Thanks for the wonderful history of Pizza, I'm a history buff and really enjoyed it as I am sure all the listers did. Thanks again, Faith Ann

Hey Jack, The Muskrat Dinner is where Tom and I should go to eat with you and Dona for our Spring get -together!That would be quite a "Down Jersey" experience! If they get enough rats this year get us tickets before they sell out. :-) Jerilyn > Oh, > Jack, it is called Swamp Rabbit. this sounds better. > Robin > > > > -------Original Message------- > > From: Jack Allen > Date: 01/27/04 20:28:45 > To: [email protected]; [email protected] > Subject: Re: [NJ-Memories] Muskrat > > > Robin. > > It's all dark meat and non-greasy. Parboil it with onions and then did in > flour and fry. It is extremely good. I've eaten it for years. Since you are > from Salem County, do you know where Lower Alloways Creek is? My daughter > teachs there and their mascot is the muskrat. Every year over there they > have a muskrat dinner and it's conctantly sold out. Unfortunately this year > there wern't enough rats so they didn't have the dnner. > > -------Original Message------- > > From: Robin M. Stinson > Date: 1/27/2004 7:12:58 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [NJ-Memories] Muskrat > > Hi, > Lately I have heard my mom speak of her mom or my grandmom frying up > Muskrat (swamp rabbit). Has anyone on our site here tried it? The story > goes that my gr-gr. grandmom used to fix it for people but would not eat it > herself. Remember I am from Salem County (which is surrounded with swamp) > so this may just be a local thing. In my Salem County Cookbook I found a > recipe for it but it is entitled: "Muskrat a la Maryland" > > Love, > Robin > > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >

Hello All, How is everyone doing? Weather wise, well what else is new we went to -20 windchill about a week ago to snow snow and more snow this week. At least we're having a heatwave and the temp is up up in the 20's LOL. Just drove home from work and the plows are useless. Piles of snow all over the roads but it's a soft snow and no ice thank goodness. We have about 6 inches now with more coming over night. If I book one more reservation for someone to Florida or Hawaii I'm going to cry but I just keep thinking spring is on it's way and rotten January is almost over. Take care everyone and drive safe if your up north here with me. As for you southern guys I don't want to hear a single word about the sun shining and walking around in your shorts. Love ya..................Ellen

Oh, Jack, it is called Swamp Rabbit. this sounds better. Robin -------Original Message------- From: Jack Allen Date: 01/27/04 20:28:45 To: [email protected]; [email protected] Subject: Re: [NJ-Memories] Muskrat Robin. It's all dark meat and non-greasy. Parboil it with onions and then did in flour and fry. It is extremely good. I've eaten it for years. Since you are from Salem County, do you know where Lower Alloways Creek is? My daughter teachs there and their mascot is the muskrat. Every year over there they have a muskrat dinner and it's conctantly sold out. Unfortunately this year there wern't enough rats so they didn't have the dnner. -------Original Message------- From: Robin M. Stinson Date: 1/27/2004 7:12:58 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [NJ-Memories] Muskrat Hi, Lately I have heard my mom speak of her mom or my grandmom frying up Muskrat (swamp rabbit). Has anyone on our site here tried it? The story goes that my gr-gr. grandmom used to fix it for people but would not eat it herself. Remember I am from Salem County (which is surrounded with swamp) so this may just be a local thing. In my Salem County Cookbook I found a recipe for it but it is entitled: "Muskrat a la Maryland" Love, Robin ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

Hi, I just forgot that. What grade does she teach? My dad did not mention this. Have you heard of Quinton? My dad say's they have this every year as well. Where do you live now? I can't remember. Take Care, Robin -------Original Message------- From: Jack Allen Date: 01/27/04 20:28:45 To: [email protected]; [email protected] Subject: Re: [NJ-Memories] Muskrat Robin. It's all dark meat and non-greasy. Parboil it with onions and then did in flour and fry. It is extremely good. I've eaten it for years. Since you are from Salem County, do you know where Lower Alloways Creek is? My daughter teachs there and their mascot is the muskrat. Every year over there they have a muskrat dinner and it's conctantly sold out. Unfortunately this year there wern't enough rats so they didn't have the dnner. -------Original Message------- From: Robin M. Stinson Date: 1/27/2004 7:12:58 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [NJ-Memories] Muskrat Hi, Lately I have heard my mom speak of her mom or my grandmom frying up Muskrat (swamp rabbit). Has anyone on our site here tried it? The story goes that my gr-gr. grandmom used to fix it for people but would not eat it herself. Remember I am from Salem County (which is surrounded with swamp) so this may just be a local thing. In my Salem County Cookbook I found a recipe for it but it is entitled: "Muskrat a la Maryland" Love, Robin ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

