BURLINGTON CO. NJ 10 July 1860, PO Mt. Holly, Cinnaminson Twp. p. 981 981 1 258 249 GIPSON Oliver 50 m b laborer NJ 981 2 258 249 GIPSON Anna 45 f b NJ 981 3 258 249 GIPSON John 14 m b NJ 981 4 258 249 GIPSON Mary E. 12 f b NJ 981 5 258 249 GIPSON Sarah 10 f b NJ 981 6 258 249 GIPSON Emma J. 7 f b NJ 981 7 258 249 GIPSON Josaphene 3 f b NJ 981 8 259 250 HARRIS Anthony 48 m m farmer Del. 981 9 259 250 HARRIS Emma 25 f m housekeeper NJ 981 10 259 250 HARRIS Martha 16 f m NJ 981 11 259 250 HARRIS Anthony, Jr. 14 m m NJ 981 12 259 250 HARRIS Henry 12 m m NJ 981 13 260 251 CONROW Clayton 23 m w farmer NJ 981 14 260 251 CONROW Mary L. 20 f w NJ 981 15 260 251 CHATUA Elizabeth 24 f w domestic NJ 981 16 260 251 LIPPINCOTT George 28 m w NJ 981 17 260 251 HARRIS William 21 m m NJ 981 18 261 252 PERKINS Isaac Sprogal 52 m w bricklayer Pa 981 19 261 252 PERKINS Eliza 49 f w Pa 981 20 261 252 PERKINS Charlotte A. 25 f w Pa 981 21 261 252 PERKINS Harriet 22 f w Pa 981 22 261 252 PERKINS Benjamin F. 18 m w farm labor Pa 981 23 261 252 PERKINS Alzoirm C. 16 m w farm labor Pa 981 24 261 252 PERKINS Anna E. 12 f w Pa 981 25 261 252 PRESTON Jacob 89 m w gentleman Pa 981 26 262 253 WIRTH George 28 m w farm labor Germany 981 27 262 253 WIRTH Christena 27 f w Wurtemberg 981 28 262 253 WIRTH Charles G. 2 m w NJ 981 29 263 254 ILTHAIMER John 35 m w farm labor Germany 981 30 263 254 ILTHAIMER Flora 32 f w Germany 981 31 264 255 JESSUP Charles 48 m w farmer NJ 981 32 264 255 JESSUP Elizabeth L. 23 f w housekeeper NJ 981 33 264 255 JESSUP Benjamin H. 20 m w NJ 981 34 264 255 JESSUP George W. 17 m w NJ 981 35 264 255 JESSUP Sarah 9 f w NJ 981 36 264 255 SHAW Hannah R. 21 f w domestic Pa 981 37 264 255 SANAGHER Prudence 19 f w domestic NJ 981 38 264 255 HARRIS John 23 m b farm labor Pa 981 39 264 255 BUTLER Thomas 19 m w farm labor NJ 981 40 265 2556 GEMNER Frederick 33 m w farm labor Baden [email protected]

In addition to Harleigh Cemetery, I have called Camden, NJ, Public Works Dept.(hold records for New Camden Cem.) on several occasions, and they also look up information for no charge as well as Lakeview Cem. in Cinnaminson, Rose Hill in Clayton, and Cedar Green Cemetery in Clayton, NJ. I believe the large majority still offer this as a free service. Joan In a message dated 5/24/02 9:08:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: > When I went to Harleigh Cemetery and asked them to look up a name they > printed me the names of all the people in the grave site that had their > ages, date of internment, a map of the cemetery to find them and even a > will > that was on file there and wouldn't take a cent. > Evelyn > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lynn Jefferies" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2002 1:31 PM > Subject: Re: [NJCAMDEN] Colestown Cemetery wants $100.00 for my family's > cemetery records > > > > > > I've been reading with interest the Colestown Cemetery discussion. > > Several points. First of all, receiving records from a cemetery is not an > entitlement for a researcher. The second is that most cemeteries are not > non-profits, they are businesses. Today, you can't even dial directory > assistance for a telephone number without incurring a charge. So, why > should > cemeteries be any different? You are asking for a service, they are > charging > a fee for that service. Whether or not you decide to pay that charge is > your > decision. > > The sad fact is, that as genealogy grows as a hobby, more and more > strains > are placed on support staff in the cemetery offices. To compensate for > this, > more cemeteries are charging fees. Most not as high as Colestown, but they > do charge. Harleigh in Camden, the last time I checked, charged $18 an hour > plus cost of copies. > > As for reporting Colestown to the state. For what? Charging a fee. > > When you write to cemeteries, do you offer to pay copying costs? Anyone > connected with business knows that copier toner and supplies are expensive. > Or, in the case of non-profits, additionally offer to make a donation to > their perpetual care funds? > > From what I have heard through the researcher grapevine is that there was > a change in Colestown personnel several years ago. The new person in charge > is much less amenable to researchers. As a result these records have gone > from extremely accessible to almost inacessible. > > If you don't want to pay the fees, you have several options. Two books > have been printed recording gravestone inscriptions at Colestown. One is a > typescript done by a DAR chapter years ago. This book has the advantage > that > some genealogy is included with certain entries. The second was done > several > years ago as an Eagle Scout project. Both of these books are available at > the Camden County Historical Society and probably elsewhere. Another course > is to check the Cemetery Cards at the Camden County Historical Society. > These record county burials up to about 1937. > > Lynn > > > > > > > > > >

