In a message dated 2/21/2005 11:28:15 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: I saw some Pharo female marriages in Burlington County, if that helps any. There are still many Pharo's living in Ocean Co. and Burlington Co. today. Joan

Ravyn, you claim to have “anecdotal” info on many Cumberland County surnames you recently mentioned. I assume that means you’ve heard stories, but neither you nor any of your cousins have actually gone to historical societies or courthouses for the "real thing." You also did not quote from any Census data, but since I have a distant Gifford myself (nee Margaret Langley 1850's to 1920's), I did check the 1920 Census for you, as a jump-start. In 1920 Millville, renting on Sassafras St., is Richard Hann, age 30 and wife Tillie, 28. He is a “general laborer.” They had no children, nor had they yet taken in their niece (your grandmother) Ella. Renting next door is a widow, Sarah Spencer, 73, and her single daughter Ella, 38 (born approx. 1882). Sarah also houses a granddaughter Ella Pettit, 8 (who is obviously your GM, born in 1911.) Was this older Ella the one who married a Gifford? Sarah Spencer's 1920 household also includes a “stepson” Charlie, age 47. None of the 3 adults has any occupation listed. There may be some errors here, but the way the clerk wrote it, the surnames of Charlie and the older Ella were both Spencer (but, could Charlie actually be a son in LAW, instead of STEP-son?) I tried to back up to the 1910 C., but there is no Sarah Spencer anywhere near age 63. The Millville Historical Society surely has several obituaries you need -- and – -I think - - suggests only nominal donations (maybe $5 per request?) Write to them at 200 E. Main St., Millville NJ 08332 or phone 856-825-7000, extension 275. They do not have e-mail. MHS has Millville census records from 1830 - 1880; obituary files from 1936-1974; Mt. Pleasant Cemetery records -- and many surprises. If you have any willing co-researcher within reasonable distance, their 2nd and Main St. headquarters is open from 1 to 4 on Sundays and Wednesdays -- but phone first, as they have only a few volunteers (who might be ill and need to close). You can also access the NJ Census at many historical societies and libraries, OR your nearest Mormon center in any nation (Church of Jesus Christ of the Latter Day Saints). You may also pay for a subscription to Ancestry.com or HeritageQuest, to access the Census and more. Your library might even have HQ at no charge for members, or an Ancestry subscription you can use on the premises. -- Delaware Dolores (Langley)

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Pangburn, Pharo, Pharos Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/wQB.2ACE/1080.1 Message Board Post: the original thread^ was a mistake--however it has already gotten a response--thanks! so I will leave it and add the part I added to it when I reposted it in the place I intended to post it the first time! <<< And I do know one other thing--Mary Eva was noted for her exotic ethnicity---my father remembers seeing her when has was very small and she had jet black hair with no gray in it and it dragged the ground--she was less than 5 feet tall--when she died they cut her hair and braided it into a key chain of sorts that mysteriously disappeared around the time of my grandfather's death in 1969. It was rumored she was native American but there is no proof of that and I am not the only who was looking on that score(even years ago in Pangburn, Arkansas the local historian knew of this). >>> Ravyn

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Pangburn, Pharo, Pharos Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/wQB.2ACE/1078.1.1.1 Message Board Post: sorry--this did not post in the right place. here I go again: yes some do appear to Bible names---however, Catholics did not generally go for that custom at that time. And Pangburns at this time were Catholic. How that happened I don't have a clue either as the early records of Pangburns in NJ indicate they were Quaker(Friends) or other VERY Protestant religions. The Gypsy thing would account for both the names and the Catholic religion. And I have found out anecdotally that southern NJ did have a few Gypsy camps, German Chickeners and Dutch--both of which the last name Pharo was a possibility. Then again the Pharos was Greek Orthodox, and many when they came to this country as immigrants ended up converting to roman because there were no churches here for them. Mary Eva was the first generation I know for sure was Catholic and my grandfather George Oscar was also Catholic(she was his grandmother)--before that I don't really know. And I do know one other thing--Mary eva was noted for her exotic ethnicity---my father remembers seeing he! r when has was very small and she had jet black hair with no gray in it and it dragged the ground--she was less than 5 feet tall--when she died they cut her hair and braided it into a key chain of sorts that mysteriously disappeared around the time of my grandfather's death in 1969. It was rumored she was native American but there is no proof of that and I am not the only who was looking on that score(even years ago in Pangburn, Arkansas the local historian knew of this). I personally knew of and went to school with 'Gypsies' by the last name of Stanley and back in the time of Samuel and Mary Eva, there was still a prejudiced stigma attached--so it would not be uncommon to change some facts.I believe the early Greek settlers came across the same prejudice. Also-another tibit- my Aunt Sharon married another Blizzard and their daughter married a Stiles. Ravyn

