My grandfather, Thomas J. Prime, was mayor of Bergenfield from 1918-1922 and after that he and various family members were deeply involved in Bergen County Democratic and Republican political circles, as well as with the Bergen Record and the Twin-Boro News, among others. My father, TJ's youngest son Stephen Prime, was at Pearl Harbor when it was attacked, which would have been reported in the area papers as well. Does anyone know if the Bergen Record is available to researchers outside the state via Interlibrary Loan? I work for a major daily newspaper in Louisiana, which possible could assist in the process, and would be willing to trade lookup "credits" and time in return for anyone willing to look for stories relating to TJ's term in office and my father in the weeks immediately after Pearl Harbor. I can also supply specific dates to look for other articles. My father's comings and goings in World War II were reported because his brother was a reporter at the paper and later its advertising director. Thanks in advance, John Andrew Prime Shreveport, LA

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Thanks Regina for clearing up that Effie (Euphemia) was the dau. of Rev. James and Euphemia , not Rev. John T. and his second wife. - I also agree that it is unlikely Euphemia was idiotic and it probably referred to her sister. Anna. or the laborer on the next line. However, Louisa and her three children were bur. at Pascack per Ackerman and Goff: I Noticed that my footnotes did not come through. So here they are: Demarest, Voorhis D. (1964), The Demarest Family. Vol. 1 #7-1027, #8-1604, #8-1605, #8-1606, #7-51 and #8-55 Pascack Reformed Church and Cemetery Records, Park Ridge, NJ. copied and checked by Herbert S. Ackerman and Arthur J. Goff, privately printed, 1946 p. 82 "John Oscar Demarest July 17, 1847 June 14, 1867 Anna Louisa Demarest Aug 31, 1838 Nov 26, 1874 Euphemia W. Demarest wife of James Demarest Jr. age 21-10-17 days May 5, 1863 Anna Louisa Sullivan wife of John T. Demarest 42-2-1 days May 17, 1856" Anna Louisa Sullivan Demarest's death was not reported in Washington Township Register of Births Marriages and Deaths. I also checked Genealogy Bank and no newspapers reported her death. Although his wife died in 1856 - obviously he did not loose 9 children on the same day or they too would have been buried in Pasack Cem. and his three children survived their mother. Perhaps the tragedy referred to was the loss of his wife and two children and the commitment of a third child during is pastorship at Pascack. According to the Demarest Genealogy #7-1027 (1625): John Terhune Demarest son of Samuel S. Demarest and Annatie Terheune was b. 20 Feb 1813 and bap. at S. Schraalenburgh RD Church (Bergenfield) 14 Mar 1813. He d. 30 June 1897 at New Brunswick NJ. He married 1) 9 Nov 1837 New Brunswick, Anna Louisa Sullivan b. 16 Mar 1816 and d. 17 May 1856; bur. Pascack RD Churchyard. He married second, 9 Jun 1857 at Clarkstown, NY Jane elizabeth Polhemus, b. 30 Nov 1829 and d. 19 Nov 1897 in Nyack, NY dau. of Dr. John Polhemus, M.D. and Elizabeth Earle Outwater, bur. Pine Bush, NY. He was a Dutch Reformed minister who served in Pine Bush NY, Minisink NY, Pascack NJ, principal of Harrisburgh Academey 1852 -54; D.D. [Doctor of Divinity] conferred om 1857 by Rutgers Col. Children of John Terhune Demarest and Anna Louise Sullivan 8-1604 Anna Louisa - b. Aug 1838 Pine Bush, NY; d. 8 Nov 1874 bur. Pascack. 8-1605 Euphemia W. - b. 18 June bap. 8 Aug 1841 New Prospect (Pine bush) NY. d. 5 May 1863, bur. Pascack; m. Rev. James Demarest (Demarest # 7-51) 8-1606 John Oscar - b. 17 Jul bap. 18 Sep 1847 New Prospect (Pine Bush) NY; d. 14 June 1867 bur. Pascack, with mother. 1850 Census taken 12 Sep 1850 (as of 1 June 1850) Montague Twp., Sussex co., NJ dwelling 699 family 717: Rev. John T. Demarest, age 37, Dutch R. Clergy had a wife, Sullavan Demarest, age 36, (both born NJ) and three children: Allen L (sic)[should b Anna Loisa] female age 12, Euphema 9,(both attended school) and John O. 3 (all b. NY). 1860 Census taken 16 Jul 1860 (as of 1 June 1860) Twp. of Washington, Bergen Co., NJ Hohokus post office, page No. 49 and 50, p.709 (penned) dwelling 355 family 409: Rev. John T. Demarest 47. clergyman D.R. (b. NJ) not real estate, but $300 in personal estate, Jane E. 40 wife (b. NY), Euphemia 17 young lady (b. NJ) (idiotic) Danl Matania 30, laborer b. NJ, John O. Demarest 12 (b. NY) and *Hester Demarest 19, (black) servant, (b. NJ) 1860 Census taken 27 Aug 1860 as of 1 June 1860 Ewing Twp., Mercer Co., NJ; p.703 (penned), line 17, Anna Demarest age 22 female inmate of State Lunatic Asylum, b. NJ, insane 1870 Census taken 31 Aug 1870 as of 1 June 1870 Ewing Twp., Mercer Co., NJ; p.54, line 13, Annie Demarest age 33 b. NJ insane [Name of institution not given, though several hundred insane people and more than a 100, physicians, attendants and other workers listed.] 1870 Census taken 16 Aug 1870 as of 1 June 1870 Town of Crawford, Orange Co., NY, Walden post office p.325 (stamped), family and dwelling #15: John Demarest 57 clergyman, Jennie 50 keeps house, Effie 7, at school. [very likely their grandau. Eupehmia dau. of Rev. James Demarest and their daughter Euphemia Demarest] *Hester Bennett 18, (black) domestic (could not read or write) Ditto marks under b. NY for all. 1880 Census taken 4 June 1880, (as of 1 June 1880) Shawangunk, Ulster co., NY, p.4D, e.d.157, dwelling #32 family #38 John T. Demarest 67 (b. NJ; parents b. NJ) ministry, Jane E. 60 (b. NY; parents b. NY) wife, *Hester Bennet 46 (b. NJ parents b. NJ) (black) servant. *Hester Demarest 18 in 1860, Hester Bennet 18 in 1870 and Hester Bennet 46 in 1880 was no doubt the same person. Ree Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 21:46:53 -0400 From: Regina Haring <rmharing@optimum.net> Subject: Re: [NJBERGEN] John T Demarest, wife and nine children murdered? To: njbergen@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <019201c8bf9b$8a659b90$79bcc144@IBM829F496010C> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original I wasn't going to ring in on this one until we had a little more information, but there are a few things that are known at this point which are of interest. Certain it is that the Rev. Demarest only had three children that ever appeared in the census records or church baptismal records. There is absolutely no record of Anna Louise Sullivan Demarest's death or any child's death in the extant Pascack Church records, nor any burial record for any of the family, nor any stone in the graveyard. I seriously doubt that the term "Idiotic" in the 1860 census refers to Euphemia, whose occupation is being a "young lady". It seems possible that there was some mention made in the conversation with the census taker of first daughter Anna Louise, who unfortunately is listed in the 1860 and the 1870 census records as an inmate of