Dan, By the way, I may be making a trip home to NJ in July. I don't know if I'll get to Holy Sepulchre on that trip but if I do I will look for your plots and if I find headstones I'll take some digital pictures for you. Shawn List Admin/Moderator (in Colorado) >From: "Dan McFeeley" <mcfeeley@keynet.net> >Reply-To: njessex@rootsweb.com >To: <NJESSEX@rootsweb.com> >Subject: [NJESSEX] Holy Sepulchre cemetery >Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 13:18:57 -0600 > >Hello all -- > >Is anyone on this list familiar with Holy Sepulchre >cemetery, in East Orange? > >We were able to locate the grave certificates for >our Irish immigrant family, Michael and Susie >McFeeley, and their children, in the St. Gervase >and Protase section, but my NJ cousins (I'm a NJ >native living in Illinois) have had difficulty finding >the exact site. > >Here are photobucket links to scanned images >of the certificates for our great grandparents >Michael and Susie McFeeley: > >http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v676/mcfeeley/michael.jpg > >http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v676/mcfeeley/susie.jpg > >Would anyone have any tips on where the site might be? >They may be grave markers buried under the snow right >now, and difficult to find. > >-- Dan McFeeley > Kankakee, Illinois > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >NJESSEX-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >in the subject and the body of the message

Dan, Jack is exactly right. And the Saints Sections are the oldest sections in the cemetery. Walking around you will see lots of areas with no headstones. But according to staff the Saints sections are completely full. Just some people could not afford headstones including some of my ancestors who are in the row called St Kevins. I hate to sound like a broken record but have your relatives call the cemetery office ahead of time, set a time for them to go there, and they will have a grounds keeper take them out to the exact plot. That's how I found my St. Kevins plot. I would never have figured it out without their help. Shawn List Admin/Moderator >From: "jaxon2@juno.com" <jaxon2@juno.com> >Reply-To: njessex@rootsweb.com >To: njessex@rootsweb.com >CC: NJESSEX@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [NJESSEX] Holy Sepulchre cemetery >Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 23:37:34 GMT > >Dan, >The other response was pretty good. >If you are standing at the main entrance to the cemetery and walk straight >in....you will walk into six sections referred to as the 'Saints Sections' >--- each section is broken down into paths and each path is labeled with a >Saints name. Thats all that is on the small map I received from the office >staff. >Cheers, Jack > >-- "Dan McFeeley" <mcfeeley@keynet.net> wrote: >Hello all -- > >Is anyone on this list familiar with Holy Sepulchre >cemetery, in East Orange? > >We were able to locate the grave certificates for >our Irish immigrant family, Michael and Susie >McFeeley, and their children, in the St. Gervase >and Protase section, but my NJ cousins (I'm a NJ >native living in Illinois) have had difficulty finding >the exact site. > >Here are photobucket links to scanned images >of the certificates for our great grandparents >Michael and Susie McFeeley: > >http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v676/mcfeeley/michael.jpg > >http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v676/mcfeeley/susie.jpg > >Would anyone have any tips on where the site might be? >They may be grave markers buried under the snow right >now, and difficult to find. > >-- Dan McFeeley > Kankakee, Illinois > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >NJESSEX-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >in the subject and the body of the message > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >NJESSEX-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >in the subject and the body of the message

<Dolores Brown wrote> I guess you can wait until there are no >workers around and take all the pictures you want. It's a big place so >they can't be in every place at the same time. As I and many others have indicated, we've had good experiences with staff at Holy Sepulchre. But you can see that many have had not so pleasant experiences. And I think that can be said about any cemetery we go to. I would caution though that if anyone does decide to go to Holy Sepulchre and try to avoid the workers (or any cemetery for that matter) that you are accompanied by someone else. A friend or family member. The more the better. Please do not go alone. I have been to Holy Sepulchre about 6 or 7 times over the past six year and I've never had a problem. Each time I've gone with my wife. A couple of times my 3 year old daughter had tagged along. But I've always stopped into the office to let them know we were there. On one occasion when one of the grounds keepers was showing me around I told him I wanted to go over to a section where I knew my great-grandfather is buried. When I told him the section he got concerned and told me that it was not a good area to go to. He actually sent a truck and two of his employees to escort me and they sat in their vehicle next to my rental car, wife and daughter and kept an eye on them while I went over and documented my gravesite. In big city cemeteries the workers know what is safe and where you need to be careful. Just be cautious and try to use the staff. There's a bad apple in every company. Don't let one supposed worker turn you off to using them. Just my 2 cents. Shawn List Admin/Moderator

_http://co.monmouth.nj.us/page.asp?agency=9&Section=1688&Id=1756_ (http://co.monmouth.nj.us/page.asp?agency=9&Section=1688&Id=1756) names of wives and maiden names also on most! what happened to the rev war soldier= i dont know if this is partial list or not,but i believe it is partial from what i see here= you can read all about it at the above site tho. only for monmouth soldiers however on this site as its part of monmouth archives. linda _http://co.monmouth.nj.us/page.asp?agency=9&Section=1688&ID=1688_ (http://co.monmouth.nj.us/page.asp?agency=9&Section=1688&ID=1688) this page has all the leads to all the sites on archives of monmouth county. if you dont find what you need, then you can certainly write to the lady who runs the site- her email is on top of site and remember- alot of people moved as did county lines! sometimes you are riding down one street in monmouth and are suddenly in mercer and then back to monmouth and never make a turn! our roads are not like the sections out in midwest- they are crooked,windy and curvy- i guess mrs. so and so wanted a front yard and mr so and so didnt care about yards when roads went thru- who knows! <BR><BR><BR>**************************************<BR> AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com.

In a message dated 3/10/2007 1:30:15 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, joey@cvc.net writes: "unscrupulous people using the information to get SS cards and other ID information"- No, those people are called criminals. I was specifically told that the photo ban was directed against weirdos. <BR><BR><BR>**************************************<BR> AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com.

Very good to know Diane. Thanks for sharing. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Diane Caldwell" <power2000@pstel.net> To: <NJEssex-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 5:18 PM Subject: Re: [NJESSEX] Holy Sepulchre Cemetery > Hi Everyone > > I live in Georgia and I contacted Holy Sepulchre Cem > find out if I could send a disposable camera in a SASE > and would they so kind to take pictures of some graves > that they located for me. I was told that this was a very > large cemetery & it would be wise to have someone with > me. > > I must say that she was so very kind and said that there > was no need for me to send a camera as they have a > digital camera they keep in the office as many people > request photos & the fact that I lived so far away. > > I was told that she would give the grounds keeper the > information and have him take the pictures and she > will send them to me no charge. > > Maybe these men were not employees > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NJESSEX-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Could the restriction on taking photos of headstones be due to unscrupulous people using the information to get SS cards and other ID information? Seems to me I read that somewhere.

Hello All, I am in no way defending the Holy Sep. people but they did have a serious problem with grave robber's believe it or not. Some of the Cript's were broken into and the body's taken a couple of year's ago, one of them was a father of someone I work with. As to the peope being very friendly I have never met anyone there who was very helpful. The 1st time I went there the 1st response I got was there a $25 charge just to look up each name aand even then the women didn't want to help. Kevin J. Olvaney On 3/9/07, Diane Caldwell <power2000@pstel.net> wrote: > > Hi Everyone > > I live in Georgia and I contacted Holy Sepulchre Cem > find out if I could send a disposable camera in a SASE > and would they so kind to take pictures of some graves > that they located for me. I was told that this was a very > large cemetery & it would be wise to have someone with > me. > > I must say that she was so very kind and said that there > was no need for me to send a camera as they have a > digital camera they keep in the office as many people > request photos & the fact that I lived so far away. > > I was told that she would give the grounds keeper the > information and have him take the pictures and she > will send them to me no charge. > > Maybe these men were not employees > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NJESSEX-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Everyone I live in Georgia and I contacted Holy Sepulchre Cem find out if I could send a disposable camera in a SASE and would they so kind to take pictures of some graves that they located for me. I was told that this was a very large cemetery & it would be wise to have someone with me. I must say that she was so very kind and said that there was no need for me to send a camera as they have a digital camera they keep in the office as many people request photos & the fact that I lived so far away. I was told that she would give the grounds keeper the information and have him take the pictures and she will send them to me no charge. Maybe these men were not employees

A few years ago I wrote to Evergreen and asked if I were to send them a disposable camera with return postage, would someone be able to take a photo or 2 of a certain gravestone. They replied that the fee would be $40! I passed. Cee

Unfortunately, some individuals tend to become intoxicated with a small sip of authority. We have all encountered them in our quest for ancestors! How does photography damage a headstone? I'm sure Grandpa Moses and his widow (who probably paid for the monument) would object. How on earth can a cemetery enforce this policy? Is the perpetrator subject to arrest, a beating or confiscation of the camera? A lawyer could have a field day! I am generally respectful, but do not follow rules that are nonsense. And yes, I bring my own popcorn to the theatre! Beverly G. Kirby-McDonough ----- Original Message ----- From: <MacShea95@aol.com> To: <NJEssex-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 12:10 PM Subject: [NJESSEX] Holy Sepulchre Cemetery > Holy Sepulchre has always had the most responsive and helpful group of > people of all the cemeteries in which I have researched. I have been > there a > number of times (not in the past 3 years), and have taken many pictures > of many > stones, including ones not my own, as "locators". > > So I hate to put forth this suggestion. I wonder if perhaps the men in > trucks are looking for a bit of palm greasing. Perhaps they are not the > fellows of > old who were so helpful. Although the area is not the safest, the number > of > "weirdos" who might engage in grave photographing seems to me to be > miniscule. What other reason might there be..........and there certainly > was no sign > in the front forbidding photography when I was there. > > > Dee > <BR><BR><BR>**************************************<BR> AOL now offers free > email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at > http://www.aol.com. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NJESSEX-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Holy Sepulchre has always had the most responsive and helpful group of people of all the cemeteries in which I have researched. I have been there a number of times (not in the past 3 years), and have taken many pictures of many stones, including ones not my own, as "locators". So I hate to put forth this suggestion. I wonder if perhaps the men in trucks are looking for a bit of palm greasing. Perhaps they are not the fellows of old who were so helpful. Although the area is not the safest, the number of "weirdos" who might engage in grave photographing seems to me to be miniscule. What other reason might there be..........and there certainly was no sign in the front forbidding photography when I was there. Dee <BR><BR><BR>**************************************<BR> AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com.

I had been to the cemetery before and had non-digital photos on a sunny day with shadows from trees obscuring the lettering on the stones. So over the winter, I waited for an overcast day. I remembered that one grave was on the outer perimeter of the section, but the section was large. The first truck of employees were nice and helped me locate the actual grave. They left. There are a few stones at this grave, so I took out my camera and started taking the group picture and then the individual stone pictures. That's when another employee pulled up in a truck and said that pictures aren't permitted, that there is a sign posted at the entrance. I said that I did not see such a sign and that the stones belong to my family and we would like pictures. He stood there while I finished "to make sure" that I didn't take pictures of any other stones. He explained that the policy was to "keep weirdos out." There are other family members buried in other sections and I wanted their pictures also, but I left because I didn't want him following me and harassing me about the pictures. <BR><BR><BR>**************************************<BR> AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com.

And would make good fodder for the local news if they were on hand ;) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Beverly G. Kirby-McDonough" <bmcdon@ptd.net> To: <njessex@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 8:29 AM Subject: Re: [NJESSEX] Holy Sepulchre cemetery > Well, rules are rules aren't they? > > Let's take digital pictures with our cell phones. We can say we were just > making a call ;-) > > Good luck, > > Beverly G. McDonough > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <Tiriba@aol.com> > To: <njessex@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2007 8:43 PM > Subject: Re: [NJESSEX] Holy Sepulchre cemetery > > >> FYI- I was photographing a family grave at Holy Sepulchre in East Orange >> a >> few months ago when one of their trucks pulled up and the employee said >> that >> photos are not permitted. >> <BR><BR><BR>**************************************<BR> AOL now offers >> free >> email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at >> http://www.aol.com. >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NJESSEX-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NJESSEX-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Better idea let's all go the same time and take pics and see what happens!! :) They afraid of what might be seen there? ;) Maybe even Jesus if you look hard enough ;) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Beverly G. Kirby-McDonough" <bmcdon@ptd.net> To: <njessex@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 8:29 AM Subject: Re: [NJESSEX] Holy Sepulchre cemetery > Well, rules are rules aren't they? > > Let's take digital pictures with our cell phones. We can say we were just > making a call ;-) > > Good luck, > > Beverly G. McDonough > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <Tiriba@aol.com> > To: <njessex@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2007 8:43 PM > Subject: Re: [NJESSEX] Holy Sepulchre cemetery > > >> FYI- I was photographing a family grave at Holy Sepulchre in East Orange >> a >> few months ago when one of their trucks pulled up and the employee said >> that >> photos are not permitted. >> <BR><BR><BR>**************************************<BR> AOL now offers >> free >> email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at >> http://www.aol.com. >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NJESSEX-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NJESSEX-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

LOL Don't ya love it ;) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Beverly G. Kirby-McDonough" <bmcdon@ptd.net> To: <njessex@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 8:29 AM Subject: Re: [NJESSEX] Holy Sepulchre cemetery > Well, rules are rules aren't they? > > Let's take digital pictures with our cell phones. We can say we were just > making a call ;-) > > Good luck, > > Beverly G. McDonough > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <Tiriba@aol.com> > To: <njessex@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2007 8:43 PM > Subject: Re: [NJESSEX] Holy Sepulchre cemetery > > >> FYI- I was photographing a family grave at Holy Sepulchre in East Orange >> a >> few months ago when one of their trucks pulled up and the employee said >> that >> photos are not permitted. >> <BR><BR><BR>**************************************<BR> AOL now offers >> free >> email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at >> http://www.aol.com. >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NJESSEX-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NJESSEX-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Everyone, I've been on this list a long time, rarely post a message, but this one really got to me. I've never heard of such a thing......... not being allowed to take photos. I know some cemeteries don't want people to do gravestone rubbings, but a harmless photo??? Did those employees off an explanation as to the reason? I hope you got your photo anyhow. Elaine ----- Original Message ----- From: <Tiriba@aol.com> To: <njessex@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2007 8:43 PM Subject: Re: [NJESSEX] Holy Sepulchre cemetery > FYI- I was photographing a family grave at Holy Sepulchre in East Orange a > few months ago when one of their trucks pulled up and the employee said > that > photos are not permitted.

Mary- Since you live in Wisconsin, I'm not sure if you're aware of the significance of the Mravlag surname within Elizabeth, N.J. The present Mravlag Manor(built in 1930's?)as subsidized housing. I believe it is still owned by the City of Elizabeth. My understanding is that Dr. Mravlag(Victor?) was a much respected and influential resident of the City. Try the Elizabeth Public Library for family history, City Directories and/or obits. Family name well known in Elizabeth with biographical info. I'm certain a few other list members are knowledgable re: Mravlag. The clerical staff at Evergreen Cemetery are people who have lived most of their lives in the Elizabeth and Newark area. They're probably familiar with the Mravlag name. Arm yourself with as much family history as you can to establish your connection to Elizabeth, N.J. and the Mravlag name. Then call the office and engage them in conversation re: request for burial info. They receive many written requests from individuals across the U.S. Save time and possibly get more info. if you establish a verbal contact with them. susan ---- Original Message ----- From: <LMJack15@aol.com> To: <njessex@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2007 7:40 PM Subject: Re: [NJESSEX] Mravlag naturalization & Evergreen Cemetery > > In a message dated 3/8/2007 4:31:42 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > mafu51wi@yahoo.com writes: > > Before I order films from the LDS, I am wondering where I could get a > Petition for Naturalization for Victor Mravlag naturalized about 1878. > He lived in > Elizabeth NJ so I assume this took place in the Union County Court > System. > Are these available if I call the courthouse. > > I have checked the Random Acts of Genealogical Kindness for someone who > would photograph/research at Evergreen Cemetery. Being unfamiliar with > Union > County I am wondering if there is anyone who I could contact to do this > for me. > I have made a written request for a search (with a check) to Evergreen > Cemetery per their instructions, but to date have gotten no response from > them. I > am interested in photographs which they don't do. > > Thank you, > > Mary > Wisconsin > > > > > http://communities.msn.com/genealogy2000 > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/genealogy2002/ > > --------------------------------- > Sucker-punch spam with award-winning protection. > Try the free Yahoo! Mail Beta. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NJESSEX-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the > body of the message > > > > If you enter the grave into the Find A Grave database > (_www.findagrave.com_ > (http://www.findagrave.com) ), you can request a free photograph of the > headstone. They have photo volunteers who are not allowed to accept > money for > photos. > > Linda > Danbury CT > <BR><BR><BR>**************************************<BR> AOL now offers free > email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at > http://www.aol.com. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NJESSEX-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.8/714 - Release Date: 3/8/2007 > 10:58 AM > >

Well, rules are rules aren't they? Let's take digital pictures with our cell phones. We can say we were just making a call ;-) Good luck, Beverly G. McDonough ----- Original Message ----- From: <Tiriba@aol.com> To: <njessex@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2007 8:43 PM Subject: Re: [NJESSEX] Holy Sepulchre cemetery > FYI- I was photographing a family grave at Holy Sepulchre in East Orange a > few months ago when one of their trucks pulled up and the employee said > that > photos are not permitted. > <BR><BR><BR>**************************************<BR> AOL now offers free > email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at > http://www.aol.com. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NJESSEX-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Dan, The other response was pretty good. If you are standing at the main entrance to the cemetery and walk straight in....you will walk into six sections referred to as the 'Saints Sections' --- each section is broken down into paths and each path is labeled with a Saints name. Thats all that is on the small map I received from the office staff. Cheers, Jack -- "Dan McFeeley" <mcfeeley@keynet.net> wrote: Hello all -- Is anyone on this list familiar with Holy Sepulchre cemetery, in East Orange? We were able to locate the grave certificates for our Irish immigrant family, Michael and Susie McFeeley, and their children, in the St. Gervase and Protase section, but my NJ cousins (I'm a NJ native living in Illinois) have had difficulty finding the exact site. Here are photobucket links to scanned images of the certificates for our great grandparents Michael and Susie McFeeley: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v676/mcfeeley/michael.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v676/mcfeeley/susie.jpg Would anyone have any tips on where the site might be? They may be grave markers buried under the snow right now, and difficult to find. -- Dan McFeeley Kankakee, Illinois ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NJESSEX-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message