I am researching the family of Charles Orton Richards, b. 1829 in MA. Charles was a bridge builder who lived for about 20 years in Springfield, MA. In 1880, he was in Manhattan (W. 42nd Street), NY. In 1910 he was on the census in North Bergen Ward 3, Hudson County, NJ. Charles' daughter Effie May, b. 1868 in Springfield, MA, married George B. Meneely, the owner of Meneely's Bakery in West Hoboken. Their children were Marian B. Meneely and Howard R. Meneely. On the 1930 census, Howard was living in Roselle (Roselle Park), Union County, Dist 140. He was 33 years old, living with his wife Emelia (age 24) and daughter Jane (June?), less than a year old. I am specifically looking for the death date of Charles Orton Richards which, I believe, can only be found in his obituary. I would appreciate the names of local newspapers in the North Bergan area which might have carried his obit. Any information on the Richards/Meneely families would be most greatly appreciated. I will be happy to share what I have. Ann

Jill, This might now be the Grove Church, which has a cemetery in which my ancestor (MASTERS) is buried. I believe the current building was built after a major fire ca. 1970. Grove Church Cemetery Hudson County, New Jersey 1132 46th St North Bergen, NJ 07047 201-863-0432 http://www.grovereformedchurch.org/site/frame.html [email protected] Some records might have been lost in the fire. I don't think they were filmed by the LDS (at least I could not locate any). However, they do have a book about it: Title The Centennial of the Grove Reformed Church, North Bergen, New Jersey, April twelfth, nineteen forth-three Authors Grove Reformed Church (North Bergen, New Jersey) (Subject) Notes Microfilm of original published: [S.L.] : The Consistory, 1943. 84 p. ill. At head of title: 1843-1943. Subjects New Jersey, Hudson, North Bergen - Church history Format Books/Monographs (On Film) Publication Salt Lake City, Utah : Filmed by the Genealogical Society of Utah, 1990 Physical on 1 microfilm reel ; 35 mm. Film Notes Note - Location [Film] FHL US/CAN Film [ 1704238 Item 10 ] --Noelle At 12:55 PM 7/23/2006, [email protected] wrote: > > >Hi Everyone, > >Has anyone ever heard of the Reformed Church in New Durham? An ancestor >claims it was as in North Bergen. Generally speaking I am looking >at 1902 or >so. I don't think this church exists any longer but may have been >absorbed by >another congregation. > >Also, would anyone know if North Bergen has marriage records that date this >far back? Is this another issue I will have to take to the state? > >Jill > >Jill A. Pierson >[email protected] and [email protected]

Hi Everyone, Has anyone ever heard of the Reformed Church in New Durham? An ancestor claims it was as in North Bergen. Generally speaking I am looking at 1902 or so. I don't think this church exists any longer but may have been absorbed by another congregation. Also, would anyone know if North Bergen has marriage records that date this far back? Is this another issue I will have to take to the state? Jill Jill A. Pierson [email protected] and [email protected] "The truth is this, the march of Providence is so slow and our desires so impatient; the work of progress is so immense and our means of aiding it so feeble; the life of humanity is so long, that of the individual so brief, that we often see only the ebb of the advancing wave and are thus discouraged. It is history that teaches us to hope." Robert E. Lee

Would someone please look for a John Annett on the 1920. He was the informant on a death cert. in 1917 and lived at 193 Myrtle Ave. I would like to know if he is the father, son or brother of the deceased. Thanks for any assistance. I recently moved and just got my computer up and running. Dolores

In 1920 the only one I found was John (b. 1879) age 41 - NJ Foreman Post Office living at 389 Forest St. Jersey City wife Bertha - 41 son Thomas - 17 dau Gertrude 11 ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, July 21, 2006 6:34 PM Subject: [NJHUDSON-L] Annett on 1920 Census in Jersey City > Would someone please look for a John Annett on the 1920. He was the > informant on a death cert. in 1917 and lived at 193 Myrtle Ave. I would > like to know if he is the father, son or brother of the deceased. Thanks > for any assistance. I recently moved and just got my computer up and > running. Dolores > > > ==== NJHUDSON Mailing List ==== > Your donations to RootsWeb makes NJHUDSON possible. > RootsWeb Gen. Data Coop. Box 6798 Frazier Park, CA 93222 > http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/how-to-subscribe.html >

If the person died in that asylum, send for a copy of the Death Certificate from the Vital Satistics Office. The copy you'll get back is the asylum's DC with information from their records. Gail Upstate NY

Hi Linda, The address where you can write for information or inquire in person about the Hudson County Insane Asylum County of Hudson Department of Health and Human Services Meadowview Psychiatric Hospital 595 COunty Avenue, Secaucus, NJ 07901 Department of Health Information 201-319-3660 A reply recieved fromt hem State "There are log books going back to 1929." Good luck with your research Best Regards, Bill T. Hastings Graveinfo.com BayonneHistory.com >From: [email protected] >To: [email protected] >Subject: [NJHUDSON-L] Hudson County Insane Asylum >Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 17:06:16 EDT > >My great grandfather (Ludwig/Louis Heuer/Hyer/Higher) was in the Hudson >County Insane Asylum in 1930. My mother said that he was there because he >was >injured in the Black Tom Explosion. How do I find out how long he was >there and >for what reason was he there? Is there any info out there on the asylum? > >Thanks, >Linda > > >==== NJHUDSON Mailing List ==== > New people subscribe to and unsubscribe from the list each week. > You are encouraged to resubmit your queries two or three times > per year to reach new listmembers. >

