Hi,? Did Thesdosia Diament? live on Jones Island in Fairton Twp?? I am not sure If I saw that right or not.? Do you know?? I know she was in Bridgeton NJ. Cumberland Co.? Loralee -----Original Message----- From: williammclean <williammclean@hughes.net> To: NJCUMBER-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 6:14 pm Subject: [NJCUMBER] Map/census While it is true that Cape May and Cumberland exchanged land several times (usually for a year or two and not during census years) it was only in Maurice River Twsp (current Eldora, Delmont Cumberland I believe). Millville and Downe were never in Cape May County. Ancestry must be in error in indexing. Bill McLean Fairton, Fairfield Twsp, Cumberland County (once in Salem until the mid 1700's) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NJCUMBER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi,? There are Beelers in Knoxville, Knox Co. Tn.? This is where I believe Samuel Henderson and Lucy Rykeman/Richman lived.? They lived across the Holston River, Knoxville, Tn. Knox Co.? I seem to have a Charles Sheppard who is related to Carol Dante'.? I have Thomas Clark who m. Sarah Luff and Nathaniel Luff who m. Sarah Hunn.? I also have John Henderson who m. Theodosia Diament dau of James Diament and Theodosia Elmer of Cumberland Co. NJ.? I believe there is a Ogden related but I am not sure of this.? Thank for the info.? Loralee -----Original Message----- From: M. Kathleen Felsted <mkfelsted@gmail.com> To: njcumber@rootsweb.com; wvharris@rootsweb.com; husted@rootsweb.com Sent: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 8:35 pm Subject: [NJCUMBER] Ogden, a Jersey man... Col David Sheppard Hi There, Quoted in *The Border Ward of the Upper Ohio Valley (1769-1794)* by William Hintzen. 1. Here is a brief mention of a man killed in 1777 (The Year of the Bloody Sevens) . "An article in the *Maryland Journal* in the spring of 1777 gives only an inkling; referring to incidents beginning in mid-April they reported: ....The same day another express arrived who brought an account of a man being found murdered near Wheeling"; *also one Ogden, a Jersey man, was found killed and scalped near the mouth of Racoon Creek...." * (I have other relatives who were on that creek = Fulk, Beeler) * * 2. There are several mentions of Col. David Shepherd, William Shepherd ,his oldest son, and Shepherd's Fort. Kathie -- M. Kathleen Felsted mkfelsted@gmail.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NJCUMBER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi There, Quoted in *The Border Ward of the Upper Ohio Valley (1769-1794)* by William Hintzen. 1. Here is a brief mention of a man killed in 1777 (The Year of the Bloody Sevens) . "An article in the *Maryland Journal* in the spring of 1777 gives only an inkling; referring to incidents beginning in mid-April they reported: ....The same day another express arrived who brought an account of a man being found murdered near Wheeling"; *also one Ogden, a Jersey man, was found killed and scalped near the mouth of Racoon Creek...." * (I have other relatives who were on that creek = Fulk, Beeler) * * 2. There are several mentions of Col. David Shepherd, William Shepherd ,his oldest son, and Shepherd's Fort. Kathie -- M. Kathleen Felsted mkfelsted@gmail.com

Can't speak for all the PHAROs, but one line I'm familiar with were members of the Chestefield Monthly Meeting in Burlington County, NJ. ,James Pharo, of Great Drayton, Nottinghamshire, d. Nottingham, Burlington Co., N.J., May 1688, bur. Chesterfield Monthly Meeting, Burlington Co., N.J., 31 May 1688 m. Bawtry, Nottinghamshire, 13 Dec. 1673 is said to have been an ancestor of Al Gore. My PHARO line was a seafaring family. Originally from Nottinghamshire, England, The progenitor in this country, Jarvis Pharo, married his wife Elizabeth Willetts in Hempstead, LI, NY in 1701. By the late 1700s they were in Ocean, NJ. No reason so far to believe they were gypsies! :) On Mar 7, 2008, at 12:09 PM, gc-gateway@rootsweb.com wrote: > Did the Pharo family have Gypsy roots? >

While it is true that Cape May and Cumberland exchanged land several times (usually for a year or two and not during census years) it was only in Maurice River Twsp (current Eldora, Delmont Cumberland I believe). Millville and Downe were never in Cape May County. Ancestry must be in error in indexing. Bill McLean Fairton, Fairfield Twsp, Cumberland County (once in Salem until the mid 1700's)

