did you find her on the ssdi.? that would give her last residence. Ann On 5/30/07, Maria Celano <[email protected]> wrote: > > Sharon > I was led to believe that she died in NJ and had applied for a death > certificate from NJ > > I still have not had a response from the relevant government group - they > were too eager to take the money .. I did receive other certificates from > them except the MAIN one I was looking for. > I then questioned a number of relatives - very distant relatives - a > number > of times and then discovered that in fact she died in NY and buried in NJ > - I will apply for her death certificate from New York in the next week or > so. > > I have also checked a number of sources to track down her obituary in both > NY and NJ - from newspapers and other online sources with NO luck .. still > checking the internet. > > It is amazing I have located her mother, step father, siblings, husband > and > other relatives but not her. > She is NOT buried with her husband (same cemetery) as this was her wish - > nor is she buried with her other relative.. > I wonder if there was a chance that she may have changed her name when > buried in a cemetery in NJ. > > Thanks - I will try official death certificate from MY - I think this is > my > last step to locating her. > Maria > Melbourne, Victoria, Australia > > 31 May 2007 > > On 5/31/07, Sharon Murray <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Do you have the death certificate? The death > > certificate will usually list the place of > > interment right on it as well as the funeral home > > that handled the sevices. You might try for a > > death notice from a newspaper, but this is very > > difficult as you don't know where this would have > > been noted, either in a New York paper or a New > > Jersey paper. > > > > It would be very difficult to find your > > information otherwise. > > > > Sharon > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [email protected] > > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of > > Maria Celano > > Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 11:39 PM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [NJ] FIND ME IN NJ Answer #30 > > > > Hello > > If a person died in New York in 1961 > > and was buried in New Jersey > > > > Would this be some kind of record where she may be > > buried (in what cemetery) > > in New Jersey? > > > > I have tried a number of online listings and > > cemetery records - have > > hit a brick wall. > > Cheers > > from Maria > > Melbourne, Victoria, Australia > > > > 30 May 2007 > > > > On 5/30/07, [email protected] > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an > > email to > > > [email protected] with the word > > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > > > the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > > to [email protected] with the word > > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject > > and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in > > the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > -- Ann Brown " Cookie"

One other thing I did last month was call the local library and ask for a look up in an old city directory or phone book for the year before the person died. I found them !!! On 5/30/07, Maria Celano <[email protected]> wrote: > > Thank you - I will try all avenues. > > > from Maria > Melbourne, Victoria, Australia > > On 5/30/07, Peggie Longwell <[email protected]> wrote: > > Maria- > > > > > > Ref: A death in NY and burial in NJ in the 1960s the obit should mention > > where the interment would occur. Try checking for the local newspapers > > online in the town where the person died. Check from the date of death > and > > for about another week. > > I live in a small town in OR and the 2 papers here tend to > supplementeach > > other -the daily gives the initial notice and the weekly usually gives a > > large column to any tribute written by the family and submitted. > > > > Also, you could check online for the mortuary in the place of death and > ask > > for a copy of their record for the person. Our local paper here prints > a > > listing of ALL those who they have buried-[one list going back the full > 120 > > years-the other only 79] every Memorial weekend. It is an awesome idea > and > > has been a great assistance in my own searches for my husband's family. > > > > G'Day > > Peggie in OR > > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.3/824 - Release Date: 5/29/2007 > > 1:01 PM > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in > > the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > -- Ann Brown " Cookie"

