I am glad to hear there is responsiveness here. But I still have lots of questions -- as I have said before, research does not mean submitting a request for a copy of a document you already know about. Research means viewing many records and indices, in order to put two and two together, see patterns, decide how the pieces fit together. It may mean looking at all the Browns in a county for a 30 year time-frame, for example. Once you have reached the point of knowing who to request a certificate for, much research has been completed. Research and documentation are two different steps for genealogists, although they may overlap. If Joan Quigley is saying that researchers can submit a request to do research in the records (which I assume could translate into what we do now at the Archives, filling out multiple registrations, in the lobby and upstairs in the research room and getting a card) that is great. If she is meaning that each certificate must be requested, that will pretty much preclude "research". Also, most states put some sort of time-frame on each type of record, before which they are "open". She doesn't mention anything about that. Holly East Bangor, PA (just over the river -- almost NJ!) > > -----Original Message----- > > From: GmDjones51@aol.com [mailto:GmDjones51@aol.com] > > Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 9:03 AM > > To: jmlowry@earthlink.net > > Subject: Assemblywoman Quigley's reply > > > > > > > Dear Mr. Jones: > > > It was never our intent to make it difficult or impossible > > for legitimate genealogists and family researchers to obtain > > information about births and deaths. The attorneys who > > drafted A-1390 had assured me the wording of the bill was > > adequate to protect their interests and activities. > > Nevertheless, there appears to be something of a panicked > > reaction among people who fear their access to records will > > be restricted. So I have directed that the bill be amended > > to state expressly that copies of records are available to > > researchers. However, such persons must submit an official > > request so that record-keepers can record the names and > > addresses of those who receive the records. > > > I hope this amendment will satisfy everyone concerned - the > > many who politely suggested changes and the few who > > not-so-politely expressed their outrage. > > > I wish you happy rooting in the past and even happier results. > > > > Sincerely, > > Joan M. Quigley > > Assemblywoman > > > > ==== NJ-GSNJ Mailing List ==== > Visit our Collections Guide: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~njgsnj/collectionguide.html > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx
It is a good thing that an Assemblywomen courteously responded to a constituent. It seems though that she is not following the GSNJ wording recommendations. Perhaps she isn't aware of them. Might be a good idea to transmit them to her. Bob Fenner, Marlton ----- Original Message ----- From: <AnnWicki@aol.com> To: <NJ-GSNJ-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 12:51 PM Subject: Re: [GSNJ] FW: Assemblywoman Quigley's reply > > > Joan: > > I am impressed with Assemblywoman Quigley's reply. > > I sent for my birth certificate and was required to send a copy of my > driver's license. I didn't mind sending that. We do have to be on our > guard. > > Ann in Farmingdale, NJ > > > In a message dated 2/17/2006 12:37:04 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > jmlowry@earthlink.net writes: > > Hello list > > Many thanks to Mike, who did get a reply from Assemblywoman Quigley's > office, and forwarded it to us so we can all see it. The text of her > response follows. > > As Mike pointed out - it is good, but can probably still be better. Her > response still doesn't address the requirement that we not share the > information and doesn't address any concerns about what years we should > be able to access. But - the fact that she is planning to change the > language is excellent and shows that all our hard work is paying off. > > Now, we just have to get them to word it right for us. > > Regards, > Joan > > Joan M. Lowry > mailto:jmlowry@earthlink.net > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: GmDjones51@aol.com [mailto:GmDjones51@aol.com] >> Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 9:03 AM >> To: jmlowry@earthlink.net >> Subject: Assemblywoman Quigley's reply >> > >> >> Dear Mr. Jones: > >> It was never our intent to make it difficult or impossible >> for legitimate genealogists and family researchers to obtain >> information about births and deaths. The attorneys who >> drafted A-1390 had assured me the wording of the bill was >> adequate to protect their interests and activities. >> Nevertheless, there appears to be something of a panicked >> reaction among people who fear their access to records will >> be restricted. So I have directed that the bill be amended >> to state expressly that copies of records are available to >> researchers. However, such persons must submit an official >> request so that record-keepers can record the names and >> addresses of those who receive the records. > >> I hope this amendment will satisfy everyone concerned - the >> many who politely suggested changes and the few who >> not-so-politely expressed their outrage. > >> I wish you happy rooting in the past and even happier results. >> >> Sincerely, >> Joan M. Quigley >> Assemblywoman > > > > > > > > It is worthwhile for anyone to have behind him a few generations of > honest, > hard-working ancestry. > - J. P. Marquand, 1893-1960 > > > > > > ==== NJ-GSNJ Mailing List ==== > Save the Date!!! Save the Date!!! Save the Date!!! > GSNJ 2006 Spring Conference -- Saturday, June 3rd > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > >
Joan: I am impressed with Assemblywoman Quigley's reply. I sent for my birth certificate and was required to send a copy of my driver's license. I didn't mind sending that. We do have to be on our guard. Ann in Farmingdale, NJ In a message dated 2/17/2006 12:37:04 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, jmlowry@earthlink.net writes: Hello list Many thanks to Mike, who did get a reply from Assemblywoman Quigley's office, and forwarded it to us so we can all see it. The text of her response follows. As Mike pointed out - it is good, but can probably still be better. Her response still doesn't address the requirement that we not share the information and doesn't address any concerns about what years we should be able to access. But - the fact that she is planning to change the language is excellent and shows that all our hard work is paying off. Now, we just have to get them to word it right for us. Regards, Joan Joan M. Lowry mailto:jmlowry@earthlink.net > -----Original Message----- > From: GmDjones51@aol.com [mailto:GmDjones51@aol.com] > Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 9:03 AM > To: jmlowry@earthlink.net > Subject: Assemblywoman Quigley's reply > > > Dear Mr. Jones: > It was never our intent to make it difficult or impossible > for legitimate genealogists and family researchers to obtain > information about births and deaths. The attorneys who > drafted A-1390 had assured me the wording of the bill was > adequate to protect their interests and activities. > Nevertheless, there appears to be something of a panicked > reaction among people who fear their access to records will > be restricted. So I have directed that the bill be amended > to state expressly that copies of records are available to > researchers. However, such persons must submit an official > request so that record-keepers can record the names and > addresses of those who receive the records. > I hope this amendment will satisfy everyone concerned - the > many who politely suggested changes and the few who > not-so-politely expressed their outrage. > I wish you happy rooting in the past and even happier results. > > Sincerely, > Joan M. Quigley > Assemblywoman It is worthwhile for anyone to have behind him a few generations of honest, hard-working ancestry. - J. P. Marquand, 1893-1960
Hello list Many thanks to Mike, who did get a reply from Assemblywoman Quigley's office, and forwarded it to us so we can all see it. The text of her response follows. As Mike pointed out - it is good, but can probably still be better. Her response still doesn't address the requirement that we not share the information and doesn't address any concerns about what years we should be able to access. But - the fact that she is planning to change the language is excellent and shows that all our hard work is paying off. Now, we just have to get them to word it right for us. Regards, Joan Joan M. Lowry mailto:jmlowry@earthlink.net > -----Original Message----- > From: GmDjones51@aol.com [mailto:GmDjones51@aol.com] > Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 9:03 AM > To: jmlowry@earthlink.net > Subject: Assemblywoman Quigley's reply > > > Dear Mr. Jones: > It was never our intent to make it difficult or impossible > for legitimate genealogists and family researchers to obtain > information about births and deaths. The attorneys who > drafted A-1390 had assured me the wording of the bill was > adequate to protect their interests and activities. > Nevertheless, there appears to be something of a panicked > reaction among people who fear their access to records will > be restricted. So I have directed that the bill be amended > to state expressly that copies of records are available to > researchers. However, such persons must submit an official > request so that record-keepers can record the names and > addresses of those who receive the records. > I hope this amendment will satisfy everyone concerned - the > many who politely suggested changes and the few who > not-so-politely expressed their outrage. > I wish you happy rooting in the past and even happier results. > > Sincerely, > Joan M. Quigley > Assemblywoman
How in the world do I "unsubscribe" from this "firestorm" of legitimate concern"? Please ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joan M Lowry" <jmlowry@earthlink.net> To: <NJ-GSNJ-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 9:36 AM
