Thanks to all of you. I have found my sister. They went unlisted with a different phone number due to pestering phone calls. I had not called in a couple of years, so they thought I had become alienated to them (by the slander of a family miscreant), and I had no way of knowing... Then all of you, and the final click of insight came due to a comment from Gary in a letter, found her without my believing you really had. Of course I was thankful for your efforts. But in actuality, you had found her. I called this morning, got them, and not only had a wonderful chat, but found out my sister has been seeking (in her mind at this point) to figure out the old family lines! And, she has a few photos! And a courtship diary of my Grandfather! And all those memories and insights. She has email. Eventually, as I help her learn the intricacies of her computer via email, I will suggest she join this group. Well, enough for now, and many heartfelt thanks! Vince

I found an older email from one of you good folks. The number was not answered, but at least it rang! Tomorrow will tell. Vince

Folks! First an apology. Some of you sent me a phone number for Richard J. Bleistein. At first I though you were using old phone books. Now I realize that he went unlisted for some reason or other, and is, this year, listed again. The old number that I had called was reassigned. Here is the point. I do not have the number now, even though Gary sent it to me today! And others had sent it to me. I want to call my sister, as quickly as I can -- immediately if possible-- can you give me that new number? Thanks... Richard J. Bleistein 133 Park ave. Collingswood, NJ Vince

Library of Congress' experimental search engine at: <http://lcweb2.loc.gov/resdev/ess/> A lot of the information was not genealogy related, of course, but a pretty substantial amount was -- and if you add the given names, that percentage goes up pretty quickly. This is an excellent resource. The materials are not available on the 'net, but you can find *lots* of books that you may wish to get through inter-library loan. Carol (Bishop) Holt Middle Tennessee

Are you interested in finding Census information on your ancestors, but don't know where to go. Here are some helpful helps: Census Lookup <http://www.rootsweb.com/~uslookup/> Camden County is listed under New Jersey. Surname to Soundex Converter <http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Hills/3916/soundex.html> Census Blank Forms These forms are very helpful to use when you are transcribing from microfilm. Many libraries do not have reader/printers. <http://www.familytreemaker.com/00000023.html> For your information, I have found that some CDs that are sold and are Census Index end up containing information that tells you where you go to look up the information on the actual census. Beginner Genealogists may not realize this, they are mistaken by thinking the actual Census pages are on the CD. This not be the case on all CDs though. Hopefully, in the future these records can be done digitally and actual records would be on the CDs. Carol (Bishop) Holt Middle Tennessee Carolh@infoave.net

If you need help finding a county or state, try the following: Geographic Nameserver <http://www.mit.edu:8001/geo> Type town and see what states it gives you. Type town and state and see what county it gives you. It is really good. Carol (Bishop) Holt Middle Tennessee

Higginson's, in Massachusetts, I believe, located on the web, has reprints hard or soft-bound of Prowell. $89 + SH for h.b. Images aren't too great, but text is fine. Vince CWH610@aol.com wrote: > In reference to the availability of the John Clement's Book "First Emigrant > Settlers in Newton Township, Old Gloucester Co.", it is available at the > Camden County Historical Society. The other Book, Prowell's "History of > Camden County" is not available at either the Camden or Gloucester Co., > Historical Societies. I was able to locate the latter book via the internet > from the first website shown below which information Linda Buras sent to me. > She is greatly appreciated. > > Wes Hayman > > If you have web access, type in www.abebooks.com <http://www.abebooks.com> > and it will take you to a search page. Type in First Emigrant Settlers on > the title line and hit the search button and you will see several dealers > who have the book. The least expensive is $30. Do the same for History of > Camden County and there are 2 dealers with it, one for $65 and the other for > $150. > You can also www.mxbf.com <http://www.mxbf.com> which is another used book > search engine. And www.interloc.com <http://www.interloc.com> which may > have some dealers who aren't on Abe.

In reference to the availability of the John Clement's Book "First Emigrant Settlers in Newton Township, Old Gloucester Co.", it is available at the Camden County Historical Society. The other Book, Prowell's "History of Camden County" is not available at either the Camden or Gloucester Co., Historical Societies. I was able to locate the latter book via the internet from the first website shown below which information Linda Buras sent to me. She is greatly appreciated. Wes Hayman If you have web access, type in www.abebooks.com <http://www.abebooks.com> and it will take you to a search page. Type in First Emigrant Settlers on the title line and hit the search button and you will see several dealers who have the book. The least expensive is $30. Do the same for History of Camden County and there are 2 dealers with it, one for $65 and the other for $150. You can also www.mxbf.com <http://www.mxbf.com> which is another used book search engine. And www.interloc.com <http://www.interloc.com> which may have some dealers who aren't on Abe.