the NJ State Asylum in Ewing, labelled "insane". Although the Demarest genealogy says she is buried in Pascack, it also says that she died in 1874. It seems unlikely that she would be buried in Pascack since the family left the Pascack area in 1867 when he gave up the pastorate. Second daughter Euphemia married a Rev. James Demarest, the first pastor at the 2nd Reformed Church in Hackensack. Little Effie, the 7 year old in the 1870 census was Rev. James and Euphemia's child - she never married. Rev. James D's wife Euphemia died in 1863, when the little one was 6 months old, and she was apparently raised by her grandparents, Rev. John T. and his second wife Jane, even though Rev. James eventually married twice more after Euphemia's death. However the second time wasn't until 1872, by which time the grandparents and little Effie undoubtedly had a tight bond. The Demarest genealogy says that the Rev. John's granddaughter Euphemia died single in Middletown in 1920, and I wonder where she was in 1880. It seems highly unlikely that there was any reason for Euphemia to be labelled "Idiotic" (the census does say that!) since she went on to marry a well-educated clergyman, but unfortunately died at age 22. Son John Oscar died of TB in 1867, the last year the family was at Pascack - there is a NYTimes obit for him. A search for newspaper references hasn't so far turned up anything. I have requested a death record for Rev. John T's wife Anna Louisa. I wonder whether anything would be learned from a death record for daughter Anna. The earliest reference to Rev. John T. Demarest is a biography in the History of the Classis of Paramus - this can be read online through Google Books. It was published in 1902, five years after the death of Rev. John. It says: "The parsonage was built without delay. In this home Dr., Demarest was called upon to suffer the greatest sorrows of his life. The remains of his wife and children lie buried in our (Pascack) cemetery." Regina Haring Nanuet, NY http://www.dutchdoorgenealogy.com Maria (Ree) Pratt Hopper compiler of The Hopper Family Genealogy; Descendants of Andries Willemszen Hoppe(n) of New Amsterdam 1651-1658; First Six Generations www.reetree.com Please also visit my larger web site - Ree's Trees

from ajullman@aol.com? Judy Ullman I just loaded these families to my website at rootsweb The following Hawkins families were related to VanSaun family from NJ Sarah A. VanSaun married ? Hawkins after 1870 and had 3 children.? ? Hawkins died before 1880 census.? Does anyone have any info on ?.? In the 1870 census there are several Hawkins males correct? age.? See census below 1850 US, OH, Clermont, Union, p 959, Roll 667, dwelling 2924, family 2947, Benjamin Courter age 34 a farmer with $350 b NJ, Christiana age 33 b NJ, (maiden name VanSaun) Sarah I. or J. age 12 b NJ, Mary Age 3, b NJ, Harvey Sutton age 24, Merchant b OH, William Cord age 23, blacksmith b OH, Richard Munnell age 21 a clerk. They are living next to Henry Hopper age 56 a farmer with $5000 b NJ, Margaret (maiden name VanSaun) age 43, b NJ, Garret age 24 a farmer b NJ, Mary age 19 b OH, Ellen age 3 b OH, Rebecca A. Garret age 26 b OH, Isaac VanSaun age 21 a laborer b NJ, William Potter age 12 b OH. 1860 US, OH, Hamilton, Anderson Twsp p 81 Cherry Grove 567-578 Isaac Van Saun 31 farmer $2000, $300 b NJ rest b OH Mary 30 Sarah A. 7 Ellen 5 Willard 2 1870 US, OH, Hamilton, Anderson Twsp, Newton PO 30 Jun 1870 384-374 Isaac VanSaun (listed in index as Vandaun) 40 farmer $4000 $1500 b NJ rest b OH Mary A. 40 Sarah A. 17 sits in house George A. 15 at school Willard 12 works on farm Emma 9 Marietta 6 Isaac B. 3 1880 US, OH Hamilton, Anderson Township, 7 Jun 1880, p38 Isaac VanSaun 50 b NJ farmer Mary 50 b OH parents b Maryland Ellen 15 b OH Berton 13 b OH farm laborer different family Sarah Hawkins 27 b OH Clayton 6 b OH Isaac 6 b OH 1900 US, OH, Hamilton, Anderson, ED 277, sheet 7B 167-182 Burrie Van Saun b ?1866 38 married at 22 farm laborer Margaret 37 1 child 1 alive 167-183 ? VanSaun b Aug 1857 married 22 years b OH farmer Emma F. b Jun 1858 6 children 4 alive Harvey M. b Nov 1883 Stella B. b Jan 1888 Clifford E. b May 1893 Althea b Dec 1891 167-184 Mary A. VanSaun b Apr 1830 widow b OH father b Maryland Mother b OH housekeeper 1900 US, OH, Hamilton, Anderson, ED 218?, sheet 6A 133-134 Sarah Hawkins b Feb 1852 47 3 children 1 alive farmer widow b OH father b NJ mother b OFF 135 Edwin Hawkins b Feb 1876, 23 farm laborer just married Margaret Dec 1878 21 1910 US, OH, Hamilton, Anderson ED 3 p 7, Asbury Road 166-171 Mary A. Van Saun 80 6 children 6 alive b OH, father b Maryland, Mother b VA no occupation Sarah A. Hawkins dgt 58 3 children 1 alive widowed b OH father b NJ mother b OH no occupation 168-170 Isaac B. Van Saun 44 married 22 b OH father b NJ mother b OH truck farmer Mary A. 42 married 22 all b OH Athena 18 b OH 1910 US, OK, Woods, Belle Twsp, ed 269, sheet 3B 64-64 Harry M. VanSaun 26 married 3 years all b OH owns farm Valera 20 1 child 1 alive b OH father b KY mother b OH Willard 2 b OK Belle Reece m/l 50 3 children 3 alive b OH father b PA mother b Maryland 25-25 Willard VanSaun 52 m1 30 years b OH father b NJ mother b OH farmer Emma F. wife 53 4 children 4 alive b OH Clifford 16 farm laborer There is an Emma T. VanSaun d 1 May 1928 in Hamilton County and Willard VanSaun d 2 Jul 1920 in Hamilton County 1920 US, OH, Hamilton, Anderson, ED3, Sheet 8B, 16 & 17 Jan 1920 214-218 Edwin Hawkins 42 all b OH House Carpenter Amelia 41 b OH parents b GERM Thelma dgt 17 all b OH Clayton son 15 George son 11 Sarah L. Mother 68 b OH father b NJ mother b OH above them is Joseph and Isabella Hawkins 65, 63 and brother of Joseph Hezekiah Hawkins 56? (can we assume that this Hawkins family is related to ?) 1920 US, MT, Yellowstone, School Distict 24, ED 180, sheet 3A Yellowstone Trail Road 59-60 Harvey M. VanSaun 36 b OH farmer Bessie B. wife 30 b OH Willard G. son 12 b OK Raymond H. son 8 b MT Bell Reece m/l 56 married b OH 1920 US, OH, Hamilton, Anderson ED 3 Sheet 7B 189-190 Burton VanSaun 52 b OH father b NJ mother b OH truck farmer Mary A. 51 b OH Nancy Hopkins m/l 75 widowed ? ? ? ? ? 