Hi Bob Leonard, I think what you are looking for, Bob, is the Archives of the Roman Catholic Arch-diocese of Newark, NJ, which are now housed on the campus of Seton Hall University, and you are right to deal with the women research librarians there at the Archives because we spent years getting nowhere with the Archdiocesan Archivist himself, a priest who seemed never to be at work there at the Archives during the time of our need. If a friend had not known the Archivist and provided a letter of introduction, we could have been "on our way" about two years sooner! That was perhaps 10-12 years ago and we paid something like $8 or $9 an hour for a terrific amount of information that was gathered by a woman professional at the Archives who knew what she was doing and knew her source materials well .... in just 90 minutes! Total bill with copies of the baptismal and marriage and confirmation records for several generations .... plus postage and all was about $25 or something like that .... probably more now, of course .... but so well worth it if you are out-of-state, as we are. Orphanages, rightly or wrongly, were operating under state laws and individual judicial decisions in each child's case. Each child was his own individual court case. There was a terrible legal cloud of secrecy over their operations in the 1940s, at the behest of the social workers, child protection agencies and others who were caring for these children .... and the notion throughout society at that time that "gone should be forgotten." My guess is that your problems have less to do with the RC Church and more to do with the fact that St. Joseph's moved to New York state and thus was operating under the laws of two states at various times in our lifetimes --- and additionally it has to do with the legalities to which THEY (the authorities) must adhere in attempting to provide you with information. For one not used to all the "legal foldarol," it can be difficult indeed. But I believe if you could see what my great-grandmother had to go through ..... and all the notarized witnesses she had to secure .... in order to get her Civil War widow's pension in 1899, then you'd have a better idea (as I now have) of the protections that are really put in place for our own good and the good of society. They are there to discourage and obstruct the "wrong guys!" Would you want another Robert Leonard to be able to secure all of your records, too? I think not!!! Just be patient, and try to understand and be grateful for the way they are protecting your information from people who might want to use it to hurt you or to take advantage of you in some way by using your identity! :-) Maureen from DMHS in Chicago Evelyn Huey <[email protected]> wrote: Phone # to call Seton Hall is 1-973-761-9476 - When going there make sure you stop at the little "house / gate" and get a pass - or you'll get a ticket like I did. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Leonard" To: Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 12:41 PM Subject: [NJHUDSON-L] St. Joseph Orphanage in Englewood >I was an "inmate" @ St. Joe's in the early 1940s and have been trying for > years to get info on myself, 2 brothers and 2 sisters, alas the catholic > charities is not very responsive. The latest debacle has been in their > system for more than 1 year. They put me through all kinds of hoops ( > notary > publics, etc.) and still no response. If you had an address for Seton Hall > it would be very helpful. Thank you, Robert Leonard > > > > ==== NJHUDSON Mailing List ==== > Your donations to RootsWeb makes NJHUDSON possible. > RootsWeb Gen. Data Coop. Box 6798 Frazier Park, CA 93222 > http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/how-to-subscribe.html > ==== NJHUDSON Mailing List ==== Your donations to RootsWeb makes NJHUDSON possible. RootsWeb Gen. Data Coop. Box 6798 Frazier Park, CA 93222 http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/how-to-subscribe.html --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Next-gen email? Have it all with the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta.

My great grandfather (Ludwig/Louis Heuer/Hyer/Higher) was in the Hudson County Insane Asylum in 1930. My mother said that he was there because he was injured in the Black Tom Explosion. How do I find out how long he was there and for what reason was he there? Is there any info out there on the asylum? Thanks, Linda

Phone # to call Seton Hall is 1-973-761-9476 - When going there make sure you stop at the little "house / gate" and get a pass - or you'll get a ticket like I did. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Leonard" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 12:41 PM Subject: [NJHUDSON-L] St. Joseph Orphanage in Englewood >I was an "inmate" @ St. Joe's in the early 1940s and have been trying for > years to get info on myself, 2 brothers and 2 sisters, alas the catholic > charities is not very responsive. The latest debacle has been in their > system for more than 1 year. They put me through all kinds of hoops ( > notary > publics, etc.) and still no response. If you had an address for Seton Hall > it would be very helpful. Thank you, Robert Leonard > > > > ==== NJHUDSON Mailing List ==== > Your donations to RootsWeb makes NJHUDSON possible. > RootsWeb Gen. Data Coop. Box 6798 Frazier Park, CA 93222 > http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/how-to-subscribe.html >

Seton Hall is on South Orange Avenue, in South Orange, New Jersey. The woman in charge of the collections is very helpful. Her name is Kate.........(forget the last name). You can make an appointment by phone. The collection is held in an area of the Walsh Library. Good luck Dee

I was an "inmate" @ St. Joe's in the early 1940s and have been trying for years to get info on myself, 2 brothers and 2 sisters, alas the catholic charities is not very responsive. The latest debacle has been in their system for more than 1 year. They put me through all kinds of hoops ( notary publics, etc.) and still no response. If you had an address for Seton Hall it would be very helpful. Thank you, Robert Leonard

Hi, I know this slightly off topic but it is my understanding that a lot of Hudson Country orphaned children wound up at the St. Joseph's Orphanage for Boys in Englewood Cliffs. Well, through the gracious efforts of someone (who I hope is on the list) I have discovered the records repository. The records are housed at Seton Hall University in Orange, NJ. Yes, it is the Seton Hall you hear about on the sport channels. I am not sure if it is Orange or South Orange but it is one of those towns. As for the moderator, I know this off topic but I thought it may help some member in their search. Jill Jill A. Pierson [email protected] and [email protected] "The truth is this, the march of Providence is so slow and our desires so impatient; the work of progress is so immense and our means of aiding it so feeble; the life of humanity is so long, that of the individual so brief, that we often see only the ebb of the advancing wave and are thus discouraged. It is history that teaches us to hope." Robert E. Lee