If you go to the State of NJ website, then to legislature, it has everyone's telphone & fax numbers. Susan B. Miller 101 Old Clinton Road Flemington, NJ 08822 Phone (908) 782 7846 Fax (908) 782 1456 Cell (908) 334 3396 -----Original Message----- From: maryann clark [mailto:mrmc4540@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 3:12 PM To: NJ-GSNJ-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [GSNJ] RE: A-1390 (Vital Records Bill) DOES ANYONE KNOW THE FAX NUMBER TO THE ASSEMBLY WOMEN? THANKYOU MARYANN CLARI kajbene <kajbene@bellsouth.net> wrote: HI, I typed the letter (hunt & peck, painfully slow), to the 3 assembly women, changing the names as needed. I also added a paragraph about why this affects me and my research, my roots are in NJ. My emigrant grand parents came to N.J. from Hungary, raised their family, lived life and did not have the time to keep the dates, names ,places etc. in a record book, but thankfully NEW JERSEY did. I am 67 & never knew any of my grand parents, only their names. I feel my researching & finding them in the records gives them the respect and love they deserve. Their descendants & mine will have a lasting memory of this hard working couple. My grand parents embraced this country and NEW JERSEY fully, learning a new language and a new way of life. Yet they kept the flavor of the Hungarian life they knew and nicely blended the two, for all of us who come after. Researching makes my Andrew & Julia real living family members, not just two names I know were some how connected to me. This to the list, I know my story in NOT unique; we are all experiencing the joy of getting to know our roots. There are thousands of similar experiences; they just have to know this. I also typed the letters in my husbands name so he too can send the 3 letters. I put Joans letter on the lists I am on and sent it to friends. One of my lists had wonderful discussions & focused on sending letters. I plan to let them all know the out come of this as we get the info. I am sharing this just to give some ideas & to let Joan know letters are being sent & have been sent. Julie B in NC -----Original Message----- From: Joan M Lowry (GSNJ) [mailto:jml-gsnj@earthlink.net] Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 10:03 AM To: NJ-GSNJ-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [GSNJ] RE: A-1390 (Vital Records Bill) -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.8/260 - Release Date: 2/14/2006 ==== NJ-GSNJ Mailing List ==== Save the Date!!! Save the Date!!! Save the Date!!! GSNJ 2006 Spring Conference -- Saturday, June 3rd ============================== Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx --------------------------------- Brings words and photos together (easily) with PhotoMail - it's free and works with Yahoo! Mail. ==== NJ-GSNJ Mailing List ==== Visit our Collections Guide: http://www.rootsweb.com/~njgsnj/collectionguide.html ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx
Hi Julie B in NC Thanks for expressing my own feelings about searching for our ancestors. This is a legacy for our grandchildren. Other family members who do not live in NJ might send letters as well. After all, we are doing a lot of leg work for them as well. Ann Marie
Hi Terri I will bet you are quite eloquent. Post the letter by Joe Klett if you do not want to write it yourself. He said it all. Ann Marie
Hi Joan This is just what I wanted. Thanks. Ann Marie
Joan Did you know the Pennsylvania Genealogical Society included an article abouit this bill in there last news letter. Curt Miller -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Joan M Lowry (GSNJ)" <jml-gsnj@earthlink.net> > Pat and All > > "On to the next round!" is well put and a great idea! As they say - > "keep those cards and letters coming!" The NJ Assembly has not yet > scheduled this for a vote and if they hear from enough of us - maybe > they will either shelve it or send it back to the committee for a > rewrite. > > A huge Thank You goes out to everyone who has contacted NJ Assembly > members regarding amending A-1390. Also, I want to encourage anyone who > has not already contacted either the sponsors of the bill or your local > Assemblyman to do so soon. If we keep the heat on, they'll have to pay > attention. > > GSNJ is working with other groups in NJ (as well as the Federation of > Genealogical Societies and the International Association of Jewish > Genealogical Societies) to come up with ways to prevent this bill being > enacted in its current form. I hope that we might be able to say we > have good news soon - but we can't just sit back and wait for things to > happen - we have to make them happen. So - keep writing and let them > know we aren't going away anytime soon. > > As soon as we hear any news about the bill - good, bad, or indifferent - > we will let you all know. > > Thanks again for all the vocal support! > > Regards, > Joan > > Joan M. Lowry > mailto:jml-gsnj@earthlink.net > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Patricia Peoples [mailto:ppeoples@cfl.rr.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 6:33 PM > > To: NJ-GSNJ-L@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [GSNJ] [Fwd: Re: A-1390 (Vital Records Bill)] > > > > > > Thanks Michelle! And thanks to all who are writing their legistors > and > > thanks to Joseph Klett for his eloquent and passionate letter. March > 2 is > > the next scheduled Assembly voting session. There's no limit on how > often > > you can write your legislators -- or call their offices and speak with > their > > staffs -- let them know how many people will be harmed by this > > ill-considered legislation! I know I won't rest until we > > all hear that this bill is either dead or substantially amended!! On > to > > the next round! > > > > Pat Peoples > > > > > > ==== NJ-GSNJ Mailing List ==== > New Jersey Family Bible Records Submission Request: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~njgsnj/bibletranscript.html > > ============================== > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx >
What documents was he faking and what was he using as a pattern for the fake documents? Curt Miller -------------- Original message -------------- From: Bracca@aol.com > I keep watch on Paterson, having been born and raised there. A month or two > after 9/11 they found a middle eastern man had been making fake documents. > Believe it or not, he got almost no jail time. I think that was when they > created > identity requirements. > > Now they have to change the laws and prosecute forgers and identity thieves > easier and give them more stringent punishement - fines as well as jail time. > Take all assets as they do others who push drugs. > > Thanks for the info. > > Ann Marie > > > ==== NJ-GSNJ Mailing List ==== > Visit our Collections Guide: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~njgsnj/collectionguide.html > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx >
I just got called Assemblyman Joe Robert's office. He's the speaker of the Assembly. According to his aide, the bill has not been posted and if you have any comments or would like to voice your opinion as to whether it should be or not, you should contact them at 856-742-7600 or fax them at 856-742-1831. Mike
Probably Driver's Licenses. ----- Original Message ----- From: <curtw@comcast.net> To: <NJ-GSNJ-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 1:30 PM Subject: Re: [GSNJ] We must calm ourselves > What documents was he faking and what was he using as a pattern for the > fake documents? > > Curt Miller > > > > > -------------- Original message -------------- > From: Bracca@aol.com > >> I keep watch on Paterson, having been born and raised there. A month or >> two >> after 9/11 they found a middle eastern man had been making fake >> documents. >> Believe it or not, he got almost no jail time. I think that was when they >> created >> identity requirements. >> >> Now they have to change the laws and prosecute forgers and identity >> thieves >> easier and give them more stringent punishement - fines as well as jail >> time. >> Take all assets as they do others who push drugs. >> >> Thanks for the info. >> >> Ann Marie >> >> >> ==== NJ-GSNJ Mailing List ==== >> Visit our Collections Guide: >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~njgsnj/collectionguide.html >> >> ============================== >> Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the >> areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. >> Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx >> > > > ==== NJ-GSNJ Mailing List ==== > Genealogical Magazine of New Jersey: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~njgsnj/genmag.html > > ============================== > View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find > marriage announcements and more. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx >
Curt, Thank you for the info!! I've printed the online news where the have A1390 listed. It's great to see the word spreading on this issue. curtw@comcast.net wrote: > Joan > > Did you know the Pennsylvania Genealogical Society included an article abouit this bill in there last news letter. > > Curt Miller > > -- Michelle Tucker Chubenko
Here's my letter to my 2 Democratic assemblypeople. As a lifelong resident, Democrat and voter in NJ (Yes, I did vote for you!), I am concerned about the proposed Assembly bill A1390. As I understand it, it will basically make a lot of genealogy illegal. That is not good. I understand the need for homeland security. But just as President Bush may have overridden what was needed in authorizing wiretaps without judicial approval, it sound like A1390 may be going too far without taking into account all of the potential consequences. Genealogy has had a lot of positive impact on our lives. Our sense of who we are and how our freedoms came about come from our study of our history. Genealogy goes beyond the plain vanilla history and makes it personal, and more meaningful. Learning that one of my ancestors was a Revolutionary War Loyalist who left the US for Canada in 1783 helped me think more deeply about what