When I went to Harleigh Cemetery and asked them to look up a name they printed me the names of all the people in the grave site that had their ages, date of internment, a map of the cemetery to find them and even a will that was on file there and wouldn't take a cent. Evelyn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynn Jefferies" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2002 1:31 PM Subject: Re: [NJCAMDEN] Colestown Cemetery wants $100.00 for my family's cemetery records > > I've been reading with interest the Colestown Cemetery discussion. > Several points. First of all, receiving records from a cemetery is not an entitlement for a researcher. The second is that most cemeteries are not non-profits, they are businesses. Today, you can't even dial directory assistance for a telephone number without incurring a charge. So, why should cemeteries be any different? You are asking for a service, they are charging a fee for that service. Whether or not you decide to pay that charge is your decision. > The sad fact is, that as genealogy grows as a hobby, more and more strains are placed on support staff in the cemetery offices. To compensate for this, more cemeteries are charging fees. Most not as high as Colestown, but they do charge. Harleigh in Camden, the last time I checked, charged $18 an hour plus cost of copies. > As for reporting Colestown to the state. For what? Charging a fee. > When you write to cemeteries, do you offer to pay copying costs? Anyone connected with business knows that copier toner and supplies are expensive. Or, in the case of non-profits, additionally offer to make a donation to their perpetual care funds? > From what I have heard through the researcher grapevine is that there was a change in Colestown personnel several years ago. The new person in charge is much less amenable to researchers. As a result these records have gone from extremely accessible to almost inacessible. > If you don't want to pay the fees, you have several options. Two books have been printed recording gravestone inscriptions at Colestown. One is a typescript done by a DAR chapter years ago. This book has the advantage that some genealogy is included with certain entries. The second was done several years ago as an Eagle Scout project. Both of these books are available at the Camden County Historical Society and probably elsewhere. Another course is to check the Cemetery Cards at the Camden County Historical Society. These record county burials up to about 1937. > Lynn > > > > > --------------------------------- > Do You Yahoo!? > LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience >

I now have the correct name and did a google search and have the history of Petty's Island. Thanks. JSR

