I so totally agree with the messages urging folks to email the necessary people regarding this new bill!!!!! I'm sending it on to other state's lists as well - one never knows - this "ugliness"might "catch on"!! When you read the material, you'll see that this will not only apply to genealogists, but to ANYONE who might want to write anything historical. Please make a stand and urge all to do so also. Keep well -- Terri

Since my Great-great-grandmother Eve Bayles lived in Beverly, Burlington Co., and I need to try to find out who was her husband, I felt it imperative to write to the three representatives from District 7, urging them to vote down any attempt to stop access to public records. For heaven's sake, why else are they called "public records"? I live in California but I hope to soon make that cross- country trip to look for the name of my great-great-grandfather. I urge all of you to do what Kim Elizabeth and I did, write to the representatives for the districts of your interests. Do it right away, PLEASE! Diane Altona San Diego

>From: [email protected] >This from another list. We must act immediately! Please call or fax your >NJ Assemblyman. Regards, Joan I looked up the assemblymen for my hometown area and sent an email. There's a quick and easy way to email them right from the legislature web site. The link below takes you to the page where you can search for assemblymen names by municipality. Once you see the names, you can check all of them for your region and email them all at once from the web site. It's very quick and easy. http://www.njleg.state.nj.us/districts/municipalities.asp I have lived in FL for a long time now, but ALL of my mother's family was from NJ, many since the 1600s, and most were from Burlington County. I told them I was still interested in the state and was proud to call Burlington my home. At the top of the email form there is a drop down menu for "subject", but I left it blank and checked the box below it. At the end of the form, there's a place to type in the subject, so I just typed "Bill A 1390" It took me longer to find the website for the legislators than it did to type the email, and now I've just done the hard part for you <GRIN>. The more people that write, the more likely they are to sit up and pay attention to us:) Kim in FL

Quakers didn't believe in tombstones, they thought them vain and so tombstones were usually not allowed in early Quaker cemeteries. Generally the meeting kept records of where people were buried using a map and the meeting minutes would give the dates of death and some information on the deceased. I don't have a date when Quakers began allowing tombstones but I would say it was probably about 1850. This may have varied from meeting to meeting. Its possible that people have placed tombstones on the site of burials, after the fact, that has happened in my family, but you need to be careful since the information on the tombstone isn't very accurate, at least in my case. Because something is written in stone doesn't mean its accurate. Quakers thought the important part of the person was the soul and that left the body upon death. What remained wasn't very important. I've seen several instances when Quakers sold their filled burial grounds without removing the bodies, and buildings were built on the site. One is at Haddonfield, N.J. where the bodies are now the parking lot of an Acme Market (I've recently heard that this might not have been a cemetery). And at Newton, N.J. the cemetery was sold and a factory was built on the site. (I don't know if the bodies were removed for the foundation of the building). Clearly Quakers didn't have a high regard for bodies of the deceased, they were mearly vessels for the soul. Jim Stokes Family Web Page http://home.comcast.net/~jameslstokes [email protected] wrote: --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_9298_1139317267_0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Would appreciate some explanation/discussion re Quakers and headstones. In the Williams County, Ohio Quaker cemetery I have photographed my family headstones dating back to mid 1800's. Each plot appears to have a stone. --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_9298_1139317267_0 Content-Type: message/rfc822 From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Subject: NJBURLIN-D Digest V06 #15 Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 08:04:45 +0000 Content-Type: Multipart/mixed; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_9298_1139317267_1" --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_9298_1139317267_1 Content-Type: text/plain NJBURLIN-D Digest Volume 06 : Issue 15 Today's Topics: #1 Lambert burial grounds [[email protected] (Terri)] Administrivia: To unsubscribe from NJBURLIN-D, send a message to [email protected] that contains in the body of the message the command unsubscribe and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. Please contact the listowner at [email protected] if you have any problems with the list. ______________________________ --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_9298_1139317267_1 X-Message: #1 Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 05:38:40 -0800 From: [email protected] (Terri) To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Subject: Lambert burial grounds Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Would like to thank all who responed to my question - Anita, James, Nancy, Margaret and Sally. Learned something new! Didn't know Quakers didn't/don't like headstones. Thanks all -- Terri --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_9298_1139317267_1-- --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_9298_1139317267_0-- --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses.

--NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_9298_1139317267_0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Would appreciate some explanation/discussion re Quakers and headstones. In the Williams County, Ohio Quaker cemetery I have photographed my family headstones dating back to mid 1800's. Each plot appears to have a stone. --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_9298_1139317267_0 Content-Type: message/rfc822 From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Subject: NJBURLIN-D Digest V06 #15 Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 08:04:45 +0000 Content-Type: Multipart/mixed; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_9298_1139317267_1" --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_9298_1139317267_1 Content-Type: text/plain NJBURLIN-D Digest Volume 06 : Issue 15 Today's Topics: #1 Lambert burial grounds [[email protected] (Terri)] Administrivia: To unsubscribe from NJBURLIN-D, send a message to [email protected] that contains in the body of the message the command unsubscribe and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. Please contact the listowner at [email protected] if you have any problems with the list. ______________________________ --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_9298_1139317267_1 X-Message: #1 Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 05:38:40 -0800 From: [email protected] (Terri) To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Subject: Lambert burial grounds Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Would like to thank all who responed to my question - Anita, James, Nancy, Margaret and Sally. Learned something new! Didn't know Quakers didn't/don't like headstones. Thanks all -- Terri --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_9298_1139317267_1-- --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_9298_1139317267_0--