1850 US, OH, Clermont, Union, p 959, Roll 667, dwelling 2924, family 2947, Benjamin Courter age 34 a farmer with $350 b NJ, Christiana age 33 b NJ, (maiden name VanSaun) Sarah I. or J. age 12 b NJ, Mary Age 3, b NJ, Harvey Sutton age 24, Merchant b OH, William Cord age 23, blacksmith b OH, Richard Munnell age 21 a clerk. They are living next to Henry Hopper age 56 a farmer with $5000 b NJ, Margaret (maiden name VanSaun) age 43, b NJ, Garret age 24 a farmer b NJ, Mary age 19 b OH, Ellen age 3 b OH, Rebecca A. Garret age 26 b OH, Isaac VanSaun age 21 a laborer b NJ, William Potter age 12 b OH. 1860 US, OH, Hamilton, Anderson Twsp p 81 Cherry Grove 567-578 Isaac Van Saun 31 farmer $2000, $300 b NJ rest b OH Mary 30 Sarah A. 7 Ellen 5 Willard 2 1870 US, OH, Hamilton, Anderson Twsp, Newton PO 30 Jun 1870 384-374 Isaac VanSaun (listed in index as Vandaun) 40 farmer $4000 $1500 b NJ rest b OH Mary A. 40 Sarah A. 17 sits in house George A. 15 at school Willard 12 works on farm Emma 9 Marietta 6 Isaac B. 3 1880 US, OH Hamilton, Anderson Township, 7 Jun 1880, p38 Isaac VanSaun 50 b NJ farmer Mary 50 b OH parents b Maryland Ellen 15 b OH Berton 13 b OH farm laborer different family Sarah Hawkins 27 b OH Clayton 6 b OH Isaac 6 b OH 1900 US, OH, Hamilton, Anderson, ED 277, sheet 7B 167-182 Burrie Van Saun b ?1866 38 married at 22 farm laborer Margaret 37 1 child 1 alive 167-183 ? VanSaun b Aug 1857 married 22 years b OH farmer Emma F. b Jun 1858 6 children 4 alive Harvey M. b Nov 1883 Stella B. b Jan 1888 Clifford E. b May 1893 Althea b Dec 1891 167-184 Mary A. VanSaun b Apr 1830 widow b OH father b Maryland Mother b OH housekeeper 1900 US, OH, Hamilton, Anderson, ED 218?, sheet 6A 133-134 Sarah Hawkins b Feb 1852 47 3 children 1 alive farmer widow b OH father b NJ mother b OFF 135 Edwin Hawkins b Feb 1876, 23 farm laborer just married Margaret Dec 1878 21 1910 US, OH, Hamilton, Anderson ED 3 p 7, Asbury Road 166-171 Mary A. Van Saun 80 6 children 6 alive b OH, father b Maryland, Mother b VA no occupation Sarah A. Hawkins dgt 58 3 children 1 alive widowed b OH father b NJ mother b OH no occupation 168-170 Isaac B. Van Saun 44 married 22 b OH father b NJ mother b OH truck farmer Mary A. 42 married 22 all b OH Athena 18 b OH 1910 US, OK, Woods, Belle Twsp, ed 269, sheet 3B 64-64 Harry M. VanSaun 26 married 3 years all b OH owns farm Valera 20 1 child 1 alive b OH father b KY mother b OH Willard 2 b OK Belle Reece m/l 50 3 children 3 alive b OH father b PA mother b Maryland 25-25 Willard VanSaun 52 m1 30 years b OH father b NJ mother b OH farmer Emma F. wife 53 4 children 4 alive b OH Clifford 16 farm laborer There is an Emma T. VanSaun d 1 May 1928 in Hamilton County and Willard VanSaun d 2 Jul 1920 in Hamilton County 1920 US, OH, Hamilton, Anderson, ED3, Sheet 8B, 16 & 17 Jan 1920 214-218 Edwin Hawkins 42 all b OH House Carpenter Amelia 41 b OH parents b GERM Thelma dgt 17 all b OH Clayton son 15 George son 11 Sarah L. Mother 68 b OH father b NJ mother b OH above them is Joseph and Isabella Hawkins 65, 63 and brother of Joseph Hezekiah Hawkins 56? (can we assume that this Hawkins family is related to ?) 1920 US, MT, Yellowstone, School Distict 24, ED 180, sheet 3A Yellowstone Trail Road 59-60 Harvey M. VanSaun 36 b OH farmer Bessie B. wife 30 b OH Willard G. son 12 b OK Raymond H. son 8 b MT Bell Reece m/l 56 married b OH 1920 US, OH, Hamilton, Anderson ED 3 Sheet 7B 189-190 Burton VanSaun 52 b OH father b NJ mother b OH truck farmer Mary A. 51 b OH Nancy Hopkins m/l 75 widowed ? ? ? ? ?

My original query dated 12 May asked it there was any truth to the story "In 1856, Dr. John T. Demarest, minister of the Pascack Reformed Church, came home to find his wife and nine children brutally murdered." Arlene Goff sent the 1850, 1860, and 1870 census records proving John T Demarest had three children. John Terhune Demarest married (1) Anna Louise Sullivan and they had three children. Anna died 17 May 1856, buried Pascack Churchyard and John married (2) Jane Elizabeth Polhemus 9 June 1857. As of this writing, no proof has been found for any part of the story. I found several records of murders with people connected to the Pascack Church and cemetery in the 'Diary of Lizzie Ann Campbell', pub. in the Archivist, a quarterly publication of the Genealogical Society of Bergen County, NJ. I wonder if this is how the murder story began. Were these murders conflated into a story that grew better with every retelling. 13 Oct 1867. Uncle William and Aunt Caty were murdered with their own axe in their bed, and were not found until Wed morning. 17 Oct 1867. Uncle William and Aunt Caty (Haty) were buried. 18 Oct 1869. Piet Stokems was found murdered in the field. The squire came and chose the jurie and they were in session all the afternoon and then they adjourned until in the morning. Suspicion rests very hard on young Dave Acker. 20 Dec 1869. Mr. Dave Eckerson got his sentence for twenty years to the states prison at hard labor. Justice was swift in those days. In two days, the body was found, jury was seated and sentence pronounced. Regards, Ethel Kay Konight ========================== Original message Subj. John T Demarest, wife and nine children murdered? In a message dated 5/12/2008 ETHEL KK writes: Many moons ago, I went on a tour of the Pascack Reformed Church and Cemetery, located at 65 Pascack Road, Park Ridge, Bergen County, NJ. and during a tour of the cemetery, the guide told a story about the Rev. Demarest coming home in 1856 and finding his wife and nine children murdered. I forgot about this story until last week when this story is repeated in a local paper The Pascack Valley Community Life on 7 May 2008 with quotes by Carl Weil, the church historian. "In 1854, Dr. John T. Demarest became the first full-time minister of the Pascack Reformed Church, Weil says, barely audible. And in 1856, Demarest came home to find his wife and nine children brutally murdered." In a separate article by Carl Weil he writes "In 1857, John Demarest received an Honorary Doctor of Divinity Degree from Rutgers College and remained at Pascack until 1867. He died in New Brunswick, NJ on January 30, 1897 and was buried at New Prospect, NY." _http://www.pascackreformedchurch.org/history/_ (http://www.pascackreformedchurch.org/history/) I checked the Demarest Genealogy and could not find this story mentioned. I phoned Carl Weil, the church historian and he could not answer any of my questions. He did not know the name of the Reverends wife or the names of the murdered children. I mentioned that ten people murdered must have been mentioned in the local newspapers. He said someone checked and did not find the story in the newspaper. Is this a true story? What is the name of his wife? Is there any documentation for any part of this story? Is Dr. John T Demarest listed in the Demarest Genealogy? If he died on 30 Jan 1897 and buried at New Prospect, NY, is there a record of his death? Regards, Ethel Kay Konight **************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4&?NCID=aolfod00030000000002)

