I made the trip to to Mount Pleasant in Mvl and found the grave of my Margaret Langley Gifford Sheppard. She was born Jy 10, 1853 and d. Jy 30, 1921. Her stone says she was wife of John W. Gifford and then "the late wife of" Jacob D. Sheppard. She is buried next to John, whose stone LOOKS like Jy 17, 1840 to Apr 12, 1902.) In front of, but outside their curbed plot are small stones for an Ella V. Camp and a Frank M., with no dates. I get the impression these were babies. At the back of their plot, within the curbing, is a stone saying "Ella, dau. of John W. and Mary E. Gifford, July 30, 1867 to Aug. 23, 1885. " Next to this 18 year old girl's stone is a small one for "Elmer Carr, July 7, 1891, age 1 year." Obviously this is not Ella's baby, since she died in 1885, but whose is it? Someone obviously liked the name Ella. I really think these are all Giffords, not Sheppards (they just let my Margaret "in" because she was mother of some Giffords.) ----Original Message Follows---- From: "leslie" <[email protected]> To: "Dol Sol" <[email protected]>,"NJCumber" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [NJCUMBER] Gifford-Hann-Spencer-Pettit-Langley (attn. Ravyn) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 18:20:54 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) I reply to both I do not know why Ravyn has not answered me. I don't understand how the mailing list work either. Leslie ASAP Life is a gift shaped by choices. War does not determine who is right, war determine who is left !! . -------Original Message------- From: Dol Sol Date: 03/17/05 12:59:54 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [NJCUMBER] Gifford-Hann-Spencer-Pettit-Langley (attn. Ravyn) (to Leslie only; not to any List) Leslie, I am "corn-fused" about the difference between NJ Cumberland's "Mailing List" and their actual website that you can view by going to rootsweb.com, then state, then county. Why can't they MERGE and get it over with???? I am wondering if this Ravyn even saw what I wrote, since apparently some msgs. go to just one group. Also, did you not post your msg. below to NJ-Cumberland, instead of just me? Ravyn, or someone else, might help with Hann and these other names if it's posted; but as I said, I only was concerned about this one Gifford and thought i'd help out, since she apparently has not looked at the various census. Have you? As of today, I started going right to the "live" NJ-Cumberland site, posting there if I have something to say, then hoping that it gets to the "list" also. ----Original Message Follows---- From: "leslie" <[email protected]> To: "Dol Sol" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [NJCUMBER] Gifford-Hann-Spencer-Pettit-Langley (attn. Ravyn) Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 14:02:46 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) I am interested in Ella Hann Pettit. I am working on all Hanns in South Jersey Ella's parents where Alfred and Rebecca S. Scull Hann they had seven children. I knew Ella ( sometimes Ellen) married a Pettit, but know nothing else, can you fill me in. Thank You, Leslie ASAP Life is a gift shaped by choices. War does not determine who is right, war determine who is left !! .. -------Original Message------- From: Dol Sol Date: 02/20/05 18:48:14 To: [email protected] Subject: [NJCUMBER] Gifford-Hann-Spencer-Pettit-Langley (attn. Ravyn) Ravyn, you claim to have anecdotal info on many Cumberland County surnames you recently mentioned. I assume that means youve heard stories, but neither you nor any of your cousins have actually gone to historical societies or courthouses for the "real thing." You also did not quote from any Census data, but since I have a distant Gifford myself (nee Margaret Langley 1850's to 1920's), I did check the 1920 Census for you, as a jump-start. In 1920 Millville, renting on Sassafras St., is Richard Hann, age 30 and wife Tillie, 28. He is a general laborer. They had no children, nor had they yet taken in their niece (your grandmother) Ella. Renting next door is a widow, Sarah Spencer, 73, and her single daughter Ella, 38 (born approx. 1882). Sarah also houses a granddaughter Ella Pettit, 8 (who is obviously your GM, born in 1911.) Was this older Ella the one who married a Gifford? Sarah Spencer's 1920 household also includes a stepson Charlie, age 47. None of the 3 adults has any occupation listed. There may be some errors here, but the way the clerk wrote it, the surnames of Charlie and the older Ella were both Spencer (but, could Charlie actually be a son in LAW, instead of STEP-son?) I tried to back up to the 1910 C., but there is no Sarah Spencer anywhere near age 63. The Millville Historical Society surely has several obituaries you need -- and -I think - - suggests only nominal donations (maybe $5 per request?) Write to them at 200 E. Main St., Millville NJ 08332 or phone 856-825-7000, extension 275. They do not have e-mail. MHS has Millville census records from 1830 - 1880; obituary files from 1936-1974; Mt. Pleasant Cemetery records -- and many surprises. If you have any willing co-researcher within reasonable distance, their 2nd and Main St. headquarters is open from 1 to 4 on Sundays and Wednesdays -- but phone first, as they have only a few volunteers (who might be ill and need to close). You can also access the NJ Census at many historical societies and libraries, OR your nearest Mormon center in any nation (Church of Jesus Christ of the Latter Day Saints). You may also pay for a subscription to Ancestry.com or HeritageQuest, to access the Census and more. Your library might even have HQ at no charge for members, or an Ancestry subscription you can use on the premises. -- Delaware Dolores (Langley)