Hi Norma, Glad to be back with all my NJM friends you oldies and you new comers too. As I told you in a private email, Norma, Holly berries are NOT POISONOUS, at least to my knowledge and some of the research being funded by the Holly Society's Research Committee. While the Research Committee itself does not do active research about the many aspects of holly, it does fund professional researchers. One such project that is now in the review stages for publication is on toxicity of holly. I have personally reviewed the scientific abstract but ethically can not make any comments on its content until it is published. There are many legends and folklore on the use of holly for medicinal purposes and of course Yerba Mate, a tea, from South America comes from a species of Holly and the black drink of our south eastern native Americans comes from Ilex vomitoria, the Yaupon Holly. Having eaten many holly berries on several occasions while the audience gags in disgust during my many talks on holly, I can tell you this that they are so unpalatable that no one would want to eat so many that it would kill. Birds on the other have a different digestive system but are smart enough to know when the berries are more palatable. We see this in different species and cultivars, some are devoured early while others are devoured very late in the winter. It may be a way of mother nature to provide an extended period of nourishment for the birds. Enough for our plant lesson of the day. Regardless just enjoy holly for it's beauty. Remember the Holly Society of America was founded in Millville, NJ; The Holly City USA, the headquarters of HSA and at one point literally thousands of pounds of fresh cut holly was shipped from our beloved garden state. If you want to know more get on the Holly Societies' web page http://www.hollysocam.org/ Have a very Holly Jolly Christmas y'all, Carl ----- Original Message ----- From: "franor" <franor@atmc.net> To: "Carl Suk" <csuk@kih.net> Cc: <NJ-MEMORIES-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 7:59 AM Subject: Re: [NJ-Memories] Re: Norma and recipes > Hi Carl, > I am so glad you are back on Memories. You were missed. I thought sure you > would give us a receipe for soup using vension, we didn't like the rabbit > cake. I brought in my Holly from the yard since you said it was safe for my > Bennie. He eats anything that drops and I had always heard the berries were > poison. > Love ya, > Norma > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Carl Suk <csuk@kih.net> > To: <NJ-MEMORIES-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, December 16, 2002 7:58 PM > Subject: Re: [NJ-Memories] Re: Norma and recipes > > > > Hi y'all, > > > > Summer Savory is Satureja hortensis an annual herb from the med. Often > > seeds sold as Oregano turn out to be this or Sweet Marjorum. > > > > Been lurking around for a while but couldn't help butting in on this one. > > Y'all ought to sit back and read your all messages, it's hilarious. Love > > y'all and glad to be back. > > > > Carl > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: <Tacy413408@aol.com> > > To: <NJ-MEMORIES-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Monday, December 16, 2002 5:23 PM > > Subject: [NJ-Memories] Re: Norma and recipes > > > > > > > Norma, > > > > > > I like herbs and spices, but not hot spices. Just things that add good > > > flavor. > > > > > > A lot of the recipes my mom used were handed down. A couple of days ago > I > > > made vegetable soup with brisket in it. That comes from my > ggrandmother. > > My > > > husband likes his kind of soup with everything but the kitchen sink in > it. > > I > > > like the plain veg and beef flavor. > > > > > > Does anyone remember the stoves with a soup well(?)? The pot fit right > in > > a > > > hole in the stove instead of having the fourth burner. > > > > > > Does anyone know what summer savory is? I think I knew at one time, but > > have > > > forgotten. My grandmother said you could put summer savory or barley in > > to > > > make a more hearty soup. > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > records, > > go to: > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > >

Hi Carl, Glad you are back to answer our questions, and jump in on our fun things. Glad I asked about the Holly. Last year our two hollies had mega berries on them and a flock of stray Grackels came and stripped them. This year they have the berries and our birds don't seem to like them. So far Bennie has not touched them. Are you working on your new post with the Holly Assn. in Millville or is that a summer project? Love ya, Norma ----- Original Message ----- From: Carl Suk <csuk@kih.net> To: franor <franor@atmc.net> Cc: <NJ-MEMORIES-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 10:09 PM Subject: Re: [NJ-Memories] Re: Norma and recipes > Hi Norma, > > Glad to be back with all my NJM friends you oldies and you new comers too. > As I told you in a private email, Norma, Holly berries are NOT POISONOUS, at > least to my knowledge and some of the research being funded by the Holly > Society's Research Committee. While the Research Committee itself does not > do active research about the many aspects of holly, it does fund > professional researchers. One such project that is now in the review stages > for publication is on toxicity of holly. I have personally reviewed the > scientific abstract but