This from another list. We must act immediately! Please call or fax your NJ Assemblyman. Regards, Joan In a message dated 2/7/2006 8:27:59 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: The Homeland Securities Nuts are really out there! Please read and forward and send letters, call this is crazy!!! Susan Ditmire [email protected] NJ-ALHN (American Local History Network) http://www.usgennet.org/usa/nj/state/ http://www.usgennet.org/usa/nj/county/atlantic/ http://www.usgennet.org/usa/nj/county/capemay/ http://www.usgennet.org/usa/nj/county/cumberland/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Howard Green" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2006 10:23 PM Subject: NJ Vital Records Threatened > From: Joan M Lowry <[email protected]> > Date: Feb 6, 2006 > > Hello All > > In light of recent discussions on this list regarding the price increase > for NJ Vital Records, I thought that you should be informed of a much > more serious piece of pending legislation that would remove virtually > all Vital Records from the realm of Public Records. In addition to > making the records non-public, the bill would further restrict who would > be allowed to obtain copies and would allow only "viewing" of the > records to others. > > Lest you think this is a potential problem "just for genealogists", the > bill also would make it against the law to "transfer, sell, share, > reproduce or otherwise disclose the information to another party." > There would be penalties for disclosing the information that could be > serious fines or even jail time. I don't know how anyone can write a > history book, article, or anything else if you can't share the > information, or provide a documented source for the information. > > The proposed bill, Assembly Bill 1390, is a product of the Homeland > Security and State Preparedness Committee. You can see the proposed > language at http://www.njleg.state.nj.us/2006/Bills/A1500/1390_I1.PDF. > You can also get there from the Genealogical Society of New Jersey's > website www.gsnj.org by going to the page for Legislative Alerts (the > direct page link is: http://www.rootsweb.com/~njgsnj/legislation.html.) > > This bill may be heard by the Assembly as early as February 9, this > coming Thursday. I urge you to make contact with the sponsors of the > bill via fax or email as soon as possible to ask them to amend the bill. > There is a summary sheet on the GSNJ website that gives more information > on the bill and proposed amended language. There is also a sample > letter for individuals to use. We will also very shortly be adding a > sample letter for use by societies and organizations. See the > Legislative Alerts page on the GSNJ website > > I would welcome any comments or assistance that can be offered to help > us get the bill changed before it is too late! My email address is > below. I can also be reached by phone at 201-306-0598. > > Thank you very much. > > Sincerely, > Joan M. Lowry, President > > Genealogical Society of New Jersey > www.gsnj.org > mailto:[email protected] > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.2/251 - Release Date: 2/4/2006 > >

Would like to thank all who responed to my question - Anita, James, Nancy, Margaret and Sally. Learned something new! Didn't know Quakers didn't/don't like headstones. Thanks all -- Terri

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/oQB.2ACE/1515 Message Board Post: We are searching for male Shores individuals from any branch family to participate in a Y Chromosome DNA test. In January of 2006 we initiated a "Shores" surname project through Family Tree DNA. This project is designed to provide irrefutable evidence of known and unknown family relatives. Through the technology of DNA testing, more specifically, y-line or males only testing, we can prove beyond a shadow of a doubt, purported connections to family, or as yet completely unknown connections. Indications from the first test results show that at least one branch of Shores originated and migrated within the northern European, British Isles--Britain, Ireland, Scotland, Iceland, Greenland, and Eastern Canada--all Viking populations, to North America. If you are a male Shores family member, or know of a cousin, uncle, father, grandfather that has a Shores surname, we ask that you please consider participating in this surname project. The following is just a sample of some of the branches from which we are seeking DNA participants: Samuel Shourds (Shores) - 1752 Chesterfield Twp. James Shores - 1752 married Hanna Watson John Shores - 1747 married Mary Moore, Mansfield Thomas - 1780 married Amey Ruckell We have a DNA representative from the following 2 branches but need others to participate: Jonathan Shores: born in 1794 in KY. Lived in Wilson Co., TN. Hiram Shores: born 1802 KY, lived in Wayne Co., IL. Married Tincy Ann Birks 1819. Those families named above and their respective individual branches represent merely the beginning of the project. There are other Shores families, for example, in Illinois, North Carolina, Alabama, Georgia, Kentucky. We welcome any participant from any Shores branch. We are sure you will want more information than this brief single document of introduction, so please check out our website: www.familytreedna.com/public/shores. The web site will provide a brief insight to what we are doing and why. Please click on "FAQ about DNA testing…" on the lower left hand side of the site to get to some of the questions I am sure you have. On the upper left hand side of the web site you will see a tab to "Join this Group." If you click on this tab you will go to a page with more Shores information and the form to submit to a DNA y-line test. By joining our surname project, you can receive a discount on the cost of the test—as opposed to simply taking the test independently. While the 12 marker test gets you in the game, we would strongly suggest that you submit to the 37 marker y-line test. This can prove a common ancestor within the last 150-200 years without any doubt. In this way, we and our test matches on both sides of the Atlantic can work both backwards and forwards to connect to new ancestors and descendants that are matched with our results--hopefully locating the missing links to our Northern European origins. We will be attempting to contact as many male Shores surname candidates as we can. Not only do I hope you will join us in the project, we sincerely hope that you will contact all those in your Shores database to join in the project as well. The more results we have, the better chance we have to make a confirmed connection. When we make that confirmed connection to our Northern European origins, we want you to be a part of it. Regards, Carl Shores Group Administrator Shores Surname Project Chandler, AZ [email protected]

