Thanks Regina for clearing up that Effie (Euphemia) was the dau. of Rev. James and Euphemia , not Rev. John T. and his second wife. - I also agree that it is unlikely Euphemia was idiotic and it probably referred to her sister. Anna. or the laborer on the next line. However, Louisa and her three children were bur. at Pascack per Ackerman and Goff: I Noticed that my footnotes did not come through. So here they are: Demarest, Voorhis D. (1964), The Demarest Family. Vol. 1 #7-1027, #8-1604, #8-1605, #8-1606, #7-51 and #8-55 Pascack Reformed Church and Cemetery Records, Park Ridge, NJ. copied and checked by Herbert S. Ackerman and Arthur J. Goff, privately printed, 1946 p. 82 "John Oscar Demarest July 17, 1847 June 14, 1867 Anna Louisa Demarest Aug 31, 1838 Nov 26, 1874 Euphemia W. Demarest wife of James Demarest Jr. age 21-10-17 days May 5, 1863 Anna Louisa Sullivan wife of John T. Demarest 42-2-1 days May 17, 1856" Anna Louisa Sullivan Demarest's death was not reported in Washington Township Register of Births Marriages and Deaths. I also checked Genealogy Bank and no newspapers reported her death. Although his wife died in 1856 - obviously he did not loose 9 children on the same day or they too would have been buried in Pasack Cem. and his three children survived their mother. Perhaps the tragedy referred to was the loss of his wife and two children and the commitment of a third child during is pastorship at Pascack. According to the Demarest Genealogy #7-1027 (1625): John Terhune Demarest son of Samuel S. Demarest and Annatie Terheune was b. 20 Feb 1813 and bap. at S. Schraalenburgh RD Church (Bergenfield) 14 Mar 1813. He d. 30 June 1897 at New Brunswick NJ. He married 1) 9 Nov 1837 New Brunswick, Anna Louisa Sullivan b. 16 Mar 1816 and d. 17 May 1856; bur. Pascack RD Churchyard. He married second, 9 Jun 1857 at Clarkstown, NY Jane elizabeth Polhemus, b. 30 Nov 1829 and d. 19 Nov 1897 in Nyack, NY dau. of Dr. John Polhemus, M.D. and Elizabeth Earle Outwater, bur. Pine Bush, NY. He was a Dutch Reformed minister who served in Pine Bush NY, Minisink NY, Pascack NJ, principal of Harrisburgh Academey 1852 -54; D.D. [Doctor of Divinity] conferred om 1857 by Rutgers Col. Children of John Terhune Demarest and Anna Louise Sullivan 8-1604 Anna Louisa - b. Aug 1838 Pine Bush, NY; d. 8 Nov 1874 bur. Pascack. 8-1605 Euphemia W. - b. 18 June bap. 8 Aug 1841 New Prospect (Pine bush) NY. d. 5 May 1863, bur. Pascack; m. Rev. James Demarest (Demarest # 7-51) 8-1606 John Oscar - b. 17 Jul bap. 18 Sep 1847 New Prospect (Pine Bush) NY; d. 14 June 1867 bur. Pascack, with mother. 1850 Census taken 12 Sep 1850 (as of 1 June 1850) Montague Twp., Sussex co., NJ dwelling 699 family 717: Rev. John T. Demarest, age 37, Dutch R. Clergy had a wife, Sullavan Demarest, age 36, (both born NJ) and three children: Allen L (sic)[should b Anna Loisa] female age 12, Euphema 9,(both attended school) and John O. 3 (all b. NY). 1860 Census taken 16 Jul 1860 (as of 1 June 1860) Twp. of Washington, Bergen Co., NJ Hohokus post office, page No. 49 and 50, p.709 (penned) dwelling 355 family 409: Rev. John T. Demarest 47. clergyman D.R. (b. NJ) not real estate, but $300 in personal estate, Jane E. 40 wife (b. NY), Euphemia 17 young lady (b. NJ) (idiotic) Danl Matania 30, laborer b. NJ, John O. Demarest 12 (b. NY) and *Hester Demarest 19, (black) servant, (b. NJ) 1860 Census taken 27 Aug 1860 as of 1 June 1860 Ewing Twp., Mercer Co., NJ; p.703 (penned), line 17, Anna Demarest age 22 female inmate of State Lunatic Asylum, b. NJ, insane 1870 Census taken 31 Aug 1870 as of 1 June 1870 Ewing Twp., Mercer Co., NJ; p.54, line 13, Annie Demarest age 33 b. NJ insane [Name of institution not given, though several hundred insane people and more than a 100, physicians, attendants and other workers listed.] 