The Ancestry images are mixed-up [I've notified them]. Example: If you want to look at Collingswood, ED98, you have to select Camden, ED57. etc.. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Malcolm Schalick Sharp http://sharp.rootsweb.com -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ----- Original Message ----- From: Malcolm Sharp To: [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 9:36 AM Subject: [NJCAMDEN] 1930 Census Ancestry.com has put 1930 census images online. I was searching what I thought was Collingswood (ED #93-101) however the pages indicate "Camden City" and have streets that aren't in Collingswood ( e.g., Hillside, Fountain, Fremont). Anyone else have access to this and verify there's a problem? Malcolm Sharp sharp.rootsweb.com

Ancestry.com has put 1930 census images online. I was searching what I thought was Collingswood (ED #93-101) however the pages indicate "Camden City" and have streets that aren't in Collingswood ( e.g., Hillside, Fountain, Fremont). Anyone else have access to this and verify there's a problem? Malcolm Sharp sharp.rootsweb.com

BURLINGTON CO. NJ, 9 July 1860, PO Mt. Holly, Cinnaminson Twp. p. 976 976 1 216 208 GOODENOUGH Abraham 3 m w NJ 976 2 216 208 GOODENOUGH Margaret 1 f w NJ 976 3 216 208 GOODENOUGH William 3/12 m w NJ 976 4 216 208 MIDDLETON Howard 10 m w farm apprentice NJ 976 5 216 208 MACY Charles 29 m w farm labor Pa 976 6 217 209 WARRINGTON Seth 43 m w farmer NJ 976 7 217 209 WARRINGTON Martha N. 42 f w Del. 976 8 217 209 WARRINGTON Anna 12 f w NJ 976 9 217 209 WARRINGTON Mary I. 6 f w NJ 976 10 217 209 CLARK Bridget 45 f w domestic Ireland 976 11 217 209 ARTHUR Robert 21 m w laborer Ireland 976 12 217 209 COSTELLO Patrick 22 m w laborer Ireland 976 13 218 210 WARRINGTON Henry 41 m w farmer Nj 976 14 218 210 WARRINGTON Margaret C. 37 f w Pa 976 15 218 210 WARRINGTON William H. 14 m w NJ 976 16 218 210 WARRINGTON Anna H. 9 f w NJ 976 17 218 210 WARRINGTON Charles W. 6 m w NJ 976 18 218 210 WARRINGTON Henry 3 m w NJ 976 19 218 210 WARRINGTON Edward 11/12 m w NJ 976 20 218 210 BREWTON Mary C. 12 f w Pa 976 21 218 210 STEVENSON William 16 m m farm labor NJ 976 22 219 211 PARRY William 42 m w farmer NJ 976 23 219 211 PARRY Alice 37 f w NJ 976 24 219 211 PARRY Charles 16 m w NJ 976 25 219 211 PARRY John 13 m w NJ 976 26 219 211 PARRY William, Jr. 11 m w NJ 976 27 219 211 PARRY Oliver 9 m w NJ 976 28 219 211 PARRY Howard 6 m w NJ 976 29 219 211 PARRY Tacy 9/12 f w NJ 976 30 219 211 DANCE Abigail 43 f w domestic NJ 976 31 219 211 SHINN Emma Il 14 f w domestic NJ 976 32 219 211 WOOSTER Ira 22 m w farm labor NJ 976 33 219 211 HATCHER Isaac 23 m w farm labor NJ 976 34 219 211 MILLER William F. 24 m w farm labor Germany 976 35 220 212 STOKES Nathaniel 58 m w gentleman NJ 976 36 220 212 STOKES Hannah H. 23 f w NJ 976 37 220 212 STOKES Mary E. 18 f w NJ 976 38 220 212 ALCEMAR Casper 53 m w laborer Germany 976 39 221 213 MURPHY Patrick 53 m w farm labor Ireland 976 40 221 213 MURPHY Rosanna 48 f w Ireland [email protected]

I am trying to locate any one that may have been related to Jack Binns and his wife....I am scanning olf family photos and have a really nice photo of my grandparents James and Lillian Simmons sitting with Jack Binns and his wife...my Uncle Jim remembers them and told me that Jack Binns owned a bar in the Wild Wood Villas which I'm not really sure where that is exactly but I know my grandparents lived around Camden County, mainly in Stratford so I thought I'd at least try the his list and see if anyone knew of the Wild Wood Villa's or any Jack Binns.....if so email me [email protected] Debby

Hello, The Cedar Grove Cemetery records are at the Camden County Historical Society. I have seen the registry of all the cemetery deeds-it has been reproduced and is chronological. The burial plot records are out for copying and as of several weeks ago are not yet back. I have no checked on them recently. Rick Franzen

