Both Lucie, hondolu@hotmail.com (see below), and I appear to be descendants of Timothy Woodruff Jr. (1715-1798) and his wife Elizabeth Parsons (1712-1798) of Union County (NJ)-- which was part of Essex County until 1857. Timothy Jr. was presumably born in his father's house-- which is now the headquarters of the Hillside Historical Society (111 Conant St., Hillside, NJ 07205, 908-353-8828). Reportedly WOODRUFF is the most common surname at either Hillside's Evergreen Cemetery or Elizabeth's First Presbyterian Cemetery-- or BOTH. And the Woodruff family were among the founders of Elizabethtown (NJ) in 1664. More on all this in a later post of mine. I haven't been online much lately, having had some recent health problems-- also some computer health problems, mostly associated with my recent and very difficult conversion from Dial-Up to High-Speed. For Senior Citizens like me (born 1939), these problems no doubt occur more frequently. The first post appended below reminds me that I have not yet apologized to Audrey Hancock Shields for my grumpy on-list NJEssex message to her of 4/10/07, titled "zero response from Audrey." I send this apology now. My 4/10/07 complaint, if sent at all, SHOULD have been sent privately, NOT on-list. Sorry, Audrey. And soon after sending that April post, I realized that I too have been guilty of not responding at all-- or not very promptly-- to requests for info from other RootsWeb listers, as several listers can probably attest. Also, belated thanks, Audrey, for your rapid & patient off-list response to me-- sent later the same day, 4/10/07. Soon I hope to respond more fully (privately) to your April 10 message. Though this is a bit off-topic, I'm especially interested, Audrey, in your mentioning off-list that you have spearheaded an online reproduction of the 1883 "History and Biographical Cyclopaedia of Butler County, Ohio"-- something I was unaware of (http://www.rootsweb.com/~ohbutler/cyc). MANY Essex County (NJ) residents apparently settled in Butler County around the beginning of the 19th century, including many Magie (and other) cousins of mine. Several are buried at Mound Cemetery (Monroe, Butler, OH)-- which is reportedly situated, with substantial political incorrectness, on the surface of an actual Adena Indian mound! Other relatives of mine are buried in nearby Hamilton County, OH, especially at the older Carpenters Run Cemetery at Plainville, OH. Here are many MEGIE burials (a mostly 17th century spelling)-- all cousins of mine who apparently left Essex County, NJ, after 1780, but curiously before most all MEGIEs still in NJ agreed to standardize the name as MAGIE soon after 1800. Our common ancestor John McGHIE (1659-1735) arrived in Perth Amboy (NJ) from Galloway, Scotland, in late 1685 and became an Elizabethtown Associate in 1699. The reason I mention Ohio now is that I plan to visit, very soon and for the first time, the Cincinnati area (including Butler County) and its cemeteries, and I may not be able to get back to Audrey again right away. My main focus will be on the OGDEN uncles (and their descendants) of my great-grandfather Jonathan Ogden Magie (1823-1901), all natives of Elizabeth, NJ. My great-grandfather left NJ in the mid-1840s, living briefly in Cincinnati with his uncle Jonathan Ogden, 1807-1888 (also father-in-law of famous meat-packer Philip Danforth Armour, 1832-1901, of Milwaukee & Chicago), before settling permanently in Milwaukee in early 1848. These OGDEN uncles all became well-to-do Cincinnati businessmen, who mostly died before the ca. 1845 establishment of Cincinnati's prestigious Spring Grove Cemetery (a non-denominational "rural" burial ground). Do you know, Audrey-- or does anyone else know-- where in Cincinnati (formerly "Porkopolis") a prosperous Presbyterian merchant would likely be buried before 1845? ...............John (in metro Chicago) _____________________________________________________ Subj: Re: [NJESSEX] W: WOODRUFF, Enos, 1822 Date: 5/29/2007 1:11:46 P.M. CDT From: AudreyHancock1939@sbcglobal.net To: njessex@rootsweb.com If this is intended to be a be a birth date, it could not be correct, if the mother was born in 1822. I am assuming that the first date appears to be the birthdate for the children. Charles Edwin Abt. 1894 Lewiston, PA -----Original Message----- From: njessex-bounces@rootsweb.com On Behalf Of Lucie Vaccaro-Bailey Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 11:22 AM To: njessex@rootsweb.com Subject: [NJESSEX] W: Woodruff, Enos 1822 WOODRUFF, Enos Nov 5, 1822 (?) Secacus NJ m 1848 BRATTON, Jemima A b. 1822 PA Children Lucetta 1853 Fanny Abt. 1855 Hannah Grumman Abt. 1857- 1881 Adelaide 17 Mar 1859 - 1941 Robert A. Abt 1862, d 1886 Fruit Land Park, FL Charles Edwin Abt. 1894 Lewiston, PA Joseph T. Abt. 1869 [JQM plans soon to supply more detail on the above] _____________________________________________________ Subj: [NJESSEX] Woodruff, Charles Edwin Date: 5/30/2007 7:39:38 A.M. Central Daylight Time From: hondolu@hotmail.com To: njessex@rootsweb.com oops slight typo Woodruff, Charles Edwin b. 1864 Lewiston, PA not 1894 son of Enos Woodruff and Jemima A. Bratton. Lu ================================================= Subj: [NJESSEX] zero response from Audrey Date: 4/10/2007 7:16:50 A.M. Central Daylight Time From: JQMagie@aol.com To: njessex@rootsweb.com, AudreyHancock1939@sbcglobal.net Audrey-- your five posts yesterday at NJEssex reminded me that I never received any response from you to the following "ELMER" post of mine of 2/6/07-- also recorded in the NJEssex archives (http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/NJESSEX/2007-02)..... Looks like we share the same ancient Senior Citizen birth year ...............John (in metro Chicago) ____________________________________________________ Subject: Re: [NJESSEX] [E] ELMER + CRANE (Westfield, etc.) Date: 2/6/2007 10:59:58 A.M. CDT From: JQMagie@aol.com To: AudreyHancock1939@sbcglobal.net, dkane@genealogyinprint.com, NJESSEX@rootsweb.com, NJUNION@rootsweb.com Audrey-- for what it's worth..... Dr. Philemon ELMER's brother Nathan ELMER seems to be listed in my family's database. This is so since Nathan's wife Sally CRANE and their children are all apparently MEGIE-MAGIE descendants (i.e., cousins of mine) .............John (in metro Chicago) ____________________________________________________ Philemon ELMER born: 13 Sep 1752, Orange Co., NY died: 16 May 1827, Hamilton Co.?, OH If you have Ancestry.com (if not, I can easily email this to you), there's much more on Philemon (also his siblings, parents, etc.) at http://trees.ancestry.com/owt/person.aspx?pid=6967539 Nathan ELMER (Philemon's younger brother) born: 5 Nov 1763, New Providence, NJ died: 23 Apr 1852, New Providence?, NJ Also see more on Nathan via LDS AFN:12KG-6ZV at www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/frameset_search.asp?page=af/search_AF.asp (mostly submitted by my family to the LDS Ancestral File in 1992). Also see: http://trees.ancestry.com/owt/person.aspx?pid=6965988 [JQM hasn't checked the above against the US Census.] ____________________________________________________ ...........[etc., etc, CLIP] ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.