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Vanmeter, Johnson, Wallace Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/wQB.2ACE/1068.1.1 Message Board Post: Thanks so much, Lois, for looking up info about the Vanmeter connection I'm seeking. Alice Vanmeter's mother's maiden name was Johnson, but I suppose it is possible she married a Dare first and then a Vanmeter. I have written requesting a a birth certificate, a marriage certificate, and a death certificate, since I am trying to find out about the family of Frank Wallace, Alice Vanmeter's first husband. Nadia Mitchell (for David Wallace)

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/wQB.2ACE/1081 Message Board Post: were they really gypsies or was that just what they were called? where did they come from? German Chickeners? Dutch? Irish? Greek? Romanian? ANY info? Ravyn

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Pangburn, Pharo Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/wQB.2ACE/1080 Message Board Post: yes some do appear to Bible names---however, Catholics did not generally go for that custom at that time. And Pangburns at this time were Catholic. How that happened I don't have a clue either as the early records of Pangburns in NJ indicate they were Quaker(Friends) or other VERY Protestant religions. The Gypsy thing would account for both the names and the Catholic religion. And I have found out anecdotally that southern NJ did have a few Gypsy camps, German Chickeners and Dutch--both of which the last name Pharo was a possibility. Then again the Pharos was Greek Orthodox, and many when they came to this country as immigrants ended up converting to roman because there were no churches here for them. Mary Eva was the first generation I know for sure was Catholic and my grandfather George Oscar was also Catholic(she was his grandmother)--before that I don't really know. Also my Aunt Sharon married another Blizzard and their daughter married a Stiles. Ravyn

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Paxton, Link, Hazelton, Kates, Dunn, Smith, Browne Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/wQB.2ACE/1078.1.1 Message Board Post: The names you mentioned I do not believe to be "Gypsy" but possibly biblical. I'm pretty sure Keturah is a biblical name. Hazelton was mentioned as one of the Ancestors listed in this correspondence and I was hoping you might have more information on them. Thanks, Andrea Paxton-Carvell

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/wQB.2ACE/1068.1 Message Board Post: Hi David, Have you tried to get a birth certificate from Trenton? In the meantime, I found a marriage for David Vanmeter and Allice Dare on the Cumberland County Clerk's Records--Book B. The marriage was on 13 March 1851. Perhaps this is a connection. Lois/NJ

