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Sure, If you sign in and on mine it has quick links.. One of them is Immigration and Emigration. If you click on that then scroll all the way down to the bottom where it says "Go Directly to a Specific Title or Collection." Under that in Immigration and Emigration it lists U.S. Passport Applications.. Susan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Justine Subject: Re: [NJHUDSON] Documents w/ Persons Description on it? > > Susan, I noticed your offer of help on the Naturalization papers on > Ancestry.com. I have Ancestry but can't find out how to get onto these > paper > on trying to find my ggfather John Carley b- BT 1835 who lived in Jersey > City in 1870 but was born in Ireland. Could you show me how to get into > these papers. Thanks ;Justine McCormick > Susan wrote: > >

I thought the same thing for my GGM immigrating from Poland. I initially checked Hudson County records and confirmed she was listed on my GGF records. Then someone recommend that I do a FOIA (Freedom of Information Act) request to the district. The more information you can supply them the better your chances. I got lucky and received photocopies of some records with photos. US INS Newark District Office Attn: FOIA Unit 970 Broad Street Newark, NJ 07102 To whom it may concern; I am writing this letter to request information under the Freedom of Information Act. I am looking to obtain the immigration records related to my great grandmother listed below: LAST NAME: FIRST NAME: DATE OF BIRTH: PLACE OF BIRTH: IMMIGRATED: DATE OF DEATH: PLACE OF DEATH: NATURALIZED: The more information you can supply them the better your chance. http://www.uscis.gov/portal/site/uscis/menuitem.eb1d4c2a3e5b9ac89243c6a7543f 6d1a/?vgnextchannel=34139c7755cb9010VgnVCM10000045f3d6a1RCRD&vgnextoid=34139 c7755cb9010VgnVCM10000045f3d6a1RCRD -----Original Message----- From: njhudson-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:njhudson-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Jeanne Thomas Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 8:25 PM To: njhudson@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NJHUDSON] Documents w/ Persons Description on it? When I was searching for naturalization info about my GGM, I recall being advised that a woman would not have naturalization records of her own, as her citizenship would have come through her husband at the time of marriage. Is this information incorrect? Jeanne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stickman" <stick_man@comcast.net> To: <njhudson@rootsweb.com>; <davidstroebel@yahoo.com> Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 6:42 PM Subject: Re: [NJHUDSON] Documents w/ Persons Description on it? >I would request the naturalization paper from the Hudson County Clerk > office. > (http://www.hudsoncountyclerk.org/) > > NATURALIZATION RECORDS - Phone: (201) 795-5678 > > Naturalization Records from 1840 to 1989 can be obtained from the Office > of > the Clerk of Hudson County. To request a Naturalization Record Search you > must send a written request and include the following information: > > The full name, date, and place of birth of the Naturalized Person > The names of his/her spouse and children > The approximate date of his/her immigration to the United States > The approximate date of his/her Naturalization or filing of his/her first > paper > Any other name(s) he/she may have used > His/Her address at the time of Naturalization > > This written request, along with a $3.00 search fee (money order only made > payable to "Clerk of Hudson County") should be mailed to: > > Office of the Clerk of Hudson County > Division of Passports > 595 Newark Avenue, Suite 407A > Jersey City, NJ 07306 > > Once the record(s) is found, an additional $2.00 per page copy fee will be > charged to the requestor. A request for a letter of verification is $5.00, > and a request for the certification of documents is $10.00 per document. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: njhudson-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:njhudson-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Lindabr25@aol.com > Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 11:34 AM > To: davidstroebel@yahoo.com; NJHUDSON@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [NJHUDSON] Documents w/ Persons Description on it? > > > > Hi, > I have the same question about my GGM from an Irish family. She died > around 1907 in Jersey City from TB. > So I would also like to know the answer to this. > Linda in Indianapolis > > > > In a message dated 4/20/2009 10:26:24 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > davidstroebel@yahoo.com writes: > > > My GGM lived in Jersey City from 1883 to 1911. She was a German immigrant > and died in 1911. Can someone please tell me what documents existed that > would contain her name, date of birth, height, weight, eye & hair color? > > I already have her death certificate. She became a citizen when her > husband filed papers. I'm thinking in the way of a driver's license, some > kind of > application, etc. There are no known photographs of her, or any > indication > of what she looked like. > > Thanks, > > -Dave > > > > > **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 > easy > steps! > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220572844x1201387506/aol?redir=htt > p:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26 > hmpgID%3D62%26bcd%3DAprilfooter420NO62) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NJHUDSON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NJHUDSON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NJHUDSON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Susan, I noticed your offer of help on the Naturalization papers on Ancestry.com. I have Ancestry but can't find out how to get onto these paper on trying to find my ggfather John Carley b- BT 1835 who lived in Jersey City in 1870 but was born in Ireland. Could you show me how to get into these papers. Thanks ;Justine McCormick Susan wrote: Hi Linda, I just replied to Dave as well.. I believe it is the Natualization papers on Ancestry that have some pictures.. I will have to check.. No.. sorry Dave it is the Passport Applications... I would be willing to look up your names if you have dates etc.. Susan ----- Original Message ----- From: [1]<Lindabr25@aol.com> To: [2]<davidstroebel@yahoo.com>; [3]<NJHUDSON@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 11:33 AM Subject: Re: [NJHUDSON] Documents w/ Persons Description on it? Hi, I have the same question about my GGM from an Irish family. She died around 1907 in Jersey City from TB. So I would also like to know the answer to this. Linda in Indianapolis In a message dated 4/20/2009 10:26:24 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [4]davidstroebel@yahoo.com writes: My GGM lived in Jersey City from 1883 to 1911. She was a German immigrant and died in 1911. Can someone please tell me what documents existed that would contain her name, date of birth, height, weight, eye & hair color? I already have her death certificate. She became a citizen when her husband filed papers. I'm thinking in the way of a driver's license, some kind of application, etc. There are no known photographs of her, or any indication of what she looked like. Thanks, -Dave **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! ([5]http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220572844x1201387506/aol?redir=htt p:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26 hmpgID%3D62%26bcd%3DAprilfooter420NO62) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [6]NJHUDSON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [7]NJHUDSON-request@roots web.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the b ody of the message References 1. mailto:Lindabr25@aol.com 2. mailto:davidstroebel@yahoo.com 3. mailto:NJHUDSON@rootsweb.com 4. mailto:davidstroebel@yahoo.com 5. http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220572844x1201387506/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26 6. mailto:NJHUDSON-request@rootsweb.com 7. mailto:NJHUDSON-request@rootsweb.com

David, Your quest is a common one for many of us. But, especially for a woman, there are very few records, and the time frame matters in what might be found. Passenger lists - Early ones only have name, age, country of origin, maybe occupation. They expanded over time, adding more info along the way, including physical description. Your relative is too early for much info. Naturallization - Early records for couples, all done under the man's info, with wife and any children added as an almost after thought. Once women got the vote, they got their own paperwork, even if married. That didn't happen until the 1920's. I have records for my grandparents (1910/1911) No pictures. His brother & wife, in the early 1920's each with own petition, again no pictures. Dying in 1911, again, too late for what you're looking for. Driver's license?? First, there were very few cars around in 1911. And, I'm sure that 99.99 percent were driven by men! I had a granduncle who died in Dec 1913 in NYC after being struck by a motor vehicle. My first thought was how the heck did this happen, since there weren't that many around? Horse-drawn wagons, etc were still very popular. I vaguely remembering finding out that in the entire city of NY, there were less than 14,000 registered motorized vehicles (cars, trucks, etc) My relatives in JC, into the 1930's at least, walked almost everywhere, with an occasional trolley ride or bus ride, going into NYC on what is now known as the PATH. I've got grandparents & one couple of great grandparents, that I'm lucky enough to have a photo, in their later years. Nothing from their youth. Photos were a luxury that wasn't in the budget, I guess. Military records, for men, can be helpful if they exist. The WWI & old man's WWII draft registration can be a treasure, even if they didn't serve. Cheer up, Out of 4 pairs of greatgrandparents, I have one photo. Two pairs, my father's side, stayed in Ireland, so nothing. And, my mother's father's parents, nothing. He died in 1907, she died in early 1930's. They came over in the late 1860;s from somewhere in Ireland, with VERY common names so I haven't even pinned down the passenger lists, and the lists didn't have much back then anyway. I've basically resigned myself to accept things as they are. If something ever turns up, I'll embrace it, but I have no hopes of that happening. 8v( Happy searching, Maureen On 4/20/09, David Stroebel <davidstroebel@yahoo.com> wrote: > > My GGM lived in Jersey City from 1883 to 1911. She was a German immigrant > and died in 1911. Can someone please tell me what documents existed that > would contain her name, date of birth, height, weight, eye & hair color? > > I already have her death certificate. She became a citizen when her husband > filed papers. I'm thinking in the way of a driver's license, some kind of > application, etc. There are no known photographs of her, or any indication > of what she looked like. > -- NOTICE: This email message is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use,disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply mail and destroy all copies of the original message.

With reference to the fourth paragraph, but we have lots of photos of the West Hoboken Germans (none of whom served in the Civil War, interestingly). I have a relative that came over from Germany and served in the Civil War, he was wounded, died in 1926 and is buried in upstate New York. Ann in Farmingdale, NJ Genealogy: The Past Revisited _http://ngeorgia.com/history/nghisttt.html_ (http://ngeorgia.com/history/nghisttt.html) The Trail of Tears - Cherokee Indians forcibly removed from North Georgia In a message dated 4/20/2009 11:46:47 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, maureen1024@yahoo.com writes: My Irish-American great-grandfather had a "pass through the lines" in the Civil War to let him get home to New York from Virginia. It very carefully described him as "gray eyes, fair, medium build" -- WOW! so now we know everything! Or not? It was typed on tan-colored paper about 5 inches across X 8 inches. It is a treasure. But we need to remember that the life and times were very different and we cannot have unrealistic expectations. We won't find videos of our great-grannies running a stoplight as one can find in Chicago now (I just MAY have starred in one of those this morning!) We have no photos of the New York Irish in that generation, either, and only the above description -- but we have lots of photos of the West Hoboken Germans (none of whom served in the Civil War, interestingly). It may have been a question of who could afford to hire a photographer and who had relatives elsewhere to whom they were writing and sending photos, and whose mother wanted a photo. My Irish immigrants were both Great Famine immigrants who were raised in Irish orphanages, then turned out at age 15 to fend for themselves -- so they had no one taking their First Communion pictures and such, no family traditions they knew of -- and they were lucky to get a crust of bread. I just bless and thank them for their grit and determination because I have certainly had a good life due to their strong wills and courage! --- On Mon, 4/20/09, Jeanne Thomas <gthomas1@tampabay.rr.com> wrote: From: Jeanne Thomas <gthomas1@tampabay.rr.com> Subject: Re: [NJHUDSON] Documents w/ Persons Description on it? To: njhudson@rootsweb.com Date: Monday, April 20, 2009, 7:24 PM When I was searching for naturalization info about my GGM, I recall being advised that a woman would not have naturalization records of her own, as her citizenship would have come through her husband at the time of marriage. Is this information incorrect? Jeanne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stickman" <stick_man@comcast.net> To: <njhudson@rootsweb.com>; <davidstroebel@yahoo.com> Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 6:42 PM Subject: Re: [NJHUDSON] Documents w/ Persons Description on it? >I would request the naturalization paper from the Hudson County Clerk > office. > (http://www.hudsoncountyclerk.org/) > > NATURALIZATION RECORDS - Phone: (201) 795-5678 > > Naturalization Records from 1840 to 1989 can be obtained from the Office > of > the Clerk of Hudson County. To request a Naturalization Record Search you > must send a written request and include the following information: > > The full name, date, and place of birth of the Naturalized Person > The names of his/her spouse and children > The approximate date of his/her immigration to the United States > The approximate date of his/her Naturalization or filing of his/her first > paper > Any other name(s) he/she may have used > His/Her address at the time of Naturalization > > This written request, along with a $3.00 search fee (money order only made > payable to "Clerk of Hudson County") should be mailed to: > > Office of the Clerk of Hudson County > Division of Passports > 595 Newark Avenue, Suite 407A > Jersey City, NJ 07306 > > Once the record(s) is found, an additional $2.00 per page copy fee will be > charged to the requestor. A request for a letter of verification is $5.00, > and a request for the certification of documents is $10.00 per document. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: njhudson-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:njhudson-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Lindabr25@aol.com > Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 11:34 AM > To: davidstroebel@yahoo.com; NJHUDSON@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [NJHUDSON] Documents w/ Persons Description on it? > > > > Hi, > I have the same question about my GGM from an Irish family. She died > around 1907 in Jersey City from TB. > So I would also like to know the answer to this. > Linda in Indianapolis > > > > In a message dated 4/20/2009 10:26:24 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > davidstroebel@yahoo.com writes: > > > My GGM lived in Jersey City from 1883 to 1911. She was a German immigrant > and died in 1911. Can someone please tell me what documents existed that > would contain her name, date of birth, height, weight, eye & hair color? > > I already have her death certificate. She became a citizen when her > husband filed papers. I'm thinking in the way of a driver's license, some > kind of > application, etc. There are no known photographs of her, or any > indication > of what she looked like. > > Thanks, > > -Dave > > > > > **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 > easy > steps! > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220572844x1201387506/aol?redir=htt > p:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26 > hmpgID%3D62%26bcd%3DAprilfooter420NO62) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NJHUDSON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NJHUDSON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NJHUDSON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NJHUDSON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I've wondered for years why none of the Boves served.  Maybe they pretended they didn't understand English.  They were in the US earlier than my Irish who, of course, arrived speaking English and had a leg up on everyone.    My other Germans, the Gansbergs, didn't arrive in Jersey City until 1866, just after the Civil War --- but the Boves were in the US in 1851.  They were good people, certainly.  One son was a priest and my great-grandfather would have been young -- he was born after they arrived in 1851 -- but Johann would have been the right age and the eldest, Georg Friedrich would have been about 36-37, with a lot of kids, when the war started. --- On Mon, 4/20/09, AnnWicki@aol.com <AnnWicki@aol.com> wrote: From: AnnWicki@aol.com <AnnWicki@aol.com> Subject: Re: [NJHUDSON] Documents w/ Persons Description on it? To: njhudson@rootsweb.com Date: Monday, April 20, 2009, 11:05 PM With reference to the fourth paragraph, but we have lots of photos of the West Hoboken Germans (none of whom served in the Civil War, interestingly). I have a relative that came over from Germany and served in the Civil War, he was wounded, died in 1926 and is buried in upstate New York. Ann in Farmingdale, NJ Genealogy: The Past Revisited _http://ngeorgia.com/history/nghisttt.html_ (http://ngeorgia.com/history/nghisttt.html) The Trail of Tears - Cherokee Indians forcibly removed from North Georgia In a message dated 4/20/2009 11:46:47 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, maureen1024@yahoo.com writes: My Irish-American great-grandfather had a "pass through the lines" in the Civil War to let him get home to New York from Virginia. It very carefully described him as "gray eyes, fair, medium build" -- WOW! so now we know everything! Or not? It was typed on tan-colored paper about 5 inches across X 8 inches. It is a treasure. But we need to remember that the life and times were very different and we cannot have unrealistic expectations. We won't find videos of our great-grannies running a stoplight as one can find in Chicago now (I just MAY have starred in one of those this morning!) We have no photos of the New York Irish in that generation, either, and only the above description -- but we have lots of photos of the West Hoboken Germans (none of whom served in the Civil War, interestingly). It may have been a question of who could afford to hire a photographer and who had relatives elsewhere to whom they were writing and sending photos, and whose mother wanted a photo. My Irish immigrants were both Great Famine immigrants who were raised in Irish orphanages, then turned out at age 15 to fend for themselves -- so they had no one taking their First Communion pictures and such, no family traditions they knew of -- and they were lucky to get a crust of bread. I just bless and thank them for their grit and determination because I have certainly had a good life due to their strong wills and courage! --- On Mon, 4/20/09, Jeanne Thomas <gthomas1@tampabay.rr.com> wrote: From: Jeanne Thomas <gthomas1@tampabay.rr.com> Subject: Re: [NJHUDSON] Documents w/ Persons Description on it? To: njhudson@rootsweb.com Date: Monday, April 20, 2009, 7:24 PM When I was searching for naturalization info about my GGM, I recall being advised that a woman would not have naturalization records of her own, as her citizenship would have come through her husband at the time of marriage. Is this information incorrect? Jeanne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stickman" <stick_man@comcast.net> To: <njhudson@rootsweb.com>; <davidstroebel@yahoo.com> Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 6:42 PM Subject: Re: [NJHUDSON] Documents w/ Persons Description on it? >I would request the naturalization paper from the Hudson County Clerk > office. > (http://www.hudsoncountyclerk.org/) > > NATURALIZATION RECORDS - Phone: (201) 795-5678 > > Naturalization Records from 1840 to 1989 can be obtained from the Office > of > the Clerk of Hudson County. To request a Naturalization Record Search you > must send a written request and include the following information: > > The full name, date, and place of birth of the Naturalized Person > The names of his/her spouse and children > The approximate date of his/her immigration to the United States > The approximate date of his/her Naturalization or filing of his/her first > paper > Any other name(s) he/she may have used > His/Her address at the time of Naturalization > > This written request, along with a $3.00 search fee (money order only made > payable to "Clerk of Hudson County") should be mailed to: > > Office of the Clerk of Hudson County > Division of Passports > 595 Newark Avenue, Suite 407A > Jersey City, NJ 07306 > > Once the record(s) is found, an additional $2.00 per page copy fee will be > charged to the requestor. A request for a letter of verification is $5.00, > and a request for the certification of documents is $10.00 per document. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: njhudson-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:njhudson-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Lindabr25@aol.com > Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 11:34 AM > To: davidstroebel@yahoo.com; NJHUDSON@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [NJHUDSON] Documents w/ Persons Description on it? > > > > Hi, > I have the same question about my GGM from an Irish family. She died > around 1907 in Jersey City from TB. > So I would also like to know the answer to this. > Linda in Indianapolis > > > > In a message dated 4/20/2009 10:26:24 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > davidstroebel@yahoo.com writes: > > > My GGM lived in Jersey City from 1883 to 1911. She was a German immigrant > and died in 1911. Can someone please tell me what documents existed that > would contain her name, date of birth, height, weight, eye & hair color? > > I already have her death certificate. She became a citizen when her > husband filed papers. I'm thinking in the way of a driver's license, some > kind of > application, etc. There are no known photographs of her, or any > indication > of what she looked like. > > Thanks, > > -Dave > > > > > **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 > easy > steps! > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220572844x1201387506/aol?redir=htt > p:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26 > hmpgID%3D62%26bcd%3DAprilfooter420NO62) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NJHUDSON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NJHUDSON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NJHUDSON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NJHUDSON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NJHUDSON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

My Irish-American great-grandfather had a "pass through the lines" in the Civil War to let him get home to New York from Virginia.  It very carefully described him as "gray eyes, fair, medium build" -- WOW! so now we know everything!  Or not?    It was typed on tan-colored paper about 5 inches across X 8 inches. It is a treasure.    But we need to remember that the life and times were very different and we cannot have unrealistic expectations.  We won't find videos of our great-grannies running a stoplight as one can find in Chicago now (I just MAY have starred in one of those this morning!)   We have no photos of the New York Irish in that generation, either, and only the above description -- but we have lots of photos of the West Hoboken Germans (none of whom served in the Civil War, interestingly).  It may have been a question of who could afford to hire a photographer and who had relatives elsewhere to whom they were writing and sending photos, and whose mother wanted a photo.    My Irish immigrants were both Great Famine immigrants who were raised in Irish orphanages, then turned out at age 15 to fend for themselves -- so they had no one taking their First Communion pictures and such, no family traditions they knew of -- and they were lucky to get a crust of bread.    I just bless and thank them for their grit and determination because I have certainly had a good life due to their strong wills and courage! --- On Mon, 4/20/09, Jeanne Thomas <gthomas1@tampabay.rr.com> wrote: From: Jeanne Thomas <gthomas1@tampabay.rr.com> Subject: Re: [NJHUDSON] Documents w/ Persons Description on it? To: njhudson@rootsweb.com Date: Monday, April 20, 2009, 7:24 PM When I was searching for naturalization info about my GGM, I recall being advised that a woman would not have naturalization records of her own, as her citizenship would have come through her husband at the time of marriage. Is this information incorrect? Jeanne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stickman" <stick_man@comcast.net> To: <njhudson@rootsweb.com>; <davidstroebel@yahoo.com> Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 6:42 PM Subject: Re: [NJHUDSON] Documents w/ Persons Description on it? >I would request the naturalization paper from the Hudson County Clerk > office. > (http://www.hudsoncountyclerk.org/) > > NATURALIZATION RECORDS - Phone: (201) 795-5678 > > Naturalization Records from 1840 to 1989 can be obtained from the Office > of > the Clerk of Hudson County. To request a Naturalization Record Search you > must send a written request and include the following information: > > The full name, date, and place of birth of the Naturalized Person > The names of his/her spouse and children > The approximate date of his/her immigration to the United States > The approximate date of his/her Naturalization or filing of his/her first > paper > Any other name(s) he/she may have used > His/Her address at the time of Naturalization > > This written request, along with a $3.00 search fee (money order only made > payable to "Clerk of Hudson County") should be mailed to: > > Office of the Clerk of Hudson County > Division of Passports > 595 Newark Avenue, Suite 407A > Jersey City, NJ 07306 > > Once the record(s) is found, an additional $2.00 per page copy fee will be > charged to the requestor. A request for a letter of verification is $5.00, > and a request for the certification of documents is $10.00 per document. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: njhudson-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:njhudson-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Lindabr25@aol.com > Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 11:34 AM > To: davidstroebel@yahoo.com; NJHUDSON@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [NJHUDSON] Documents w/ Persons Description on it? > > > > Hi, > I have the same question about my GGM from an Irish family. She died > around 1907 in Jersey City from TB. > So I would also like to know the answer to this. > Linda in Indianapolis > > > > In a message dated 4/20/2009 10:26:24 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > davidstroebel@yahoo.com writes: > > > My GGM lived in Jersey City from 1883 to 1911. She was a German immigrant > and died in 1911. Can someone please tell me what documents existed that > would contain her name, date of birth, height, weight, eye & hair color? > > I already have her death certificate. She became a citizen when her > husband filed papers. I'm thinking in the way of a driver's license, some > kind of > application, etc. There are no known photographs of her, or any > indication > of what she looked like. > > Thanks, > > -Dave > > > > > **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. 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When I was searching for naturalization info about my GGM, I recall being advised that a woman would not have naturalization records of her own, as her citizenship would have come through her husband at the time of marriage. Is this information incorrect? Jeanne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stickman" <stick_man@comcast.net> To: <njhudson@rootsweb.com>; <davidstroebel@yahoo.com> Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 6:42 PM Subject: Re: [NJHUDSON] Documents w/ Persons Description on it? >I would request the naturalization paper from the Hudson County Clerk > office. > (http://www.hudsoncountyclerk.org/) > > NATURALIZATION RECORDS - Phone: (201) 795-5678 > > Naturalization Records from 1840 to 1989 can be obtained from the Office > of > the Clerk of Hudson County. To request a Naturalization Record Search you > must send a written request and include the following information: > > The full name, date, and place of birth of the Naturalized Person > The names of his/her spouse and children > The approximate date of his/her immigration to the United States > The approximate date of his/her Naturalization or filing of his/her first > paper > Any other name(s) he/she may have used > His/Her address at the time of Naturalization > > This written request, along with a $3.00 search fee (money order only made > payable to "Clerk of Hudson County") should be mailed to: > > Office of the Clerk of Hudson County > Division of Passports > 595 Newark Avenue, Suite 407A > Jersey City, NJ 07306 > > Once the record(s) is found, an additional $2.00 per page copy fee will be > charged to the requestor. A request for a letter of verification is $5.00, > and a request for the certification of documents is $10.00 per document. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: njhudson-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:njhudson-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Lindabr25@aol.com > Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 11:34 AM > To: davidstroebel@yahoo.com; NJHUDSON@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [NJHUDSON] Documents w/ Persons Description on it? > > > > Hi, > I have the same question about my GGM from an Irish family. She died > around 1907 in Jersey City from TB. > So I would also like to know the answer to this. > Linda in Indianapolis > > > > In a message dated 4/20/2009 10:26:24 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > davidstroebel@yahoo.com writes: > > > My GGM lived in Jersey City from 1883 to 1911. She was a German immigrant > and died in 1911. Can someone please tell me what documents existed that > would contain her name, date of birth, height, weight, eye & hair color? > > I already have her death certificate. She became a citizen when her > husband filed papers. I'm thinking in the way of a driver's license, some > kind of > application, etc. There are no known photographs of her, or any > indication > of what she looked like. > > Thanks, > > -Dave > > > > > **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 > easy > steps! > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220572844x1201387506/aol?redir=htt > p:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26 > hmpgID%3D62%26bcd%3DAprilfooter420NO62) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NJHUDSON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NJHUDSON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I would request the naturalization paper from the Hudson County Clerk office. (http://www.hudsoncountyclerk.org/) NATURALIZATION RECORDS - Phone: (201) 795-5678 Naturalization Records from 1840 to 1989 can be obtained from the Office of the Clerk of Hudson County. To request a Naturalization Record Search you must send a written request and include the following information: The full name, date, and place of birth of the Naturalized Person The names of his/her spouse and children The approximate date of his/her immigration to the United States The approximate date of his/her Naturalization or filing of his/her first paper Any other name(s) he/she may have used His/Her address at the time of Naturalization This written request, along with a $3.00 search fee (money order only made payable to "Clerk of Hudson County") should be mailed to: Office of the Clerk of Hudson County Division of Passports 595 Newark Avenue, Suite 407A Jersey City, NJ 07306 Once the record(s) is found, an additional $2.00 per page copy fee will be charged to the requestor. A request for a letter of verification is $5.00, and a request for the certification of documents is $10.00 per document. -----Original Message----- From: njhudson-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:njhudson-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Lindabr25@aol.com Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 11:34 AM To: davidstroebel@yahoo.com; NJHUDSON@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NJHUDSON] Documents w/ Persons Description on it? Hi, I have the same question about my GGM from an Irish family. She died around 1907 in Jersey City from TB. So I would also like to know the answer to this. Linda in Indianapolis In a message dated 4/20/2009 10:26:24 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, davidstroebel@yahoo.com writes: My GGM lived in Jersey City from 1883 to 1911. She was a German immigrant and died in 1911. Can someone please tell me what documents existed that would contain her name, date of birth, height, weight, eye & hair color? I already have her death certificate. She became a citizen when her husband filed papers. I'm thinking in the way of a driver's license, some kind of application, etc. There are no known photographs of her, or any indication of what she looked like. Thanks, -Dave **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220572844x1201387506/aol?redir=htt p:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26 hmpgID%3D62%26bcd%3DAprilfooter420NO62) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NJHUDSON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Yes, Jeanne. The hudson county clerk's office told me that and that is why only my GGF had papers on file and not his wife or three children. Dave --- On Mon, 4/20/09, Jeanne Thomas <gthomas1@tampabay.rr.com> wrote: > From: Jeanne Thomas <gthomas1@tampabay.rr.com> > Subject: Re: [NJHUDSON] Documents w/ Persons Description on it? > To: njhudson@rootsweb.com > Date: Monday, April 20, 2009, 5:24 PM > When I was searching for naturalization info about my GGM, I > recall being > advised that a woman would not have naturalization records > of her own, as > her citizenship would have come through her husband at the > time of marriage. > Is this information incorrect? > > Jeanne > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stickman" <stick_man@comcast.net> > To: <njhudson@rootsweb.com>; > <davidstroebel@yahoo.com> > Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 6:42 PM > Subject: Re: [NJHUDSON] Documents w/ Persons Description on > it? > > > >I would request the naturalization paper from the > Hudson County Clerk > > office. > > (http://www.hudsoncountyclerk.org/) > > > > NATURALIZATION RECORDS - Phone: (201) 795-5678 > > > > Naturalization Records from 1840 to 1989 can be > obtained from the Office > > of > > the Clerk of Hudson County. To request a > Naturalization Record Search you > > must send a written request and include the following > information: > > > > The full name, date, and place of birth of the > Naturalized Person > > The names of his/her spouse and children > > The approximate date of his/her immigration to the > United States > > The approximate date of his/her Naturalization or > filing of his/her first > > paper > > Any other name(s) he/she may have used > > His/Her address at the time of Naturalization > > > > This written request, along with a $3.00 search fee > (money order only made > > payable to "Clerk of Hudson County") should > be mailed to: > > > > Office of the Clerk of Hudson County > > Division of Passports > > 595 Newark Avenue, Suite 407A > > Jersey City, NJ 07306 > > > > Once the record(s) is found, an additional $2.00 per > page copy fee will be > > charged to the requestor. A request for a letter of > verification is $5.00, > > and a request for the certification of documents is > $10.00 per document. > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: njhudson-bounces@rootsweb.com > > [mailto:njhudson-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of > Lindabr25@aol.com > > Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 11:34 AM > > To: davidstroebel@yahoo.com; NJHUDSON@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [NJHUDSON] Documents w/ Persons > Description on it? > > > > > > > > Hi, > > I have the same question about my GGM from an Irish > family. She died > > around 1907 in Jersey City from TB. > > So I would also like to know the answer to this. > > Linda in Indianapolis > > > > > > > > In a message dated 4/20/2009 10:26:24 A.M. Eastern > Daylight Time, > > davidstroebel@yahoo.com writes: > > > > > > My GGM lived in Jersey City from 1883 to 1911. She > was a German immigrant > > and died in 1911. Can someone please tell me what > documents existed that > > would contain her name, date of birth, height, > weight, eye & hair color? > > > > I already have her death certificate. She became a > citizen when her > > husband filed papers. I'm thinking in the way of a > driver's license, some > > kind of > > application, etc. There are no known photographs of > her, or any > > indication > > of what she looked like. > > > > Thanks, > > > > -Dave > > > > > > > > > > **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See > yours in just 2 > > easy > > steps! > > > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220572844x1201387506/aol?redir=htt > > > p:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26 > > hmpgID%3D62%26bcd%3DAprilfooter420NO62) > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > NJHUDSON-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > NJHUDSON-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NJHUDSON-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

Dave The city directories will have the associations and clubs. Around that time Hoboken's ethnic makeup was mostly German. You'll find several German assoc. and clubs in Jersey City and Hoboken at that time. The Mormons have the films of the directories. MIKE -----Original Message----- From: njhudson-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:njhudson-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of David Stroebel Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 3:05 PM To: njhudson@rootsweb.com Subject: [NJHUDSON] German Associations in Jersey City 1883-1915 Can someone please tell me if there were any German associations in Jersey City (or in the area) between 1883-1915? I am trying to find out if my ancestors belonged to one when they lived in Jersey City from 1883-1915. Thanks, -Dave ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NJHUDSON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Linda, I just replied to Dave as well.. I believe it is the Natualization papers on Ancestry that have some pictures.. I will have to check.. No.. sorry Dave it is the Passport Applications... I would be willing to look up your names if you have dates etc.. Susan ----- Original Message ----- From: <Lindabr25@aol.com> To: <davidstroebel@yahoo.com>; <NJHUDSON@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 11:33 AM Subject: Re: [NJHUDSON] Documents w/ Persons Description on it? > > Hi, > I have the same question about my GGM from an Irish family. She died > around 1907 in Jersey City from TB. > So I would also like to know the answer to this. > Linda in Indianapolis > > > > In a message dated 4/20/2009 10:26:24 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > davidstroebel@yahoo.com writes: > > > My GGM lived in Jersey City from 1883 to 1911. She was a German immigrant > and died in 1911. Can someone please tell me what documents existed that > would contain her name, date of birth, height, weight, eye & hair color? > > I already have her death certificate. She became a citizen when her > husband filed papers. I'm thinking in the way of a driver's license, some > kind of > application, etc. There are no known photographs of her, or any > indication > of what she looked like. > > Thanks, > > -Dave > > > > > **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 > easy > steps! > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220572844x1201387506/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26 > hmpgID%3D62%26bcd%3DAprilfooter420NO62) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NJHUDSON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi, Well, you may have luck with Ellis Island records. The passenger records sometimes told of the looks of an individual. Also, you may wish to see if you relative applied for a passport. Passport records are searchable on Ancestry.com. Passport records list everything sometimes even a photo. Jill -----Original Message----- From: Lindabr25@aol.com To: davidstroebel@yahoo.com; NJHUDSON@rootsweb.com Sent: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 11:33 am Subject: Re: [NJHUDSON] Documents w/ Persons Description on it? Hi, I have the same question about my GGM from an Irish family. She died around 1907 in Jersey City from TB. So I would also like to know the answer to this. Linda in Indianapolis In a message dated 4/20/2009 10:26:24 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, davidstroebel@yahoo.com writes: My GGM lived in Jersey City from 1883 to 1911. She was a German immigrant and died in 1911. Can someone please tell me what documents