Hi, Anna. I am not familiar with these exact names, but I have both HORNER and SHIVERS in my line, and both names are in Gloucester Co. As for marriage certificate/record, suggest you try "New Jersey Marriage Records 1665-1800" by William Nelson. It should be available at your library, or available on interlibrary loan, depending where you live. They may also be Quaker, so you will want to look in the "Encyclopedia of American Quaker Genealogy" by William Wade Hinshaw. This is multi volume book, and vol 2 covers Salem, Burlington, Falls Monthly Meetings. Good luck.

Hi , I've been reading this message board for months and have seen all the questions and help that have been going on and am hoping now someone can help me . Hannah Weaver maried George Horner - I don't know when but possibly aroundearly 1770's . She was a daughter of Frederick and Abigail (Shivers ) Weaver . I don't know where she lived before she married , possibly New York state. But she and her husband were living in New Jersey and probably Gloucester County after their mariage . Can anyone tell me where I could get a copy of their marriage certificate/record ? I don't even know what religion they were . thanks for any help , Anna

Anyone know the answer to this one? PLEASE REPLY to [email protected], as this person is not on the list. >From: [email protected] >Date: Mon, 5 Apr 1999 21:35:55 EDT >Subject: O'MARY >To: [email protected] >CC: [email protected] >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Reply-To: [email protected] > > A gentleman who works for NAVSSES in Philadelphia, upon learning my name, >told me that he remembered a "Lake O'Mary" in south Gloucester County. I >looked in Yahoo maps and, sure enough, there is such a lake. It is located >just north of Ferrell. I will be flying to Philadelphia on April 10 for >training at the Navy shipyard. I will be there until the 15th and hope to >find the lake. Would you, or anyone else have any additional info about this >lake. The name itself would indicate that O'MARYs lived in the area at one >time. > > Thanking you in advance, > Lonnie H. O'Mary > 2825 Lakeside Drive > Semmes, Alabama 36575 > E-Mail [email protected] > >

The following is excerpted from a 1745 will filed in Burlington County. – I give and bequeath to my son-in-law, my still worm and worm tub, with full and absolute power to unhang and take the same from off the freehold. Can anyone tell me what a "still worm and worm tub" is? Thanks.

Marge; Thanks for the reply. It's poss. that the Stutz name was really Stotz. I just recently found out Christina's maiden name. I'm desperately trying to get all the names of Christina and Chas. Mood's children because I believe my ggrandmother was one of them, Sarah Mood (I think there were 7 siblings in all)..Christina was orphaned in Wurttemberg, Germany at age 2 and her aunt and uncle brought her to the US at age 16, c. 1850. via NY. They lived in Phila. and then Christina moved to Vineland after marrying Chas. and had some of her children there. It's poss. that her family moved to that area to be closer to her and the family. Let me know what you find out. I'm not from that area. I live at the shore, but most of my more recent ancestors either lived/farmed/worked in So. NJ towns for many years. Some areas were Clayton, Neufield, Elmer, Fairton, Elk,Pole Tavern,and then Camden (back when it was nice) and Pennsauken(where I grew up). My family names are LACY/MOOD/SCUDDER/STEVENS on my fathers side, and BROOKS/ HOSE/ LADD/ CRANE on my mothers side. I guess you must live in that area with all that pretty farmland. I drove all around those areas several weeks ago. Thanks, Joan

Maxine, Thanks for the reply. Last month I drove over there from the shore and met that man at the fruit stand, selling blueberry bushes. His name is Richard Mood, probably a very distant cousin on my fathers side. Unfortunately he didn't really know much about his ancestors. I think his gggrandfather and my gggrand were the original George and Charles Mood who established that farming area in Elk/Ferrell. He gave me the name of an elderly cousin of his, May Erlack. I spoke to her housekeeper and she was able to give me very little info after asking May some of my questions. She didn't really remember my ggrandmother, Sarah Mood Lacy, but did vaguely recall that she had lived in Camden at one time, after being married to my ggrandfather, William French Lacy. Hopefully I'll be able to connect to someone who knows something!! Thank you for you very kind offer though. Best Regards, Joan in NJ

Seeking info on a Charles Mood b.1830, and Christina Stutz,b.1833?, both in Wurttemberg. They emigrated circa 1850 to New York,then moved to Phila.,Pa, then Vineland, NJ, and finally to Mullica Hill, NJ. They owned a farm and grew apples. At one time they lived in Vineland and then Pole Tavern. I am trying to verify the names of their other children besides Chas Jr.? b.1865 in Vineland,d.1938 in Elmer. Chas. Sr. and his wife Christina S.(died June 29,1919--Whig Lane, Pole Tavern) are buried in Ferrell Meth. Cemetery south of Mullica Hill, NJ If this sounds familiar to anyone out there I would greatly appreciate any info on Cas. and Christina other children's names Thanks, Joan in NJ

Barbara, Thanks for the reply. Do you show any siblings and dates for Thomas Scudder of Mt.Olive Twp.,NJ His dates make it feasible that he would be in the right age range for my Frank Scudder of Fairton and Camden. I heard from a man who remembered a younger Frank Scudder from the 1930s or 1940s , who lived near Fairton in Cedarville or Rockville. He said that he had 2 children, a boy and a girl named Peggy. Try him at: [email protected] Let me know about Thomas' siblings,OK? Thanks so much. Joan in NJ

Ancestry now has message boards - SURNAMES, STATES, COUNTIES, etc. <http://www.familyhistory.com/> Carol Holt Middle Tennessee

GENFORUM has added Counties Gloucester is one of the counties <http://genforum.genealogy.com/nj/counties.html> Carol Holt

Michael, I don't find Gabriel's Pole in the book but you might want to try getting on the Gloucester Co. List or contact the Glou. Co. Historic Society Library. They have a real treasure trove of research material for your use or request a look-up. Their e-mail address is: [email protected] Good luck, Joan in NJ

Hi, Would you have any info. on the Lacy family's location c.1800-1850 or the primary concentration with this surname. Oral family history states that my Lacy family is definitely Scotch-Irish. Thank you for any help or info, Joan Lacy Fitzsimmons

Paul; Thanks for the reply. Back Neck is now a crossroads about 4 miles SW of Fairton. Apparently there is an intersection there where there is a road named Back Neck Rd. I heard from several people who use to live there in the 30s and 40s. The area leads towards the river and marshland. I have a book called "Forgotten Towns of Southern New Jersey," by Henry Charlton Beck. Chapter XXV,pg.191, is called "Fairfield: Fairton: New England Crossroads" and gives some good background on the early beginnings and settlers of that area. Now, if I could just locate my Frank Scudder who was located there in the mid to late 1800s and I believe, lived in Camden at the turn of the century with his wife, Augusta Stevens Scudder. Thanks for your interest and help. Joan Lacy Fitzsimmons in NJ

Friends, Last week I received many messages from you, some in triplicate, because you are on multiple lists, that started IMPORTANT Message. Was that the Melissa virus? I hope some of you were not infected. Fortunately I make a practice of not downloading and because of my volume of mail, I had deleted the duplicate messages, I must have received more that a dozen of them. I rec'd at least 3 messages from CarolH. Hope you guys are all OK. Barbara in MA

My 1996 New Jersey state road map shows Fairton immediately south of Bridgeton, at the intersection of Fairton-Millville Road and Back Neck Road. If you are looking for good current local maps, try http://www.pattonmaps.com/ Gary Steiner [email protected] >Wil, >Thanks, you're an absolute gem! None of my newer maps shows Fairton, let >alone Back Neck. I appreciate your help and directions to Back Neck. Joan >Lacy Fitzsimmons in NJ

Pat, Yes it helps. The response to this question has been overwhelming. There are a lot of great people out there always willing to help. Thanks to all. Joan in NJ

Phoebe, I have some time, so I'll do it now. I will also be posting this to the Morris and Monmouth Co sites as well as some from the southern NJ area. This way I only have to do it once! :) JOHN HENRY HELFFRICH, b. Mosbach, Hessen, 22 Oct. 1739, son of the Hon. John Peter and Anna Margaretha (Dietz) Helffrich; matric. Heidelberg, 2 Feb. 1758; Ord. 22 Sept. 1761; sett. at Shinsheim, Rohrbach, Reyen, Kirchhard, Steinfurth, 1761-1771; arriv.Ny, NY.,Jan 14, 1772; sett. the ff.chhs. in Berks Co. Pa., Mar 1772-1810; Maxatawny, De Longe Chh., and St. John's Chh. at Kutztown, Oley, Manatawny Chh.; and the ff. chhs in Lehigh Co. Pa., Mar 1772-1810; Lowhill, Heidelberg, and Weisenberg, Ziegel's and Weisenberg Chhs.; Longswamp (Berks) Pa., 1775-1810; and the following chhs. in Lehigh co. Pa.: Salisbury, Jerusalem Chh., 1779-1785; Upper milford, Zionsville Chh., 1779-1810; Upper Macungie, St Paul's Chh. at Trexlerstown, 1784-1810; Lower Macungie, Little Lehigh Chh. at Macungie, 1785-1810; and Lynn, Lynntown Chh. at Lynnville, 1804-1810; Germ. REf.: d. Maxatawny (Berks) Pa., 5 Dec. 1810, a. 77 (GS) You had to wait awhile, but i think you will like this one!! Susan Winters

New and Complete Gazetteer of the U.S. (1854), p.371 FAIRTON, a post-village of Cumberland co., New Jersey, 4 miles S. from Bridgeton. It has 1 or 2 churches, and about 50 dwellings. this was in 1854 Shirl

Wil, Thanks, you're an absolute gem! None of my newer maps shows Fairton, let alone Back Neck. I appreciate your help and directions to Back Neck. Joan Lacy Fitzsimmons in NJ

Ken, Thanks for the reply about Fairton. If you should ever hear about Back Neck, let me know! Thanks, Joan Lacy Fitzsimmons in NJ