Dear Sandra, Thank you for this report. Ancestry has very recently added 1910 census index (every name) to your search possibilities. Dotty Sprague Cole Lake Mary, FL ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sandra" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2006 9:41 PM Subject: Re: [NJHUDSON-L] Heritage Quest & Pro Quest vs. Ancestry.com > > 1900- 1920 census index available on both Ancestry and Heritage > Quest( head of household). 1910 includes only head of household >

We just had a speaker at our Genealogy Society address "Using Online Censuses: A Comparison of Ancestry and Heritage Quest". Here is a bit of what she reported: Ancestry has Soundex and Wildcard searches 1790- 1820 census indexes available on both Ancestry and Heritage Quest 1830- 1840 census indexes available only on Ancestry, and includes Military field 1850 census index available only on Ancestry (gives every name) 1860- 1870 census index available on Ancestry (every name) and Heritage quest (head of household) 1880 census index (every name) available on Family Search.org and Ancestry and includes birthplace of father and mother 1900- 1920 census index available on both Ancestry and Heritage Quest( head of household). 1910 includes only head of household 1930 census index (every name) available on Ancestry, partial head of household on Heritage Quest To read more, the original article was published by the Livermore- Amador Genealogical Society in The Livermore Roots Tracer and posted online at: Part One (25: 4, November 2005): http://www.l-ags.org/tracer/vol_25_4.html-Indexes Part Two (26: 1, February 2006): http://www.l-ags.org/tracer/vol_26_1.html-Censuses I don't have any info about Pro Quest. <[email protected]> wrote: Does Heritage Quest & Pro Quest offer any different information than I can get on Ancestry.com? ==== NJHUDSON Mailing List ==== Visit the Hudson County N.J. GenWeb page at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhudson/ --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta.

