In a message dated 11/9/2004 12:13:54 AM Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: That is something that you can say really "stinks". Forget about being nice and say it "smells" it really "stinks". Ann, Remember the Liederkranz(sp) cheese too? If father couldn't get limbuger he would get that one. Almost as stinky but not quite. Dot