Fact: The Beagary family lived on, and probably owned, Betty's Island in the Delaware River between Philadelphia and Camden, NJ.. It's a small island, perhaps 50 acres, and is now a petroleum tank farm. When I attended the University Of Pennsylvania, I tried to research the family but there was nothing recorded and no Beagarys to be found. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++== Received this in an e-mail today. I am trying to research my Beagary line and heard for the first time from this Beagary descendant. I have no idea where he tried to do research. Would anyone have any ideas where I should start looking? Here are Beagary ancestors who might have lived on Betty's Island. Jacqueline Sleeper Russell =========================================== 1. Vincent BEAGARY, B. 23 Jan 1731. D. 6 Sep 1816. M. Catherine Susannah _?_, B. 29 Mar 1722, D. 21 June 1778. (child: Emanuel) 2. Emanuel BEAGARY, B. 26 Mar 1760. D. 11 Nov 1825. M. Catherine SLIM, B. 30 Sep 1765. D. 22 Mar 1834. (daughter of Peter Slim and Christiana Houseman) CHILDREN OF EMANUEL BEAGARY AND CHRISTIANA HOUSEMAN: Rebecca, B. 28 Aug 1786,Samuel, B. 30 Nov 1788 Mary, B. 11 Apr 1792, John, B. 5 Jun 1794, Benjamin, B. 21 May 1796, Catherine, B. 11 May 1798, Peter, B. 17 Mar 1802, Emanuel, 2 Aug 1804 3. John BEAGARY, B. 5 June 1794. M. (1) Rebecca HERBERT, 9 Feb 1817 CHILDREN OF JOHN BEAGARY AND REBECCA HERBERT: Marriage one for John BEAGARY. 1. Samuel D. in infancy, 2. Richard, 3. Caroline, B. 5 Oct 1826, D. 1901. M. Henry LAWTELL (son of Henry and Nancy Lawtell) (children: Mary Elizabeth, B. 19 Mar 1848. M. Frank Piers, 2 Jun 1879 in Philadelphia: children - Caroline (died in infancy) & Marjorie. 4. Catherine, B. 8 May 1829. D. 2 Jun 1888. M. Joseph FRENCH, 28 Nov 1850. D. 1867. (son of Joseph & Christiana French) (child: John, D. in infancy) 5. John, B. 22 Aug 1832 D. 28 Sept 1891. M. Marie COOK, B. 25 Sep 1854 D. 14 Apr 1893. (daughter of John and Jane P. Cook) (children: Laura Herbert, B. 8 Oct 1855 M. James TERRY, 18 Nov 1880 in Philadelphia. (children: Francis, B. 19 Aug 1881 and Hubner, B. 11 Jan 1883) John, B. 30 Apr 1859. M. Anna Levis, 4 Nov 1880 in Philadelphia. (children: Herbert and Jean. Jane ? John BEAGARY, B. 5 Jun 1794, M. (2) Keziah LANDERS, (m) 17 July, 1836, (widow of Simon Stiles) (daughter of John Landers and Mary Lupton. Keziah Landers B. 25 May 1801 D. 24 Feb 1890. CHILDREN OF JOHN BEAGARY AND KEZIAH LANDERS: Marriage two for John BEAGARY. 1. Elizabeth, B. 5 Sep 1838 D. 2 Oct 1889, M. (1) Charles J. FIELD, (son of John and Ernestine A. Field. (children: Henry - D. in infancy. Catherine Adele (2) M. Charles REED, 25 Sept 1873, (son of Samuel and Fannie L. Reed) (children: Karl Beagary) 2. Rebecca Ann, B. 8 Oct 1840. D. 1 Aug 1923. M. Charles Hill Morgan, 4 Aug 1863. Son of Hiram and Clarissa Rich. (children: Harriet, Charlotte Paul and Ralph. Almyra D. in infancy.

BURLINGTON CO. NJ 9 July 1860, PO Mt. Holly, Cinnaminson Twp. p. 980 980 1 247 239 WILKENS Sarah 47 f w NJ 980 2 247 239 BELL Charles 10 m w NJ 980 3 248 240 NECORE George 39 m w farm labor Germany 980 4 248 240 NECORE Margaret 26 f w Germany 980 5 248 240 NECORE William 5 m w NJ 980 6 248 240 NECORE Anna 3 f w NJ 980 7 248 240 NECORE Charles 1 m w Illinois 980 8 249 241 HOLLAND Lawrence 57 m w carpenter NJ 980 9 249 241 HOLLAND Mary 57 f w NJ 980 10 249 241 HOLLAND Lawrence, Jr. 18 m w farm labor NJ 980 11 250 242 HUNTER Franklin 30 m w farmer NJ 980 12 250 242 HUNTER Elizabeth 21 f w NJ 980 13 250 242 ASHWOOD Mary 13 f w NJ 980 14 250 242 BUTLER Michael 13 m w NJ 980 15 250 242 BUTLER James 16 m w NJ 980 16 251 243 QUAN George 40 m m farm labor NJ 980 17 251 243 QUAN Sarah 29 f m NJ 980 18 251 243 QUAN Hester 3 f m NJ 980 19 251 243 READ Hester 65 f m NJ 980 20 252 244 STEWART William 20 m w farm labor NJ 980 21 252 244 STEWART Sarah 18 f w NJ 980 22 252 244 STEWART William H. 1 m w NJ 980 23 253 245 DODD Joseph 26 m w farm labor NJ 980 24 253 245 DODD Mary 41 f w NJ 980 25 253 245 DODD Martha A. 7 f w NJ 980 26 254 246 HUNTER Sarah P. 72 f w gentlewoman NJ 980 27 255 247 HUNTER David 35 m w farmer NJ 980 28 255 247 HUNTER Mary A. 22 f w NJ 980 29 255 247 HUNTER Lizzie 1 f w NJ 980 30 255 247 HAINES Joseph 19 m w farm labor NJ 980 31 256 unoccupied 980 32 257 248 JOHNSON William 45 m w farmer NJ 980 33 257 248 JOHNSON Isabel 39 f w NJ 980 34 257 248 JOHNSON Isaac 21 m w NJ 980 35 257 248 JOHNSON Francis M. 19 m w NJ 980 36 257 248 JOHNSON Mary J. 17 f w NJ 980 37 257 248 JOHNSON Anna 14 f w NJ 980 38 257 248 JOHNSON Emma 12 f w NJ 980 39 257 248 JOHNSON Margaret 9 f w NJ 980 40 257 248 JOHNSON William, Jr. 6 m w NJ [email protected]

Hi Edie, Hope you remember me from earlier discussions of who Lydia's parents were. Well, I finally received a copy of her death certificate today and guess what?? Her parents were as I suspected -- David SCUDDER and Martha GANDY. She died Aug. 7, 1914 in Wildwood, Cape May Co, NJ and buried at Beesley Point, Cape May Co., NJ. The undertaker was her son-in-law, B.C. (Benjamin C.) Ingersoll of Wildwood. I hope this helps to give you some solid data. Exciting, isn't it?? She was a younger sister to my John G. SCUDDER and also, to Capt. William Corson SCUDDER. Regards, Joan

BURLINGTON CO. NJ 9 July 1860, PO Mt. Holly, Cinnaminson Twp. p. 979 979 1 237 229 HUNTER Thomas 4 m w NJ 979 2 237 229 LEWIS Enoch 23 m w farm labor NJ 979 3 237 229 BELL Isaiah 16 m w farm labor NJ 979 4 238 230 MARGARUM William 50 m w blacksmith NJ 979 5 238 230 MARGARUM Ann 64 f w England 979 6 239 231 TEEL Charles H. 30 m w shoemaker Pa 979 7 239 231 TEEL Martha I. 26 f w Ohio 979 8 239 231 TEEL Rebecca I. 6/12 f w NJ 979 9 240 232 PEAKE Aaron L. 27 m w boatman NJ 979 10 240 232 PEAKE Abigail 24 f w NJ 979 11 240 232 PEAKE Eliza B. 4 f w NJ 979 12 240 232 PEAKE Andrew J. 1 m w NJ 979 13 241 233 PETTIT Nathan 33 m w farm labor NJ 979 14 241 233 PETTIT Martha A. 26 f w NJ 979 15 241 233 PETTIT Thomas C. 3 m w NJ 979 16 242 234 HATCHER George 34 m w farm labor NJ 979 17 242 234 HATCHER Jane B. 36 f w NJ 979 18 242 234 HATCHER Mary E. 6 f w NJ 979 19 242 234 HATCHER Joseph N. 2 m w NJ 979 20 243 235 HULLINGS Israel 49 m w carpenter NJ 979 21 243 235 HULLINGS Hannah 43 f w NJ 979 22 243 235 HULLINGS Ezra 17 m w farm labor NJ 979 23 243 235 HULLINGS Lydia 16 f w NJ 979 24 244 236 HUNTER Emanuel 30 m w farm labor NJ 979 25 244 236 HUNTER Ann 26 f w NJ 979 26 244 236 HUNTER Elizabeth L. 6 f w NJ 979 27 244 236 HUNTER Mary A. 5 f w NJ 979 28 244 236 HUNTER George B. 2 m w NJ 979 29 244 236 HUNTER Henry V. 5/12 m w NJ 979 30 245 237 ANDERSON John W. 41 m w shoemaker Pa 979 31 245 237 ANDERSON Elizabeth C. 35 f w Del. 979 32 245 237 ANDERSON John W. 18 m w shoemaker app. Pa 979 33 245 237 ANDERSON Elizabeth A. 15 f w Pa 979 34 245 237 ANDERSON Sarah J. 15 f w Pa 979 35 245 237 ANDERSON Andrew J. 12 m w Pa 979 36 245 237 ANDERSON Leonard P. 7 m w Pa 979 37 245 237 ANDERSON Emma L. 1 f w Pa 979 38 245 237 POTTER George F. 19 m w shoemaker app. Pa 979 39 246 238 JACKSON Ann F. 66 f w gentlewoman Del. 979 40 247 239 WILKENS John 47 m w boatman NJ [email protected]