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: ladylvsnyt1 Surnames: Pharo Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.newjersey.counties.cumberland/1081.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I was looking specifically for the Gypsy Camps in Cumberland County, especially along the Maurice River and Cohansey Creek. What was their ethnic origin? German Chickener or French or Greek or Spanish (Spain)? Did the Pharo family have Gypsy roots? Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: hjones55313 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.newjersey.counties.cumberland/1081.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Gypsies come from all over - Ireland, Romania, Bulgaria, Hungary, etc. One theory is that the word Gypsy comes from Egypt, where a family might have been banned and so they traveled to other countries. Another theory is that Gypsies actually originate from India, then travelled to other countries and married, making the origins vast. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

The book below tells the story of the 7th Day Baptists ,from Shrewsbury, N.J to New Salem WV this group first members were out Rev Holmes Newport RI First Baptist Church about 1660s ,Rev Holmes was not happy about then braking off from his church The 1905 book A History of the Seventh Day Baptists in West Virginia: at http://books.google.com/books?id=ThpNXY8ZoEsC&pg=RA1-PA406&dq=7TH+DAY+BAPTIST&lr=&as_brr=1#PPA25,M1 at http://books.google.com/ search "7TH DAY BAPTIST" if you used "Full view " you see a list of book that you can read and search. Richard Brandstetter brandstetter.photo@verizon.net www.weddings-nj.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "M. Kathleen Felsted" <mkfelsted@gmail.com> To: <clark-champaign@rootsweb.com>; <njcumber@rootsweb.com>; <wvharris@rootsweb.com>; <husted@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 3:35 PM Subject: [WVHARRIS] New Jersey to Clark County, OH by way of VA? > Hi Marilyn, > > There does seem to be a couple of different migrations to Clark > County/Champaign County from NJ and other points going on. And I hope > someone can jump in and correct this if my surmises are wrong!!! > > 1.) In the middle 1700s, groups left NJ to go to Virginia (a Baptist > group, > Quakers, who else?) > > *A. from Virginia Frontier Defenses, 1719-1795 by Roy Bird Cook* > > *Forts in the Virginia (now West Virginia) area: * > > *http://www.wvculture.org/HISTORY/journal_wvh/wvh1-2-4.html* > > *SALEM - A blockhouse situated on the site of New Salem, now Salem, > erected > by a group of settlers of Salem, New Jersey. * > > *B. http://www.maxson2000.net/janehm2.htm* > > *The Seventh Day Baptists joined the westward migration. A group of > Sabbatarians, which included Joseph, 1692- 1747 and Bethiah, 1693-1747 > (Maxson) Maxson and some of their children sailed to Shrewsbury, N.J. > where > a church had been established. Later members traveled to New York, > settling > first in Madison County, then, as the trails opened, moving to Allegany > County.* > > *In each town that these Seventh Day Baptists settled, they established a > church. In some towns academies were begun, several of them turning into > colleges and universities. Of the latter, Salem (now Salem-Teikyo) College > in West Virginia, Alfred University in New York and Albion College in > Wisconsin were all founded by Sabbatarian congregations.* > > *The Hopkinton Seventh Day Baptist Church still holds services each > Saturday > in the village of Ashaway, R.I. If you have a Hiscox, Burdick, Coon or > Stillman in your family tree, chances are that your ancestors ministered > in > this congregation along with the early Maxson men. *(Coon married into my > Husted line in Iowa...) > ** > 2) In the 1770s I have recently found out that some Indian treaties with > Virginia opened up lands beyond the ridge of the Appalachians, which > "broke" > the Kings Proclamation Line and some people moved then. Lord Dunsmore's > War > of 1774 also exposed large group of men to the Ohio/Kentucky areas. > > 3) About 1805ish there seems to be another group that left NJ and came to > Champaign County area. I believe that is the time that Joseph Newcomb > Husted's family came there - directly from NJ. My John Husted (some > relation to Joseph, but how exactly is unclear at the time to me) came > about > the same time - by way of Virginia. It is entirely possible he also was > born in the NJ area.... > > Kathie > > Some family names that married into the Husteds: Bacon, Feris/Faris, > McDaniel/McDonald, Greathouse, Davis, Ford, Ferguson, Hawk, Taylor, > Harris, > Stanley, Haneline/Hanley, etc.... > > On Wed, Mar 5, 2008 at 1:07 PM, <GNEOLOG@aol.com> wrote: > >> >> In a message dated 3/5/2008 10:53:28 A.M. Central Standard Time, >> w420@earthlink.net writes: >> >> Whatever the story, these families did settle in what became Bethel >> Township. >> >> >> >> So there is no telling where my Joseph Allen was between his birth in >> 1800 >> and his marriage in 1822. UGH. Take care all, Marilyn >> >> >> >> **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & >> Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> CLARK-CHAMPAIGN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > -- > M. Kathleen Felsted > mkfelsted@gmail.com > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WVHARRIS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

These maps are very useful Glenn Jerrell ----- Original Message ----- From: <inn118@aol.com> To: <gc-gateway@rootsweb.com>; <njcumber@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 6:17 PM Subject: Re: [NJCUMBER] 1840 Ancestry.com census error? > Thank you for the link!? What a great map....use "play" buttons at bottom > of map.? > Regards,? Joan > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: gc-gateway@rootsweb.com <gc-gateway@rootsweb.com> > To: NJCUMBER-L@rootsweb.com > Sent: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 4:24 pm > Subject: Re: [NJCUMBER] 1840 Ancestry.com census error? > > > > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > Author: jiggilypuffs > Surnames: > Classification: queries > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.newjersey.counties.cumberland/2508.1/mb.ashx > > Message Board Post: > > Hi. It's not an error. The boundary for Cumberland county was different > and > those towns were in Cape May at that time. > > You can cycle thru the county map boundary changes over time at this > website. > > http://www.mynewjerseygenealogy.com/nj_maps/nj_cf.htm > > > -andrea > > Important Note: > The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you > would like > to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and > respond > on the board. > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NJCUMBER-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > of > the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NJCUMBER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: jiggilypuffs Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.newjersey.counties.cumberland/2508.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi. It's not an error. The boundary for Cumberland county was different and those towns were in Cape May at that time. You can cycle thru the county map boundary changes over time at this website. http://www.mynewjerseygenealogy.com/nj_maps/nj_cf.htm -andrea Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: BruceAir Surnames: Classification: census Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.newjersey.counties.cumberland/2508/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Ancestry's 1840 census lists the following Twps. in CAPE MAY Co: Downe, Maurice River, and Millville, which obviously are in CUMBERLAND. Does this type of transcription error happen often? It sure pays to double check our (their) data. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Thank you for the link!? What a great map....use "play" buttons at bottom of map.? Regards,? Joan -----Original Message----- From: gc-gateway@rootsweb.com <gc-gateway@rootsweb.com> To: NJCUMBER-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 4:24 pm Subject: Re: [NJCUMBER] 1840 Ancestry.com census error? This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: jiggilypuffs Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.newjersey.counties.cumberland/2508.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi. It's not an error. The boundary for Cumberland county was different and those towns were in Cape May at that time. You can cycle thru the county map boundary changes over time at this website. http://www.mynewjerseygenealogy.com/nj_maps/nj_cf.htm -andrea Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NJCUMBER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Marilyn, There does seem to be a couple of different migrations to Clark County/Champaign County from NJ and other points going on. And I hope someone can jump in and correct this if my surmises are wrong!!! 1.) In the middle 1700s, groups left NJ to go to Virginia (a Baptist group, Quakers, who else?) *A. from Virginia Frontier Defenses, 1719-1795 by Roy Bird Cook* *Forts in the Virginia (now West Virginia) area: * *http://www.wvculture.org/HISTORY/journal_wvh/wvh1-2-4.html* *SALEM - A blockhouse situated on the site of New Salem, now Salem, erected by a group of settlers of Salem, New Jersey. * *B. http://www.maxson2000.net/janehm2.htm* *The Seventh Day Baptists joined the westward migration. A group of Sabbatarians, which included Joseph, 1692- 1747 and Bethiah, 1693-1747 (Maxson) Maxson and some of their children sailed to Shrewsbury, N.J. where a church had been established. Later members traveled to New York, settling first in Madison County, then, as the trails opened, moving to Allegany County.* *In each town that these Seventh Day Baptists settled, they established a church. In some towns academies were begun, several of them turning into colleges and universities. Of the latter, Salem (now Salem-Teikyo) College in West Virginia, Alfred University in New York and Albion College in Wisconsin were all founded by Sabbatarian congregations.