I wasn't going to ring in on this one until we had a little more information, but there are a few things that are known at this point which are of interest. Certain it is that the Rev. Demarest only had three children that ever appeared in the census records or church baptismal records. There is absolutely no record of Anna Louise Sullivan Demarest's death or any child's death in the extant Pascack Church records, nor any burial record for any of the family, nor any stone in the graveyard. I seriously doubt that the term "Idiotic" in the 1860 census refers to Euphemia, whose occupation is being a "young lady". It seems possible that there was some mention made in the conversation with the census taker of first daughter Anna Louise, who unfortunately is listed in the 1860 and the 1870 census records as an inmate of the NJ State Asylum in Ewing, labelled "insane". Although the Demarest genealogy says she is buried in Pascack, it also says that she died in 1874. It seems unlikely that she would be buried in Pascack since the family left the Pascack area in 1867 when he gave up the pastorate. Second daughter Euphemia married a Rev. James Demarest, the first pastor at the 2nd Reformed Church in Hackensack. Little Effie, the 7 year old in the 1870 census was Rev. James and Euphemia's child - she never married. Rev. James D's wife Euphemia died in 1863, when the little one was 6 months old, and she was apparently raised by her grandparents, Rev. John T. and his second wife Jane, even though Rev. James eventually married twice more after Euphemia's death. However the second time wasn't until 1872, by which time the grandparents and little Effie undoubtedly had a tight bond. The Demarest genealogy says that the Rev. John's granddaughter Euphemia died single in Middletown in 1920, and I wonder where she was in 1880. It seems highly unlikely that there was any reason for Euphemia to be labelled "Idiotic" (the census does say that!) since she went on to marry a well-educated clergyman, but unfortunately died at age 22. Son John Oscar died of TB in 1867, the last year the family was at Pascack - there is a NYTimes obit for him. A search for newspaper references hasn't so far turned up anything. I have requested a death record for Rev. John T's wife Anna Louisa. I wonder whether anything would be learned from a death record for daughter Anna. The earliest reference to Rev. John T. Demarest is a biography in the History of the Classis of Paramus - this can be read online through Google Books. It was published in 1902, five years after the death of Rev. John. It says: "The parsonage was built without delay. In this home Dr., Demarest was called upon to suffer the greatest sorrows of his life. The remains of his wife and children lie buried in our (Pascack) cemetery." Regina Haring Nanuet, NY http://www.dutchdoorgenealogy.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maria Hopper" <reetree@optonline.net> To: <NJBERGEN-L@rootsweb.com> Cc: "Ethel Konight-SC" <EthelKK@aol.com> Sent: Monday, May 26, 2008 9:01 PM Subject: [NJBERGEN] John T Demarest, wife and nine children murdered? >I agree with Wendy and Ethel, there seems to be no evidence that Rev. > John Terhune Demarest had 9 children - His first wife did die 17 May > 1856 and is bur. at Pascack but her three known children survived her, > and all three are bur. in Pascack. > > According to the Demarest Genealogy #7-1027 (1625): > John Terhune Demarest son of Samuel S. Demarest and Annatie Terheune > was b. 20 Feb 1813 and bap. at S. Schraalenburgh RD Church > (Bergenfield) 14 Mar 1813. He d. 30 June 1897 at New Brunswick NJ. He > married 1) 9 Nov 1837 New Brunswick, Anna Louisa Sullivan b. 16 Mar > 1816 and d. 17 May 1856; bur. Pascack RD Churchyard. He married second, > 9 Jun 1857 at Clarkstown, NY Jane elizabeth Polhemus, b. 30 Nov 1829 > and d. 19 Nov 1897 in Nyack, NY dau. of Dr. John Polhemus, M.D. and > Elizabeth Earle Outwater, bur. Pine Bush, NY. He was a Dutch Reformed > minister who served in Pine Bush NY, Minisink NY, Pascack NJ, principal > of Harrisburgh Academey 1852 -54; D.D. [Doctor of Divinity] conferred > om 1857 by Rutgers Col. > > Children of John Terhune Demarest and Anna Louise Sullivan > > 8-1604 Anna Louisa - b. Aug 1838 Pine Bush, NY; d. 8 Nov 1874 bur. > Pascack. > 8-1605 Euphemia W. - b. 18 June bap. 8 Aug 1841 New Prospect (Pine > bush) NY. > d. 5 May 1863, bur. Pascack; m. Rev. James Demarest (Demarest # 7-51) > 8-1606 John Oscar - b. 17 Jul bap. 18 Sep 1847 New Prospect (Pine > Bush) NY; d. 14 June 1867 bur. Pascack, with mother. > > Children of John Terhune Demarest and Jane E. Polhemus (not listed in > Demarest Genealogy): > > Effie - b. abt. 1863 (7 in 1870) [likely after 5 May 1863 if named for > sister Euphemia]; not found in 1880 census with family possibly > married? > > > 1850 Census taken 12 Sep 1850 (as of 1 June 1850) Montague Twp., Sussex > co., NJ dwelling 699 family 717: > Rev. John T. Demarest, age 37, Dutch R. Clergy had a wife, Sullavan > Demarest, age 36, (both born NJ) and three children: Allen L > (sic)[should b Anna Loisa] female age 12, Euphema 9,(both attended > school) and John O. 3 (all b. NY). > > 1860 Census taken 16 Jul 1860 (as of 1 June 1860) Twp. of Washington, > Bergen Co., NJ Hohokus post office, page No. 49 and 50, p.709 (penned) > dwelling 355 family 409: > Rev. John T. Demarest 47. clergyman D.R. (b. NJ) not real estate, but > $300 in personal estate, Jane E. 40 wife (b. NY), Euphemia 17 young > lady (b. NJ) (idiotic) Danl Matania 30, laborer b. NJ, John O. Demarest > 12 (b. NY) and Hester Demarest 19, (black) servant, (b. NJ) > > 1870 Census taken 16 Aug 1870 as of 1 June 1870 Town of Crawford, > Orange Co., NY, Walden post office p.325 (stamped), family and dwelling > #15: > John Demarest 57 clergyman, Jennie 50 keeps house, Effie 7, at school. > Hester Bennett 18, (black) domestic (could not read or write) Ditto > marks under b. NY for all. > > 1880 Census taken 4 June 1880, (as of 1 June 1880) Shawangunk, Ulster > co., NY, p.4D, e.d.157, dwelling #32 family #38 > John T. Demarest 67 (b. NJ; parents b. NJ) ministry, Jane E. 60 (b. NY; > parents b. NY) wife, Hester Bennet 46 (b. NJ parents b. NJ) (black) > servant. > > Ree > > Maria (Ree) Hopper, CG > > *CG, Certified Genealogist is a service mark of the Board for > Certification of Genealogists, used under license by board certified > genealogists after periodic evaluation, and the board name is > registered in the US Patent & Trademark Office. > Visit www.bcgcertification.org. for more information. > > The Hopper Family Genealogy; Descendants of Andries Willemszen Hoppe(n) > of New Amsterdam 1651-1658; First Six Generations > Visit www.reetree.com for more information. > > > > > > > > From: Wendy Freborg <wfreborg@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [NJBERGEN] John T Demarest, wife and nine children > murdered? > Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 23:10:49 -0700 > References: <c27.37691c05.355a186a@aol.com> > In-Reply-To: <c27.37691c05.355a186a@aol.com> > > I did some research on this and discovered the following: > > On the 1850 Census, John T. Demarest, age 37, had a wife, Sullavan, > age 36, and three children: Allen L (12), Emphema (9) and John C. (3). > > Rev. John T. Demarest married Jane Elizabeth Polhemus on June 9, 1857. > > On the 1860 Census, Rev. John is 47, his wife Jane E. is 40. Euphemia > is 17 and John O. is 12. > > In 1870, John is 57, Jennie is 50 and Effie is 