Hi, Lately I have heard my mom speak of her mom or my grandmom frying up Muskrat (swamp rabbit). Has anyone on our site here tried it? The story goes that my gr-gr. grandmom used to fix it for people but would not eat it herself. Remember I am from Salem County (which is surrounded with swamp) so this may just be a local thing. In my Salem County Cookbook I found a recipe for it but it is entitled: "Muskrat a la Maryland" Love, Robin

Thanks for the history and culinary lesson, Annandale Frank.It was great! And by the way ,glad you came out of lurking,too.Have missed your input. Jerilyn

In a message dated 1/26/2004 5:01:36 PM Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: What you re describing is a basic pizza isn't it? I realize some people called it by that name, but someone on this list said a tomato ie was made with green tomatoes. That's the recipe I'm looking for. Got one? Tomato pie = pizza - it's a simple variation of REAL pizza - not like those abominations like deep dish, or Chicago style, or worse (gag) California pizza. - the only pizza worse than those three is the pizza made in Japan - but they at least have an excuse. Back around WW II, my father's friend converted his Italian bakery shop in Newark into a restaurant and pizza shop. Sometime after the war my father started helping out in the pizza kitchen on weekends. Anyway, in '46 or '47, my father took me to the shop to spend some time in the pizza kitchen with him and the chef. It was the beginning to my fascination with pizza. Pizza means pitta - like in pita bread. It is a Middle Eastern flatbread. Before the Roman Empire existed, the Greeks developed a port city that eventually became known as Naples. Along with the Greeks came Phoenician traders and Hebrew traders bringing pitta with them. The way they would eat it, they would sprinkle olive oil on the pitta, some cheese and bits of fish or vegetables. Remember this was 1000 years before the first tomato arrived in Europe. Over time, the word pitta became pizza. If you listen to a real Italian say the word, it's not "pete's uh" its pronounced more like "pitz-suh". It was only made in and around Naples. Naples also had the good fortune of being the birthplace of mozzarella. Around the time of Columbus, some monks nearby invented it using buffalo milk -- that's water buffalo, not the kind we have here. Mozzarella became the perfect cheese to use on pizza. In 1889, Rafael Esposito, a chef in Naples was asked to make a special pizza for the visiting king of Italy and his Queen Margharita. He racked his brain and then came up with the idea of a pizza with toppings that would be the colors of the Italian flag - red, white and green. The white and green were easy, mozzarella and basil sprigs. For the red he decided to try slices of tomatoes - a new vegetable just introduced into Italy. He called it La Pizza Margarita. It was an instant hit and pizza with tomatoes (or pizza con pomodoro) it became one of the last big things immigrants from the Naples area remembered about their homeland when they arrived in the U.S. They tried to duplicated it here, but it was impossible to get mozzarella - no buffalo milk. And even today, buffalo mozzarella doesn't last more than a few days after it's made. But in New Jersey we had lots of tomatoes! When DeLorenzo's opened in Trenton in 1927 - it was maybe the third pizzeria in the U.S. after New Haven and NYC, yup, New Haven has the first - they used a lot more tomatoes than in Naples. And gave it the closest English name they could come up with - tomato pie. Tomato pies have chunky sauce on them - more like diced and semi-crushed tomatoes - rather than the slices of tomatoes on the Naples original. And the original tomato pizza had slices of mozzarella on them, not ground-up stuff like most of today's pizza. And I know this is true because my father heard pizza stories from his father who was around Naples when Chef Esposito revolutionized pizza. Wow - that's long, I could go for a slice of la pizza Margarita right now! Regards, Annandale Frank