Thank you, Dotty. Although I don't use Ancestry 8 hours a day I have been a member for the last six years and a deeply grateful one, too. Folks, one must understand a bit of the history of Hudson County as one approaches the Census. In the 1800s and early 1900s, the county was teeming with immigrants. The ships from Germany unloaded at Weehawken and Jersey City -- and the Irish and Italians sailed over on the ferries from New York on the east side of the river for the good jobs and land available on the west bank in Hudson County. The Census Enumerator's ethnicity and culture played an important role in how the Census was filled out. These were not folks whose families had lived in America for 200 years, but by and large they came from families of recent immigrants and often lived in ethnic neighborhoods. Later on, the WPA-worker's ethnicity and cultueral experiences played a large role in how the Census index cards were filled out during the Depression. And in Salt Lake City in the 1990sand 2000s, the mostly-Mormon people working on the 1880 Census (and some or all of the Ancestry.com projects) are the products of their own pretty-closed society. Few of these people really knew or cared whether there was a space in McHugh or not. They copied down what they saw or heard. All my life I have seen "Mc" names written both ways, so how can one blame Ancestry for one's perceived slight ... when some of one's own relatives spell it the other way and "Mc" is a separate section ahead of the "M" in most alphabetical files? In the 1800s, Irish-born enumerators could barely understand the German accents and vice versa. In my family, a man named Felix was listed as "Flees," not by Ancestry but by the person who came to his door. My dad's Irish Aunt Catherine was always listed as Catharine or Katharine by enumerators with German-sounding names in Hudson County. Sometimes the spelling is correct, we just can't read the letters correcly because the enumerator used a German letter that looked like one of ours but really wasn't anything like it! My great-grandmother's maiden name has been spelled 11 different ways in Hudson County records -- by the various persons recording the information at the time. Sometimes it is filed as "W" -- sometimes as "V" (German pronunciation of W) and sometimes as "A" with a "von A." People wrote what they thought they heard. The LDS folks in Salt Lake City, who knew only their own mostly-Mormon culture, listed the Salvation Army Home in Jersey City as the SALNATION ARMY Home in their indexing of the 1880 Census. Now how could anyone make a mistake like that on an organization that is world-wide? I was at first amazed, then realized the religious and cultural divide between the Salvation Army (which I've known know well for most of my life) and the LDS indexers who had apparently never heard of it, never seen it in Salt Lake City, and all of whom were indeed doing their very best ..... and doing it for us! So lighten up, folks. Smile! Ancestry posts only as good as it receives. Have you come upon anything lately that YOU had never known? The problem is America, land of the free and home of the brave. Diverse people from all over the globe who have all come together here and made it work for all of us, despite differences. Let us rejoice and be glad for it! Maureen -- a former 9-year Census Bureau field researcher Dotty Cole <[email protected]> wrote: I have to reply to this email. I have a membership at ancestry.com and I would not give it up for anything. I use it at least 8 hours a day every day. Please do not blame ancestry for all your problems. Yes, they do have difficulty with unusual characters especially the characters you mentioned and with characters such as ø which appear in Danish names. When you consider what it took for us to have the census records on line, Ancestry is only a small part of that whole process. 1. The census enumerator had to follow his or her instructions and try to meet with the head of household. We all know that did not always happen. And even if it did, he may have written down a name incorrectly doing his or her best to write what was heard. My husband's great grandfather, Valentine Schneider, was enumerated in 1880 as Wallentine Snyder. The enumerator had a definitely English sounding name and Valentine had a very German accent. Then people way back then flipped between first and middle names frequently from one census to another. The person the enumerator actually spoke with needed to know how old each person in the household was and even their birth month in the 1900 census. 2. The enumerator had to enter the data he had collected at each household and had written down on "work pages" onto the actual pages we see today. If he did not have good handwriting, things might not be clear. If he used ink that faded, things might not be clear. If he did not know how to calculate, age might be wrong. And if anyone wanted to hide anything, such as how many children a woman had had, etc., the record could be wrong. 3. The census pages we see today had to be protected until such time as each and every page could be photographed. We all know what happened to the 1890 census. 4. The photographer and equipment needed to be accurate when these old records were finally photographed. Sometimes pages are blurred, sometimes the top or bottom of the page is black. I find that if you copy the page to your hard drive it is possible frequently to lighten the page enough to actually read what is there 5. Then we come to the transcribers. I have often wondered just how many transcribers it must have taken for all of this information to be available to us today. These transcribers were not as familiar with the families we are researching as we are today. They did the best they could. So please give Ancestry.com a break and just be thankful we have this wonderful tool to use. It might go away some day and we would be back to using the films at our local library. Use it while you can. I sometimes feel like a real detective gathering all the data--I like that feeling. Dotty Sprague Cole Lake Mary Florida Searching Schneider/Schmidt and Langrehr/Heittman in JC ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom O'Hare" To: Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2006 12:00 AM Subject: Re: [NJHUDSON-L] Re: NJHUDSON-D Digest V06 #99 > Hello Evelyn and List. > ANYONE RESEARCHING IRISH SURNAMES ON ANCESTRY.COM SHOULD READ THIS !!! > > Evelyn, I found your Thomas, Anna & son William McHugh in the 1930 > census and forwarded the image tio you. If you have not received it, > please contact me. > Ancestry.com has butchered the