ethically can not make any comments on its content > until it is published. There are many legends and folklore on the use of > holly for medicinal purposes and of course Yerba Mate, a tea, from South > America comes from a species of Holly and the black drink of our south > eastern native Americans comes from Ilex vomitoria, the Yaupon Holly. > Having eaten many holly berries on several occasions while the audience gags > in disgust during my many talks on holly, I can tell you this that they are > so unpalatable that no one would want to eat so many that it would kill. > Birds on the other have a different digestive system but are smart enough to > know when the berries are more palatable. We see this in different species > and cultivars, some are devoured early while others are devoured very late > in the winter. It may be a way of mother nature to provide an extended > period of nourishment for the birds. Enough for our plant lesson of the > day. Regardless just enjoy holly for it's beauty. Remember the Holly > Society of America was founded in Millville, NJ; The Holly City USA, the > headquarters of HSA and at one point literally thousands of pounds of fresh > cut holly was shipped from our beloved garden state. If you want to know > more get on the Holly Societies' web page http://www.hollysocam.org/ > > > Have a very Holly Jolly Christmas y'all, > > Carl > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "franor" <franor@atmc.net> > To: "Carl Suk" <csuk@kih.net> > Cc: <NJ-MEMORIES-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 7:59 AM > Subject: Re: [NJ-Memories] Re: Norma and recipes > > > > Hi Carl, > > I am so glad you are back on Memories. You were missed. I thought sure > you > > would give us a receipe for soup using vension, we didn't like the rabbit > > cake. I brought in my Holly from the yard since you said it was safe for > my > > Bennie. He eats anything that drops and I had always heard the berries > were > > poison. > > Love ya, > > Norma > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Carl Suk <csuk@kih.net> > > To: <NJ-MEMORIES-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Monday, December 16, 2002 7:58 PM > > Subject: Re: [NJ-Memories] Re: Norma and recipes > > > > > > > Hi y'all, > > > > > > Summer Savory is Satureja hortensis an annual herb from the med. Often > > > seeds sold as Oregano turn out to be this or Sweet Marjorum. > > > > > > Been lurking around for a while but couldn't help butting in on this > one. > > > Y'all ought to sit back and read your all messages, it's hilarious. > Love > > > y'all and glad to be back. > > > > > > Carl > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: <Tacy413408@aol.com> > > > To: <NJ-MEMORIES-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Monday, December 16, 2002 5:23 PM > > > Subject: [NJ-Memories] Re: Norma and recipes > > > > > > > > > > Norma, > > > > > > > > I like herbs and spices, but not hot spices. Just things that add > good > > > > flavor. > > > > > > > > A lot of the recipes my mom used were handed down. A couple of days > ago > > I > > > > made vegetable soup with brisket in it. That comes from my > > ggrandmother. > > > My > > > > husband likes his kind of soup with everything but the kitchen sink in > > it. > > > I > > > > like the plain veg and beef flavor. > > > > > > > > Does anyone remember the stoves with a soup well(?)? The pot fit right > > in > > > a > > > > hole in the stove instead of having the fourth burner. > > > > > > > > Does anyone know what summer savory is? I think I knew at one time, > but > > > have > > > > forgotten. My grandmother said you could put summer savory or barley > in > > > to > > > > make a more hearty soup. > > > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > > records, > > > go to: > > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > records, > > go to: > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > >

Norma and friends, The holly arboretum in Millville is a work in progress. At present the housing commission and the shade tree commission who are heading up the project are in the throes of acquiring the property in which to build the holly arboretum. Millville is really a dynamic city there is much going on in terms of cultural expansion. Focus is along the river front. So we are in the planning stages, already one grant has been received to help fund the project. Another interesting thing is that if any of y'all have been to Millville you'll notice the vast number of holly trees through out the city. These were all specific named cultivars planted by the late Clarence Wolfe, Dan Fenton and possibly one other gentle man, so I am told. With that in mind we are thinking about developing a historic walking trail through out the city ending at the holly arboretum. If any one out there on NJM wants more information, please contact me privately. As far as fruiting of holly is concerned, much depends on the weather conditions that affects pollination. It seems that weather also plays a very big part in development of the chemical compounds that affect the palatability of the fruit. The studies I mentioned in my previous post will make that clear. Carl ----- Original Message ----- From: "franor" <franor@atmc.net> To: <NJ-MEMORIES-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2002 2:49 PM Subject: Re: [NJ-Memories] Re: Norma and recipes > Hi Carl, > Glad