7. > > In between the 1860 and 1870 censuses, Euphemia Demarest married John > Ackerman. She died 18 April 1868 at the age of 26. > > In summary: > 1. The reverend's first wife died between 1850 and 1857. > 2. His eldest child (Allen) is no longer living with the family by > 1860. > 3. Other children may have been born between 1850 and 1860 but > deceased before the 1870 census. (But I do not believe the family > could have produced 8 children during that time). > 4. Effie, age 7 in 1870, is named in memory of her deceased sister. > > The earliest reference to the murder story (that I could find) > appeared in A History of the Classis of Paramus of the Reformed Church > in America, pub 1902, pp. 353-354, published 1902. > > Wendy > > > On May 12, 2008, at 3:02 PM, ETHELKK@aol.com wrote: > > > Many moons ago, I went on a tour of the Pascack Reformed Church and > > Cemetery, located at 65 Pascack Road, Park Ridge, Bergen County, > > NJ. and > > during a > > tour of the cemetery, the guide told a story about the Rev. > > Demarest > > coming > > home in 1856 and finding his wife and nine children murdered. I > > forgot > > about > > this story until last week when this story is repeated in a local > > paper > > The > > Pascack Valley Community Life on 7 May 2008 with quotes by Carl > > Weil, the > > church historian. "In 1854, Dr. John T. Demarest became the first > > full-time > > minister of the Pascack Reformed Church, Weil says, barely > > audible. And in > > 1856, Demarest came home to find his wife and nine children brutally > > murdered." > > > > In a separate article by Carl Weil he writes "In 1857, John Demarest > > received an Honorary Doctor of Divinity Degree from Rutgers College > > and > > remained at > > Pascack until 1867. He died in New Brunswick, NJ on January 30, > > 1897 and > > was > > buried at New Prospect, NY." > _http://www.pascackreformedchurch.org/history/_ > > > > (http://www.pascackreformedchurch.org/history/) > > > > I checked the Demarest Genealogy and could not find this story > > mentioned. > > I > > phoned Carl Weil, the church historian and he could not answer any > > of my > > questions. He did not know the name of the Reverends wife or the > > names of > > the > > murdered children. I mentioned that ten people murdered must have > > been > > mentioned in the local newspapers. He said someone checked and > > did not > > find the > > story in the newspaper. > > > > Is this a true story? What is the name of his wife? Is there any > > documentation for any > > part of this story? Is Dr. John T Demarest listed in the Demarest > > Genealogy? > > If he died on 30 Jan 1897 and buried at New Prospect, NY, is > > there a > > record of his death? > > > > Regards, > > Ethel Kay Konight > > > 66 - Release Date: 5/25/2008 6:49 PM > >

I agree with Wendy and Ethel, there seems to be no evidence that Rev. John Terhune Demarest had 9 children - His first wife did die 17 May 1856 and is bur. at Pascack but her three known children survived her, and all three are bur. in Pascack. According to the Demarest Genealogy #7-1027 (1625): John Terhune Demarest son of Samuel S. Demarest and Annatie Terheune was b. 20 Feb 1813 and bap. at S. Schraalenburgh RD Church (Bergenfield) 14 Mar 1813. He d. 30 June 1897 at New Brunswick NJ. He married 1) 9 Nov 1837 New Brunswick, Anna Louisa Sullivan b. 16 Mar 1816 and d. 17 May 1856; bur. Pascack RD Churchyard. He married second, 9 Jun 1857 at Clarkstown, NY Jane elizabeth Polhemus, b. 30 Nov 1829 and d. 19 Nov 1897 in Nyack, NY dau. of Dr. John Polhemus, M.D. and Elizabeth Earle Outwater, bur. Pine Bush, NY. He was a Dutch Reformed minister who served in Pine Bush NY, Minisink NY, Pascack NJ, principal of Harrisburgh Academey 1852 -54; D.D. [Doctor of Divinity] conferred om 1857 by Rutgers Col. Children of John Terhune Demarest and Anna Louise Sullivan 8-1604 Anna Louisa - b. Aug 1838 Pine Bush, NY; d. 8 Nov 1874 bur. Pascack. 8-1605 Euphemia W. - b. 18 June bap. 8 Aug 1841 New Prospect (Pine bush) NY. d. 5 May 1863, bur. Pascack; m. Rev. James Demarest (Demarest # 7-51) 8-1606 John Oscar - b. 17 Jul bap. 18 Sep 1847 New Prospect (Pine Bush) NY; d. 14 June 1867 bur. Pascack, with mother. Children of John Terhune Demarest and Jane E. Polhemus (not listed in Demarest Genealogy): Effie - b. abt. 1863 (7 in 1870) [likely after 5 May 1863 if named for sister Euphemia]; not found in 1880 census with family possibly married? 1850 Census taken 12 Sep 1850 (as of 1 June 1850) Montague Twp., Sussex co., NJ dwelling 699 family 717: Rev. John T. Demarest, age 37, Dutch R. Clergy had a wife, Sullavan Demarest, age 36, (both born NJ) and three children: Allen L (sic)[should b Anna Loisa] female age 12, Euphema 9,(both attended school) and John O. 3 (all b. NY). 1860 Census taken 16 Jul 1860 (as of 1 June 1860) Twp. of Washington, Bergen Co., NJ Hohokus post office, page No. 49 and 50, p.709 (penned) dwelling 355 family 409: Rev. John T. Demarest 47. clergyman D.R. (b. NJ) not real estate, but $300 in personal estate, Jane E. 40 wife (b. NY), Euphemia 17 young lady (b. NJ) (idiotic) Danl Matania 30, laborer b. NJ, John O. Demarest 12 (b. NY) and Hester Demarest 19, (black) servant, (b. NJ) 1870 Census taken 16 Aug 1870 as of 1 June 1870 Town of Crawford, Orange Co., NY, Walden post office p.325 (stamped), family and dwelling #15: John Demarest 57 clergyman, Jennie 50 keeps house, Effie 7, at school. Hester Bennett 18, (black) domestic (could not read or write) Ditto marks under b. NY for all. 1880 Census taken 4 June 1880, (as of 1 June 1880) Shawangunk, Ulster co., NY, p.4D, e.d.157, dwelling #32 family #38 John T. Demarest 67 (b. NJ; parents b. NJ) ministry, Jane E. 60 (b. NY; parents b. NY) wife, Hester Bennet 46 (b. NJ parents b. NJ) (black) servant. Ree Maria (Ree) Hopper, CG *CG, Certified Genealogist is a service mark of the Board for Certification of Genealogists, used under license by board certified genealogists after periodic evaluation, and the board name is registered in the US Patent & Trademark Office. Visit www.bcgcertification.org. for more information. The Hopper Family Genealogy; Descendants of Andries Willemszen Hoppe(n) of New Amsterdam 1651-1658; First Six Generations Visit www.reetree.com for more information. From: Wendy Freborg <wfreborg@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [NJBERGEN] John T Demarest, wife and nine children murdered? Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 23:10:49 -0700 References: <c27.37691c05.355a186a@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <c27.37691c05.355a186a@aol.com> I did some research on this and discovered the following: On the 1850 Census, John T. Demarest, age 37, had a wife, Sullavan, age 36, and three children: Allen L (12), Emphema (9) and John C. (3). Rev. John T. Demarest married Jane Elizabeth Polhemus on June 9, 1857. On the 1860 Census, Rev. John is 47, his wife Jane E. is 40. Euphemia is 17 and John O. is 12. In 1870, John is 57, Jennie is 50 and Effie is 7. In between the 1860 and 1870 censuses, Euphemia Demarest married John Ackerman. She died 18 April 1868 at the age of 26. In summary: 1. The reverend's first wife died between 1850 and 1857. 