Until Carl replies, I can tell you that here on the lovely shores of Lake Herrington (south of Lexington, north of Danville) we've had a full day of snow and sunshine -- often at the same time!! Really pretty, and no problem with accumulation on the roads. Kathryn Jensen

It's been flurrying here all day too, just a dusting on the ground so far nothing to worry about the roads are clear, just got back from the store. Sunshine of and on just like Kathyrn says. Herrington Lake is pretty in fact I almost bought property there before I found this place on Nolin. Now I'm predujudiced of course LOL. Kathryn since you live so close we'll have to get together this summer. Carl ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 4:38 PM Subject: [NJ-Memories] Re: NJ-MEMORIES-D Digest V04 #18 > Until Carl replies, I can tell you that here on the lovely shores of Lake > Herrington (south of Lexington, north of Danville) we've had a full day of snow > and sunshine -- often at the same time!! Really pretty, and no problem with > accumulation on the roads. > > Kathryn Jensen > > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > >

Are we talking about a Mock Mince Meat Pie the Pa. Dutch made? Its made with Green Tomatoes instead of Meat. Tastes a lot like Mince Meat Pie with all the spices. Norma ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 7:17 AM Subject: [NJ-Memories] Jack Allen > You asked about the Green Tomato pie recipe - I was the one who said my > friends who lived in Hanover, Pa ate Green Tomato pies - don't know how they are > made but if I search a recipe site I may find one ---------Marie G > > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >

DO YOU REMEMBER WHEN...? All the girls had ugly gym uniforms? It took five minutes for the TV warm up? Nearly everyone's Mom was at home when the kids got home from school? Nobody owned a purebred dog? t When a quarter was a decent allowance? You'd reach into a muddy gutter for a penny? Your Mom wore nylons that came in two pieces? All your male teachers wore neckties and female teachers had their hair done every day and wore high heels? You got your windshield cleaned, oil checked, and gas pumped, without asking, all for free, every time? And you didn't pay for air? And, you got trading stamps to boot? Laundry detergent had free glasses, dishes or towels hidden inside the box? It was considered a great privilege to be taken out to dinner at a real restaurant with your parents? They threatened to keep kids back a grade if they failed. . ..and they did? When a 57 Chevy was everyone's dream car...to cruise, peel out, lay rubber or watch submarine races, and people went steady? No one ever asked where the car keys were because they were always in the car, in the ignition, and the doors were never locked? Lying on your back in the grass with your friends and saying things like, "That cloud looks like a ..." t and playing baseball with no adults to help kids with the rules of the game? Stuff from the store came without safety caps and hermetic seals because no one had yet tried to poison a perfect stranger? And with all our progress, don't you just wish, just once, you could slip back in time and savor the slower pace, and share it with the children of today? When being sent to the principal's office was nothing compared to the fate that awaited the student at home? Basically we were in fear for our lives, but it wasn't because of drive-by shootings, drugs, gangs, etc. Our parents and grandparents were a much bigger threat! But we survived because their love was greater than the threat. Send this on to someone who can still remember Nancy Drew, the Hardy Boys, Laurel and Hardy, Howdy Dowdy and the Peanut Gallery, the Lone Ranger, The Shadow Knows, Nellie Bell, Roy and Dale, Trigger and Buttermilk. As well as summers filled with bike rides, baseball games, Hula Hoops, bowling and visits to the pool, and eating Kool-Aid powder with sugar. Didn't that feel good, just to go back and say, "Yeah, I remember that"? I am sharing this with you today because it ended with a double dog dare to pass it on. : 313 - Release Date: 9/1/2003 This email was cleaned by emailStripper, available for free from http://www.papercut.biz/emailStripper.htm