If anyone has some way to help this person. Either by newspaper lookup or Cemetery or death cert. it would be appreciated. happened in Trenton or Camden County 1946 Thanks CG From: Heidi Ruefenacht <[email protected]> The fire happened sometime after May 10, 1946 and before January 1, 1947. I know that it happend in that time period. The names are William Daniels Birthdate 10 May 1946, Raymond Daniels 23 February 1943, and Mark 23 February 1944. My sister said that they she thinks that they are buried somewhere in the Trenton area. I talked to soemone else and they said that they thought that my grandfather at the time was woking in Camden, NJ. I would like to have state wide newspaper search. So as you can tell I am really lost when it comes to finding them. Their parents names were Mark and Erna Daniels. I remember my grandmother saying to me when I was younger that her son William was only 6 months. My oldest sister thought that he was older than that, and then my other sister thought he was younger. I would look from the date of William's birth to the end of the year 1946. In my grandfather's obituary it said that the fire was in 1946. Thank you so much. ---------------------------------------- Heidi Ruefenacht [email protected] ---------------------------------------- ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/.

Lynn, My nephew and I were at Harleigh about three weeks ago and obtained copies of plots and information on location. We weren't charged anything at all and could not have been treated better. Maybe because we were actually there in person, but I think the woman would have had to do as much work in the lookup either way. Vince Lentz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynn Jefferies" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2002 1:31 PM Subject: Re: [NJCAMDEN] Colestown Cemetery wants $100.00 for my family's cemetery records > > I've been reading with interest the Colestown Cemetery discussion. > Several points. First of all, receiving records from a cemetery is not an entitlement for a researcher. The second is that most cemeteries are not non-profits, they are businesses. Today, you can't even dial directory assistance for a telephone number without incurring a charge. So, why should cemeteries be any different? You are asking for a service, they are charging a fee for that service. Whether or not you decide to pay that charge is your decision. > The sad fact is, that as genealogy grows as a hobby, more and more strains are placed on support staff in the cemetery offices. To compensate for this, more cemeteries are charging fees. Most not as high as Colestown, but they do charge. Harleigh in Camden, the last time I checked, charged $18 an hour plus cost of copies. > As for reporting Colestown to the state. For what? Charging a fee. > When you write to cemeteries, do you offer to pay copying costs? Anyone connected with business knows that copier toner and supplies are expensive. Or, in the case of non-profits, additionally offer to make a donation to their perpetual care funds? > From what I have heard through the researcher grapevine is that there was a change in Colestown personnel several years ago. The new person in charge is much less amenable to researchers. As a result these records have gone from extremely accessible to almost inacessible. > If you don't want to pay the fees, you have several options. Two books have been printed recording gravestone inscriptions at Colestown. One is a typescript done by a DAR chapter years ago. This book has the advantage that some genealogy is included with certain entries. The second was done several years ago as an Eagle Scout project. Both of these books are available at the Camden County Historical Society and probably elsewhere. Another course is to check the Cemetery Cards at the Camden County Historical Society. These record county burials up to about 1937. > Lynn > > > > > --------------------------------- > Do You Yahoo!? > LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience > >

I am doing genealogy research on my family and recently wrote to the Colestown Cemetery on April 22, 2002 for records on my ancestors who I believe to be buried there. I sent them my list of ancestors (Beagary, Slim, Field, Landers Lupton) with dates and just got a letter back in yesterday's mail charging me $100.00 for genealogy they claimed they had done. I never authorized them to do genealogy that I would have to pay for, in fact this is the first cemetery I have encountered that charged for records. I mainly have dealt with cemeteries in Massachusetts that charge nothing for this. I am on the Rootsweb E-mail mailing list for Camden, NJ and related this to the list and have gotten probably over 50 replies so far to my query about Colestown Cemetery. I asked the list if someone in the area could call Colestown to find out what they charge. I learned that they charge $25.00 per half hour to look in their records so I presume it took them four hours to look mine up. I have since learned through my mailing list that I can easily get these Colestown cemetery records elsewhere and I will. What I am now most interested in is who is watching over these cemeteries and can they legally charge anything they want to? Someone on this list suggested that this cemetery recently changed hands and in the past never charged for any records. Thanks for listening. Jacqueline Sleeper Russell PS: Here is the contents of the letter I received from Colestown. May 16, 2002 Dear Mrs. Russell, I have completed your genealogy, however there will be a charge of $100.00 dollars. Your genealogy will be sent to you upon receipt of yor check. respectively, Stacy A. Garlanger ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++=

BURLINGTON CO. NJ 9 July 1860, PO Mt. Holly, Cinnaminson Twp. p. 978 978 1 228 220 WALLACE Jane 25 f w gentlewoman NJ 978 2 228 220 O'NEIL Isabel 23 f w domestic NJ 978 3 228 220 KEARN John 30 m w farm labor Germany 978 4 228 220 HEATON Clayton 20 m w farm labor Germany 978 5 228 220 SOUTHWICK George 16 m w farm labor NJ 978 6 228 220 DOWNING Horace 10 m w NJ 978 7 229 221 LIPPINCOTT Elwood 25 m m farmer NJ 978 8 229 221 LIPPINCOTT Abigail L. 22 f w NJ 978 9 229 221 TILMAN Charles 15 m b Pa 978 10 230 222 VANDEGRIFT Jesse 21 m w farm labor NJ 978 11 230 222 VANDEGRIFT Margaret 18 f w Pa 978 12 231 223 LOVENER Augustus 38 m w farm labor Prussia 978 13 231 223 LOVENER Kate 25 f w Hesse Cassel 978 14 231 223 LOVENER Eliza 6 f w Pa 978 15 231 223 LOVENER Mary 4 f w Pa 978 16 231 223 LOVENER Terrese 6/12 f w Pa 978 17 232 224 GIPSON John 47 m m boatman NJ 978 18 232 224 GIPSON Ann 44 f m NJ 978 19 232 224 GIPSON Mary A. 24 f m NJ 978 20 232 224 GIPSON William 18 m m boatman NJ 978 21 232 224 GIPSON George F. 17 m m boatman NJ 978 22 232 224 GIPSON Nathan 4 m m NJ 978 23 233 225 OWEN Thomas 60 m w farmer England 978 24 233 225 OWEN Nancy 52 f w NJ 978 25 233 225 BELL Job 14 m w NJ 978 26 234 226 WARD Joseph P. 58 m w gentleman NJ 978 27 234 226 WARD Rachel 56 f w NJ 978 28 234 226 WARD Rachel A. 19 f w NJ 978 29 235 227 WARD Aaron 26 m w farmer NJ 978 30 235 227 WARD Amanda 23 f w house keeper NJ 978 31 235 227 MURPHY James 15 m w farm labor NJ 978 32 236 228 HUNTER Charles 53 m w farmer NJ 978 33 236 228 HUNTER Elizabeth A. 47 f w Pa 978 34 236 228 HAINES Ann E. 18 f w NJ 978 35 236 228 HAINES Sarah J. 12 f w NJ 978 36 236 228 HARRIS Daniel 11 m w NJ 978 37 236 228 BURK Samuel 20 m w unknown 978 38 237 229 HUNTER William 46 m w farmer NJ 978 39 237 229 HUNTER Mary 33 f w NJ 978 40 237 229 HUNTER William W. 5 m w NJ [email protected]

Several years ago I wrote "blind" to Colestown in a request inquiring about several surnames. Not knowing whom I may have buried there, if anyone. I got back a pleasant, short letter and 3 pages of information on family members/ancestors buried there. No charges and an offer to do more if I needed anything else. I can dig out that info and give you a name if you want. Diane Personal Website http://www.shovergen.com/Ghosts.html Burlington County, NJ Genealogy Website Coordinator http://www.shovergen.com/njburlin/index.html Rootsweb Mailing List Administrator CRISPIN, HACKNEY, SHOVER ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 10:24 PM Subject: [NJCAMDEN] Colestown Cemetery wants $100.00 for my family's cemetery records Well, I happily wrote a letter with my genealogy to the Colestown Cemetery on April 22, 2002 asking that they check their records to see what ancestors of mine were buried there. In today's mail I received the following. From: Colestown Cemetery Company Church Road & Kings Highway, Cherry Hill, N. J. 08002 I have completed your genealogy, however there will be a charge of $100.00 dollars. Your genealogy will be sent to you upon receipt of your check. (I won't put the person's name here who wrote the letter) I have to say I am writing her a letter back explaining that I have gotten records from cemeteries all over the USA and have never been asked for one red cent. Have I just been lucky or what is going on here? Needless to say I am not paying anything to these people. Be interested if anyone else has had a similar experience with this outfit. Thanks, JSR California