you are back to answer our questions, and jump in on our fun things. > Glad I asked about the Holly. Last year our two hollies had mega berries on > them and a flock of stray Grackels came and stripped them. This year they > have the berries and our birds don't seem to like them. So far Bennie has > not touched them. > Are you working on your new post with the Holly Assn. in Millville or is > that a summer project? > Love ya, > Norma > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Carl Suk <csuk@kih.net> > To: franor <franor@atmc.net> > Cc: <NJ-MEMORIES-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 10:09 PM > Subject: Re: [NJ-Memories] Re: Norma and recipes > > > > Hi Norma, > > > > Glad to be back with all my NJM friends you oldies and you new comers too. > > As I told you in a private email, Norma, Holly berries are NOT POISONOUS, > at > > least to my knowledge and some of the research being funded by the Holly > > Society's Research Committee. While the Research Committee itself does not > > do active research about the many aspects of holly, it does fund > > professional researchers. One such project that is now in the review > stages > > for publication is on toxicity of holly. I have personally reviewed the > > scientific abstract but ethically can not make any comments on its content > > until it is published. There are many legends and folklore on the use of > > holly for medicinal purposes and of course Yerba Mate, a tea, from South > > America comes from a species of Holly and the black drink of our south > > eastern native Americans comes from Ilex vomitoria, the Yaupon Holly. > > Having eaten many holly berries on several occasions while the audience > gags > > in disgust during my many talks on holly, I can tell you this that they > are > > so unpalatable that no one would want to eat so many that it would kill. > > Birds on the other have a different digestive system but are smart enough > to > > know when the berries are more palatable. We see this in different > species > > and cultivars, some are devoured early while others are devoured very late > > in the winter. It may be a way of mother nature to provide an extended > > period of nourishment for the birds. Enough for our plant lesson of the > > day. Regardless just enjoy holly for it's beauty. Remember the Holly > > Society of America was founded in Millville, NJ; The Holly City USA, the > > headquarters of HSA and at one point literally thousands of pounds of > fresh > > cut holly was shipped from our beloved garden state. If you want to know > > more get on the Holly Societies' web page http://www.hollysocam.org/ > > > > > > Have a very Holly Jolly Christmas y'all, > > > > Carl > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "franor" <franor@atmc.net> > > To: "Carl Suk" <csuk@kih.net> > > Cc: <NJ-MEMORIES-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 7:59 AM > > Subject: Re: [NJ-Memories] Re: Norma and recipes > > > > > > > Hi Carl, > > > I am so glad you are back on Memories. You were missed. I thought sure > > you > > > would give us a receipe for soup using vension, we didn't like the > rabbit > > > cake. I brought in my Holly from the yard since you said it was safe > for > > my > > > Bennie. He eats anything that drops and I had always heard the berries > > were > > > poison. > > > Love ya, > > > Norma > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Carl Suk <csuk@kih.net> > > > To: <NJ-MEMORIES-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Monday, December 16, 2002 7:58 PM > > > Subject: Re: [NJ-Memories] Re: Norma and recipes > > > > > > > > > > Hi y'all, > > > > > > > > Summer Savory is Satureja hortensis an annual herb from the med. > Often > > > > seeds sold as Oregano turn out to be this or Sweet Marjorum. > > > > > > > > Been lurking around for a while but couldn't help butting in on this > > one. > > > > Y'all ought to sit back and read your all messages, it's hilarious. > > Love > > > > y'all and glad to be back. > > > > > > > > Carl > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: <Tacy413408@aol.com> > > > > To: <NJ-MEMORIES-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > Sent: Monday, December 16, 2002 5:23 PM > > > > Subject: [NJ-Memories] Re: Norma and recipes > > > > > > > > > > > > > Norma, > > > > > > > > > > I like herbs and spices, but not hot spices. Just things that add > > good > > > > > flavor. > > > > > > > > > > A lot of the recipes my mom used were handed down. A couple of days > > ago > > > I > > > > > made vegetable soup with brisket in it. That comes from my > > > ggrandmother. > > > > My > > > > > husband likes his kind of soup with everything but the kitchen sink > in > > > it. > > > > I > > > > > like the plain veg and beef flavor. > > > > > > > > > > Does anyone remember the stoves with a soup well(?)? The pot fit > right > > > in > > > > a > > > > > hole in the stove instead of having the fourth burner. > > > > > > > > > > Does anyone know what summer savory is? I think I knew at one time, > > but > > > > have > > > > > forgotten. My grandmother said you could put summer savory or > barley > > in > > > > to > > > > > make a more hearty soup. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > > > records, > > > > go to: > > > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > > records, > > > go to: > > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >