DNA tests say Lindbergh fathered three children in Germany Fri Nov 28, 5:39 PM ET MUNICH, Germany (AFP) - DNA tests have confirmed that all-American hero and aviator Charles Lindbergh fathered three illegitimate children in Germany, their spokesman said. In a statement, he said the tests supported their assertions that Lindbergh, who won instant celebrity for making the first solo, non-stop transatlantic flight in 1927, was their father. The probes, examined by a Munich university medical centre, compared their DNA with a sample from a member of Lindbergh's family. The result, handed in writing to the three last week, showed a probability of paternity of more than 99 percent. "They never had any doubt about the question," the spokesman Anton Schwenk told AFP when asked about their reaction. He said they had since made contact with Lindbergh's US family. Astrid Bouteuil, now 43, and brothers Dyrk and David Hesshaimer, 45 and 36 respectively, told the German Sueddeutsche Zeitung daily in August that they only learned their father's identity after his death in 1974. According to them, quoting a clutch of letters he wrote, Lindbergh fell in love with a 31-year-old Munich hat maker, Brigitte Hesshaimer, during a visit to Germany in 1957 and continued to see her until his death. The children were born between 1958 and 1967. They were listed in official records as "father unknown," but they say he visited them often and supported them financially. They said they only felt able to come forward after their mother died two years ago. The spokesman said the children would not be making any comment. A book and a television documentary are currently in production in Germany about the affair. Traditionally, Lindbergh has been portrayed as a happily married family man with five children. The claims that he fathered illegitimate children were met with deep scepticism in the United States. Schwenk said, however, that Bouteuil and the Hesshaimers had met in Europe with members of Lindbergh's US family since August. "The establishment of family relations will grow naturally," he added. "The gap of so many years cannot be bridged in a few hours." Later in August, the German news magazine Focus claimed that Lindbergh had another two illegitimate children in Germany -- the fruits of a relationship with Hesshaimer's sister Marietta. It said Marietta was now living in Switzerland in a house built for her by the aviator. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now

Listers Happy Thanksgiving. Steve.

Calling on friends who know Jersey lore, can anyone help us connect? Below is Bill's information. That was a great story Bill about the sheep. Let me know who or the site you came across in '98. I just may have their line, collect McGarry trees and McGarry names. Hickey pops into my head as one there. I was born in Newark, lived in East Orange, NJ. What's really spooky is in 1930 on of our lines which, later married McGarry's, lived at 16 Ridge in Orange, NJ, and our McGarry's ran a toy shop during the war. My Martin's parents came to NJ @ 1893, lived at 327 Valley Road in 1910-20. My relatives may have come over to join up with yours, as ours came much later (1883-90). Thanks for reading, Sheila, Tim's Mom (sadly Tim is still in the hospital) Bill McGarry <[email protected]> wrote: Hi, After my "sheep thieves" story, I had better introduce myself. I'm Bill McGarry and live in Liberty Lake, Washington (next to Spokane on the Idaho border and this is high desert and so it's very dry here.) I was born and raised in Clifton, New Jersey and am trying to get more info on my line of McGarry's from NJ, NY and Ireland. And before you ask, this is a different line of McGarry's than the NJ McGarry's that Tim McGarry is pursuing (although they may be linked further on back.) My g.g.grandfather, John McGarry, came from Ireland to the East New York section of Brooklyn about 1844 with a son (John, 6 yr) and daughter (no name). He abandoned the two children and was never heard from again; they were raised by an aunt. The son married Mary McCabe and about 1871, they moved to Kingsland, New Jersey (now known as Lyndhurst.) John opened "McGarry's Store" in the 400 block of Ridge Road near Valleybrook Avenue by the end point of the trolley. Apparently this area is still known by the same name which is "McGarry's Corner". About 1902, John got tired of riding to Nutley to go to church so he donated land at 524 Ridge Road to Sacred Heart RC Church. John's children were Mary Anna (Hickey), Rose Anna (Hobin), John T., Charles and Walter. Walter married Anna Brown (born somewhere in Ireland) and their children were Frances (Mura), Margaret (Fleischer), Frank, George and William. Walter lived in Wallington, around the corner from another Sacred Heart RC Church. Somewhere around 1970-1980, Sacred Heart enlarged and purchased the house and land. Kind of strange, huh? -- land from two McGarry's go to church's called Sacred Heart. William married Betty Janish from East Rutherford and moved to Clifton 53 years ago where I was born 52 years ago. I have not been able to find where in Ireland John McGarry came from. I also do not know where he went, why he went, who his wife was, what happened to her, his daughter's name, the aunt's name, etc. I was very fortunate when I first searched the Internet back in 1998 for John McGarry -- the very first site that I went to turned out to be a descendant of John McGarry. She had extensive information on the McGarry's that I never knew about and even had (and sent) me a phot of my grandfather's wife when she was a young woman. If you have any information on any of these McGarry's or you need any information from me, please let me know! Bill McGarry --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now

Looking for information on Dr. Henry Norris, who was born in Elizabethtown, became a physician, moved to York County, PA and was a very active Loyalist during the Revolution. He inherited family land in Elizabethtown. If anyone has ties to this family, I'm trying to determine when and where he died. I believe he may have died in Chester County, PA (possibly Goshen Twp.) in the 1790's. Any clues would be appreciated. Thanks. Fred Kelso PA

Looking for a McDonald/MacDonald family in Newark in 1900. Father's name is John; mother's name is Mary. They have a 2-4 year old female child I would like to find out the first name for. Also could someone give me their street address. Any help would be appreciated. Judy in NC

Hello List: Does anyone here know where I might find a list of members of Congregation Oheb Shalom and Congregation B'nai Jeshuran in Newark for the period 1866 to 1880? Many thanks. Dave

Essex County listers - In a moment of great efficiency, I have created a new email address for my family research links. I shall be unsubscribing from this list for this email address but have just subscribed with a new email address: [email protected] I'll still be using this email address - but hopefully now just for non-genealogy matters. Regards. Peter Charles in rural Buckinghamshire, England - researching HUNTER, BENNETT and BOWER - all in Essex County from circa 1835

I am seeking information from a will, probate, estate settlement, etc., for John Benjamin Zeliff/Zeluff who supposedly died November 2, 1796 in Essex Co., NJ. It's reported his name was just Benjamin Zeliff, so I don't know if his will would be filed under John Benjamin or just Benjamin. His wife's name was Mary "Polly" Ward-Zeliff, daughter of Zebediah Ward, and I'd like to have the information from her will, estate settlement, etc., also. She died after her husband, but I'm not sure of her exact death date. She, too, died in Essex Co., NJ. Mary's father was Zebediah Ward and she was born Feb. 27, 1759. I know this couple were members of the Dutch Reformed Church - could you steer me towards church records for that time period that might help me research this family? I am trying to prove/disprove whether my Zebediah Zeluff (b. 12/4/1785 New Jersey; d. 5/1/1869 Dundee Twp., Monroe Co., MI) was this couple's son, and I need documentation to prove who their children were. Judy Harvey [email protected]

In a message dated 11/18/2003 9:28:44 PM Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: > Others are > listed in the grave and lot number and a saints name. Others have neither a > > sect. or a saints name. Does this make sense to anyone out there? > > I have someone buried there in Mary Magdalene Lane if this is any help. It seems they name the rows. Dot 000---Outgoing email scanned by Norton Antivirus---000

Hi Rita, I don't know what list you are looking at but I do know that the older sections are listed by the path that they are located on. Each path is named after a saint. My grandparents are on St. Michael's path, Lot 13. The remainder of the cemetery is marked off by letters or numbers. I have a small sketch printed by the cemetery that I can try to scan and send to you off list if you would like. Carol ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2003 9:27 PM Subject: [NJESSEX] Holy Sepulcher Hi, I have a puzzle with their listings. The burials go back to 1894 up to 1937 and include 32 people. We know who some of them are and are still researching the others. However, there doesn't seem to be any rhyme or reason as to where they are buried. Some are listed in a Grave l, lot 88, Sect. H. Others are listed in the grave and lot number and a saints name. Others have neither a sect. or a saints name. Does this make sense to anyone out there? Thank you, Rita ==== NJESSEX Mailing List ==== Know the town name but not county? Search: <http://www.state.nj.us/infobank/locality.htm> ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Hi, I have a puzzle with their listings. The burials go back to 1894 up to 1937 and include 32 people. We know who some of them are and are still researching the others. However, there doesn't seem to be any rhyme or reason as to where they are buried. Some are listed in a Grave l, lot 88, Sect. H. Others are listed in the grave and lot number and a saints name. Others have neither a sect. or a saints name. Does this make sense to anyone out there? Thank you, Rita

Gwen, I visited Rosedale Cemetery in June. It is huge and a lovely place. Shirley in the office was very helpful. You cannot search records on your own but she will pull information for you and give you a map and directions. Louise in CA

Hi, Is Rosedale Cemetery the oldest or largest in Orange/East-West Orange, NJ that ancestors would have been buried in 1881 and 1897? I am trying to locate the sites of my great,great,great grandparents. Just found their death notices in the NY Times this week. Has any one worked with them to know what their policy is to release information and what they may charge? Thank you Gwen in WA State

If someone is living in the Belleville area and could or would photograph the residence of 121 Belmohr St., I would appreciate it very much. My dad's aunt and uncle lived there until after his death in 1957. I spent many happy hours there in their home when I was growing up but I have no photos of this lovely stone home. I am willing to pay the costs of whoever is willing and able to do this for me. Thank you. Mona in Richmond, IN

Mona, you could also try RAOGK -- they are wonderful people. A letter to "Occupant" may be ignored, as mine was. I am resending this message to the list because I believe I goofed and sent the message only to Jan Jacot rather than to you and the list. Louise in CA

Hi Mona, just of a small thought--but have you ever considered writing snailmail request to that address in c/o of the current householder...might prove out helpful.... Good luck, Jan in CA -- ... life is a gift, use it well every day... ---------- >From: [email protected] >To: [email protected] >Subject: [NJESSEX] Still desire photo of 121 Belmohr St., Belleville, NJ >Date: Sat, Nov 15, 2003, 4:59 AM > > If someone is living in the Belleville area and could or would photograph the > residence of 121 Belmohr St., I would appreciate it very much. My dad's aunt > and uncle lived there until after his death in 1957. I spent many happy > hours there in their home when I was growing up but I have no photos of this > lovely stone home. I am willing to pay the costs of whoever is willing and > able to > do this for me. > > Thank you. > > Mona in Richmond, IN >

1. As far as I know, 21 was the age of maturity. 2. A planatation was a farm, often a larger one. It was often used in the period. What was known as Connecticut Farms (Union area) was also called Connecticut Planations. Providence, Rhode Island, was Providence Plantations. When Stephen Brown(e) of Newark and Elizabeth willed his land in present-day Union, Maplewood, and Irvington to his four sons, he described it as a planation, and it must have contained several hundred acres. 3. The will is unusual in ordering the land to be sold. Among the English one son often inherited the land of the father. It was not, however, always the oldest son, as the oldest son may have moved on to another location, and one of the younger sons would get the property. 4. People of Dutch background favored an equal division of the property, but had to state that in the will because the "defaualt" would have privileged the sons. In your case, it may be that the man dying felt that the farm could not be broken up (and support the people working it) or that his sons and sons-in-law had other occupations. 5. Another possibility is that the deceased had already sold land to some of his heirs. 6. You may find the deed registered. And you should find the information on the sale of the land filed with the court documents on his will. Wilson Brown >>> "Betty Clingman" <[email protected]> 11/14/03 01:58PM >>> Hi List, Thanks for all the interesting discussion on the various methods of comparing 1700's and modern valuation of estates. It was very helpful. Now I have a couple of new questions. Actually three. Was 21 the established age of majority for males in New Jersey in 1750? In the ancestor's will that I am transcribing from microfilm, he uses the term "arrives at the age of eighteen years" when referring to his daughter but uses the term "of age" when referring to his sons, not giving a specific age in years. Next question: The will orders that five years after his death, his land ("plantation" in Somerset County) is to be sold. At that time, his daughters are to receive a fixed amount set out in the will with the remaining proceeds from the sale of the land to be divided among the wife and sons. My questions is this: was it the common practice at that time to order that real property be sold and the proceeds paid to the heirs rather than willing the land itself directly to the heirs? Last question for today: Exactly what did the term "plantation" mean in 1750's New Jersey lingo? Thanks for all the input. I appreciate it. Betty Louisiana P.S. For any of you Somerset County researcher who are pursuing the MORRISON family, I am transcribing the complete will of John MORRISON of Basking Ridge, dated 17 June 1751, proved 25 Oct 1753. Let me know if you are interested. ==== NJESSEX Mailing List ==== Know the town name but not county? Search: <http://www.state.nj.us/infobank/locality.htm> ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Hi List, Thanks for all the interesting discussion on the various methods of comparing 1700's and modern valuation of estates. It was very helpful. Now I have a couple of new questions. Actually three. Was 21 the established age of majority for males in New Jersey in 1750? In the ancestor's will that I am transcribing from microfilm, he uses the term "arrives at the age of eighteen years" when referring to his daughter but uses the term "of age" when referring to his sons, not giving a specific age in years. Next question: The will orders that five years after his death, his land ("plantation" in Somerset County) is to be sold. At that time, his daughters are to receive a fixed amount set out in the will with the remaining proceeds from the sale of the land to be divided among the wife and sons. My questions is this: was it the common practice at that time to order that real property be sold and the proceeds paid to the heirs rather than willing the land itself directly to the heirs? Last question for today: Exactly what did the term "plantation" mean in 1750's New Jersey lingo? Thanks for all the input. I appreciate it. Betty Louisiana P.S. For any of you Somerset County researcher who are pursuing the MORRISON family, I am transcribing the complete will of John MORRISON of Basking Ridge, dated 17 June 1751, proved 25 Oct 1753. Let me know if you are interested.

Hi Terry, Where are your McGarry's from? Where did you get the Coat of Arms, is it an actual ancient one or photo, tell us more. There's a lot of us out here, just lurking, we need to get the ole Clan fires burning and join up to help each other's research along. Anyone's more than welcome to correct me or add on. Always keep the McGarry humor, "Some family Coat of Arms tie in the back." Searching COLL, CARNEY, EGAN, MURRAY, NOONAN, SHARKEY, O'RORKE, DALY, BEIRNE, MANNING, REDMOND, CASSERLY, and all McGARRY's. 1838 (so far) Boyle, Frenchpark, Castlereagh, Roscommon, Ireland to Fairfield, CT & Essex, NJ, USA 1890 McGarry - Mag Fhearadhaigh, Mac Fearadais Fear Garbh Ar Maith - A good blunt man here Argent a lion rampant between four trefoils slipt vert, in chief a lizard passant vert. Crest: A fox's head couped gules holding in the mouth a snake proper. The Lion represents upright strength The Shamrocks are the four Christian provinces of Ireland The Green Lizard..the ancient emblem of pagan Ireland (we're mentioned @ 1300's) Head piece represents land ownership entitlement. Snake in mouth represents attacking evil. Our Motto reads, "The McGarry men are good." The Oak leaves represent that it is an ancient and strong family. Terry McGarry <[email protected]> wrote: I was recently given the McGarry coat of arms. On it are the words "Fear Garbh As Maith." Does anyone know what it means? Thanks. Terry ==== MCGARRY Mailing List ==== If you have a problem with this list contact the listowner, Mark McGarry: [email protected] ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard

Hello Everyone! The first joint lecture series sponsored by the NJ State Archives and the Genealogical Society of New Jersey wrapped up on November 5 with a most interesting "Ask the Experts" evening. The lecture series was eight evening lectures on a variety of topics. Information on the speakers and topics can be found on the GSNJ's website: www.gsnj.org under the link "Exploring Your Jersey Roots." The lectures were wonderful and I wish everyone could have attended. I learned so much from these lectures and will be keeping my syllabus materials handy for future reference! We hope to co-sponsor other lecture series with the State Archives in the future so that we can continue to provide everyone with this type of information. We promised to make the syllabus available for purchase once the final page count and cost was determined. The syllabus contains all of the handouts from all of the lectures. We have tallied the pages and costs and now pass the information along to you for your consideration. The final syllabus for all eight lectures is just over 100 pages of information, samples, forms and examples. It presents a truly amazing amount of useful material!! It is being made available for purchase for $20.00, including postage and taxes. Order forms and additional information will be available on the GSNJ website (www.gsnj.org) in the near future. You needn't wait for the official order form, however. Order your very own copy now by sending a note and a $20.00 check, made payable to the GSNJ (or Genealogical Society of New Jersey), to the following address: GSNJ P.O. Box 1476, Trenton, NJ 08607 Unfortunately, we are not able to accept credit cards. Individual lecture handouts are not available separately at this time. If you have any questions, please feel free to contact me at mailto:[email protected] Thank you all for your interest and we hope you will find the syllabus materials to be useful, fun, and informative! Please feel free to forward this message to any other lists or people you think would be interested. Sincerely Joan M. Lowry Joan M. Lowry mailto:[email protected]