2. His eldest child (Allen) is no longer living with the family by 1860. 3. Other children may have been born between 1850 and 1860 but deceased before the 1870 census. (But I do not believe the family could have produced 8 children during that time). 4. Effie, age 7 in 1870, is named in memory of her deceased sister. The earliest reference to the murder story (that I could find) appeared in A History of the Classis of Paramus of the Reformed Church in America, pub 1902, pp. 353-354, published 1902. Wendy On May 12, 2008, at 3:02 PM, ETHELKK@aol.com wrote: > Many moons ago, I went on a tour of the Pascack Reformed Church and > Cemetery, located at 65 Pascack Road, Park Ridge, Bergen County, > NJ. and > during a > tour of the cemetery, the guide told a story about the Rev. > Demarest > coming > home in 1856 and finding his wife and nine children murdered. I > forgot > about > this story until last week when this story is repeated in a local > paper > The > Pascack Valley Community Life on 7 May 2008 with quotes by Carl > Weil, the > church historian. "In 1854, Dr. John T. Demarest became the first > full-time > minister of the Pascack Reformed Church, Weil says, barely > audible. And in > 1856, Demarest came home to find his wife and nine children brutally > murdered." > > In a separate article by Carl Weil he writes "In 1857, John Demarest > received an Honorary Doctor of Divinity Degree from Rutgers College > and > remained at > Pascack until 1867. He died in New Brunswick, NJ on January 30, > 1897 and > was > buried at New Prospect, NY." _http://www.pascackreformedchurch.org/history/_ > > (http://www.pascackreformedchurch.org/history/) > > I checked the Demarest Genealogy and could not find this story > mentioned. > I > phoned Carl Weil, the church historian and he could not answer any > of my > questions. He did not know the name of the Reverends wife or the > names of > the > murdered children. I mentioned that ten people murdered must have > been > mentioned in the local newspapers. He said someone checked and > did not > find the > story in the newspaper. > > Is this a true story? What is the name of his wife? Is there any > documentation for any > part of this story? Is Dr. John T Demarest listed in the Demarest > Genealogy? > If he died on 30 Jan 1897 and buried at New Prospect, NY, is > there a > record of his death? > > Regards, > Ethel Kay Konight > Maria (Ree) Hopper, CG *CG, Certified Genealogist is a service mark of the Board for Certification of Genealogists, used under license by board certified genealogists after periodic evaluation, and the board name is registered in the US Patent & Trademark Office. Visit www.bcgcertification.org. for more information. The Hopper Family Genealogy; Descendants of Andries Willemszen Hoppe(n) of New Amsterdam 1651-1658; First Six Generations Visit www.reetree.com for more information.

Dear Roots Searcher, Well, I enjoyed reading your list of names of people I'm probably related to at least here and there. But without a VanBuskirk in the group, I'm not much help. Any information on Thomas VanBusirk (son of Laurens VanBuskirk and Jennetje Jans), or his son Michael VB, or his son Isaac VB (fought in the Revolution) or his son Issac VB in PA, or his son John Stillwell VanBuskirk in Indiana (my Great Great Grandfather) is always welcome here. Cynthia _doctorcpt@aol.com_ (mailto:doctorcpt@aol.com) In a message dated 5/22/2008 12:44:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ajullman@aol.com writes: Charles R. Courter listed in 1880, 1900, 1910, 1920, 1930 Benjamin Courter and Christina/Christiana Van Saun married 1837 in Bergen County Charles R. Van Gundy listed with Benjamin Courter and Chistina Van Saun in 1860 census and in 1870 census on p 498 and Benjamin and Christiana?on p 501 Christina Van Saun had two siblings that moved to OH, Isaac and Margaret m Hopper and one sibling Albert who stayed in NJ and one sibling Lena Van Saun with no further info See censuses below on these families.? Can anyone add any more information? Benjamin Courter b abt 1816 in NJ, Bergen, son of Aaron Courter and Sophia Ackerman 1830 US Census lists under Aaron Courter living at Franklin, males 2 between ages 15 and 20, 3 between ages 20 and 30, 1 age 50 to 60, females 1 between the age 10 to 15, and 1 age 40 to 50. Neighbors are: Peter Watson, Peter Watson, Jr., Peter Ward, Cornelius VanHorn, John Terhune, James D. Ackerson, Abraham Stevens, Conrad Fisher, Aaron Courter, Lawrence Ackerman, Daniel Youmans, John VanHouten, John W. W. Ackerman, William Degray, Albert Lydecker, Cornelius Ackerman, Simeon Ackerman, Simeon S. VanWinkle. On the 8 Jan 1837 a marriage is listed for a Benjamin and or an Abraham Courter and Christina VanSaun in Bergen County list of marriages, in the Charity Ackerman Diaries, and in the Martha Ann Zabriskie Diary. I have combined name to Benjamin Abraham Courter. The name Benjamin is not a common name in either the Courter or Ackerman families but one of the children of Benjamin's brother, Abraham, was named Benjamin. 1850 US, OH, Clermont, Union, p 959, Roll 667, dwelling 2924, family 2947, Benjamin Courter age 34 a farmer with $350 b NJ, Christiana age 33 b NJ, Sarah I. or J. age 12 b NJ, Mary Age 3, b NJ, Harvey Sutton age 24, Merchant b OH, William Cord age 23, blacksmith b OH, Richard Munnell age 21 a clerk. They are living next to Henry Hopper age 56 a farmer with $5000 b NJ, Margaret (VanSaun) age 43, b NJ, Garret age 24 a farmer b NJ, Mary age 19 b OH, Ellen age 3 b OH, Rebecca A. Garret age 26 b OH, Isaac VanSaun age 21 a laborer b NJ, William Potter age 12 b OH 1850 US, NJ, Bergen, Harrington Township, p 279, 6 Sep 1850 1076-1154 Alber\t Van Saun, 31, farmer, all b NJ, $6000 Christine 28 Margaret 8 John 6 Sarah Ann 4 Margaret Zabriskie 13 1850 US, NJ, Bergen, Harrington Township, p 279, 6 Sep 1850 1076-1154 Alber\t Van Saun, 31, farmer, all b NJ, $6000 Christine 28 Margaret 8 John 6 Sarah Ann 4 Margaret Zabriskie 13 1860 Anderson Twsp, Hamilton County, OH Benjamin Courter age 40 day laborer $50 b NJ, Christiana age 35 b NJ, Sarah age 21 b NJ, Mary age ? b OH, Charles R. Van Gundy age 4 b OH, living by Abraham Hopper and A. Garoe Both Gero and Hopper are Bergen County NJ families 1860 US, OH, Hamilton, Anderson Twsp p 81 Cherry Grove 567-578 Isaac Van Saun 31 farmer $2000, $300 b NJ rest b OH Mary 30 Sarah A. 7 Ellen 5 Willard 2 1870 US, OH, Hamilton, Anderson Twsp., M593, roll 1208 dwelling 328, family 319 Benjamin Courter, 55, journ. carpenter, b NJ Christina, 54, keeping house b NJ Mary A., 22, b OH below them dwelling 326, family 327, Mary Hopper, 50, keeping house, $2000, all b OH Susan, 22 Webb, 1 Caroline, 8 William Welch, farmer, $250 p 498 Charles R. Van Gundy age 15 farm laborer In 1880 we have Benjamin Courter and Christina VanSaun living next to Henry Hopper and Margaret same as the 1850 census. But now we have an added mystery a Charles Courter age 25 and an Alice Courter age 25 in same area. I think Charles Van Gundy changed his name to Charles Courter. 