* *The Hopkinton Seventh Day Baptist Church still holds services each Saturday in the village of Ashaway, R.I. If you have a Hiscox, Burdick, Coon or Stillman in your family tree, chances are that your ancestors ministered in this congregation along with the early Maxson men. *(Coon married into my Husted line in Iowa...) ** 2) In the 1770s I have recently found out that some Indian treaties with Virginia opened up lands beyond the ridge of the Appalachians, which "broke" the Kings Proclamation Line and some people moved then. Lord Dunsmore's War of 1774 also exposed large group of men to the Ohio/Kentucky areas. 3) About 1805ish there seems to be another group that left NJ and came to Champaign County area. I believe that is the time that Joseph Newcomb Husted's family came there - directly from NJ. My John Husted (some relation to Joseph, but how exactly is unclear at the time to me) came about the same time - by way of Virginia. It is entirely possible he also was born in the NJ area.... Kathie Some family names that married into the Husteds: Bacon, Feris/Faris, McDaniel/McDonald, Greathouse, Davis, Ford, Ferguson, Hawk, Taylor, Harris, Stanley, Haneline/Hanley, etc.... On Wed, Mar 5, 2008 at 1:07 PM, <GNEOLOG@aol.com> wrote: > > In a message dated 3/5/2008 10:53:28 A.M. Central Standard Time, > w420@earthlink.net writes: > > Whatever the story, these families did settle in what became Bethel > Township. > > > > So there is no telling where my Joseph Allen was between his birth in 1800 > and his marriage in 1822. UGH. Take care all, Marilyn > > > > **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & > Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CLARK-CHAMPAIGN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- M. Kathleen Felsted mkfelsted@gmail.com

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: JoanMcAllister51 Surnames: Elmer, Ewing, Fithian, Howell, Hunt, Hunter, Miller, Moore, Newcomb, Parvin, Pierson, Seeley, Sheppard, Stacks, Whitecar Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.newjersey.counties.cumberland/2507/mb.ashx Message Board Post: We are looking for descedents of Patriots who reportedly took part in the first act of defiance against the British crown in NJ, December 22, 1774. This tea burning was marked by a monument dedicated September 30, 1908 and we are celebrating its 100th anniversary. Please contact the Cumberland County Historical Society at library@cchistsoc.org. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: jiggilypuffs Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.newjersey.counties.cumberland/2505.2.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Oh. Well shoot me an email - maybe I got the wrong address - and I'll fill you in. jiggilypuffs@yahoo.com -andrea Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: bevjlloyd Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.newjersey.counties.cumberland/2505.2.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Sorry I didn't get your email. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: jiggilypuffs Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.newjersey.counties.cumberland/2505.2.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I emailed you privately regarding the diary. :) Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: bevjlloyd Surnames: Harris Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.newjersey.counties.cumberland/2505.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Yah, but Robert and Mary are also Oliver's parents, so your Samuel would be his brother. Do you mean that there isn't another diary? Bev. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: jiggilypuffs Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.newjersey.counties.cumberland/2505.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Nah, it's my gggg gmom's brother Samuel Bereman Harris, son of Robert and Mary Bereman Harris. He didn't marry. -andrea Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: DelawareDolores Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.newjersey.counties.cumberland/2506/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Ambitious volunteers Clyde Pettit, Gene Lloyd and Marsha Thompson have transcribed and proofread the entire Cape May County census transcriptions for 1830 and 1850: http://www.us-census.org/states/newjersey/c-nj.htm#Cape% I find it much more user-friendly than Census material from Ancestry or HeritageQuest, because you can simply read the entire county in one sitting, not "feed in" surnames one at a time. It's also much quicker to click onto a page to see the exact handwriting. Why not e-mail these volunteers, to thank them? They are reached by the group address of Transcriber@US-Census.org Unfortunately, you'll also see that Cumberland and other counties are sadly lacking volunteer transcribers and proofreaders, so perhaps a couple of our readers will have the time and inclination to step in. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.