I've been reading with interest the Colestown Cemetery discussion. Several points. First of all, receiving records from a cemetery is not an entitlement for a researcher. The second is that most cemeteries are not non-profits, they are businesses. Today, you can't even dial directory assistance for a telephone number without incurring a charge. So, why should cemeteries be any different? You are asking for a service, they are charging a fee for that service. Whether or not you decide to pay that charge is your decision. The sad fact is, that as genealogy grows as a hobby, more and more strains are placed on support staff in the cemetery offices. To compensate for this, more cemeteries are charging fees. Most not as high as Colestown, but they do charge. Harleigh in Camden, the last time I checked, charged $18 an hour plus cost of copies. As for reporting Colestown to the state. For what? Charging a fee. When you write to cemeteries, do you offer to pay copying costs? Anyone connected with business knows that copier toner and supplies are expensive. Or, in the case of non-profits, additionally offer to make a donation to their perpetual care funds? From what I have heard through the researcher grapevine is that there was a change in Colestown personnel several years ago. The new person in charge is much less amenable to researchers. As a result these records have gone from extremely accessible to almost inacessible. If you don't want to pay the fees, you have several options. Two books have been printed recording gravestone inscriptions at Colestown. One is a typescript done by a DAR chapter years ago. This book has the advantage that some genealogy is included with certain entries. The second was done several years ago as an Eagle Scout project. Both of these books are available at the Camden County Historical Society and probably elsewhere. Another course is to check the Cemetery Cards at the Camden County Historical Society. These record county burials up to about 1937. Lynn --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience

In a message dated 5/22/02 9:13:19 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: > Another point of view... > Depending on how detailed your letter was, it may have taken the staff some > > time to compile the information. If this is a privately owned cemetery, it > > costs this business money to have their staff do research. Should you have > > received notice before they did the work? Sure. Is $100.00 too much > money? > Again, depends if your request stated "tell me what ancestors of mine are > there" vs. "is John Smith b. 4/3/1802 there" > > Sorry for your experience. > > Good point! Still warrants some explanation. Joan

Another point of view... Depending on how detailed your letter was, it may have taken the staff some time to compile the information. If this is a privately owned cemetery, it costs this business money to have their staff do research. Should you have received notice before they did the work? Sure. Is $100.00 too much money? Again, depends if your request stated "tell me what ancestors of mine are there" vs. "is John Smith b. 4/3/1802 there" Sorry for your experience.

In a message dated 5/21/02 11:25:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: > Well, > > I happily wrote a letter with my genealogy to the Colestown Cemetery on > April > 22, 2002 asking that they check their records to see what ancestors of mine > > were buried there. In today's mail I received the following. > > From: Colestown Cemetery Company > Church Road & Kings Highway, Cherry Hill, N. J. 08002 > > I have completed your genealogy, however there will be a charge of $100.00 > dollars. Your genealogy will be sent to you upon receipt of your check. > > (I won't put the person's name here who wrote the letter) > > I have to say I am writing her a letter back explaining that I have gotten > records from cemeteries all over the USA and have never been asked for one > red cent. Have I just been lucky or what is going on here? Needless to > say > I am not paying anything to these people. Be interested if anyone else has > > had a similar experience with this outfit. > > Thanks, > JSR > California > > I would say this is pretty outrageous! I have never heard of such a thing. I believe this is public information. I would ask to speak to the Supervisor or owner of Colestown Cemetery and lodge a complaint. Perhaps compiling to the state Cemetery Board would also be appropriate. This almost sounds like a scam since fees and charges should have been explained to you up front. I think they need to know that their "good name" is being placed in a very bad light "online" as many people from the area will be reading this. Keep us informed on this matter. Regards, Joan