it means to take a stand during a war. Before that, I never paid attention to the fact that not everyone in the 13 Colonies was a Revolutionary. And the fact that his sons returned to the US from Canada and became naturalized citizens in 1843 in NJ, helps underscore for me the choices that people make to come to the US. But I still want to find out whether his sons came to NJ because their loyalist father was from NJ. And if you close the records, with A1390, I may never find out. Can't the bill be amended in such a way as to make genealogical records available? Your constituent _____ From: NJ-GSNJ-D-request@rootsweb.com [mailto:NJ-GSNJ-D-request@rootsweb.com] Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 10:03 AM To: NJ-GSNJ-D@rootsweb.com Subject: NJ-GSNJ-D Digest V06 #20
Please send this to Patricia Matthews of PA. She is in a group called "The_Courthouse_Gang" at yahoo groups. I can't make a dent in her email to find out if she has seen this or not. Kathy ----- Original Message ----- From: Michelle Chubenko<mailto:michelle@chubenko.us> To: NJ-GSNJ-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:NJ-GSNJ-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 12:32 PM Subject: Re: [GSNJ] NJ vitals Kathy & all, I'm not sure what you mean by "national", but hope this cover it. :) Vital records maintenance/access are mandated by each state's regulations/laws. Remember, it is a document created by the state. Thus, the Federal Government cannot tell the states *how* to make their records secure, available, etc. to the public. However, in December the President signed into law S2845/HR10 "Intelligence Reform and Terrorism Act of 2004" which had the following... "Not later than one year after the date of the enactment of this Act, the Secretary, in consultation with the Secretary of Health and Human Services and the States, shall establish minimum standards for issuance of a birth certificate to specific family members, their authorized representatives, and others who demonstrate that the certificate is needed for the protection of the requestor's personal or property rights." This law is not telling the states *how* to go about creating/enforcing, just that they *need* to do it. Unfortunately, FGS, NGS and other organizations/individuals did propose language to retain "plain copy" or non-ID copies for the public. This language was not incorporated into the bill. So, I'm not sure if the A1390 is in response to S2845/HR10, but I do know that Jersey City and Paterson did have illegal activity with vital records. Which leads me to believe, that A1390 is in response to these local issues and not the "Intelligence Reform and Terrorism Act of 2004". You can read GSNJ's letters (2004) to US Congressmen Lautenberg and Corzine regarding S2845/HR10 on our website: http://www.rootsweb.com/~njgsnj/legislation.html<http://www.rootsweb.com/~njgsnj/legislation.html> Emails were posted to the NJ-L mailing list in December 2004: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/NJ/2004-12<http://archiver.rootswebcom/th/index/NJ/2004-12> FYI... The Federation of Genealogical Societies does maintain a Records Preservation and Access webpage: http://www.fgs.org/rpa/<http://www.fgs.org/rpa/> Hope this helps!! Michelle KEIsleib wrote: > I am sorry to bother you Michelle, but if this passes, how long will it take to national? > > Kathy > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Michelle Chubenko<mailto:michelle@chubenko.us<mailto:michelle@chubenko.us>> > To: NJ-GSNJ-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:NJ-GSNJ-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:NJ-GSNJ-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:NJ-GSNJ-L@rootsweb.com>> > Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 11:36 AM > Subject: Re: [GSNJ] NJ vitals > -- Michelle Tucker Chubenko Professional Genealogist: http://www.chubenko.us/profgen/index.htm<http://www.chubenko.us/profgen/index.htm> "Things don't turn up in this world until somebody turns them up." - James A. Garfield ==== NJ-GSNJ Mailing List ==== GSNJ Newsletter: http://www.rootsweb.com/~njgsnj/newsletter.html<http://www.rootsweb.com/~njgsnj/newsletter.html> ============================== Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx<http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx>
Curt I have tried to find out if they are informed and I am getting no answer. Kathy ----- Original Message ----- From: curtw@comcast.net<mailto:curtw@comcast.net> To: NJ-GSNJ-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:NJ-GSNJ-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 1:39 PM Subject: Re: [GSNJ] RE: A-1390 (Vital Records Bill) Joan Did you know the Pennsylvania Genealogical Society included an article abouit this bill in there last news letter. Curt Miller -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Joan M Lowry (GSNJ)" <jml-gsnj@earthlink.net<mailto:jml-gsnj@earthlink.net>> > Pat and All > > "On to the next round!" is well put and a great idea! As they say - > "keep those cards and letters coming!" The NJ Assembly has not