This is information on Gloucester County Historical Society for those that are interested. Both Camden County Historical Society and the Gloucester County Historical Society have information for this area of New Jersey. Camden County was formed from Gloucester County in 1844. Gloucester County Page on USGENWEB: <http://www.rootsweb.com/~njglouce/> Gloucester County Historical Society: <http://www.rootsweb.com/~njglouce/gchs/> USGENWEB SITE: <http://www.usgenweb.org/> Carol Holt Middle Tennessee

I left off the following information that you may be interested in: Camden County Page on USGENWEB: <http://www.cyberenet.net/~gsteiner/njgenweb/camden/index.html> Camden County Historical Society: <http://www.cyberenet.net/~gsteiner/cchs/> USGENWEB SITE: <http://www.usgenweb.org/> Carol Holt

My wife's grandfather Simion PUKAS came from the Ukraine in 1909 to Ellis Island and then Camden. He worked at New York Ship as a pipefitter and later supervisor. Are there any out there, or even just contemporary descriptions? Where could I look? Since I have easy access to the New Jersey Archives in Trenton, perhaps there? TIA

To everyone that wrote asking for the Camden County Historical Society URL - Sorry, I don't know it off hand, but if you go to the Camden County Genweb page there is a link from there. If you don't have the US Genweb pages bookmarked, then any of the search engines should turn it up. Lynn

The only information I have is what I posted on Rebecca (Fowler) Watson b. 11/21/1806. This was from a family bible and passed on to me by a cousin. The information doesn't go any further back. I did find on CD #240 New Jersey Marriages: 1680-1900 Rebecca Fowler married Anthony Johnson on May 2, 1829 and marriage was recorded in Burlington County, NJ. Also: Rebecca Fowler married William Plum on November 26, 1836 and marriage was recorded in Gloucester County, NJ. Rebecca Fowler married Thomas Lee on October 14, 1873 and marriage was recorded in Salem County, NJ. Jonathan Fowler married Hannah Lawrence on September 20, 1742 and marriage was recorded in Burlington County, NJ. Jonathan Fowler married Elizabeth Venable on April 16, 1831 and marriage was recorded in Gloucester County, NJ. Jonathan Fowler married Elizabeth Mingen on August 27, 1836 and marriage was recorded in Gloucester County, NJ. Elisabeth Fowler married Andrew Robertson on July 29, 1827 and marriage was recorded in Monmouth County, NJ. Eliza Fowler married Joseph Reckless on February 26, 1740 and marriage was recorded in Burlington County, NJ. Elizabeth Fowler married Moses Barkley on October 21, 1719 and marriage was recorded in Burlington County, NJ. Elizabeth Fowler married Abrham Skirm on May 24, 1750 and marriage was recorded in Burlington County, NJ. Elizabeth Fowler married John Ellis on October 17, 1776 and marriage was recorded in Burlington County, NJ. Elizabeth Fowler married Levi Pierce on April 6, 1811 and marriage was recorded in Gloucester County, NJ. Elizabeth Fowler married John Marple on April 5, 1814 and marriage was recorded in Gloucester County, NJ. Elizabeth Fowler married Henry Curry on August 28, 1818 and marriage was recorded in Burlington County, NJ. Elizabeth Fowler married Frederic W. Curtenius on February 15, 1826 and the marriage was recorded in Bergen County, NJ. Elizabeth Fowler married Andrew Robertson on July 29, 1827 and the marriage was recorded in Monmouth County, NJ. Elizabeth Fowler married Joseph W. Franklin on February 16, 1855 and the marriage was recorded in Camden County, NJ. Elizabeth Fowler married S. W. Dilks on August 17, 1867 and the marriage was recorded in Gloucester County, NJ. Elizebeth Fowler married William C. Rouse on March 22, 1836 and the marriage was recorded in Monmouth County, NJ. Possibly, these will help you in your research. Carol Holt Middle Tennessee Carolh@infoave.net Date: Mon, 09 Nov 1998 22:37:04 -0500 (EST) From: BSpadea102@aol.com Subject: Re: [NJCAMDEN-L] Camden County Family To: Carolh@InfoAve.Net X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 52 In a message dated 98-11-09 15:06:02 EST, you write: At 10:37 PM 11/9/98 -0500, you wrote: >In a message dated 98-11-09 15:06:02 EST, you write: > ><< > Rachel (Johnson) Watson's parents were Anthony Johnson b. 5/21/1807 d. ? > and Rebecca (Fowler) Watson b. 11/21/1806 d. ? >> > > >I have a Rebecca Fowler b. 1750 dgt of Jonathan Fowler (Burlington Co.) > >Also a Rachel Barclay, dgt of Esther Marshall, dgt of Elizabeth Fowler and >Moses Barclay m. Burl. Co. My Rachel m. Lewis C. Turner from Glouc. Co. > >Long shot, but maybe a connection. It seems the Fowlers came from the >Burlington Co. area down to Gloucester Co. >