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: PANGBURN BLIZZARD MOORE Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/wQB.2ACE/1078.1 Message Board Post: Samuel Pangburn (7) was born in Stafford NJ in 1826. In 1847 he took Hannah Cathcart of Stafford NJ to be his bride. Hannah was born in 1826. The 1880 federal census finds the family in Quinton, Salem County NJ. Samuel is a blacksmith. NAME REL STATUS SEX RACE AGE BTH PLACE Samuel Pangborn S M M W 55 NJ Hannah Pangborn wife M F W 51 NJ Susan Pangborn dau M F W 24 NJ Kiturah Pangborn dau S F W 16 NJ Julia A Pangborn dau S F W 13 NJ Marble Pangborn son S M W 10 NJ Louesa Pangborn dau S F W 5 NJ Nina Pangborn dau S F W 4 NJ All fathers birthplaces are listed as NJ and all mother birthplaces are NJ except for Hannah, whos mother was born in Delaware. Also found in the same records is son Samuel's family. Samuel Pangborn self M M W 29 NJ Mary E Pangborn wife M F W 26 NJ George Pangborn son S M W 9 NJ Eve Pangborn dau S F W 6 NJ Edward Pangborn son S M W 2 NJ Samuel is a loborer, Mary keeps house. Children of Samuel and Hannah: Frances Anna b.3-16-1847 in West Creek Stafford, NJ and died 2-3-1847 in Bridgeton NJ. on 2-25-1905, she mar- ried Corneilus Kelly, a civil war veteren...b.6-17-1843. d.bef 8-14-1912. Samuel Adolphus b.4-3-1851 in Stafford NJ, died 3-28-1942, Married to Mary E Pharo 8-21-1871 in Little Egg Harbor NJ. Susan E b. 1856 Kiturah or Keturah b.2-14-1864 in Stafford, NJ...d..1918..m.3-18-1882 in Quinton NJ to George Whilden. George was born 3-1859 in Fairton NJ... d.1930 Julia A (8) b.5-20-1867 in Saint Leo's Catholic, Irvington, Essex co NJ,however her tomb stone gives her date of birth as 1864. She died in 1945 and is buried in Broad Street Cemetery, Bridgeton NJ Marble b.3-18-1870..d.10-14-1944.. m. Susan Vanderslice on 10-27-1891 in Quinton, Salem co. NJ Nina b. 1874 Lovesa..b.1875 In 1882 Julia A Pangburn gave birth to Sarah Pangburn Blizzard. Various sources list Sarahs last name as either Pangburn or Blizzard. Her paternal line cannot be definately determined. Julia married Damon Blizzard of Dividing Creek NJ on 2-10-1891 in the Methodist Episcopal Church in Dividing Creek , NJ. They had been together for a number of years and at the time of the marriage already had 3 children; 4 counting Sarah. Children of Damon and Julia Blizzard: Sarah..b 1882...d.1948 Ella…? Henry...? Elizabeth..Lizzie...b.2-1890..m.Walter Norton Martha Virgini(Jennie)...b.111891..d.1943 .m.William S Gifford John Samuel...b.11-1892...d.1960..Burried in Methodist Cemetery, Dividing Creek...m.Etta Mae Burnight, daughter of Jacob and Amanda Jenkins Burnight. Adalaid...b.1-1896...d.6-29-1964...m.Earl Waddington Damon Jr...b.3-1898...d.1971...married..Florence Patterson …b.1907 …d.1971...both are buried in Laurel Lawn Cemetery, Bridgeton, NJ Julia...b.7-1907..d.7-25-1986.m.Thomas Hamlyn Edward...b.11-1902...m.Ester Warfel Bessie...b. 10-8-1901...m.John Trego Rebecca (Reba) (Becky)...b.6-9-1910..m…James Lawrence Children of 6. James B Moore and Sarah (Sally) Blizzard: 7. Bell…died in infancy 7.Rosella.b.1898…d 1964 7.Charles ,b.1901..m.Thelma..children: Janice,Raymond, Bruce, Edward and Billy 7.Julia.b.1903..died in car accident 9-11-1951 7.Emma.b.1905…married Almore Jefferson Miller 7.James Jr...b.9-12-1907...d.10-7-1982...m.Hester Patterson..b.12-14-1905 d.10-6-1971. Both buried in Laurel Lawn Cemetery,Bridgeton,NJ 7.Clifford .b.9-13-1913…d.6-1977 7.Etta Mae.b.1914…m. K West- no children 7.Denman .b.9-19-1916..d.7-8-1989..m.Jesse Weatherby.. b.2-11-1919... d.7-25-87...1 son-Jack... They lived in Sewell NJ 7.Joseph…b.1919…died in childhood 7.Sara..b.2-11-1925..d.11-9-1983...m..Warren Coles. .. c.Warren jr, Sarah Ann 7.Rose Mary...m.Dick Donnley..children: Dick, Jimmy and Rosemary (Nardi) I am decended from Julia Pangburn, sister to your Samuel A I have only written a portion of the line here. While researching this family I was struck by the unusual names of the children: Marble, Keturah, Louesa, Nina.. I thought them very ethnic sounding but don't know from where. Possibly Gypsy as you mentioned. I see in your other posts you are interested in Centre Grove. I may be able to help you there. I would like to hear from you.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Burke, Dawson Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/wQB.2ACE/1079 Message Board Post: Harriett Burke Dawson was my grandmother, my fathers mother. She was born in NJ about July 1, 1898 and died on March 28, 1989. She left NJ sometime in the 1920's because of a bad situation. We assume it was a marriage with children that was to difficult. She married James Craven Dawson?? and my father James Earl Dawson was born in 1932 in Washington DC. I would really like to know whar happened. I believe her parents were George Burke and Malhalie Hess??? James Craven Dawsons parents were Warren Dawson and Claire Harbison.If these names sound familiar please contact me.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: SPENCER, POWELL Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/wQB.2ACE/1077.2 Message Board Post: Hello, Cousin Ravyn! I guess we are really "half-cousins," since I descend from Joseph Spencer and his first wife, Sarah J. Powell, of Isle of Wight County, VA. Joseph was from NJ but went to Virginia during the 1850s and married there. After the Civil War, he and his family returned to NJ. I will write to you privately with more info. Ken Grace