yet > scheduled this for a vote and if they hear from enough of us - maybe > they will either shelve it or send it back to the committee for a > rewrite. > > A huge Thank You goes out to everyone who has contacted NJ Assembly > members regarding amending A-1390. Also, I want to encourage anyone who > has not already contacted either the sponsors of the bill or your local > Assemblyman to do so soon. If we keep the heat on, they'll have to pay > attention. > > GSNJ is working with other groups in NJ (as well as the Federation of > Genealogical Societies and the International Association of Jewish > Genealogical Societies) to come up with ways to prevent this bill being > enacted in its current form. I hope that we might be able to say we > have good news soon - but we can't just sit back and wait for things to > happen - we have to make them happen. So - keep writing and let them > know we aren't going away anytime soon. > > As soon as we hear any news about the bill - good, bad, or indifferent - > we will let you all know. > > Thanks again for all the vocal support! > > Regards, > Joan > > Joan M. Lowry > mailto:jml-gsnj@earthlink.net<mailto:jml-gsnj@earthlink.net> > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Patricia Peoples [mailto:ppeoples@cfl.rr.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 6:33 PM > > To: NJ-GSNJ-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:NJ-GSNJ-L@rootsweb.com> > > Subject: Re: [GSNJ] [Fwd: Re: A-1390 (Vital Records Bill)] > > > > > > Thanks Michelle! And thanks to all who are writing their legistors > and > > thanks to Joseph Klett for his eloquent and passionate letter. March > 2 is > > the next scheduled Assembly voting session. There's no limit on how > often > > you can write your legislators -- or call their offices and speak with > their > > staffs -- let them know how many people will be harmed by this > > ill-considered legislation! I know I won't rest until we > > all hear that this bill is either dead or substantially amended!! On > to > > the next round! > > > > Pat Peoples > > > > > > ==== NJ-GSNJ Mailing List ==== > New Jersey Family Bible Records Submission Request: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~njgsnj/bibletranscript.html<http://www.rootsweb.com/~njgsnj/bibletranscript.html> > > ============================== > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx<http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx> > ==== NJ-GSNJ Mailing List ==== Save the Date!!! Save the Date!!! Save the Date!!! GSNJ 2006 Spring Conference -- Saturday, June 3rd ============================== Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx<http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx>
Kathy & all, I'm not sure what you mean by "national", but hope this cover it. :) Vital records maintenance/access are mandated by each state's regulations/laws. Remember, it is a document created by the state. Thus, the Federal Government cannot tell the states *how* to make their records secure, available, etc. to the public. However, in December the President signed into law S2845/HR10 "Intelligence Reform and Terrorism Act of 2004" which had the following... "Not later than one year after the date of the enactment of this Act, the Secretary, in consultation with the Secretary of Health and Human Services and the States, shall establish minimum standards for issuance of a birth certificate to specific family members, their authorized representatives, and others who demonstrate that the certificate is needed for the protection of the requestor's personal or property rights." This law is not telling the states *how* to go about creating/enforcing, just that they *need* to do it. Unfortunately, FGS, NGS and other organizations/individuals did propose language to retain "plain copy" or non-ID copies for the public. This language was not incorporated into the bill. So, I'm not sure if the A1390 is in response to S2845/HR10, but I do know that Jersey City and Paterson did have illegal activity with vital records. Which leads me to believe, that A1390 is in response to these local issues and not the "Intelligence Reform and Terrorism Act of 2004". You can read GSNJ's letters (2004) to US Congressmen Lautenberg and Corzine regarding S2845/HR10 on our website: http://www.rootsweb.com/~njgsnj/legislation.html Emails were posted to the NJ-L mailing list in December 2004: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/NJ/2004-12 FYI... The Federation of Genealogical Societies does maintain a Records Preservation and Access webpage: http://www.fgs.org/rpa/ Hope this helps!! Michelle KEIsleib wrote: > I am sorry to bother you Michelle, but if this passes, how long will it take to national? > > Kathy > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Michelle Chubenko<mailto:michelle@chubenko.us> > To: NJ-GSNJ-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:NJ-GSNJ-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 11:36 AM > Subject: Re: [GSNJ] NJ vitals > -- Michelle Tucker Chubenko Professional Genealogist: http://www.chubenko.us/profgen/index.htm "Things don't turn up in this world until somebody turns them up." - James A. Garfield