Hi again. I am still trying to find my sister who moved and left no address. We are not at all on bad terms. I am not sure what happened to them. Computer searches have done no good until I just turned up, possibly, her daughter, Stacey Bleistein. I obtained S. Bleistein Central Ave. Stratford, NJ She would be just about the right age to move out on her own and not yet be married. Can anyone lookup her (not phone number) total address? I want to make sure the letter gets there. If it is not her, I have apologized for bothering the householder in the letter. Thanks, Vince -- *===========================================================================* *Vincent E. Summers, Chemist E-Mail: vsummers@nrao.edu * *National Radio Astronomy Observatory Phone: (804)-296-0210 * *2015 Ivy Road FAX: (804)-296-0324 * *Charlottesville, VA 22903 http://www.cv.nrao.edu/~vsummers * *===========================================================================*

Very well stated letter about joining the Historical Society. I just joined the Gloucester County Historical Society while back in the Garden State a few weeks ago myself. I would have gone to the Camden County Historical Society also but didn't have enough time. SINCE CAMDEN CO. at one time was part of GLOUCESTER CO., I don't suppose there is any way of knowing which one to check for any particular research. It seems that there is an overlap situation here of which there doesn't seem to be any easy way to work around. In some of my research it gets particularly difficult with Washington Township having been in Gl. Co., then put into the boundaries of Camden Co. when it was formed and then later went back to Gl. Co. Is this an accurate description? Also while I am at it, does anyone know if the book written by Judge John Clement of "Sketches of the First Emigrant Settlers of Newton Township" is available for sale anywhere. Also there is a book "Prowells History of Camden County", that I would like to find available for sale. I saw this one at the Gl. Co. Hist. Soc., but it is quite lengthy and didn't have the time to research their only copy. Wes Hayman Hotchkiss, Co.

To preserve our history we must all work together in searching for our family history. I live in Tennessee but was born in New Jersey. I have family from the Camden County area. I am a member of the Camden County Historical Society. I highly recommend your joining this organization to help preserve the history of the area and to continue have a place for people to go to research their families. I visited the Camden County Historical Society for the first time this summer and was very impressed with their facilities and the helpful staff and volunteers. As a member, you will receive the Society's annual Bulletin, the quarterly Camden County History Journal and the Communicator, which keeps you informed of Society news and events. Members are also entitled to free admission to Pomona Hall, the museum and the library, and a discount on purchases of Society publications. Your support will enable the Historical Society to fulfill its stated mission of collecting, preserving and disseminating regional history and genealogy. To join the Camden County Historical Society send a check for: Annual Dues are Payable with Membership Application Membership Year: January 1 through December 31 Individual.........................$ 15.00 (OPTIONAL AT AGE 65)*...........$ 8.00 Family.............................$ 20.00 Junior/Student.....................$ 10.00 Contributor........................$ 50.00 Benefactor.........................$ 100.00 Municipality.......................$ 100.00 Life Member (Annual Dues Exempt)...$ 250.00 Individual Sponsor.................$ 500.00 Organization.......................$ 100.00 Business or Corporation 25 or less employees..........$ 75.00 26 to 50 employees............$ 125.00 51 to 100 employees...........$ 250.00 More than 100 employees.......$ 500.00 *This level of membership receives no publications Mail your check and enclose a self-addressed stamped envelope to: Camden County Historical Society Park Boulevard and Euclid Avenue Camden, N.J. 08103 (609) 964-3333 They can always use Volunteers if you live in the area. Carol Holt Middle Tennessee Carolh@infoave.net