Just to add to the issue of naturalization, I know in the case of some of my ancestors who came from Ireland, to naturalize or not, it wasn't so much as case of trying to blend in, not wanting the local community to know they were Irish, it was the case of being illiterate. Probably 80-90% of all Famine immigrants who came to America from 1845-1870 were illiterate, many like my HAGERTY ancestors, spoke Gaelic more often than English. The surname HAGERTY was written down by the immigration officials as HAGGERTY because that was the way it sounded with the thick brogue, you will rarely find the spelling HAGGERTY in Ireland, many other Irish names as well as those of other nationalities were butchered by the immigration clerks at the ports of entry and why, because most people coming in at the time were illiterate and didn't know any better. In our case it wasn't until the 1900 census(could have been the 1890 census, but that was lost in the fire) that you see the family name was corrected back to HAGERTY and the reason is simple, their children, the first generation American, were in their teens and twenties and literate and able to notify the census takers and everyone else they had been writing the name incorrectly. For some of the immigrants I think they didn't become citizens, because they believed when things got better at home in the old country they'd return, but illiteracy again was the primary reason why people didn't become naturalized citizens. Only the youngest brother of my Great-grandfather Hagerty ever became a citizen, because he was the only one who was learned to read and write. Until my Great-grandfather's death in 1901, his children read the Irish Echo to him and they had fun at times changing the stories around until he would eventually catch on and chase them around the house. Ed Hagerty

The only thing I am certain about my ggpa, John H Coulter's death, is that he was buried in Old St. Mary's Catholic Church in Gloucester City. An old listing in the Gloucester City Historical Society transcriptions of that cemetery [headstones no longer exist], shows he died Oct. 20, 1924. Direct communication with the church revealed this from their burial register: John H. Coulter died of 'xempt' right side on Sept. 20, 1924 and was buried on Sept. 24th. [The register did have his place of birth wrong]. A long while ago, I sent away to Trenton for a dc and it came back not found. I recently asked a RAOGK who was going to Trenton to look for his dc and she came back with a not found for 1923-1925. Could some kind soul check the Gloucester City death and burial records for the Sept 20's and Oct 20's of 1924 and see if he's there? I'm figuring the name got messed up somehow. His vitals were: Born 1/19/1875 in Shamokin, PA to Patrick Coulter and Elizabeth Wert. He was survived by dtr, Violet Coulter Gebert.

BURLINGTON CO. NJ, 7 July 1860, PO Mt. Holly, Cinnaminson Twp. p. 975 975 1 210 202 MASON Walter H. 2 m w NJ 975 2 210 202 HEATON Joseph 55 m w farm laborer NJ 975 3 211 203 SHIME William A. 24 m w farm labor NJ 975 4 211 203 SHIME Mary A. 23 f w NJ 975 5 212 204 WARRINGTON Joseph 55 m w farmer NJ 975 6 212 204 WARRINGTON Mary L. 48 f w Pa 975 7 212 204 WARRINGTON Susan 19 f w Pa 975 8 212 204 WARRINGTON Anna B. 11 f w Pa 975 9 212 204 DALTON Ellen 20 f w domestic Ireland 975 10 212 204 SONG John 25 m w farm laborer Ireland 975 11 212 204 HAGAN Hugh 25 m w farm laborer Ireland 975 12 213 205 STOKES Joseph 33 m w farmer NJ 975 13 213 205 STOKES Mary W. 23 f w Pa 975 14 213 205 STOKES Horace 10/12 m w Pa 975 15 213 205 SHACKELTON Anna 33 f w domestic Pa 975 16 213 205 ARTHUR John 27 m w farm laborer Ireland 975 17 213 205 POCHER August 22 m w farm laborer Prussia 975 18 214 206 LIPPINCOTT Samuel R. 57 m w farmer NJ 975 19 214 206 LIPPINCOTT Mary 51 f w NJ 975 20 214 206 LIPPINCOTT Susan W. 25 f w NJ 975 21 214 206 LIPPINCOTT Emily S. 23 f w NJ 975 22 214 206 LIPPINCOTT Hewlings 17 m w NJ 975 23 214 206 McABE Ann 25 f w domestic Ireland 975 24 214 206 DONER Martha 23 f w domestic Ireland 975 25 214 206 GROFF Benjamin 51 m w farm laborer NJ 975 26 214 206 TUDY Benjamin 51 m b farm labor NJ 975 27 215 207 GILLINGHAM George L. 49 m w farmer Pa 975 28 215 207 GILLINGHAM Elizabeth L. 39 f w NJ 975 29 215 207 GILLINGHAM Eliza 10 f w Pa 975 30 215 207 GILLINGHAM B. H. 8 m w NJ 975 31 215 207 GILLINGHAM George L.Jr 6 m w NJ 975 32 215 207 GILLINGHAM M. E. 4 f w NJ 975 33 215 207 WELLS Martha 40 f w domestic NJ 975 34 215 207 GORAM Charlotte 35 f w domestic NY 975 35 215 207 JOHNSON Esther 22 f b domestic NJ 975 36 216 208 GOODENOUGH Wm C 36 m w farm labor NJ 975 37 216 208 GOODENOUGH Sarah 32 f w NJ 975 38 216 208 GOODENOUGH Maria 8 f w NJ 975 39 216 208 GOODENOUGH Charles H. 6 m w NJ 975 40 216 208 GOODENOUGH Emma 5 f w NJ [email protected]