processing of some Irish surnames in > some of their programs, not just the census records. Names starting with > "Mc" such as McHugh were often erroneously transcribed as > Mc Hugh with a space between the Mc and the rest of the name. In the 1930 > census for Jersey City there are 77 McHughs found if you enter McHugh in > the search bloc. The problem is that there were about 130 McHughs in JC in > the 1930 census. If you input the name erroneously with a space between Mc > and Hugh (Mc Hugh), you will find another 53 McHughs that the original > search did not locate, including Evelyn's missing Thomas, Anna, and son > William. > Ancestry.com had also butchered the transcription of surnames begining > with "O' ". If you input my surname in the search bloc, the response will > be "Your Exact Search for O'Hare returned no matches." Ancestry has > dropped the apostrophe in names begining with O'. As a result you can > never get an accurate search response for those names without corrupting > the name, such as "ohare". > Ancestry has also input a number of O' names incorrectly by reporting > the O as a middle initial and the rest of the name as the surname.Thus in > 1930 in Binghamton, N.Y. Margaret O'Hare was incorrectly transcribed as > Margaret O. Hare, and is indexed under surname Hare, not her real surname > O'Hare. > Having a degree of poor quality in their product is one thing, but not > owning up to it is quite another. These flaws were reported to Ancestry by > me on several occasions, but they have ignored my complaints. Recently I > have filed a complaint with the BBB, Utah. > Use caution when using Ancestry.com for Mc and O' Irish surnames. > Tom O'Hare, Buffalo, N.Y. > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Saturday, July 15, 2006 9:27 PM > Subject: [NJHUDSON-L] Re: NJHUDSON-D Digest V06 #99 > > >> Anyone with access to the 1930 Federal Census for Jersey City could help >> me >> a great deal by sending me the image from my father's parent's entry. >> >> I spent years trying to find my Dad, Arthur McHugh and his parents Anna >> (Sprenger) and Thomas McHugh without success and thought the census had >> simply >> missed them when I could not find a baby Arthur anywhere that was the >> correct >> age with the correct parents. I did not have an exact DOB for Thomas, >> but I >> did know that Anna was born in 1909 or 10, depending upon whom and what >> you >> believed. >> >> Last weekend, I decided to give it one last shot by using the Ancestry >> free >> 3 day trial, and I found a couple with the correct names and ages living >> in >> JC with a baby "William" aged nine months. That Thomas was born in 1908, >> which >> fits the information I have and it apparently explained a part of the >> family >> rift that happened when my grandfather died in 1934 - that Irish >> Catholic >> "William" (named after Thomas' brother in law) became "Arthur", >> rechristened as >> a Lutheran and renamed after Anna's father's brother in law and lifelong >> best friend, Arthur Bowden when Anna returned home to live with her >> parents >> after her husband died. >> >> As you can guess, this filled in a lot of holes in family history for us, >> mainly why none of the McHugh's talked to the Sprengers until my late >> father was >> nearly fifty years old - and why Dad refused to have anything to do with >> religion or religious services or talk about his upbringing. >> >> I tried to send myself the image, but Ancestry sent me only a link, and >> will >> not let me access the information without plucking down my credit card >> for >> the infamous "14 day free trial", which I refuse to do. If anyone could >> send me >> the information, it would be very much appreciated. The three of them >> were >> living on Bartholdi Avenue, just a short way from the Sprenger's and >> McHugh's >> family homes. >> >> Thanks for any help - >> >> Evelyn McHugh >> Researching McHugh, Rehill, Sprenger and Kraft from Jersey City from >> 1900 - >> 1960. >> >> >> =epm= >> >> Ask not why the rose has thorns. >> Rather rejoice that the thornbush has a rose. >> - Anonymous >> >> >> ==== NJHUDSON Mailing List ==== >> New people subscribe to and unsubscribe from the list each week. >> You are encouraged to resubmit your queries two or three times >> per year to reach new listmembers. >> >> > > > > ==== NJHUDSON Mailing List ==== > Visit the Hudson County N.J. GenWeb page at: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhudson/ > > ==== NJHUDSON Mailing List ==== Visit the Hudson County N.J. GenWeb page at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhudson/ --------------------------------- Yahoo! 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Thanks, Dotty, for saying it so well!!! Those of us who started research in the 1960s (or earlier)- before census on line (actually before on-line)say a great big thank you every day we can use Ancestry.com. When the 1900 census was first released you had to go to DC (or pay someone to search) the microfilm. Than came the release of the 1910 census - joy!!!joy!!! And we hung around long enough for the 1920 - then miracle of miracles, the 1930 (I am a five year old in the 1930 census!!!) Sure hope I can hang around until 2012 for the release of the 1940 census!!! Floreda -----Original Message----- From: Dotty Cole [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2006 11:00 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [NJHUDSON-L] Re: NJHUDSON-D Digest V06 #99 I have to reply to this email. I have a membership at ancestry.com and I would not give it up for anything. I use it at least 8 hours a day every day. Please do not blame ancestry for all your problems. Yes, they do have difficulty with unusual characters especially the characters you mentioned and with characters such as ø which appear in Danish names. When you consider what it took for us to have the census records on line, Ancestry is only a small part of that whole process. 1. The census enumerator had to follow his or her instructions and try to meet with the head of household. We all know that did not always happen. And even if it did, he may have written down a name incorrectly doing his or her best to write what was heard. My husband's great grandfather, Valentine Schneider, was enumerated in 1880 as Wallentine Snyder. The enumerator had a definitely English sounding name and Valentine had a very German accent. Then people way back then flipped between first and middle names frequently from one census to another. The person the enumerator actually spoke with needed to know how old each person in the household was and even their birth month in the 1900 census. 