Well, I happily wrote a letter with my genealogy to the Colestown Cemetery on April 22, 2002 asking that they check their records to see what ancestors of mine were buried there. In today's mail I received the following. From: Colestown Cemetery Company Church Road & Kings Highway, Cherry Hill, N. J. 08002 I have completed your genealogy, however there will be a charge of $100.00 dollars. Your genealogy will be sent to you upon receipt of your check. (I won't put the person's name here who wrote the letter) I have to say I am writing her a letter back explaining that I have gotten records from cemeteries all over the USA and have never been asked for one red cent. Have I just been lucky or what is going on here? Needless to say I am not paying anything to these people. Be interested if anyone else has had a similar experience with this outfit. Thanks, JSR California

BURLINGTON CO. NJ, 9 July 1860, PO Mt. Holly, Cinnaminson Twp. p. 977 977 1 221 213 MURPHY John 20 m w farm labor NJ 977 2 221 213 MURPHY Mary J. 18 f w NJ 977 3 221 213 MURPHY James 15 m w NJ 977 4 221 213 MURPHY William W. 12 m w NJ 977 5 221 213 MURPHY Charles F. 8 m w NJ 977 6 221 213 MURPHY Edward 4 m w NJ 977 7 222 214 FARLEY Owen 35 m w farm labor Ireland 977 8 222 214 FARLEY Ellen 45 f w Ireland 977 9 222 214 FARLEY Ann E. 6 f w NJ 977 10 222 214 FARLEY Margaret 5 f w NJ 977 11 222 214 FARLEY Kate 1 f w NJ 977 12 223 215 RILEY John O. 25 m w farm labor Ireland 977 13 223 215 RILEY Mary E. 22 f w NJ 977 14 223 215 RILEY Leah 2 f w NJ 977 15 223 215 RILEY Sarah I. 1 f w NJ 977 16 224 216 COLE Clayton R. 44 m w NJ 977 17 224 216 COLE Maria 49 f w NJ 977 18 224 216 COLE Mary A. 18 f w NJ 977 19 224 216 COLE Harriet 16 f w NJ 977 20 224 216 COLE Anna M. 14 f w NJ 977 21 224 216 COLE Clayton 11 m w NJ 977 22 224 216 COLE Franklin 7 m w NJ 977 23 224 216 BROWN Joel 21 m b laborer NJ 977 24 225 217 BROWN William L. 32 m w wheelwright NJ 977 25 225 217 BROWN Caroline 29 f w NJ 977 26 225 217 BROWN Susan 9 f w NJ 977 27 225 217 BROWN Henry F. 7 m w NJ 977 28 225 217 BROWN David L. 4 m w NJ 977 29 225 217 BROWN Sarah E. 2 f w NJ 977 30 225 217 IVINS Rebecca 62 f w gentlewoman NJ 977 31 226 218 O'NEAL Joseph M. 26 m w blacksmith Ireland 977 32 226 218 O'NEAL Mary 23 f w Ireland 977 33 226 218 O'NEAL Joseph H. 2 m w NJ 977 34 227 219 LIPPINCOTT Israel 60 m w gentleman NJ 977 35 227 219 LIPPINCOTT Atlantic W. 53 f w NJ 977 36 227 219 GATELY Catharine 18 f w domestic Ireland 977 37 227 219 HACKNEY Josiah 14 m w NJ 977 38 227 219 RUSH Mary 70 f w gentlewoman Pa 977 39 228 220 LIPPINCOTT William R. 30 m w farmer NJ 977 40 228 220 LIPPINCOTT Anna M. 24 f w NJ [email protected]

----- Original Message ----- From: BethStuebgen To: [email protected] Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2002 7:15 PM Subject: Re: CAMDEN COUNTY CENSUS 1900, 1910 Hi, I am researching: BENNETT, Margaret Tilson {MULL} b. 1899 BENNETT, Cleverland b. ? BENNETT, Dorthea/Dorothy b. 1920 BENNETT, William Grover b. June 6, 1921 COX, THOMAS b. abt. 1900 COX, May {Thompson} b. abt. 1900 COX, Elizabeth Margaret b. 03-24-1925 COX, Thomas b. 1-1-1929 Is there a Camden Co., NJ CENSUS for 1900...1910....1920? Thank you for any help in my research. Beth M. {BENNETT} Stuebgen