I have some Charlesworth and Stiles pictures at http://community.webshots.com/user/nancyreeb Nancy > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > Surnames: PANGBURN, PHARO, PHAROS, STILES, CHARLESWORTH > Classification: Query > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/wQB.2ACE/1078 > > Message Board Post: > > Just FYI (I have a question following this...) > > 1. Pieter (George?) Pangbourne b. 1640-1642 Oxfordshire > (town of Pangbourne is on the Bershire/Oxfordshire border); > d. 1696 Woodbridge, NJ > left England before 1660 and arrived first in New Haven Colony, > then owned property in Long Island, NY in 1668, then migrated to NJ. > married Grace Ffidoe. > 2. Stephen Pangburn b.1671 d.?1746 > married Joanna Tuttle(Tuthill). > 3. Stephen Pangburn Jr. b.1695 d.1778 > married Rebecca Imlay. > 4. Lines Pangburn b.1742 d. 1781 > married Anne Hazelton. > 5. Stephen Pangburn b.1770 d.? > married ? > 6. William (Gustavus?) Pangburn b.1802 d.? > married Catherine ? > 7. Samuel Adolphus Pangburn b.1825 d.? > married Hannah Cathcarte. > 8. Samuel Adolphus Pangburn Jr. b.1851 d.1937 > married Mary Eva Pharo. > 9. Edward Lewis Pangburn (twin) b.1872 d.? > married Clara Headley Charlesworth. > 10. George Oscar Pangburn b.1905 d.1969 > married ?- separated (Catholic--no divorce) > lived with Elsie Bittle Stiles. > 11. George Oscar Pangburn Jr. b. 1936 > married Comilla Frances (Spencer) Pettit- divorced > 12. Ravyn Comylla b. 18 may, 1962 > married Lee Joseph Giuliani > > my inquiry is about Mary Eva Pharo, my GG Grandmother. Family anecdotes say that > her real name was "SAY-NOH". I can find no genealogy for her at all. I am > wondering if her name may have been PHAROS instead of Pharo because it was noted > that she was of some exotic ethnicity(family rumor had her as 'indian' however, > everybody in south jersey claims 'indian' and it is highly unlikely since the > Lenapes left the area at least 100 yrs. before she was born!) Most likely I am > guessing she was either Greek or Gypsy--perhaps both! But Xenobia is not an > uncommon Greek name and it would have been pronounced "SAY-NOH-BEE-AH" and Sayno > could be a short form of it. The story goes that Mary Eva or Mary Elizabeth was > her Confirmation name--so again, Greek (Orthodox) is a possibility. I understand > that Greek immigrants first settled the area in the 1850's. > Any suggestions on how I might be able to find out more about this? Anyone heard > of Pharos/Pharo in South Jersey? I know there are some in Philadelphia who are > Greek. > thanks, > Ravyn > > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx >

I know that some of your Pangburn lived in Northern NJ in the Cranberry area Trisha Fitz Randolph Founder/CEO FitzRandolph Historical Society of New Jersey www.rootsweb.com/~njfrghs FitzRandolph Research Site www.myfamily.com ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 2:18 PM Subject: [NJCUMBER] PANGBURN- 1640-2005, PHARO>PHAROS? > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > Surnames: PANGBURN, PHARO, PHAROS, STILES, CHARLESWORTH > Classification: Query > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/wQB.2ACE/1078 > > Message Board Post: > > Just FYI (I have a question following this...) > > 1. Pieter (George?) Pangbourne b. 1640-1642 Oxfordshire > (town of Pangbourne is on the Bershire/Oxfordshire border); > d. 1696 Woodbridge, NJ > left England before 1660 and arrived first in New Haven Colony, > then owned property in Long Island, NY in 1668, then migrated to NJ. > married Grace Ffidoe. > 2. Stephen Pangburn b.1671 d.?1746 > married Joanna Tuttle(Tuthill). > 3. Stephen Pangburn Jr. b.1695 d.1778 > married Rebecca Imlay. > 4. Lines Pangburn b.1742 d. 1781 > married Anne Hazelton. > 5. Stephen Pangburn b.1770 d.? > married ? > 6. William (Gustavus?) Pangburn b.1802 d.? > married Catherine ? > 7. Samuel Adolphus Pangburn b.1825 d.? > married Hannah Cathcarte. > 8. Samuel Adolphus Pangburn Jr. b.1851 d.1937 > married Mary Eva Pharo. > 9. Edward Lewis Pangburn (twin) b.1872 d.? > married Clara Headley Charlesworth. > 10. George Oscar Pangburn b.1905 d.1969 > married ?- separated (Catholic--no divorce) > lived with Elsie Bittle Stiles. > 11. George Oscar Pangburn Jr. b. 1936 > married Comilla Frances (Spencer) Pettit- divorced > 12. Ravyn Comylla b. 18 may, 1962 > married Lee Joseph Giuliani > > my inquiry is about Mary Eva Pharo, my GG Grandmother. Family anecdotes > say that her real name was "SAY-NOH". I can find no genealogy for her at > all. I am wondering if her name may have been PHAROS instead of Pharo > because it was noted that she was of some exotic ethnicity(family rumor > had her as 'indian' however, everybody in south jersey claims 'indian' and > it is highly unlikely since the Lenapes left the area at least 100 yrs. > before she was born!) Most likely I am guessing she was either Greek or > Gypsy--perhaps both! But Xenobia is not an uncommon Greek name and it > would have been pronounced "SAY-NOH-BEE-AH" and Sayno could be a short > form of it. The story goes that Mary Eva or Mary Elizabeth was her > Confirmation name--so again, Greek (Orthodox) is a possibility. I > understand that Greek immigrants first settled the area in the 1850's. > Any suggestions on how I might be able to find out more about this? Anyone > heard of Pharos/Pharo in South Jersey? I know there are some in > Philadelphia who are Greek. > thanks, > Ravyn > > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx >

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/wQB.2ACE/876.2.2 Message Board Post: Hello Rayn Thankyou for reply and info. We find it interesting. We will not pressure you for details as we do not want to cause trouble. This piece about the doll house was interesting. It is something the family here Canada may not have known about Walter or at least it was never mentioned to our knowledge. The family sometimes did not really keep in regular close contact as some families do. If you wish contact us off line please do so. Will give another e-mail address in case you have trouble with one. It is [email protected] or [email protected] Thank you Jeanne

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: PANGBURN, PHARO, PHAROS, STILES, CHARLESWORTH Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/wQB.2ACE/1078 Message Board Post: Just FYI (I have a question following this...) 1. Pieter (George?) Pangbourne b. 1640-1642 Oxfordshire (town of Pangbourne is on the Bershire/Oxfordshire border); d. 1696 Woodbridge, NJ left England before 1660 and arrived first in New Haven Colony, then owned property in Long Island, NY in 1668, then migrated to NJ. married Grace Ffidoe. 2. Stephen Pangburn b.1671 d.?1746 married Joanna Tuttle(Tuthill). 3. Stephen Pangburn Jr. b.1695 d.1778 married Rebecca Imlay. 4. Lines Pangburn b.1742 d. 1781 married Anne Hazelton. 5. Stephen Pangburn b.1770 d.? married ? 6. William (Gustavus?) Pangburn b.1802 d.? married Catherine ? 7. Samuel Adolphus Pangburn b.1825 d.? married Hannah Cathcarte. 8. Samuel Adolphus Pangburn Jr. b.1851 d.1937 married Mary Eva Pharo. 9. Edward Lewis Pangburn (twin) b.1872 d.? married Clara Headley Charlesworth. 10. George Oscar Pangburn b.1905 d.1969 married ?- separated (Catholic--no divorce) lived with Elsie Bittle Stiles. 11. George Oscar Pangburn Jr. b. 1936 married Comilla Frances (Spencer) Pettit- divorced 12. Ravyn Comylla b. 18 may, 1962 married Lee Joseph Giuliani my inquiry is about Mary Eva Pharo, my GG Grandmother. Family anecdotes say that her real name was "SAY-NOH". I can find no genealogy for her at all. I am wondering if her name may have been PHAROS instead of Pharo because it was noted that she was of some exotic ethnicity(family rumor had her as 'indian' however, everybody in south jersey claims 'indian' and it is highly unlikely since the Lenapes left the area at least 100 yrs. before she was born!) Most likely I am guessing she was either Greek or Gypsy--perhaps both! But Xenobia is not an uncommon Greek name and it would have been pronounced "SAY-NOH-BEE-AH" and Sayno could be a short form of it. The story goes that Mary Eva or Mary Elizabeth was her Confirmation name--so again, Greek (Orthodox) is a possibility. I understand that Greek immigrants first settled the area in the 1850's. Any suggestions on how I might be able to find out more about this? Anyone heard of Pharos/Pharo in South Jersey? I know there are some in Philadelphia who are Greek. thanks, Ravyn