My contact with a long-time member of the Chesterfield Meeting recalls that there was a period of time, maybe in the 1800s, when cemeteries were being desecrated and tombstones stolen. As he recalls, it was determined that the Meeting had a responsibility to stop the desecration and destruction, thus, the decision to remove tombstones and protect the deceased by not drawing attention to them. My source is out of state, just now, but he will look this up in their records upon his return next month. Nancy of Ellsworth, Me formerly of Mansfield Twp.

Some of the later ones do, but maybe not in the early days. I've been to a few Quaker cemeteries that do have headstones, but I don't know when the practice started. My Lippincott family were Quakers... Kim >From: "Sally Smith" <[email protected]> >To: [email protected] >Subject: Re: [NJBurlin] Lambert Burial Ground >Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 13:05:37 -0700 > >I don't believe Quaker Cemeteries have stones. The one in Woodstown, Salem >Co, NJ doesn't have stones. >

I don't believe Quaker Cemeteries have stones. The one in Woodstown, Salem Co, NJ doesn't have stones. Sally Smith ----- Original Message ----- From: "Terri" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2006 7:51 AM Subject: [NJBurlin] Lambert Burial Ground > > Question please?? > > Why would a committee of Quaker gentlemen be dispatched to remove and > destroy all headstones in a cemetery??? > > Go Seahawks -- Terri in WA > > >

Hi Terri, I suspect that this is an example of someone who didn't understand Quakers, who was trying to make sense of the information they found. During this time Quakers didn't believe in tombstones, someone unfamiliar with this must have assumed that the stones were removed. This is why its important that material be documented, genealogy is full of these incorrect assumptions. Jim Terri <[email protected]> wrote: Question please?? Why would a committee of Quaker gentlemen be dispatched to remove and destroy all headstones in a cemetery??? Go Seahawks -- Terri in WA --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses.

Question please?? Why would a committee of Quaker gentlemen be dispatched to remove and destroy all headstones in a cemetery??? Go Seahawks -- Terri in WA

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/oQB.2ACE/1514 Message Board Post: Need help in locating Rae Coverly Lute. I know that in 1920 she lived in Masonville, NJ, but I can't find her in the census. She had a son named Richard Lute born in 1908/1909. Found Richard living with his cousin Lester Hullings in the 1930 census. I don't know the husband Mr. Lute's first name, nor anything about him.. Found Rae Lute and son Richard Lute in newspaper ( Mt. Holly Herald ), marriage of Montgomery- Coverly 1919 and marriage of Stiles-Coverly 1920. Where do I go from here?

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/oQB.2ACE/1513 Message Board Post: There was a Lambert Burial Ground in existance in the Chesterfield (New Hanover Twp.), Burlington Co., New Jersey area in the early 1790's. The property had been left to the Chesterfield Monthly Meeting at the demise of a Mr. Lambert. In about 1794 a committee of Quaker gentlemen were dispatched to remove and destroy all the headstones in that cemetery. Would anybody with any information reference that particular cemetery please contact me. Thank you.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/oQB.2ACE/1511 Message Board Post: Would anyone have information or possible access to birth records? I need to know the parents of Job Coverly born 1867 in Burlington county, NJ.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/oQB.2ACE/1510 Message Board Post: Would anyone have information or possible access to marriage license of Richard Lute to Helen Anderson, both of Mount Holly, NJ, Jan. 1927? I need their parents names, so as to see if this is my kin.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/oQB.2ACE/1508 Message Board Post: Warren R Haines, of Medford, son of Everett H and Helena R Haines, was lost during a post-WW2 American Graves Registration mission on May 17, 1946. I am a reporter with a local newspaper interested in writing this story. It is fascinating. I am looking to locate any Hainers family members if at all possible. Does anyone on the list have any suggestions or connections? Charlie Webster

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/oQB.2ACE/1506 Message Board Post: Does anyone know what cemeteries there are in Chairville? I know there is the Peacock cemetery. Was Branch St. in Medford also considered Chairville ? I know there is a cemetery on Filbert St. , one behind Braddocks' Tavern, and another one all around the same area. Any help would be appreciated.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/oQB.2ACE/1504 Message Board Post: can someone help with 1910 census of riverside township for frank bosco and wife ida. frank was a barber . thanks for any help