2. The enumerator had to enter the data he had collected at each household and had written down on "work pages" onto the actual pages we see today. If he did not have good handwriting, things might not be clear. If he used ink that faded, things might not be clear. If he did not know how to calculate, age might be wrong. And if anyone wanted to hide anything, such as how many children a woman had had, etc., the record could be wrong. 3. The census pages we see today had to be protected until such time as each and every page could be photographed. We all know what happened to the 1890 census. 4. The photographer and equipment needed to be accurate when these old records were finally photographed. Sometimes pages are blurred, sometimes the top or bottom of the page is black. I find that if you copy the page to your hard drive it is possible frequently to lighten the page enough to actually read what is there 5. Then we come to the transcribers. I have often wondered just how many transcribers it must have taken for all of this information to be available to us today. These transcribers were not as familiar with the families we are researching as we are today. They did the best they could. So please give Ancestry.com a break and just be thankful we have this wonderful tool to use. It might go away some day and we would be back to using the films at our local library. Use it while you can. I sometimes feel like a real detective gathering all the data--I like that feeling. Dotty Sprague Cole Lake Mary Florida Searching Schneider/Schmidt and Langrehr/Heittman in JC ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom O'Hare" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2006 12:00 AM Subject: Re: [NJHUDSON-L] Re: NJHUDSON-D Digest V06 #99 > Hello Evelyn and List. > ANYONE RESEARCHING IRISH SURNAMES ON ANCESTRY.COM SHOULD READ THIS !!! > > Evelyn, I found your Thomas, Anna & son William McHugh in the 1930 > census and forwarded the image tio you. If you have not received it, > please contact me. > Ancestry.com has butchered the processing of some Irish surnames > in > some of their programs, not just the census records. Names starting with > "Mc" such as McHugh were often erroneously transcribed as > Mc Hugh with a space between the Mc and the rest of the name. In the 1930 > census for Jersey City there are 77 McHughs found if you enter McHugh in > the search bloc. The problem is that there were about 130 McHughs in JC in > the 1930 census. If you input the name erroneously with a space between Mc > and Hugh (Mc Hugh), you will find another 53 McHughs that the original > search did not locate, including Evelyn's missing Thomas, Anna, and son > William. > Ancestry.com had also butchered the transcription of surnames begining > with "O' ". If you input my surname in the search bloc, the response will > be "Your Exact Search for O'Hare returned no matches." Ancestry has > dropped the apostrophe in names begining with O'. As a result you can > never get an accurate search response for those names without corrupting > the name, such as "ohare". > Ancestry has also input a number of O' names incorrectly by reporting > the O as a middle initial and the rest of the name as the surname.Thus in > 1930 in Binghamton, N.Y. Margaret O'Hare was incorrectly transcribed as > Margaret O. Hare, and is indexed under surname Hare, not her real surname > O'Hare. > Having a degree of poor quality in their product is one thing, but not > owning up to it is quite another. These flaws were reported to Ancestry by > me on several occasions, but they have ignored my complaints. Recently I > have filed a complaint with the BBB, Utah. > Use caution when using Ancestry.com for Mc and O' Irish surnames. > Tom O'Hare, Buffalo, N.Y. > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, July 15, 2006 9:27 PM > Subject: [NJHUDSON-L] Re: NJHUDSON-D Digest V06 #99 > > >> Anyone with access to the 1930 Federal Census for Jersey City could >> help >> me >> a great deal by sending me the image from my father's parent's entry. >> >> I spent years trying to find my Dad, Arthur McHugh and his parents >> Anna >> (Sprenger) and Thomas McHugh without success and thought the census had >> simply >> missed them when I could not find a baby Arthur anywhere that was the >> correct >> age with the correct parents. I did not have an exact DOB for Thomas, >> but I >> did know that Anna was born in 1909 or 10, depending upon whom and what >> you >> believed. >> >> Last weekend, I decided to give it one last shot by using the >> Ancestry >> free >> 3 day trial, and I found a couple with the correct names and ages living >> in >> JC with a baby "William" aged nine months. That Thomas was born in 1908, >> which >> fits the information I have and it apparently explained a part of the >> family >> rift that happened when my grandfather died in 1934 - that Irish >> Catholic >> "William" (named after Thomas' brother in law) became "Arthur", >> rechristened as >> a Lutheran and renamed after Anna's father's brother in law and lifelong >> best friend, Arthur Bowden when Anna returned home to live with her >> parents >> after her husband died. >> >> As you can guess, this filled in a lot of holes in family history for >> us, mainly why none of the McHugh's talked to the Sprengers until my >> late father was nearly fifty years old - and why Dad refused to have >> anything to do with religion or religious services or talk about his >> upbringing. >> >> I tried to send myself the image, but Ancestry sent me only a link, >> and >> will >> not let me access the information without plucking down my credit card >> for >> the infamous "14 day free trial", which I refuse to do. If anyone could >> send me >> the information, it would be very much appreciated. The three of them >> were >> living on Bartholdi Avenue, just a short way from the Sprenger's and >> McHugh's >> family homes. >> >> Thanks for any help - >> >> Evelyn McHugh >> Researching McHugh, Rehill, Sprenger and Kraft from Jersey City from >> 1900 - 1960. >> >> >> =epm= >> >> Ask not why the rose has thorns. >> Rather rejoice that the thornbush has a rose. >> - Anonymous >> >> >> ==== NJHUDSON Mailing List ==== >> New people subscribe to and unsubscribe from the list each week. >> You are encouraged to resubmit your queries two or three times >> per year to reach new listmembers. >> >> > > > > ==== NJHUDSON Mailing List ==== > Visit the Hudson County N.J. GenWeb page at: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhudson/ > > ==== NJHUDSON Mailing List ==== Visit the Hudson County N.J. GenWeb page at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhudson/

Thanks, Dotty, for saying it so well!!! Those of us who started research in the 1960s (or earlier)- before census on line (actually before on-line)say a great big thank you every day we can use Ancestry.com. When the 1900 census was first released you had to go to DC (or pay someone to search) the microfilm. Than came the release of the 1910 census - joy!!!joy!!! And we hung around long enough for the 1920 - then miracle of miracles, the 1930 (I am a five year old in the 1930 census!!!) Sure hope I can hang around until 2012 for the release of the 1940 census!!! Floreda -----Original Message----- From: Dotty Cole [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2006 11:00 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [NJHUDSON-L] Re: NJHUDSON-D Digest V06 #99 I have to reply to this email. I have a membership at ancestry.com and I would not give it up for anything. I use it at least 8 hours a day every day. Please do not blame ancestry for all your problems. Yes, they do have difficulty with unusual characters especially the characters you mentioned and with characters such as ø which appear in Danish names. When you consider what it took for us to have the census records on line, Ancestry is only a small part of that whole process. 1. The census enumerator had to follow his or her instructions and try to meet with the head of household. We all know that did not always happen. And even if it did, he may have written down a name incorrectly doing his or her best to write what was heard. My husband's great grandfather, Valentine Schneider, was enumerated in 1880 as Wallentine Snyder. The enumerator had a definitely English sounding name and Valentine had a very German accent. Then people way back then flipped between first and middle names frequently from one census to another. The person the enumerator actually spoke with needed to know how old each person in the household was and even their birth month in the 1900 census. 2. The enumerator had to enter the data he had collected at each household and had written down on "work pages" onto the actual pages we see today. If he did not have good handwriting, things might not be clear. If he used ink that faded, things might not be clear. If he did not know how to calculate, age might be wrong. And if anyone wanted to hide anything, such as how many children a woman had had, etc., the record could be wrong. 3. The census pages we see today had to be protected until such time as each and every page could be photographed. We all know what happened to the 1890 census. 4. The photographer and equipment needed to be accurate when these old records were finally photographed. Sometimes pages are blurred, sometimes the top or bottom of the page is black. I find that if you copy the page to your hard drive it is possible frequently to lighten the page enough to actually read what is there 5. Then we come to the transcribers. I have often wondered just how many transcribers it must have taken for all of this information to be available to us today. These transcribers were not as familiar with the families we are researching as we are today. They did the best they could. So please give Ancestry.com a break and just be thankful we have this wonderful tool to use. It might go away some day and we would be back to using the films at our local library. Use it while you can. I sometimes feel like a real detective gathering all the data--I like that feeling. Dotty Sprague Cole Lake Mary Florida Searching Schneider/Schmidt and Langrehr/Heittman in JC ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom O'Hare" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2006 12:00 AM Subject: Re: [NJHUDSON-L] Re: NJHUDSON-D Digest V06 #99 > Hello Evelyn and List. > ANYONE RESEARCHING IRISH SURNAMES ON ANCESTRY.COM SHOULD READ THIS !!! > > Evelyn, I found your Thomas, Anna & son William McHugh in the 1930 > census and forwarded the image tio you. If you have not received it, > please contact me. > Ancestry.com has butchered the processing of some Irish surnames in > some of their programs, not just the census records. Names starting with > "Mc" such as McHugh were often erroneously transcribed as > Mc Hugh with a space between the Mc and the rest of the name. In the 1930 > census for Jersey City there are 77 McHughs found if you enter McHugh in > the search bloc. The problem is that there were about 130 McHughs in JC in > the 1930 census. If you input the name erroneously with a space between Mc > and Hugh (Mc Hugh), you will find another 53 McHughs that the original > search did not locate, including Evelyn's missing Thomas, Anna, and son > William. > Ancestry.com had also butchered the transcription of surnames begining > with "O' ". If you input my surname in the search bloc, the response will > be "Your Exact Search for O'Hare returned no matches." Ancestry has > dropped the apostrophe in names begining with O'. As a result you can > never get an accurate search response for those names without corrupting > the name, such as "ohare". > Ancestry has also input a number of O' names incorrectly by reporting > the O as a middle initial and the rest of the name as the surname.Thus in > 1930 in Binghamton, N.Y. Margaret O'Hare was incorrectly transcribed as > Margaret O. Hare, and is indexed under surname Hare, not her real surname > O'Hare. > Having a degree of poor quality in their product is one thing, but not > owning up to it is quite another. These flaws were reported to Ancestry by > me on several occasions, but they have ignored my complaints. Recently I > have filed a complaint with the BBB, Utah. > Use caution when using Ancestry.com for Mc and O' Irish surnames. > Tom O'Hare, Buffalo, N.Y. > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, July 15, 2006 9:27 PM > Subject: [NJHUDSON-L] Re: NJHUDSON-D Digest V06 #99 > > >> Anyone with access to the 1930 Federal Census for Jersey City could >> help >> me >> a great deal by sending me the image from my father's parent's entry. >> >> I spent years trying to find my Dad, Arthur McHugh and his parents >> Anna >> (Sprenger) and Thomas McHugh without success and thought the census had >> simply >> missed them when I could not find a baby Arthur anywhere that was the >> correct >> age with the correct parents. I did not have an exact DOB for Thomas, >> but I >> did know that Anna was born in 1909 or 10, depending upon whom and what >> you >> believed. >> >> Last weekend, I decided to give it one last shot by using the >> Ancestry >> free >> 3 day trial, and I found a couple with the correct names and ages living >> in >> JC with a baby "William" aged nine months. That Thomas was born in 1908, >> which >> fits the information I have and it apparently explained a part of the >> family >> rift that happened when my grandfather died in 1934 - that Irish >> Catholic >> "William" (named after Thomas' brother in law) became "Arthur", >> rechristened as >> a Lutheran and renamed after Anna's father's brother in law and lifelong >> best friend, Arthur Bowden when Anna returned home to live with her >> parents >> after her husband died. >> >> As you can guess, this filled in a lot of holes in family history for >> us, mainly why none of the McHugh's talked to the Sprengers until my >> late father was nearly fifty years old - and why Dad refused to have >> anything to do with religion or religious services or talk about his >> upbringing. >> >> I tried to send myself the image, but Ancestry sent me only a link, >> and >> will >> not let me access the information without plucking down my credit card >> for >> the infamous "14 day free trial", which I refuse to do. If anyone could >> send me >> the information, it would be very much appreciated. The three of them >> were >> living on Bartholdi Avenue, just a short way from the Sprenger's and >> McHugh's >> family homes. >> >> Thanks for any help - >> >> Evelyn McHugh >> Researching McHugh, Rehill, Sprenger and Kraft from Jersey City from >> 1900 - >> 1960. >> >> >> =epm= >> >> Ask not why the rose has thorns. >> Rather rejoice that the thornbush has a rose. >> - Anonymous >> >> >> ==== NJHUDSON Mailing List ==== >> New people subscribe to and unsubscribe from the list each week. >> You are encouraged to resubmit your queries two or three times >> per year to reach new listmembers. >> >> > > > > ==== NJHUDSON Mailing List ==== > Visit the Hudson County N.J. GenWeb page at: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhudson/ > > ==== NJHUDSON Mailing List ==== Visit the Hudson County N.J. GenWeb page at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhudson/