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: POST Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/wQB.2ACE/876.2.1 Message Board Post: Incidentally, he built a birdhouse that was supposedly modeled on the house he grew up in in Canada, and he turned it into a dollhouse for my cousin Ruthanne, but she was unappreciative and he gave it to me. I wish I still had that dollhouse! He had put miniature wall paper on the walls and doorknobs on the doors and even a hand-carved commode on the porch! I loved it. it still had the bird holes in the back and it used to sit in front of my nightlight--the holes letting thru an eerie light from the inside-- and I would be terrified imagining the dolls were walking around their house at night. I swear I could see tiny shadows pass by the curtains and see the curtains move! I remember being told to give 'Postie' a kiss goodbye as a child and he would always squeeze me very tight and rub his prickly whiskered chin on my cheek and make me squeal! I didn't see him after my grandmother died but maybe a couple of times. And the old house burned down shortly after that. I hope he was happy his last few years. He was always kind to me. Ravyn

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: POST Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/wQB.2ACE/876.2 Message Board Post: Ella Stow. She died in 1976 of cancer. I knew Walter as 'Postie' my whole life. I am not at liberty to disclose any information of a private nature, but...he MAY have had more children than just Wayne. Ravyn

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/wQB.2ACE/1077.1 Message Board Post: I am sorry---I totally forgot aunt Tillie lived in Dorchester for almost 20 years! duh! When she married Robert they moved to Dorchester and she moved back into Millville sometime in the early 1970's. As if it matters really--but I try to be accurate. :) Ravyn

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Spencer, Trewax, Pettit, Gifford Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/wQB.2ACE/1077 Message Board Post: Sarah Jane's mother was Sarah Litts. Trewax was also misspelled Treewax. Pronounced TROO-AKS and originating from Philip de Trieux, a French nobleman who at one time owned most of what is now Manhattan. Some of the children were: Ella-"Ellie"(married Francis Gifford-one son Chester-still living), Frances-"Fanny", Bloomfield, Leon(?), Tillie Comilla-b.1891. Fannie was my grandmother's mother--she was married to Thomas(?) Pettit and died when my grandmother Ella Frances(b. 1911) was 5. My grandmother was raised by her aunt Tillie, who was married to Richard Hahn (or Hann). At age 16 my grandmother got pregnant(supposedly a rape by some older married man named 'Ralph Gifford' of whom I can find absolutely no evidence) with my mother, Comilla Frances, and aunt Tillie also raised my mother. Aunt Tillie died in 1978, just before my 16th birthday. Lots of anecdotal info on family but no real data! Tillie grew up in Center Grove (I can't even find that in any searches!) and lived all her adult life in Millville. She was married a second time in the 1950's to her childhood sweetheart Robert Hanby, who died after only 3 yrs to cancer. Aunt Tillie was a remarkable woman and I wish i could get more info about her family. Sarah Jane's mother was Sarah Litts. any info or leads--no matter how tenous-- would be greatly appreciated! thanks, Ravyn Giuliani