Please Enjoy. Love, Robin WINTER IN THE COUNTRY When the winter days are with us, Fond remembrance beckons me Where the snowy, glistening landscape Stretches far as eye can see, And the frosty air with crimson Sets the youthful cheek aglow--- It’s a flame that burns the brighter Against the whiteness of the snow. I can hear the merry voices Of the coasters on the hill, And the loud and lusty shouting When some boaster takes a spill. There is a skating on the millpond Where we found a keen delight Gliding in and out the circle Of the bonfire’s leaping light. There’s a mighty snowbank rising High beside the smokehouse door, Where we dug a robber’s cavern To secrete our smuggled store; In my fancy comes the jingle Of the sleighbells’ merry chime. . . . Sweet was boyhood in the country In the days of wintertime. By: B.L. Bruce IDEALS 1954

When I saw the weather map last nite and scenes from the area of SC,NC, and Kentucky ------I was thinking of Carl - hope his power is not out -----Marie G

You asked about the Green Tomato pie recipe - I was the one who said my friends who lived in Hanover, Pa ate Green Tomato pies - don't know how they are made but if I search a recipe site I may find one ---------Marie G

Robin - You can buy dough from bakery especially an Italian bakery - stretch an roll it to fit into pizza pan - topping is canned whole or crushed tomatoes -if you use whole tomatoes you may want to crush them - some olive oil on the top with oregano - top with slices of mozzerella cheese ------how long to bake I can't remember - now this is how my husband made tomato pies for my Canasta club when I was hosting at my house - he didn't use a recipe -but I will try to go on a recipe site to find out - Marie G

Pat, You're too young, ask your Mother I bet she remembers. We only went one time to watch Paul Barbishe from Flemington race. Les Farley was racing that day too. I understand they tore the track down and built a shopping center. Mamie is young too but maybe she heard of it. Still 28 here and lots of ice, can't believe it. Norma ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, January 26, 2004 10:36 PM Subject: [NJ-Memories] Re: NJ Racetracks > Norma, > > I must be having a memory lapse, because I don't remember a track in Dover. > I am with you on Langhorne and Flemington. You said there was one in Harmony. > I am drawing a blank on Dover, but it may be a senior moment. LOL They > have the drag strip in Great Meadows, also. We always referred to that as over > in the muck(mucklands). > > Pat > > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >

-------Original Message------- From: [email protected] Date: 01/26/04 19:15:37 To: [email protected]; [email protected] Subject: Re: [NJ-Memories] Tomato Pie Dot. I know exactly what you mean. When I first got to Arizona I went into a Subway and ordered a sub. The lady asked me if I wanted mustard on it and of course I declined. Then she asked me if I wanted peppers. I said yes and when I saw her take a long green slimey pepper from a tray, I told her to forget it and walked out. Jack, Never heard of one made with green tomatoes. But that's not so say there isn t one. We went to a restaurant in Florida. Husband ordered a pizza (I forget the name but he had ordered that in PA and liked it) and it came with a crust on top of which were slices of plum tomatoes and a few dots of cheese. From the look on his face, the waiter knew what was wrong. He said "Would you like some tomato sauce for that?" So he put the sauce on and you may as well say there was no cheese. No more experiments for him. LOL Dot 000---Outgoing email scanned by Norton Antivirus---000

Norma, I must be having a memory lapse, because I don't remember a track in Dover. I am with you on Langhorne and Flemington. You said there was one in Harmony. I am drawing a blank on Dover, but it may be a senior moment. LOL They have the drag strip in Great Meadows, also. We always referred to that as over in the muck(mucklands). Pat

Hi Y'all, We had about a 1/2 of ice yesterday, then a warm rain which melted everything this is the first Ice storm since I moved here that we didn't lose electricity, I guess when the tornado went through two years ago the lines were braced up pretty good. The temps went up to 61 today from a low of 18 yesterday (that's Kentucky weather for you) now tonight it's supposed to go below freezing and we're expecting snow tomorrow. Go figure, but I have plenty of wood stacked so I'll be warm, beside if I can get Nanook in the house he's a good bed warmer LOL. Y'all take care Carl ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robin M. Stinson" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, January 26, 2004 8:56 PM Subject: [NJ-Memories] How about Carl > Hi everyone, > I think Carl is getting a lot of ice. I watched the weather channel > and they mentioned Kentucky. > Carl---what kind of weather are you getting? > > Robin > > > > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > >