Audrey-- your five posts yesterday at NJEssex reminded me that I never received any response from you to the following "ELMER" post of mine of 2/6/07-- also recorded in the NJEssex archives (http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/NJESSEX/2007-02). Did you not receive this? I had also found some MILLS info in my family's genealogy database-- but decided not to send this to you until I received a response. I think I'll hold off reading (and possibly replying) to your posts of yesterday until I better understand your lack of communication. And remember that it is more blessed to give than receive. Looks like we share the same ancient Senior Citizen birth year ................John (in metro Chicago) =========================================================== Subject: Re: [NJESSEX] [E] ELMER + CRANE (Westfield, etc.) Date: 2/6/2007 10:59:58 A.M. CDT From: JQMagie@aol.com To: AudreyHancock1939@sbcglobal.net, dkane@genealogyinprint.com, NJESSEX@rootsweb.com, NJUNION@rootsweb.com Audrey-- for what it's worth.... Dr. Philemon ELMER's brother Nathan ELMER seems to be listed in my family's database. This is so since Nathan's wife Sally CRANE and their children are all apparently MEGIE-MAGIE descendants (i.e., cousins of mine) .............John (in metro Chicago) ____________________________________________________ Philemon ELMER born: 13 Sep 1752, Orange Co., NY died: 16 May 1827, Hamilton Co.?, OH If you have Ancestry.com (if not, I can easily email this to you), there's much more on Philemon (also his siblings, parents, etc.) at http://trees.ancestry.com/owt/person.aspx?pid=6967539 Nathan ELMER (Philemon's younger brother) born: 5 Nov 1763, New Providence, NJ died: 23 Apr 1852, New Providence?, NJ Also see more on Nathan via LDS AFN:12KG-6ZV at www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/frameset_search.asp?page=af/search_AF.asp (mostly submitted by my family to the LDS Ancestral File in 1992). Also see: http://trees.ancestry.com/owt/person.aspx?pid=6965988 [JQM hasn't checked the above against the US Census.] ____________________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> condensed ahnentafel printout from my family's genealogy database---> 1. Abraham Morrell ELMER #1711, b. CIR 1789, d. 11 09 1800, AFN:12KG-718. ________________________________________________ Parents: 2. Nathan ELMER #1710, b. 11 05 1763, d. 04 23 1852, AFN:12KG-6ZV. Nathan was a Patriot Soldier in the NJ Militia. He married 11 04 1792 in New Providence, Union, NJ, Sally (Sarah) CRANE #1027. Children: ......i Abraham Morrell ELMER #1711, b. CIR 1789, d. 11 09 1800, AFN:12KG-718. ......ii Nathan ELMER Jr. #7993. 3. Sarah (Sally) CRANE #1027, b. 1770 in New Providence, Union, NJ, bapt 12 30 1770, d. 07 19 1838, AFN:12KG-702. ________________________________________________ Grandparents: 4. Jonathan ELMER Jr., b. 4 Jun 1727, Windsor, Hartford, CT, d. 5 Jun 1807, New Providence, Union, NJ. He married Amy Gale on 15 Jul 1750 in Goshen, Orange, NY. 5. Amy GALE, b. CIR 1729, d. 24 Jul 1812 in New Providence, Union, NJ. 6. Isaac CRANE #326, b. CIR 1735 in NJ, d. AFT 1795 in NJ?, AFN:T9J0-50. He married 12 31 1760 in Westfield, Union, NJ, Mary MILLER #1023. They later moved west to the NJ Passaic Valley. ....Children: ......i Mary CRANE #1024, b. 1761 in Union Co., NJ, d. 11 11 1850 in NJ, AFN:12KG-3X5. She married 04 20 1779 in New Providence, Union, NJ, Samuel PARSONS #1702, 1758-1822 (son of William PARSONS and Mary SEARING). Samuel was a Patriot soldier in the Revolutionary War. ......ii Martha CRANE #1025, b. 10 03 1763 in New Providence, NJ, d. 06 30 1846. She married 06 15 1781 in New Providence, NJ, Nathaniel BONNELL #1405, 1731-1809, a Patriot soldier tied to the Essex County Militia. ......iii Hulda CRANE #1026, b. 1764 in New Providence, NJ, bapt. 03 31 1765, d. 06 24 1835 in New Providence, NJ. She married 04 18 1786 in New Providence, NJ, Abner STITES #1414, 1763-1831, veteran (at age 16) of the 1780 Battle of Springfield. ......iv Sally CRANE #1027, b. 1770 in New Providence, NJ, bapt. 12 30 1770, d. 07 19 1838, AFN:12KG-702. She married 11 04 1792 in New Providence, NJ, Nathan ELMER #1710, 1763-1852, a member of the NJ Militia. ......v Jonathan CRANE #1028, b. 1770 in New Providence, NJ, d.12 14 1770 in New Providence, NJ. ......vi Isaac Miller CRANE #1029, b. 1772 in New Providence, NJ, d. 07 28 1784 in New Providence, NJ. 7. Mary MILLER #1023, b. CIR 1737 in Westfield, NJ, d. 10 08 1795 in New Providence, NJ, AFN:T9J0-65. ________________________________________________ Great-grandparents: 8. Jonathan ELMER, b. 8 May 1687, Hartford, Hartford, CT, d. 5 Jun 1778, Sharon, Litchfield, CT. 9. Mary *UNKNOWN, b. CIR 1690 in Norwalk, Fairfield, CT, d. 22 Jan 1783 in Sharon, Litchfield, CT. 12. John CRANE Jr. #187, b. 02 02 1700 in Elizabeth, Union, NJ, d. 09 11 1763 in Westfield, Union, NJ, buried #600 in First Presbyterian Cem., Westfield, NJ, [FPCW #600]. John Jr. owned & operated two important mills at modern Cranford, NJ ("Crane's ford"). He married (1) CIR 1722 in Elizabeth, NJ, Anna MEGIE #4 [a cousin of JQM], b. 1699 in Elizabeth, NJ, d. 03 14 1759 in Westfield, NJ, buried Westfield #601, AFN:P242-7Q. He married (2) CIR 1760, Mary *UNKNOWN #9092, d. AFT 1763. Mary is probably buried with a previous husband. ....Children by Anna MEGIE: ......i John CRANE III #323, b. 04 20 1723 in Elizabeth, NJ, d. 09 12 1807 in Westfield, NJ, buried FPCW #587, AFN:T9J0-3M. John Crane III was a Patriot solder in the Revolutionary War. He married (1) 05 27 1748, Hulda GRANT #995, b. 05 25 1721 in Windsor, Hartford, CT, d. 12 27 1773, buried FPCW #588, AFN:GLHH-3T. He married (2) 04 23 1775 in New Providence, NJ, Hannah BEDELL #1001, b. CIR 1735, d. 03 21 1803, buried FPCW #589, AFN:12KF-SHX. He married (3) Abigail FORCE #1003, b. 1736 in Westfield, NJ, d. 08 04 1807, buried Westfield #590, AFN:12KF-SKC. ......ii Hannah CRANE #324, b. 1725 in Elizabeth, NJ, d. 07 12 1803 in Westfield, NJ, buried FPCW #556, AFN:12KF-0LK. She married CIR 1745 in Westfield, NJ, Samuel ROBINSON #1004,1721-1778, buried FPCW #555. ......iii Stephen CRANE #7974, b. CIR 1727 in Westfield, NJ, d. BEF 1763?, AFN:T9HB-DG. ......v Sarah CRANE #325, b. 01 09 1728 in Elizabeth, NJ, d. 03 03 1778, buried FPCW #860, AFN:12KG-2Z6. She married (1) CIR 1751, John DAVIS Jr. #1015, b. 01 11 1731, d. 03 02 1760, buried Westfield Cem. #859, AFN:12KG-2RX. She married (2) 01 18 1761 in Westfield, NJ, David CONKLIN Jr. #1019, b. 05 29 1721, d. 06 20 1792, buried FPCW #882. ......v Isaac CRANE #326, b. CIR 1735 in NJ, d. AFT 1795 in NJ?, AFN:T9J0-50. He married 12 31 1760 in Westfield, NJ, Mary MILLER #1023. The two wives of Isaac & Joseph Crane were sisters. ......vi Esther CRANE #329, b. 1739 in NJ, d. 01 15 1802, buried #561 in First Pres. Cem., Elizabeth, NJ, AFN:12KG-BNP. She married 02 29 1768 in New Providence, NJ, John Cooper WOODRUFF #1691, 1712-1792 (son of John WOODRUFF and Marcy CARLE). ......vii Joseph CRANE #327, b. 1741 in Westfield, NJ, d. 06 07 1778 in New Providence, NJ, buried Presbyterian Cem., New Providence, NJ, AFN:1NWJ-W2. He married 06 08 1761 in Westfield, NJ, Ruth MILLER #1030. They moved 1764 to New Providence, NJ. He was commissioned 2nd Lt. in the Continental Army and was mortally wounded in an assault on Fort Delancy on Newark Bay. Widowed Ruth Crane moved ca. 1795 to Butler Co., OH, with several of her children. ......viii Jacob CRANE #328, b. CIR 1743, d. 1798 in Canada, AFN:12KG-BGG. Jacob was a NJ Militia Colonel in the Revolutionary War, and his death in Canada has apparently incorrectly suggested to some researchers that he was a Loyalist. Joseph married (1) 11 06 1763 in Westfield, NJ, Joanna MARSH #1043, b. 1747 in NJ, d. 02 09 1779, buried FPCW #577. He married (2) 12 29 1785 in Westfield, NJ, Hannah MILLER #1050, b. 1755, d. 02 03 1794, buried FPCW #580. 13. Anna MEGIE #4, b. 1699 in Elizabeth, NJ, d. 03 14 1759 in Westfield, NJ, buried FPCW #601, AFN:P242-7Q. The LDS records incorrectly have Anna married to Jonathan Crane, Esq. (also buried at FPCW), a first cousin of John Crane Jr. 14. John MILLER #7988, b. 1706 in NJ, d. 12 31 1794, AFN:T9HG-WL. He married CIR 1732, Martha PIERSON #7989. ....Children: ......i Mary MILLER #1023, b. CIR 1737 in Westfield, NJ, d. 10 08 1795 in New Providence, NJ, AFN:T9J0-65. She married 12 31 1760 in Westfield, NJ, Isaac CRANE #326. ......ii Ruth MILLER #1030, b. 09 01 1740 in Westfield, NJ, d. 02 09 1831 in Middletown, Butler, OH, buried at Middletown Cem., AFN:1NWJ-X7. She married 06 08 1761 in Westfield, NJ, Joseph CRANE #327. 15. Martha PIERSON #7989, b. CIR 1710, AFN:WGZ9-TF. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subj: [NJESSEX] [E] ELMER (1752-1827) Date: 2/5/2007 8:20:28 A.M. Central Standard Time From: AudreyHancock1939@sbcglobal.net To: NJESSEX@rootsweb.com >From my gleanings of a multitude of sources, I have gathered this information: Dr. Philemon ELMER, said s/o Rev. Jonathan ELMER (1727-1807) and Amy GALE, b 13 September 1752; resided Westfield, Essex Co., (now Union Co.), NJ; d 1827. m (1)Mary MARSH (1756-1778); had daughters: Sally (prob. Sarah) b 1776 & Polly (prob. Mary) b 1778 m (2) Catharine SLIGHT (1761-1824); Children: Catherine b 1783; Betsey (prob. Elizabeth) b 1785; Nancy Morrell b 1788; John b ????; Julia b 1798; Caroline b 1800; & David Stewart C. ELMER. m (3) Elizabeth "Betsey" FRAZEE Dr. Philemon ELMER's siblings are given as: Jonathan, John, Moses Gale, and Nathan ELMER. No sisters are mentioned. I am trying to find a family connection for my MILLS family. I have the following: William MILLS (1722-1794) m Amy ??? (????-bef. 1799); both of Westfield ....William MILLS (1752-1815) m Rebecca (no dates); both of Westfield .......Philemon Elmer MILLS (ca 1773 Westfield, NJ -1853 Hamilton Co., OH) .......William W. MILLS (brother of Philemon Elmer MILLS) named son Philemon Elmer MILLS, who also named a son Philemon Elmer MILLS. It appears that somehow there may have been a relationship between the ELMER & MILLS families, perhaps in the maiden names of Amy or Rebecca, but nothing more is known. Are there any ELMER researchers out there? 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