I am a new member of the Camden County List. I am looking for information on my Maternal Grandmother and her parents who would be my Maternal Great Grandparents they are as follows: Elizabeth Shute (Paul) Barnaby Smith b. April 27, 1901 d. February 24, 1986 m. Leroy Henry Barnaby on 4/2/1919 in Cecil County, Maryland m. William J. Smith on ? b. July 9, 1906 d. 10/25/1989 [Elizabeth and William Smith are buried at Harleigh Cemetery in Camden, NJ] One of their children was: Elizabeth Shute Barnaby (Ruebeck) b. 5/28/1921 d. 1/19/1941 Married Albert Sharp Ruebeck b. 11/2/1900 d. 12/6/1963 They are buried at New Camden Cemetery in Camden, NJ. Also trying to find the connection to SHUTE family. Elizabeth's parents were: Isaac S. Paul and Lizzie S. (Breyer) Paul married 9/30/1894 Looking for further information such as birth and death dates on them?? My Grandfather, Leroy Henry Barnaby was b. 9/10/1897 d. 10/8/1976 My Great Grandparents were: Harry Barnaby b. 1/1/1873 d. 1/25/1949 Rebecca Johnson (Watson) Barnaby b. 8/2/1872 d. 5/1/1963 They are buried in Cedar Grove Cemetery in Gloucester, NJ Two sons are also buried there - James Barnaby and David Barnaby Barnaby Avenue was named after David Barnaby who was in World War I. Pri. Batt. F. 76 Fld. Arty. He was born in 1896 and died 2/2/1919 at 23 years old. Looking for who Harry Barnaby's parents were??? possibly James Barnaby and Martha Stratton? Rebecca Johnson (Watson) Barnaby's father was David Watson b. 3/25/1844 and d. 12/24/1926. He was in the Civil War with 197th Regiment, Co. B, Pennsylvania Volunteers. He was buried in New Camden Cemetery, Camden, NJ. His mother was Rachel (Johnson) Watson b. 4/8/1849 d. ?. David Watson's parents were father: ?? Watson and Jane (Slayman) Watson b. 8/15/1803 Rachel (Johnson) Watson's parents were Anthony Johnson b. 5/21/1807 d. ? and Rebecca (Fowler) Watson b. 11/21/1806 d. ? Does anyone have any connecting information. Any additional information would be appreciated. Carol Holt Middle Tennessee Carolh@infoave.net

Anyone familiar with Bessie M. Courant, or her father, Manuel, who lived in Camden? Bessie married John J. Sommers, Jr. She was born in the 1920's. She died of Bright's disease and was buried at New St. Mary's Cemetery in Bellmawr, NJ. Thanks, Vince -- *===========================================================================* *Vincent E. Summers, Chemist E-Mail: vsummers@nrao.edu * *National Radio Astronomy Observatory Phone: (804)-296-0210 * *2015 Ivy Road FAX: (804)-296-0324 * *Charlottesville, VA 22903 http://www.cv.nrao.edu/~vsummers * *===========================================================================*