DOES ANYONE KNOW THE FAX NUMBER TO THE ASSEMBLY WOMEN? THANKYOU MARYANN CLARI kajbene <kajbene@bellsouth.net> wrote: HI, I typed the letter (hunt & peck, painfully slow), to the 3 assembly women, changing the names as needed. I also added a paragraph about why this affects me and my research, my roots are in NJ. My emigrant grand parents came to N.J. from Hungary, raised their family, lived life and did not have the time to keep the dates, names ,places etc. in a record book, but thankfully NEW JERSEY did. I am 67 & never knew any of my grand parents, only their names. I feel my researching & finding them in the records gives them the respect and love they deserve. Their descendants & mine will have a lasting memory of this hard working couple. My grand parents embraced this country and NEW JERSEY fully, learning a new language and a new way of life. Yet they kept the flavor of the Hungarian life they knew and nicely blended the two, for all of us who come after. Researching makes my Andrew & Julia real living family members, not just two names I know were some how connected to me. This to the list, I know my story in NOT unique; we are all experiencing the joy of getting to know our roots. There are thousands of similar experiences; they just have to know this. I also typed the letters in my husbands name so he too can send the 3 letters. I put Joans letter on the lists I am on and sent it to friends. One of my lists had wonderful discussions & focused on sending letters. I plan to let them all know the out come of this as we get the info. I am sharing this just to give some ideas & to let Joan know letters are being sent & have been sent. Julie B in NC -----Original Message----- From: Joan M Lowry (GSNJ) [mailto:jml-gsnj@earthlink.net] Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 10:03 AM To: NJ-GSNJ-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [GSNJ] RE: A-1390 (Vital Records Bill) -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.8/260 - Release Date: 2/14/2006 ==== NJ-GSNJ Mailing List ==== Save the Date!!! Save the Date!!! Save the Date!!! GSNJ 2006 Spring Conference -- Saturday, June 3rd ============================== Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx --------------------------------- Brings words and photos together (easily) with PhotoMail - it's free and works with Yahoo! Mail.
IS THERE AN EMAIL ADDRESS TO THESE ASSEMBLY WOMEN THAT WE CAN WRITE TO? THANKYOU, MARYANN CLARK KEIsleib <isleib301@msn.com> wrote: I am sorry to bother you Michelle, but if this passes, how long will it take to national? Kathy ----- Original Message ----- From: Michelle Chubenko To: NJ-GSNJ-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 11:36 AM Subject: Re: [GSNJ] NJ vitals Terri, Joan did post to the H-New-Jersey list on February 7 & 8. The posts were the same that NJ-GSNJ-L received. The H-NET online archives for H-New-Jersey can be accessed via: http://h-net.msu.edu/cgi-bin/logbrowse.pl?trx=lm&list=H-New-Jersey Also, I do know that the Advocates for New Jersey history are working diligently on this issue as well. Our letters (email, fax, postal) are making a difference... My Assemblyman's office called this morning to let me know they have contacted the bill sponsor and will be keeping me updated on progress/news. It would seem that the bill sponsor's office has been hearing/receiving a lot of concern about A1390. Keep up the great work! Michelle Chubenko Terri wrote: > Joan -- > > I haven't seen any mention of this issue on the > H-NEW-JERSEY@H-NET.MSU.EDU pages. > > For those who may not be acquainted with this list - and I won't be able > to explain it fully -- it's a mail list of educators, historians, > authors, etc., posting news of meetings, asking questions regarding > historical projects - such as books they're writing, etc., even college > folks asking for help with assignments and/or thesis'. > > I'm not sure I could post an effective, eloquent enough message - as I'm > none of the above. Would you consider posting this news to that list? > > There's some pretty powerful folks on this list. > Thank you - Terri > > > ==== NJ-GSNJ Mailing List ==== > GSNJ Home Page: > http://www.gsnj.org -- Michelle Tucker Chubenko Professional Genealogist: http://www.chubenko.us/profgen/index.htm "Things don't turn up in this world until somebody turns them up." - James A. Garfield ==== NJ-GSNJ Mailing List ==== New Jersey Legislative Alerts: http://www.rootsweb.com/~njgsnj/legislation.html ============================== Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. New content added every business day. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx ==== NJ-GSNJ Mailing List ==== Visit our Collections Guide: http://www.rootsweb.com/~njgsnj/collectionguide.html ============================== Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx --------------------------------- Brings words and photos together (easily) with PhotoMail - it's free and works with Yahoo! Mail.