Good Morning all. Would someone be kind enough to let me know about the new changes that have taken effect? I seem to remember some talk a while back but at present am not sure. I would love to do my part but first I need to know what I am arguing against. Chris

Try the National Archives site...(NARA)....it has a locator of ED if you have street. I found my two families easily with it and bought the films and have them already. HTTP://1930CENSUS.ARCHIVES.GOV [email protected]

I believe the person who developed this site did it only for the 1930 census, since so little of it was indexed using the Soundex system. This same person also developed a "one-step" system for searchng the Ellis Island database.... Anne --- "Janet T. Smith" <[email protected]> wrote: > What a great site! Thanks for the tip. Does > anything like it exist for other census years? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Anne Kerr > There's a website which will assist in finding the > correct enumeration district for the 1930 census, if > you have at least a street name. See: > > //home.pacbell.net/spmorse/census > > This might help a lot of those looking for various > addresses in Camden. > Anne __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com

Hi All. First of all, Thanks to all who responded about my mystery great grandfather, even had some replies which put him a different age on the 1900 census , 1920 and 1930. So much for the way women lie about their age. HA HA... Would some kind soul who has access to ancestry.com please go to New Jersey, Camden, other townships, Ed 100. image 22 of 45 The Last name is Fitzgerald, John his wife Ella- I cannot figure out where her parents were born. ?? Would like other opinion on this. Thank you in advance so much. Chris

Could anyone tell me where the records are kept for the Cedar Grove Cemetery in Gloucester City, and how I can get further information? More than a year ago I contacted the person I was told had the records for the cemetery, and asked what was necessary to obtain information about my grandparents who are buried there. I enclosed an SASE, but have never had a reply. I believe that my grandparent were probably quite poor, and could not afford grave stones or markers so I have nothing further to go on. They were Andrew C. Storms (1854-1926) and Annie Heard Storms (1862-?). Thanks for any leads. Ralph Forsaith ................ [email protected]

What should I look for when looking up Cramer Hill in Camden NJ on the 1930 census. My father lived there. Thank you for any help. Louise from Wellsboro, Pa

Please take note of change of my email address from "[email protected]" to "[email protected]" Still working on publishing the "Rowand Family Tree" which also descends from John Hillman & Margaret Ward mrd in 1693. Wes Hayman

There's a website which will assist in finding the correct enumeration district for the 1930 census, if you have at least a street name. See: //home.pacbell.net/spmorse/census This might help a lot of those looking for various addresses in Camden. Anne __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com

Cramer Hill was in the 12th ward of the City of Camden, NJ in the 1930 census. Anne --- Louise Smyth <[email protected]> wrote: > What should I look for when looking up Cramer Hill > in Camden NJ on the 1930 census. My father lived > there. Thank you for any help. Louise from > Wellsboro, Pa > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com

In a message dated 5/18/2002 1:52:25 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: > >> Why would they say born in NJ when my grandfather who he is living with > >says > >> his father was born in Ireland? Please help me figure this out with > some > >> suggestions, as this Joseph Fitzgerald is a mystery. . ( not really > just > >> cant find out where he is buried or where is was naturalized . > >> > >Chris- > > > >He probably wasn't naturalized. I have an Irish family who shows up for > the > >first time on the 1860 census saying everyone was born in Ireland and on > the > >next census and every one after that it says the parents were born Ireland > >but all the children were born in NJ. I *know* that isn't true--but they > >even said it in their obituaries. They either were trying to make > themselves > >appear to be citizens or they had something to gain by claiming to be NJ > >born--that is the only thing I can figure. I have never found > naturalization > >records for them either. I also figure there was some "stigma" to having > >been born in Ireland at that time in history. > > > >Joan > > This is often the case...hiding the nationality depending on the times, in both census papers and obituaries...our families did this with births in Germany and Italy, too, and even from Canada when Canadians came south to New England and "took" textile working jobs. [email protected]