Looking for any descendants of ggrandfather Thomas McPARLEN, born about 1828 in Ireland, died Nov. 23, 1903. He was married to Elizabeth Kennedy and is buried in Calvary cemetary. Have some information to share, looking for any more information. Thanks in advance. LT NJCAMDEN-D-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > Subject: > > NJCAMDEN-D Digest Volume 98 : Issue 109 > > Today's Topics: > #1 Re: [NJCAMDEN-L] roll call [Kathy918@aol.com] > #2 [NJCAMDEN-L] Gen. Soc. PA to be op [GSPANews@aol.com] > #3 [NJCAMDEN-L] SIRIS and KIBLITZKY & ["NANCY D PITTERS" <NDPITTERS@prodi] > #4 Re: [NJCAMDEN-L] roll call/LAIRD [Den49co@aol.com] > #5 Re: [NJCAMDEN-L] roll call [Skeptic <cimw@mail.utexas.edu>] > > Administrivia: > To unsubscribe from NJCAMDEN-D, send a message to > > NJCAMDEN-D-request@rootsweb.com > > that contains in the body of the message the command > > unsubscribe > > and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software > requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Re: [NJCAMDEN-L] roll call > Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 05:28:15 EST > From: Kathy918@aol.com > To: NJCAMDEN-L@rootsweb.com > > PAYNE--from England after 1870 > LAIRD--from Ireland after 1855 > COOMBS--earlier in Burlington Co. In Camden by 1875 > RUBIE--from England, after 1900 > PURDY--earlier in Burlington Co., In Camden by 1875 > Any info appreciated! Kathy > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: [NJCAMDEN-L] Gen. Soc. PA to be open over Thanksgiving weekend > Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 07:35:09 EST > From: GSPANews@aol.com > To: NJCAMDEN-L@rootsweb.com > > The Genealogical Society of Pennsylvania (across the street from the > Historical Society of PA) will be open on Saturday Nov. 28 (Thanksgiving > weekend) for researchers. > > The hours will be 10:00 a.m. until 4:45 p.m. The GSP library is located on > the second floor of 1305 Locust Street in Philadelphia, PA. Please call (215) > 545-0391 for more information. > > (We are also planning to be open the second Saturday of each month during the > winter of 1998-99. Details to follow in a later mailing.) Thank you GSPNews > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: [NJCAMDEN-L] SIRIS and KIBLITZKY & BROWN > Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 10:36:06 -0500 > From: "NANCY D PITTERS" <NDPITTERS@prodigy.net> > To: NJCAMDEN-L@rootsweb.com > > I am researching the following SIRIS, KIBLITZKY/BROWN family information. > Any help is very appreciated! > > Aaron (aka Harris) SIRIS was born about 1854 to Josef and Chany and > immigrated from the Podolya region of Ukraine to NYC approximately 1890. > After bringing over the rest of his SIRIS family in 1892: > > Chaje Feige SHAFER - Aaron's wife > > Isador Samuel SIRIS - oldest son > > Chana/Anna SIRIS - oldest daughter AND her new husband, Samuel KIBLITZKY > (KIBLITZKY surname later changed to KIBLISKY.. then to KILBY) > > Jacob Herman SIRIS - son > > Harry L. SIRIS - son > > Katie SIRIS - youngest daughter > > Joine/Leon/George SIRIS - youngest son > > ... they relocated to Camden (1896), Union (1897), Woodbine (1897-1900) {all > in NJ}, then Philadelphia {PA}, and later to NJ again in Trenton. > > Anna SIRIS and husband, Samuel KIBLITZKY, met and married in "Russia" > (Ukraine). Samuel was born in 1875 Ukraine (Gajsin, Podolya region?). > Samuel's parents, Paul (Poltie/Nicolas) and Fanny, divorced in "Russia" and > each remarried. One of Paul's 2 or 3 children from his 2nd marriage, > immigrated to the United States in the early 1900's and changed his name to > Charlie BROWN (yes.. this is true!). Charlie lived for a time in Trenton, > NJ (1920-1930's). This is the last information I have found on Charlie > BROWN and a great dissappointment, believe me. > > Thank you in advance... Nancy Pitters ndpitters@prodigy.net > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Re: [NJCAMDEN-L] roll call/LAIRD > Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 17:38:45 EST > From: Den49co@aol.com > To: NJCAMDEN-L@rootsweb.com > > My gr, grandmother's sister, Elizabeth Spreng married Ferdinand Laird in > Camden ca1895(?). I have the year from census reports, but not at my reach > now. They had at least 9 or ten children and lived in Magnolia, Camden County, > NJ sometime in the early 1900's. My father (second cousins) went to school > with some of the Laird kids. > Ferdinand may have been a son of Granville Laird. I think they were in > Philadelphia previous to Camden....as were the Sprengs. > > Dennis E. Cox > Southern NJ > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Re: [NJCAMDEN-L] roll call > Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 19:25:06 -0600 > From: Skeptic <cimw@mail.utexas.edu> > To: NJCAMDEN-L@rootsweb.com > > Searching for any Dugan, O'Dugan, or any variation of any time period. > > --Mike Wilson > Celtic Reconstructionist

The Genealogical Society of Pennsylvania (across the street from the Historical Society of PA) will be open on Saturday Nov. 28 (Thanksgiving weekend) for researchers. The hours will be 10:00 a.m. until 4:45 p.m. The GSP library is located on the second floor of 1305 Locust Street in Philadelphia, PA. Please call (215) 545-0391 for more information. (We are also planning to be open the second Saturday of each month during the winter of 1998-99. Details to follow in a later mailing.) Thank you GSPNews