1880 Census Place: Tabasco, Clermont, Ohio Source: FHL Film 1255000 National Archives Film T9-1000 Page 305A Relation Sex Marr Race Age Birthplace Benjamine COURTER Self M M W 65 NJ Occ: Farmer Fa: NJ Mo: NJ Cristina COURTER Wife F M W 64 NJ Occ: Keeping House Fa: NJ Mo: NJ Mollie A. COURTER Dau F S W 32 OH Occ: At Home Fa: NJ Mo: NJ Census Place: Tabasco, Clermont, Ohio Source: FHL Film 1255000 National Archives Film T9-1000 Page 304C Relation Sex Marr Race Age Birthplace Henry B. HOPPER Self M M W 87 NJ Occ: Retired Farmer Fa: NJ Mo: NJ Margaret HOPPER Wife F M W 74 NJ Occ: Keeping House Fa: NJ Mo: NJ Census Place: Tabasco, Clermont, Ohio Source: FHL Film 1255000 National Archives Film T9-1000 Page 305A Relation Sex Marr Race Age Birthplace Chs. COURTER Self M M W 25 OH Occ: Huckster Fa: OH Mo: OH Alice COURTER Wife F M W 26 OH Occ: Keeping House Fa: PA Mo: PA 1880 US, OH Hamilton, Anderson Township, 7 Jun 1880, p38 Isaac VanSaun 50 b NJ farmer Mary 50 b OH parents b Maryland Ellen 15 b OH Berton 13 b OH farm laborer different family and looks like last name is Hankins but hard to read - probably Isaac's daughter Sarah 27 b OH Clayton 6 b OH Isaac 6 b OH 1880 US, OH Hamilton, Anderson Township, 7 Jun 1880, p38 Isaac VanSaun 50 b NJ farmer Mary 50 b OH parents b Maryland Ellen 15 b OH Berton 13 b OH farm laborer different family and looks like last name is Hankins but hard to read - probably Isaac's daughter Sarah 27 b OH Clayton 6 b OH Isaac 6 b OH 1900 US, OH, Clermont, Union Twsp., ED 49, p 8, 21 Jun 1900, Charles Courter, head, b Mar 1856, age 45, m 20 years, b OH, father b OH, mother b NJ, farmer, O-Y-Y-Y-0-F-F-101 Alice, wife, b Nov 1856, 1 child, 1 alive, age 45, m 20 years, b OH, parents b PA Florence E., dgt, b Feb 1881, age 19, single, everyone b OH, teacher (stenographer)-0. 1910 US, OH, Clermont, Pierce Township, 10 May 1910 ED 43 p 736 Charles B/R.. 56, m1 b OH unknown birth father mother b NJ, general farmer, O, F, F, Emily A. 56 b OH, parents b PA 1920 US, OH, Clermont, Union Twsp., South Precinct, 12 Jan 1920, 72, p 8A Tobacco & ? Pike, ?, 64, 70 John Johnson, 50, all b OH, truck farmer Alta wife 37 b OH parents b OH Caroline 74 widowed mother all b OH 63, 71 Charles Courter 64 all b OH Alice 65 b OH parents b PA 1930 US, OH, Clermont, Union Twsp, 13 May 1930 ED 13-20 sheet 17B page 619 OH Pike 421-434 Charles A./R. Courter, 66 married 26, b OH, father b PA, mother b NJ, no occupation, value home $6000 Alice wife 75 b OH parents b PA There is an Isaac Van Saun death certificate in 1939 but that would have made him 110 Judy Courter Ullman ajullman@aol.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NJBERGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4&?NCID=aolfod00030000000002)

Charles R. Courter listed in 1880, 1900, 1910, 1920, 1930 Benjamin Courter and Christina/Christiana Van Saun married 1837 in Bergen County Charles R. Van Gundy listed with Benjamin Courter and Chistina Van Saun in 1860 census and in 1870 census on p 498 and Benjamin and Christiana?on p 501 Christina Van Saun had two siblings that moved to OH, Isaac and Margaret m Hopper and one sibling Albert who stayed in NJ and one sibling Lena Van Saun with no further info See censuses below on these families.? Can anyone add any more information? Benjamin Courter b abt 1816 in NJ, Bergen, son of Aaron Courter and Sophia Ackerman 1830 US Census lists under Aaron Courter living at Franklin, males 2 between ages 15 and 20, 3 between ages 20 and 30, 1 age 50 to 60, females 1 between the age 10 to 15, and 1 age 40 to 50. Neighbors are: Peter Watson, Peter Watson, Jr., Peter Ward, Cornelius VanHorn, John Terhune, James D. Ackerson, Abraham Stevens, Conrad Fisher, Aaron Courter, Lawrence Ackerman, Daniel Youmans, John VanHouten, John W. W. Ackerman, William Degray, Albert Lydecker, Cornelius Ackerman, Simeon Ackerman, Simeon S. VanWinkle. On the 8 Jan 1837 a marriage is listed for a Benjamin and or an Abraham Courter and Christina VanSaun in Bergen County list of marriages, in the Charity Ackerman Diaries, and in the Martha Ann Zabriskie Diary. I have combined name to Benjamin Abraham Courter. The name Benjamin is not a common name in either the Courter or Ackerman families but one of the children of Benjamin's brother, Abraham, was named Benjamin. 1850 US, OH, Clermont, Union, p 959, Roll 667, dwelling 2924, family 2947, Benjamin Courter age 34 a farmer with $350 b NJ, Christiana age 33 b NJ, Sarah I. or J. age 12 b NJ, Mary Age 3, b NJ, Harvey Sutton age 24, Merchant b OH, William Cord age 23, blacksmith b OH, Richard Munnell age 21 a clerk. They are living next to Henry Hopper age 56 a farmer with $5000 b NJ, Margaret (VanSaun) age 43, b NJ, Garret age 24 a farmer b NJ, Mary age 19 b OH, Ellen age 3 b OH, Rebecca A. Garret age 26 b OH, Isaac VanSaun age 21 a laborer b NJ, William Potter age 12 b OH 1850 US, NJ, Bergen, Harrington Township, p 279, 6 Sep 1850 1076-1154 Alber\t Van Saun, 31, farmer, all b NJ, $6000 Christine 28 Margaret 8 John 6 Sarah Ann 4 Margaret Zabriskie 13 1850 US, NJ, Bergen, Harrington Township, p 279, 6 Sep 1850 1076-1154 Alber\t Van Saun, 31, farmer, all b NJ, $6000 Christine 28 Margaret 8 John 6 Sarah Ann 4 Margaret Zabriskie 13 1860 Anderson Twsp, Hamilton County, OH Benjamin Courter age 40 day laborer $50 b NJ, Christiana age 35 b NJ, Sarah age 21 b NJ, Mary age ? b OH, Charles R. Van Gundy age 4 b OH, living by Abraham Hopper and A. Garoe Both Gero and Hopper are Bergen County NJ families 1860 US, OH, Hamilton, Anderson Twsp p 81 Cherry Grove 567-578 Isaac Van Saun 31 farmer $2000, $300 b NJ rest b OH Mary 30 Sarah A. 7 Ellen 5 Willard 2 1870 US, OH, Hamilton, Anderson Twsp., M593, roll 1208 dwelling 328, family 319 Benjamin Courter, 55, journ. carpenter, b NJ Christina, 54, keeping house b NJ Mary A., 22, b OH below them dwelling 326, family 327, Mary Hopper, 50, keeping house, $2000, all b OH Susan, 22 Webb, 1 Caroline, 8 William Welch, farmer, $250 p 498 Charles R. Van Gundy age 15 farm laborer In 1880 we have Benjamin Courter and Christina VanSaun living next to Henry Hopper and Margaret same as the 1850 census. But now we have an added mystery a Charles Courter age 25 and an Alice Courter age 25 in same area. I think Charles Van Gundy changed his name to Charles Courter. 