen, New Jersey, USA (Now Jersey City, Hudson, New Jersey, USA) Penny

Pls post "how to" to the Bklyn List. Thanks, frank in Alabama ----- Original Message ----- From: bluerainbow@earthlink.net To: Genealogy: Brooklyn List Serve ; Genealogy: Kings County List Serve ; Genealogy: Hudson County List Serve Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 20:02 Subject: [BKLYN] Family Tree Maker Users Family Tree Maker users: Other then to cut and paste is there any way to put the same fact in selected family members "Fact" area? I want to add the same "Residence" information for the parents and all their children without having to cut and paste each time. Penny ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYBROOKLYN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Family Tree Maker users: Other then to cut and paste is there any way to put the same fact in selected family members "Fact" area? I want to add the same "Residence" information for the parents and all their children without having to cut and paste each time. Penny

Richard E. Komoski CLINTON TWP. -- Richard E. Komoski died Tuesday, Jan. 20, 2009 at home. He was 80. He was born April 29, 1928 in Jersey City and had lived in Clinton Township for 40 years, moving from Hopewell. He was a son of Edward and Sally Wisniewski Komoski. An Army paratrooper during World War II, he was a graduate of Pratt Institute in Brooklyn. He was a chemical engineer for Johnson & Johnson in New Brunswick. He was past commander with the United States Power Squadron, Delhigh Squadron in Bethlehem, Pa. He was a full certificate holder and instructor. He was an outdoorsman and kayaker. Survivors include his wife of 54 years, Muriel L. Geller Kotnoski; three daughters, Jayne M. Burger of Palmyra, Va., Jeanne W. Ferrigno of Monroe, N.Y and Leigh K. Hogan of Verona; and two grandchildren, Devon Burger and Patrick Hogan. Funeral services were held Monday, Jan. 26 at the Lebanon Reformed Church. Interment was at Somerset Hills Memorial Park, Basking Ridge. Calling hours were Saturday and Sunday at the Scarponi-Bright Funeral Home, Lebanon. http://www.nj.com/hunterdon/index.ssf/2009/01/hunterdon_obituaries_posted_tu_17.html

Good Afternoon, Listers, Blanch Polt was born in Hudson County, probably in Jersey City, in 1915/1916 and died in Woodbridge/ Perth Amboy, Middlesex County in July 1966. I would appreciate any information about Blanch's parents and grandparents. Thank you. Lou Barsi

Hi Margaret, Sounds like a good one. I sent it to the webmaster for HCGS it is posted on the website. A ----- Original Message ----- From: burgenlaenderin@aol.com Date: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 4:58 pm Subject: [NJHUDSON] Fwd: Jan 26 program in Ridgewood, NJ To: NJPassaic@rootsweb.com, NJHudson@rootsweb.com, NYRockla@rootsweb.com > > > The Genealogical Society of Bergen County invites members and > guests to attend their January 26, 2009 monthly meeting. > > Monday, January 26, 2009 > 7-9 p.m. > Ridgewood, NJ Public Library Auditorium > > No fee, light refreshments > > The evening's presenter is Bill Griffeth, the author of "By > Faith Alone: One Family's Epic Journey Through 400 Years of > American Protestantism," (just released in paperback), and other > books. He is a CNBC anchor for 17 years and currently is co- > anchor of "Power Lunch" which airs weekdays from noon to 2 pm. > > His program is entitled, "There's a Witch in my Genes," which is > about the author's genealogy and protestant research in England, > New England and New York. > > Bill has also written three books to date. His most recent book, > By Faith Alone: One Family's Epic Journey Through 400 Years of > American Protestantism (Harmony), was published December, 2007. > His other two books, Bill Griffeth’s Ten Steps to Financial > Prosperity (Warner Books), which was published in 1994, and The > Mutual Fund Masters (McGraw-Hill), published in 1995, were both > Fortune Book Club main selections. > > Book Review by Jan Alpert: By Faith Alone by Bill Griffeth. Have > you thought about writing your family h istory? With so much > information, how does one begin to tell the story? Bill > Griffeth, business anchor on CNBC, began his family research in > 2003. He quickly became absorbed in the influence that religion > had on several of his ancestors. Griffeth recently published his > story, By Faith Alone (I > SBN: 978-0-307-40747-4, Harmony Books, a Division of Random > House, Inc., New York, New York, 2007). As genealogists, > sometimes we become so bogged down in documenting the details > that we bore other family members when we talk about our > ancestors. Overcoming this tendency, Griffeth tells a story > within a story. On one level he tells the family history of > several of his ancestors. Wrapping around this history is the > story of his quest to discover his f amily history and his > journeys to many of the towns where his ancestors lived. > Griffeth's ancestry includes Pilgrims who settled in Plymouth, > Massachusetts, Puritans from Great Yarmouth, Separatists who > fled to Holland, a witch hanged in Salem, Massachusetts, and a > circuit rider Methodist minister in New York and New Jersey. > They all come together in Washington, Kansas, where Bill grew > up. Like so many of us, when Griffeth began his research, he had > no idea of his varied geographic, ethnic, and religious > background. I was amazed at how much information he packed into > approximately 250 pages. The book is not footnoted, but he has > notes for each chapter that mention his major resources. In > several instances he quotes from original documents. I share his > Cornell line and descend from another witch hanged at Salem. In > those two examples, I can say with assurance that he told the > story rather well. Because Griffeth is a television personality, > I believe he will encourage other business and professional > people to begin their quest. I particularly recommend the book > to family > researchers who are just beginning. He finds the important vital > records and family graves, but he also puts his ancestors in a > historical context, determines how they made their living, and > shows how religion influenced their migration to America. > > The GSBC website is: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~njgsbc/ > > If you have any questions, please contact the GSBC Program Chair > at Burgenlaenderin@aol.com > > > Get instant access to the latest & most popular FREE games while > you browse with the Games Toolbar - Download Now! > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NJHUDSON- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

You are a sweetheart; thank you. -----Original Message----- From: award100genbox@optonline.net To: njhudson@rootsweb.com Sent: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 7:33 pm Subject: Re: [NJHUDSON] Fwd: Jan 26 program in Ridgewood, NJ Hi Margaret, Sounds like a good one. I sent it to the webmaster for HCGS it is posted on the ebsite. A ----- Original Message ----- rom: burgenlaenderin@aol.com ate: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 4:58 pm ubject: [NJHUDSON] Fwd: Jan 26 program in Ridgewood, NJ o: NJPassaic@rootsweb.com, NJHudson@rootsweb.com, NYRockla@rootsweb.com > The Genealogical Society of Bergen County invites members and guests to attend their January 26, 2009 monthly meeting. Monday, January 26, 2009 7-9 p.m. Ridgewood, NJ Public Library Auditorium No fee, light refreshments The evening's presenter is Bill Griffeth, the author of "By Faith Alone: One Family's Epic Journey Through 400 Years of American Protestantism," (just released in paperback), and other books. He is a CNBC anchor for 17 years and currently is co- anchor of "Power Lunch" which airs weekdays from noon to 2 pm. His program is entitled, "There's a Witch in my Genes," which is about the author's genealogy and protestant research in England, New England and New York. Bill has also written three books to date. His most recent book, By Faith Alone: One Family's Epic Journey Through 400 Years of American Protestantism (Harmony), was published December, 2007. His other two books, Bill20Griffeth’s Ten Steps to Financial Prosperity (Warner Books), which was published in 1994, and The Mutual Fund Masters (McGraw-Hill), published in 1995, were both Fortune Book Club main selections. Book Review by Jan Alpert: By Faith Alone by Bill Griffeth. Have you thought about writing your family h istory? With so much information, how does one begin to tell the story? Bill Griffeth, business anchor on CNBC, began his family research in 2003. He quickly became absorbed in the influence that religion had on several of his ancestors. Griffeth recently published his story, By Faith Alone (I SBN: 978-0-307-40747-4, Harmony Books, a Division of Random House, Inc., New York, New York, 2007). As genealogists, sometimes we become so bogged down in documenting the details that we bore other family members when we talk about our ancestors. Overcoming this tendency, Griffeth tells a story within a story. On one level he tells the family history of several of his ancestors. Wrapping around this history is the story of his quest to discover his f amily history and his journeys to many of the towns where his ancestors lived. Griffeth's ancestry includes Pilgrims who settled in Plymouth, Massachusetts, Puritans from Great Yarmouth, Separatists who fled to Holland, a witch hanged in Salem, Massachusetts, and a circuit rider Methodist minister in New York and New Jersey. They all come together in Washington, Kansas, where Bill grew up. Like so many of us, when Griffeth began his research, he had no idea of his varied geographic, ethnic, and religious background. I was amazed at how much information he packed into approximately 250 pages. The book is not footnoted, but he has notes for each chapter that mention his major resources. In several instances he quotes from original documents. I share his Cornell line and descend from another witch hanged at Salem. In those two examples, I can say with assurance that he told the story rather well. Because Griffeth is a television personality, I believe he will encourage other business and professional people to begin their quest. I particularly recommend the book to family researchers who are just beginning. He finds the important vital records and family graves, but he also puts his ancestors in a historical context, determines how they made their living, and shows how religion influenced their migration to America. The GSBC website is: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~njgsbc/ If you have any questions, please contact the GSBC Program Chair at Burgenlaenderin@aol.com Get instant access to the latest & most popular FREE games while you browse with the Games Toolbar - Download Now! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NJHUDSON- request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of t he message ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NJHUDSON-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message

The Genealogical Society of Bergen County invites members and guests to attend their January 26, 2009 monthly meeting.    Monday, January 26, 2009 7-9 p.m. Ridgewood, NJ Public Library Auditorium No fee, light refreshments The evening's presenter is Bill Griffeth, the author of "By Faith Alone: One Family's Epic Journey Through 400 Years of American Protestantism," (just released in paperback), and other books.  He is a CNBC anchor for 17 years and currently is co-anchor of "Power Lunch" which airs weekdays from noon to 2 pm. His program is entitled, "There's a Witch in my Genes," which is about the author's genealogy and protestant research in England, New England and New York. Bill has also written three books to date. His most recent book, By Faith Alone: One Family's Epic Journey Through 400 Years of American Protestantism (Harmony), was published December, 2007. His other two books, Bill Griffeth’s Ten Steps to Financial Prosperity (Warner Books), which was published in 1994, and The Mutual Fund Masters (McGraw-Hill), published in 1995, were both Fortune Book Club main selections. Book Review by Jan Alpert: By Faith Alone by Bill Griffeth. Have you thought about writing your family h istory? With so much information, how does one begin to tell the story? Bill Griffeth, business anchor on CNBC, began his family research in 2003. He quickly became absorbed in the influence that religion had on several of his ancestors. Griffeth recently published his story, By Faith Alone (I SBN: 978-0-307-40747-4, Harmony Books, a Division of Random House, Inc., New York, New York, 2007). As genealogists, sometimes we become so bogged down in documenting the details that we bore other family members when we talk about our ancestors. Overcoming this tendency, Griffeth tells a story within a story. On one level he tells the family history of several of his ancestors. Wrapping around this history is the story of his quest to discover his f amily history and his journeys to many of the towns where his ancestors lived. Griffeth's ancestry includes Pilgrims who settled in Plymouth, Massachusetts, Puritans from Great Yarmouth, Separatists who fled to Holland, a witch hanged in Salem, Massachusetts, and a circuit rider Methodist minister in New York and New Jersey. They all come together in Washington, Kansas, where Bill grew up. Like so many of us, when Griffeth began his research, he had no idea of his varied geographic, ethnic, and religious background. I was amazed at how much information he packed into approximately 250 pages. The book is not footnoted, but he has notes for each chapter that mention his major resources. In several instances he quotes from original documents. I share his Cornell line and descend from another witch hanged at Salem. In those two examples, I can say with assurance that he told the story rather well. Because Griffeth is a television personality, I believe he will encourage other business and professional people to begin their quest. I particularly recommend the book to family researchers who are just beginning. He finds the important vital records and family graves, but he also puts his ancestors in a historical context, determines how they made their living, and shows how religion influenced their migration to America. The GSBC website is:  http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~njgsbc/ If you have any questions, please contact the GSBC Program Chair at Burgenlaenderin@aol.com  Get instant access to the latest & most popular FREE games while you browse with the Games Toolbar - Download Now!

Hi list, for those with English ancestry the Yesterdays site ( link can be found below) contains thousands of records of persons who made their way through the the County of Derbyshire, England. However many of these people did not originate in Derbyshire and came from all over the country, hence a source of finding elusive ancestors. The type of documents covered include Settlement Examinations, a sort of CV of a persons life up to the point of the examination. Their age, where born, who they worked for, married , children etc. Workhouse records can be found under Board of Guardians with many a harrowing story as the poor and destitute pleaded for relief. Removal Orders were the instrument to remove from a parish those who had not gained a right to settle there, and having fallen on hard times and becoming a burden were returned to their last place of Settlement. Many were removed miles away, some even after spending years in their adoptive parish. Their are many other records of all types giving an insight into the lives of our ancestors during the centuries. mike -- http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~spire/Yesterday/index.htm

Hello All, I added the next 10 pages of the book "History of New Jersey". It's under maps at http://www.midatlanticarchives.com Alan RESEARCHING: Buckingham, Gilpin, Eastburn, Jeanes, Nowland, Wade, Creswell, Vansant and related families

Greetings, Here are some of my thoughts on the Vreeland books. Hope people find it useful... Winfield's book was one that we transcribed into the Vreeland Project tree early on. Every Vreeland that he included, we did as well, with a reference to that book. There are numerous minor errors in Winfield's lineages, however, and some major omissions of Vreeland family groups. You might see notes I made in the location field mentioning that Winfield was in error, or forgot, etc. I bought myself a (very) used copy, with the cover detached and some of the pages crumbling. After we transcribed all the Vreelands from Winfield's History of Hudson Co. (pub. in 1874), we did the same with Nelson's History of the City of Paterson and the County of Passaic New Jersey (pub. in 1901), that I bought from Bergen Historic Books. Nelson was much more careful than Winfield in the history and documentation, and far more thorough in his genealogy, though neither author followed the female lines [that is, unless the Vreeland wife married a Van Riper or Garrabrant or Van Vorst, etc., from one of the other family lineages included in the work]. For the Enoch Michielsen Vreeland lines (down from his 20 children!), Winfield is a bit more pertinent, at least in the history, because Enoch stayed behind at Bergen/Cavan Point, in today's Hudson Co. (a little south and west of where the Liberty Science Museum now sits on landfill), when his 4 brothers bought land and moved northwards to Aquackanonk (later, Passaic). Nelson devotes a lot of his attention to the 14 original Patentees of the Acquackanonk patent, so you can learn a lot about early Paterson and Passaic. The early history is quite interesting to me, considering that Hartman Michielsen Vreeland was the first white man to purchase land there from the Native Americans. I've driven around where he probably lived, but there are only factories and industrial plants there now, with no trace of any Vreelands. The other 2 books on the Vreelands are by Nicholas Garretson Vreeland (The Vreelands, Their Book, pub. 1909) and Louis Beach Vreeland (Annals of the Vreeland Family, 1956). NGV (as I sometimes refer to him) was big into genealogy and member of various societies, and one must read his historical information with wariness. He seemed so impressed and self-important with the tales of Vreeland history that he embellished and stretched the truth more than once. As LBV cited, NGV actually lifted a picture from one book, and put it in The Vreelands, Their Book, incorrectly identifying the man as Michael Janszen (Vreeland). LBV was very critical of NGV, with good reason. Family trees from both books are included in the Vreeland Project tree. Though we tried to be accurate and thorough with our sourcing, there are still some errors and some omissions. You can search for Vreeland individuals on the Rootsweb Vreeland Project: _http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=vreelandproject&I11.x=0&I1 1.y=0_ (http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=vreelandproject&I11.x=0&I11.y=0) and look for the sources. Just be advised that when we were starting on this joint project, we were less obsessive about the source information than we grew to be... Finally, Winfield also wrote another interesting book, HISTORY OF THE LAND TITLES IN HUDSON CO. N. J., © 1872. There are numerous mentions of Vreelands within it, but the text is SO dense that it is very difficult to read and actually understand. There is a fascinating map that goes along with it that I first saw at Bergen Historical Society -- 5 large sheets, approx. 24" x 36" that together map the entire county, with plots marked of all the owners. I xeroxed and taped together the whole thing, but I'm afraid it didn't help me too much in comprehending Winfield's text. Here is an exerpt from Land Titles, concerning Michael Janszen's property in Communipaw, p. 52: Jansen bought about 1647, and paid for his purchase in installments. He and Bout agreed concerning the balance due, June 9, 1655, and it was not until the whole consideration was paid that he received his deed. The tract lay S. of Communipaw Ave., and extended to the creek which yet empties into the bay on the S. side of the Abattoir. The Patent called for 107 acres. The patentee died seized Oct. 17, 1697. By will she [Fitje Hartmans] left all of her lands to her children, Elias, Enoch, Johannis, Hartman, Cornelis, Jannetje, and Pryntje. These partitioned, June 26, 1701, but owing to the uncertainties of the boundaries it is impossible to give the location of the several allotments. Enoch Vreeland, son of the above-named Enoch, sold, May 7, 1710, to Rutgert Van Horne, then living at Pembrepogh, a lot at Communipaw, but where located, or of what size, is not stated. But it seems to have been the allotment of Enoch in the general partition, and by him sold to his son. The consideration in the deed of Enoch to Van Horne was one pepper corn, when demanded by his father Enoch Michielse of Pembrepogh. It continues on in that style. Perhaps if I was a real estate historian I could make more sense of it? If I had to rank order the books according to their usefulness to me, I'd choose Nelson first, then Winfield, then Louis B Vreeland, then Land Titles, then NGV. Hope this helps! -- Barbara Erwin-McGuire **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! 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