I am looking for information on the descendants of my grand uncle, Peter Daly of 196 Pavonia Avenue, Jersey City who died on December 3rd, 1952 as a result of a fire in his apartment. The fire was reported in The Jersey Journal of Wednesday 3rd December, 1952. In the death announcement that followed I learned that Peter was survived by two sons, Bernard and John and one daughter, Mrs. Mae Nicholas as well as 14 grandchildren and 9 great grandchildren. He and his wife Julia were pre-deceased by three sons, Peter, Paul and Matthew and two daughters Elizabeth O'Brien and Julia Firth. Elizabeth had one son,George O'Brien who was living with Peter and Julia according to the 1930 Census. Paul had three daughters, Theresa, Margaret and Claire who were living at 254, Ninth Street, Jersey City, with their mother Mary, in December 1952. Mae had two sons (names not known) who were both married before 1953. Any information on any of Peter's grandchildren or great grandchildren would be appreciated greatly. Thanking you all, Paddy Daly. ----------------------------------------------------------------- Find the home of your dreams with eircom net property Sign up for email alerts now http://www.eircom.net/propertyalerts

I have to reply to this email. I have a membership at ancestry.com and I would not give it up for anything. I use it at least 8 hours a day every day. Please do not blame ancestry for all your problems. Yes, they do have difficulty with unusual characters especially the characters you mentioned and with characters such as ø which appear in Danish names. When you consider what it took for us to have the census records on line, Ancestry is only a small part of that whole process. 1. The census enumerator had to follow his or her instructions and try to meet with the head of household. We all know that did not always happen. And even if it did, he may have written down a name incorrectly doing his or her best to write what was heard. My husband's great grandfather, Valentine Schneider, was enumerated in 1880 as Wallentine Snyder. The enumerator had a definitely English sounding name and Valentine had a very German accent. Then people way back then flipped between first and middle names frequently from one census to another. The person the enumerator actually spoke with needed to know how old each person in the household was and even their birth month in the 1900 census. 2. The enumerator had to enter the data he had collected at each household and had written down on "work pages" onto the actual pages we see today. If he did not have good handwriting, things might not be clear. If he used ink that faded, things might not be clear. If he did not know how to calculate, age might be wrong. And if anyone wanted to hide anything, such as how many children a woman had had, etc., the record could be wrong. 3. The census pages we see today had to be protected until such time as each and every page could be photographed. We all know what happened to the 1890 census. 4. The photographer and equipment needed to be accurate when these old records were finally photographed. Sometimes pages are blurred, sometimes the top or bottom of the page is black. I find that if you copy the page to your hard drive it is possible frequently to lighten the page enough to actually read what is there 5. Then we come to the transcribers. I have often wondered just how many transcribers it must have taken for all of this information to be available to us today. These transcribers were not as familiar with the families we are researching as we are today. They did the best they could. So please give Ancestry.com a break and just be thankful we have this wonderful tool to use. It might go away some day and we would be back to using the films at our local library. Use it while you can. I sometimes feel like a real detective gathering all the data--I like that feeling. Dotty Sprague Cole Lake Mary Florida Searching Schneider/Schmidt and Langrehr/Heittman in JC ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom O'Hare" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2006 12:00 AM Subject: Re: [NJHUDSON-L] Re: NJHUDSON-D Digest V06 #99 > Hello Evelyn and List. > ANYONE RESEARCHING IRISH SURNAMES ON ANCESTRY.COM SHOULD READ THIS !!! > > Evelyn, I found your Thomas, Anna & son William McHugh in the 1930 > census and forwarded the image tio you. If you have not received it, > please contact me. > Ancestry.com has butchered the processing of some Irish surnames in > some of their programs, not just the census records. Names starting with > "Mc" such as McHugh were often erroneously transcribed as > Mc Hugh with a space between the Mc and the rest of the name. In the 1930 > census for Jersey City there are 77 McHughs found if you enter McHugh in > the search bloc. The problem is that there were about 130 McHughs in JC in > the 1930 census. If you input the name erroneously with a space between Mc > and Hugh (Mc Hugh), you will find another 53 McHughs that the original > search did not locate, including Evelyn's missing Thomas, Anna, and son > William. > Ancestry.com had also butchered the transcription of surnames begining > with "O' ". If you input my surname in the search bloc, the response will > be "Your Exact Search for O'Hare returned no matches." Ancestry has > dropped the apostrophe in names begining with O'. As a result you can > never get an accurate search response for those names without corrupting > the name, such as "ohare". > Ancestry has also input a number of O' names incorrectly by reporting > the O as a middle initial and the rest of the name as the surname.Thus in > 1930 in Binghamton, N.Y. Margaret O'Hare was incorrectly transcribed as > Margaret O. Hare, and is indexed under surname Hare, not her real surname > O'Hare. > Having a degree of poor quality in their product is one thing, but not > owning up to it is quite another. These flaws were reported to Ancestry by > me on several occasions, but they have ignored my complaints. Recently I > have filed a complaint with the BBB, Utah. > Use caution when using Ancestry.com for Mc and O' Irish surnames. > Tom O'Hare, Buffalo, N.Y. > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, July 15, 2006 9:27 PM > Subject: [NJHUDSON-L] Re: NJHUDSON-D Digest V06 #99 > > >> Anyone with access to the 1930 Federal Census for Jersey City could help >> me >> a great deal by sending me the image from my father's parent's entry. >> >> I spent years trying to find my Dad, Arthur McHugh and his parents Anna >> (Sprenger) and Thomas McHugh without success and thought the census had >> simply >> missed them when I could not find a baby Arthur anywhere that was the >> correct >> age with the correct parents. I did not have an exact DOB for Thomas, >> but I >> did know that Anna was born in 1909 or 10, depending upon whom and what >> you >> believed. >> >> Last weekend, I decided to give it one last shot by using the Ancestry >> free >> 3 day trial, and I found a couple with the correct names and ages living >> in >> JC with a baby "William" aged nine months. That Thomas was born in 1908, >> which >> fits the information I have and it apparently explained a part of the >> family >> rift that happened when my grandfather died in 1934 - that Irish >> Catholic >> "William" (named after Thomas' brother in law) became "Arthur", >> rechristened as >> a Lutheran and renamed after Anna's father's brother in law and lifelong >> best friend, Arthur Bowden when Anna returned home to live with her >> parents >> after her husband died. >> >> As you can guess, this filled in a lot of holes in family history for us, >> mainly why none of the McHugh's talked to the Sprengers until my late >> father was >> nearly fifty years old - and why Dad refused to have anything to do with >> religion or religious services or talk about his upbringing. >> >> I tried to send myself the image, but Ancestry sent me only a link, and >> will >> not let me access the information without plucking down my credit card >> for >> the infamous "14 day free trial", which I refuse to do. If anyone could >> send me >> the information, it would be very much appreciated. The three of them >> were >> living on Bartholdi Avenue, just a short way from the Sprenger's and >> McHugh's >> family homes. >> >> Thanks for any help - >> >> Evelyn McHugh >> Researching McHugh, Rehill, Sprenger and Kraft from Jersey City from >> 1900 - >> 1960. >> >> >> =epm= >> >> Ask not why the rose has thorns. >> Rather rejoice that the thornbush has a rose. >> - Anonymous >> >> >> ==== NJHUDSON Mailing List ==== >> New people subscribe to and unsubscribe from the list each week. >> You are encouraged to resubmit your queries two or three times >> per year to reach new listmembers. >> >> > > > > ==== NJHUDSON Mailing List ==== > Visit the Hudson County N.J. GenWeb page at: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~njhudson/ > >