existed that would contain her name, date of birth, height, weight, eye & hair color? I already have her death certificate. She became a citizen when her husband filed papers. I'm thinking in the way of a driver's license, some kind of application, etc. There are no known photographs of her, or any indication of what she looked like. Thanks, -Dave **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220572844x1201387506/aol?redir= http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26 hmpgID%3D62%26bcd%3DAprilfooter420NO62) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NJHUDSON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The only one I know of would be a passport document and would only apply if they HAD a passport. If the ancestor is male you may get that info from the draft cards for WWI and WWII. Other than that, I know of no other document. Liz On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 11:33 AM, <Lindabr25@aol.com> wrote: > > Hi, > I have the same question about my GGM from an Irish family. She died > around 1907 in Jersey City from TB. > So I would also like to know the answer to this. > Linda in Indianapolis > > > > In a message dated 4/20/2009 10:26:24 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > davidstroebel@yahoo.com writes: > > > My GGM lived in Jersey City from 1883 to 1911. She was a German immigrant > and died in 1911. Can someone please tell me what documents existed that > would contain her name, date of birth, height, weight, eye & hair color? > > I already have her death certificate. She became a citizen when her > husband filed papers. I'm thinking in the way of a driver's license, some > kind of > application, etc. There are no known photographs of her, or any indication > of what she looked like. > > Thanks, > > -Dave > > > > > **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy > steps! > ( > http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220572844x1201387506/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26 > hmpgID%3D62%26bcd%3DAprilfooter420NO62) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NJHUDSON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Can someone please tell me if there were any German associations in Jersey City (or in the area) between 1883-1915? I am trying to find out if my ancestors belonged to one when they lived in Jersey City from 1883-1915. Thanks, -Dave

Hi, I have the same question about my GGM from an Irish family. She died around 1907 in Jersey City from TB. So I would also like to know the answer to this. Linda in Indianapolis In a message dated 4/20/2009 10:26:24 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, davidstroebel@yahoo.com writes: My GGM lived in Jersey City from 1883 to 1911. She was a German immigrant and died in 1911. Can someone please tell me what documents existed that would contain her name, date of birth, height, weight, eye & hair color? I already have her death certificate. She became a citizen when her husband filed papers. I'm thinking in the way of a driver's license, some kind of application, etc. There are no known photographs of her, or any indication of what she looked like. Thanks, -Dave **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220572844x1201387506/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26 hmpgID%3D62%26bcd%3DAprilfooter420NO62)

My GGM lived in Jersey City from 1883 to 1911. She was a German immigrant and died in 1911. Can someone please tell me what documents existed that would contain her name, date of birth, height, weight, eye & hair color? I already have her death certificate. She became a citizen when her husband filed papers. I'm thinking in the way of a driver's license, some kind of application, etc. There are no known photographs of her, or any indication of what she looked like. Thanks, -Dave

OOPS! In my haste to get the word out, I omitted the date of the bus tour. It is saturday, May 9th. SORRY!

LOST CEMETERIES LECTURE AND BUS TOUR The Hudson County Genealogical Society and The Jersey City Landmarks Conservancy, in celebration of Preservation Month 2009, will co-sponsor a lecture and bus tour entitles “The Lost Cemeteries of Hudson County.” The event will begin with a lecture by historians Richard Veit and Mark Nonestied entitled “Stranger Stop and Cast and Eye,” an informative lecture on the last four hundred years of New Jersey cemetery and tombstone design. Richard and Mark are the authors of the recently published “New Jersey Cemeteries and Tombstones: History in the Landscape.” They will discuss the evolution of burial sites and grave markers from the seventeenth century to the dawn of the twenty-first century. Such topics as colonial gravestones, stone carvers, Victorian cemeteries, monuments, mausoleums, and ethnic and cultural burial grounds will be discussed. The lecture will be held in the Panasonic Room of the Secaucus Public Library, at 1379 Paterson Plank Road, (www.secaucus.bccls.org) and will start promptly at 10:00 am. The meeting will be followed by a bus tour of four of Hudson County cemeteries in different stages of the histories: Hudson County Cemetery, or Snake Hill Cemetery, which has ceased to exist and has been replaced by a New Jersey Turnpike Exit; Speer Cemetery, which has been abandoned for over one hundred years and sits forlornly in the middle of Jersey City; Old Bergen Reformed Church Cemetery, which sits across from Speer and hold some of the earliest Hudson Count residents including Jane Tuers, a heroine of the American Revolution; and Historic Jersey City-Harsimus Cemetery which, if not for a dedicated band of local activists, would likely follow the same path as other forgotten cemeteries. The tour starts first at the Secaucus Library and then everyone will drive to Snake Hill to park and where buses will pick up tourists. Cost is $5.00 for HCGS members, $10.00 for others to defray the cost of the meeting and buses. Checks made out to Hudson County Genealogical Society may be mailed, by May 4, to HCGS, 135 Irving Street, Jersey City, NJ 07307. Go to the HCGS website, www.hudsoncountynjgenealogy.org, and fill out the registration form if you are planning to attend. Reservation box is on the right side of the home page.