BURLINGTON CO., NJ 6 July 1860, PO Mt. Holly, Cinnaminson Twp. p. 974 974 1 200 192 LOYD Ella 4 f w NJ 974 2 200 192 LOYD Atwood 2 m w NJ 974 3 200 192 LAKE Alexander 45 m w shoemaker NJ 974 4 201 193 HAMMELL John W. 59 m w coachmaker NJ 974 5 201 193 HAMMELL Anna 48 f w NJ 974 6 201 193 COLMAN Jacob 65 m w gentleman NJ 974 7 201 193 HAMMELL Charles 17 m w coachmaker NJ 974 8 202 194 LINCOLN Sarah 43 f w gentlewoman NJ 974 9 202 194 LINCOLN Cornelia A. 16 f w NJ 974 10 202 194 LINCOLN Joseph A. 14 m w NJ 974 11 202 194 LINCOLN Aaronson 11 m w NJ 974 12 202 194 FLOWERS George 38 m w blacksmith NJ 974 13 202 194 FLOWERS Rachel 9 f w NJ 974 14 203 195 HORNER David 47 m w farmer NJ 974 15 203 195 HORNER Catharine 54 f w NJ 974 16 204 196 HARRIS Edward P. 24 m w farm labor NJ 974 17 204 196 HARRIS Tacy S. 24 f w NJ 974 18 204 196 HARRIS Susan B. 2 f w NJ 974 19 204 196 HARRIS Sarah E. 9/12 f w NJ 974 20 204 196 STOCKTON Johnston 16 m w farm labor NJ 974 21 205 197 WHITE Alsbery 32 m b farm labor Del. 974 22 205 197 WHITE Jane 39 f b Del. 974 23 205 197 SUFF Benana 12 f b Del. 974 24 205 197 WHITE Joel A. 7 m b Del. 974 25 206 198 KAIN Amos 36 m w nursery laborer NJ 974 26 206 198 KAIN Mary A. 35 f w NJ 974 27 206 198 KAIN Samuel 9 m w NJ 974 28 206 198 KAIN William P. 6 m w NJ 974 29 206 198 KAIN Richard 4 m w NJ 974 30 206 198 KAIN Amy A. 1 f w NJ 974 31 207 199 COOPER W. 28 m w farm labor NJ 974 32 207 199 COOPER Mary 25 f w NJ 974 33 207 199 COOPER Caroline 7 f w NJ 974 34 207 199 COOPER Margaret 5 f w NJ 974 35 207 199 COOPER Mary E. 2 f w NJ 974 36 208 200 COOPER Hannah 70 f w washerwoman NJ 974 37 209 201 COLLINS Benjamin 26 m b farm labor NJ 974 38 209 201 COLLINS Louisa 21 f b NJ 974 39 210 202 MASON Charles 30 m w farm labor NJ 974 40 210 202 MASON Sarah 23 f w NJ [email protected]

Just throwing this possibility in for what it may be worth. Anna is listed as a spinner in a Woolen Mill (I assume in Camden). My grandfather worked (also) at a mill in Camden. The name was Howland Croft & Sons - Worsted Yarns, Camden, NJ from 1907 to 1917. Howland Croft & Sons was located on Broadway at Jefferson Avenue. They were previously known as Croft & Priestley. Bill in NJ [email protected] wrote: > > Hi Chris, > I found Joseph in the 1920 Camden Census, taken Jan. 13th, living at 15 N. > Twenty Second St., Rents his home, age 50, b. IRE, emigrated in 1864, Na. in > 1889, operator for Bottling Machine. He is m. to Sarah, age 52, b. NJ, > parents b. IRE. Living in the home are: > William, son, age 24,b NJ, S, machinist > Charles, son, age 16, b.NJ, S > Williams, Anna, daughter, age 21, b. NJ, M, Spinner at Woolen mill > .. , Sarah, granddaughter, age 6/12, b. NJ S > Agnes, daughter, age 13, b. NJ S > Katherine, daughter, age 2 (poss. 3 - hard to read), b. NJ S > > Hope this helps solve some issues! Joan > > In a message dated 5/18/02 12:38:22 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > [email protected] writes: > > > 1900 Census - Joseph Fitzgerald- Born July 1865 - 34 years old .- Married > > 15 years. Born in Ireland- > > > > I know he was widowed in 1928. > > > > Now the 1930 census shows him living with my grandfather Charles Fitzgerald > > but this is the information provided: > > > > Joseph Fitzgerald M W 58 M ( which he is not as my ggrandmother died 2 > > years previous. Says he was born in NJ. > > > > 1. Notice his age is 58 that is a 5 years age difference. At the 1930 > > census he was working for the railroad. > > > > Could my grandmother 1) not known his age so she guessed. > > 2) lied so he could continue to work at the railroad? > > > > Why would they say born in NJ when my grandfather who he is living with > > says his father was born in Ireland? Please help me figure this out with > > some suggestions, as this Joseph Fitzgerald is a mystery. . ( not really > > just cant find out where he is buried or where is was naturalized . > > > > Chris > > > > -- For A Limited Time Only, Any Repair To Any Photo...$24.95 Visit Our Web Site For Complete Information http://www.town-local.net