1880 Census Place: Tabasco, Clermont, Ohio Source: FHL Film 1255000 National Archives Film T9-1000 Page 305A Relation Sex Marr Race Age Birthplace Benjamine COURTER Self M M W 65 NJ Occ: Farmer Fa: NJ Mo: NJ Cristina COURTER Wife F M W 64 NJ Occ: Keeping House Fa: NJ Mo: NJ Mollie A. COURTER Dau F S W 32 OH Occ: At Home Fa: NJ Mo: NJ Census Place: Tabasco, Clermont, Ohio Source: FHL Film 1255000 National Archives Film T9-1000 Page 304C Relation Sex Marr Race Age Birthplace Henry B. HOPPER Self M M W 87 NJ Occ: Retired Farmer Fa: NJ Mo: NJ Margaret HOPPER Wife F M W 74 NJ Occ: Keeping House Fa: NJ Mo: NJ Census Place: Tabasco, Clermont, Ohio Source: FHL Film 1255000 National Archives Film T9-1000 Page 305A Relation Sex Marr Race Age Birthplace Chs. COURTER Self M M W 25 OH Occ: Huckster Fa: OH Mo: OH Alice COURTER Wife F M W 26 OH Occ: Keeping House Fa: PA Mo: PA 1880 US, OH Hamilton, Anderson Township, 7 Jun 1880, p38 Isaac VanSaun 50 b NJ farmer Mary 50 b OH parents b Maryland Ellen 15 b OH Berton 13 b OH farm laborer different family and looks like last name is Hankins but hard to read - probably Isaac's daughter Sarah 27 b OH Clayton 6 b OH Isaac 6 b OH 1880 US, OH Hamilton, Anderson Township, 7 Jun 1880, p38 Isaac VanSaun 50 b NJ farmer Mary 50 b OH parents b Maryland Ellen 15 b OH Berton 13 b OH farm laborer different family and looks like last name is Hankins but hard to read - probably Isaac's daughter Sarah 27 b OH Clayton 6 b OH Isaac 6 b OH 1900 US, OH, Clermont, Union Twsp., ED 49, p 8, 21 Jun 1900, Charles Courter, head, b Mar 1856, age 45, m 20 years, b OH, father b OH, mother b NJ, farmer, O-Y-Y-Y-0-F-F-101 Alice, wife, b Nov 1856, 1 child, 1 alive, age 45, m 20 years, b OH, parents b PA Florence E., dgt, b Feb 1881, age 19, single, everyone b OH, teacher (stenographer)-0. 1910 US, OH, Clermont, Pierce Township, 10 May 1910 ED 43 p 736 Charles B/R.. 56, m1 b OH unknown birth father mother b NJ, general farmer, O, F, F, Emily A. 56 b OH, parents b PA 1920 US, OH, Clermont, Union Twsp., South Precinct, 12 Jan 1920, 72, p 8A Tobacco & ? Pike, ?, 64, 70 John Johnson, 50, all b OH, truck farmer Alta wife 37 b OH parents b OH Caroline 74 widowed mother all b OH 63, 71 Charles Courter 64 all b OH Alice 65 b OH parents b PA 1930 US, OH, Clermont, Union Twsp, 13 May 1930 ED 13-20 sheet 17B page 619 OH Pike 421-434 Charles A./R. Courter, 66 married 26, b OH, father b PA, mother b NJ, no occupation, value home $6000 Alice wife 75 b OH parents b PA There is an Isaac Van Saun death certificate in 1939 but that would have made him 110 Judy Courter Ullman ajullman@aol.com

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Could someone Please Do an Obit lookup for Margaret (nee) Wright Peters 1912-1981 Thank You William D Wright

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: NMulavey Surnames: Gerecke Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.newjersey.counties.bergen/3311/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I am tracing the ancestry of my great grandfather Hermann Gerecke, born Brunswick Germany , 12th January 1832. Migrated to Australia from Hamburg, May 1857 aboard the "Peter Godeffroy" He was conscripted into the army and served as a bandsman . This is all we know about his German origins. Should anyone know of the Gerecke family name, especially from Brunswick going back to that time, any information would be appreciated, as it could help me trace his roots. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: @@pj.evans.gen@usa.net Surnames: White, Starr Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.newjersey.counties.bergen/3310/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I have a Peter B White and wife Phebe on my tree, both born in NJ; her obituary says she was born near Paterson. He died in or near Livingston co, NY between 1850 and 1860; she died in Independence, KS in 1889. Five known children: a son (Charles), two daughters (Maria and Jane, order unknown), another son (James), a third daughter (Mary or M. Helen). I find a marriage record in Bergen co, in 1818, for Peter B White and Phebe Starr. This seems early for mine - the records indicate my Phebe was born abt 1805 and Charles was born in 1823 - but I'd like to know more about them. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Judith_62002 Surnames: DuBois, Smith Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.newjersey.counties.bergen/3309/mb.ashx Message Board Post: William DuBois was born on 21 June 1813 in New Jersey. He married Sarah Smith circa 1839 in an unknown county, New Jersey. Sarah Smith was born on 28 Dec. 1814 in New Jersey. William and Sarah moved to Franklin County, Indiana shortly after their marriage. They later moved in 1859 to Henry County, Indiana. They had the following children: * Jennie (Jane) - born 1844 (All children born in Franklin Co. IN) * Henry - born abt. 1846 * Mary - born abt. 1847 * Charles - born in 1848 * Frank - born in 1851 * Alice - born abt. 1852 * Bascam - born abt. 1854 I would like any information about the marriage of William and Sarah (Smith) DuBois, their parents, and their siblings or any information about their lives in New Jersey. I'll be happy to exchange information in return. Many thanks!! Judith Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: cynthialstanton Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.newjersey.counties.bergen/3158.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: The Gladys I am looking for was a half sister to George Lancette, not his wife. His parents were John/Jean and Amanda Lancette. That is all I know about the Lancette side. Cindy Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: lds5555 Surnames: LEWIS, VanDEURSEN Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.newjersey.counties.bergen/3308/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Could anyone please help me find more information about Chief Iaoapogh and town of Iaoapogh, Bergen Co., NJ that existed in the early 1700's (perhaps circa 1731 and a little bit forward). My 6th ggrandparents lived there in 1731 when they were married at the Hackensack RDC. The town changed names several times and is now known as Oakland, Bergen Co., NJ. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: lds5555 Surnames: LEWIS, VanDEURSEN Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.newjersey.counties.bergen/3307/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Could anyone please help me find more information about Chief Iaoapogh and town of Iaoapogh, Bergen Co., NJ that existed in the early 1700's (perhaps circa 1731 and a little bit forward). My 6th ggrandparents lived there in 1731 when they were married at the Hackensack RDC. The town changed names several times and is now known as Oakland, Bergen Co., NJ. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: badenroots Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.newjersey.counties.bergen/3306.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: thank you very much Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.