1870 Census taken 16 Aug 1870 as of 1 June 1870 Town of Crawford, Orange Co., NY, Walden post office p.325 (stamped), family and dwelling #15: John Demarest 57 clergyman, Jennie 50 keeps house, Effie 7, at school. [very likely their grandau. Eupehmia dau. of Rev. James Demarest and their daughter Euphemia Demarest] *Hester Bennett 18, (black) domestic (could not read or write) Ditto marks under b. NY for all. 1880 Census taken 4 June 1880, (as of 1 June 1880) Shawangunk, Ulster co., NY, p.4D, e.d.157, dwelling #32 family #38 John T. Demarest 67 (b. NJ; parents b. NJ) ministry, Jane E. 60 (b. NY; parents b. NY) wife, *Hester Bennet 46 (b. NJ parents b. NJ) (black) servant. *Hester Demarest 18 in 1860, Hester Bennet 18 in 1870 and Hester Bennet 46 in 1880 was no doubt the same person. Ree Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 21:46:53 -0400 From: Regina Haring <rmharing@optimum.net> Subject: Re: [NJBERGEN] John T Demarest, wife and nine children murdered? To: njbergen@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <019201c8bf9b$8a659b90$79bcc144@IBM829F496010C> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original I wasn't going to ring in on this one until we had a little more information, but there are a few things that are known at this point which are of interest. Certain it is that the Rev. Demarest only had three children that ever appeared in the census records or church baptismal records. There is absolutely no record of Anna Louise Sullivan Demarest's death or any child's death in the extant Pascack Church records, nor any burial record for any of the family, nor any stone in the graveyard. I seriously doubt that the term "Idiotic" in the 1860 census refers to Euphemia, whose occupation is being a "young lady". It seems possible that there was some mention made in the conversation with the census taker of first daughter Anna Louise, who unfortunately is listed in the 1860 and the 1870 census records as an inmate of the NJ State Asylum in Ewing, labelled "insane". Although the Demarest genealogy says she is buried in Pascack, it also says that she died in 1874. It seems unlikely that she would be buried in Pascack since the family left the Pascack area in 1867 when he gave up the pastorate. Second daughter Euphemia married a Rev. James Demarest, the first pastor at the 2nd Reformed Church in Hackensack. Little Effie, the 7 year old in the 1870 census was Rev. James and Euphemia's child - she never married. Rev. James D's wife Euphemia died in 1863, when the little one was 6 months old, and she was apparently raised by her grandparents, Rev. John T. and his second wife Jane, even though Rev. James eventually married twice more after Euphemia's death. However the second time wasn't until 1872, by which time the grandparents and little Effie undoubtedly had a tight bond. The Demarest genealogy says that the Rev. John's granddaughter Euphemia died single in Middletown in 1920, and I wonder where she was in 1880. It seems highly unlikely that there was any reason for Euphemia to be labelled "Idiotic" (the census does say that!) since she went on to marry a well-educated clergyman, but unfortunately died at age 22. Son John Oscar died of TB in 1867, the last year the family was at Pascack - there is a NYTimes obit for him. A search for newspaper references hasn't so far turned up anything. I have requested a death record for Rev. John T's wife Anna Louisa. I wonder whether anything would be learned from a death record for daughter Anna. The earliest reference to Rev. John T. Demarest is a biography in the History of the Classis of Paramus - this can be read online through Google Books. It was published in 1902, five years after the death of Rev. John. It says: "The parsonage was built without delay. In this home Dr., Demarest was called upon to suffer the greatest sorrows of his life. The remains of his wife and children lie buried in our (Pascack) cemetery." Regina Haring Nanuet, NY http://www.dutchdoorgenealogy.com Maria (Ree) Pratt Hopper compiler of The Hopper Family Genealogy; Descendants of Andries Willemszen Hoppe(n) of New Amsterdam 1651-1658; First Six Generations www.reetree.com Please also visit my larger web site - Ree's Trees