To order a death certificate for someone who died in New York State, you need to know whether the person died in New York City or elsewhere in New York State. If the person died in the city, you order the death certificate from the NYC Dept. of Health. It will cost you US$15, and you should receive your copy in 5-6 weeks (longer for delivery abroad). If the person died upstate, you need to order the death certificate from the New York State Dept. of Health. It will cost you US$22, and you should receive your copy in 2-3 months (if you're lucky). There are very few /online /sources of obituaries for people who died in 1961 in either New York or New Jersey. There is the online historical /New York Times/, which some of us have access to, but the /New York Times/ publishes relatively few obituaries and death notices for a city of 8 million people. If the person you are seeking died in NYC's borough of Queens or Brooklyn, there were daily newspaper serving those boroughs in 1961, but they are not available online. That's why you need to post a request for an obit on some NYC genealogy mailing lists. Mark Lomax Pasadena, CA Maria Celano wrote: > Sharon > I was led to believe that she died in NJ and had applied for a death > certificate from NJ > > I still have not had a response from the relevant government group - they > were too eager to take the money .. I did receive other certificates from > them except the MAIN one I was looking for. > I then questioned a number of relatives - very distant relatives - a number > of times and then discovered that in fact she died in NY and buried in NJ > - I will apply for her death certificate from New York in the next week or > so. > > I have also checked a number of sources to track down her obituary in both > NY and NJ - from newspapers and other online sources with NO luck .. still > checking the internet. > > It is amazing I have located her mother, step father, siblings, husband and > other relatives but not her. > She is NOT buried with her husband (same cemetery) as this was her wish - > nor is she buried with her other relative.. > I wonder if there was a chance that she may have changed her name when > buried in a cemetery in NJ. > > Thanks - I will try official death certificate from MY - I think this is my > last step to locating her. > Maria > Melbourne, Victoria, Australia > > 31 May 2007 > > On 5/31/07, Sharon Murray <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Do you have the death certificate? The death >> certificate will usually list the place of >> interment right on it as well as the funeral home >> that handled the sevices. You might try for a >> death notice from a newspaper, but this is very >> difficult as you don't know where this would have >> been noted, either in a New York paper or a New >> Jersey paper. >> >> It would be very difficult to find your >> information otherwise. >> >> Sharon >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] >> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of >> Maria Celano >> Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 11:39 PM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [NJ] FIND ME IN NJ Answer #30 >> >> Hello >> If a person died in New York in 1961 >> and was buried in New Jersey >> >> Would this be some kind of record where she may be >> buried (in what cemetery) >> in New Jersey? >> >> I have tried a number of online listings and >> cemetery records - have >> hit a brick wall. >> Cheers >> from Maria >> Melbourne, Victoria, Australia >> >> 30 May 2007 >> >> On 5/30/07, [email protected] >> <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an >>> >> email to >> >>> [email protected] with the word >>> >> 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in >> >>> the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email >> to [email protected] with the word >> 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject >> and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in >> the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

The person whose burial place she is seeking died in 1961. The Social Security Death Index was established in 1962; it contains very few listings for people who died before 1962. Also, most of the deaths in the index from 1960s do not show a last residence. Mark Lomax Pasadena, CA Ann Brown wrote: > did you find her on the ssdi.? that would give her last residence. > > Ann > > > On 5/30/07, Maria Celano <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Sharon >> I was led to believe that she died in NJ and had applied for a death >> certificate from NJ >> >> I still have not had a response from the relevant government group - they >> were too eager to take the money .. I did receive other certificates from >> them except the MAIN one I was looking for. >> I then questioned a number of relatives - very distant relatives - a >> number >> of times and then discovered that in fact she died in NY and buried in NJ >> - I will apply for her death certificate from New York in the next week or >> so. >> >> I have also checked a number of sources to track down her obituary in both >> NY and NJ - from newspapers and other online sources with NO luck .. still >> checking the internet. >> >> It is amazing I have located her mother, step father, siblings, husband >> and >> other relatives but not her. >> She is NOT buried with her husband (same cemetery) as this was her wish - >> nor is she buried with her other relative.. >> I wonder if there was a chance that she may have changed her name when >> buried in a cemetery in NJ. >> >> Thanks - I will try official death certificate from MY - I think this is >> my >> last step to locating her. >> Maria >> Melbourne, Victoria, Australia >> >> 31 May 2007 >> >> On 5/31/07, Sharon Murray <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Do you have the death certificate? The death >>> certificate will usually list the place of >>> interment right on it as well as the funeral home >>> that handled the sevices. You might try for a >>> death notice from a newspaper, but this is very >>> difficult as you don't know where this would have >>> been noted, either in a New York paper or a New >>> Jersey paper. >>> >>> It would be very difficult to find your >>> information otherwise. >>> >>> Sharon >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: [email protected] >>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of >>> Maria Celano >>> Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 11:39 PM >>> To: [email protected] >>> Subject: Re: [NJ] FIND ME IN NJ Answer #30 >>> >>> Hello >>> If a person died in New York in 1961 >>> and was buried in New Jersey >>> >>> Would this be some kind of record where she may be >>> buried (in what cemetery) >>> in New Jersey? >>> >>> I have tried a number of online listings and >>> cemetery records - have >>> hit a brick wall. >>> Cheers >>> from Maria >>> Melbourne, Victoria, Australia >>> >>> 30 May 2007 >>> >>> On 5/30/07, [email protected] >>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an >>>> >>> email to >>> >>>> [email protected] with the word >>>> >>> 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in >>> >>>> the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email >>> to [email protected] with the word >>> 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject >>> and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >>> >> in >> >>> the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in >> the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > > >

Do you have the death certificate? The death certificate will usually list the place of interment right on it as well as the funeral home that handled the sevices. You might try for a death notice from a newspaper, but this is very difficult as you don't know where this would have been noted, either in a New York paper or a New Jersey paper. It would be very difficult to find your information otherwise. Sharon -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Maria Celano Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 11:39 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [NJ] FIND ME IN NJ Answer #30 Hello If a person died in New York in 1961 and was buried in New Jersey Would this be some kind of record where she may be buried (in what cemetery) in New Jersey? I have tried a number of online listings and cemetery records - have hit a brick wall. Cheers from Maria Melbourne, Victoria, Australia 30 May 2007 On 5/30/07, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

STACKHOUSE: JOSEPH STACKHOUSE is listed as father of JOSEPHINE STACKHOUSE,23, when she married Joseph E. Baxter, 26, of Springfield, 11/17/1861. JOSEPH STACKHOUSE,62, of Penndyl, Pa., single, farmer, died Oct. 30, 1848, in Northampton Twp.of apoplexy. ELIZABETH BRANNING, 25, of Mt. Holly, dtr. of William Branning, married SAMUEL S. SHINN, 22, farmer, son of John Shinn in Mt. Holly on 1/22/1865. Notice the spelling of surname: ELIZABETH & MARK BRANNIN had a dtr., MARY BRANNIN on 12/19/1859, in Mt. Holly. Mark was a carpenter. ELIZABETH AND FRANK BRANNIN had a son WILLIAM L. BRANNIN, on 4/11/1864. Frank was a carpenter. [email protected] "Land of the free BECAUSE of the brave" ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

Thank you - I will try all avenues. from Maria Melbourne, Victoria, Australia On 5/30/07, Peggie Longwell <[email protected]> wrote: > Maria- > > > Ref: A death in NY and burial in NJ in the 1960s the obit should mention > where the interment would occur. Try checking for the local newspapers > online in the town where the person died. Check from the date of death and > for about another week. > I live in a small town in OR and the 2 papers here tend to supplementeach > other -the daily gives the initial notice and the weekly usually gives a > large column to any tribute written by the family and submitted. > > Also, you could check online for the mortuary in the place of death and ask > for a copy of their record for the person. Our local paper here prints a > listing of ALL those who they have buried-[one list going back the full 120 > years-the other only 79] every Memorial weekend. It is an awesome idea and > has been a great assistance in my own searches for my husband's family. > > G'Day > Peggie in OR > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.3/824 - Release Date: 5/29/2007 > 1:01 PM > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message >

Maria: I, too, suggest you obtain a copy of the death certificate. Did the person die in New York City or elsewhere in New York State ("upstate")? If the person died in New York City, you might want to post a request for an obit to Rootsweb's NYC mailing list, which is very active. One large New Jersey cemetery is Rosedale & Rosehill, which has an online burial database. Have you searched it? Here's a link: http://www.rosedale-rosehill.com/name_search.html What was the religion of the person you are looking for? If he or she was Roman Catholic, you might want to check Holy Cross Cemetery. They do not have an online burial listing, but their burial records are automated and they will search their database over the phone. Mark Lomax Pasadena, California On 5/30/07, Sharon Murray <[email protected] > wrote: > > Do you have the death certificate? The death > certificate will usually list the place of > interment right on it as well as the funeral home > that handled the sevices. You might try for a > death notice from a newspaper, but this is very > difficult as you don't know where this would have > been noted, either in a New York paper or a New > Jersey paper. > > It would be very difficult to find your > information otherwise. > > Sharon > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto: [email protected]] On Behalf Of > Maria Celano > Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 11:39 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [NJ] FIND ME IN NJ Answer #30 > > Hello > If a person died in New York in 1961 > and was buried in New Jersey > > Would this be some kind of record where she may be > buried (in what cemetery) > in New Jersey? > > I have tried a number of online listings and > cemetery records - have > hit a brick wall. > Cheers > from Maria > Melbourne, Victoria, Australia > > 30 May 2007 > > On 5/30/07, [email protected] > <[email protected] > wrote: > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an > email to > > [email protected] with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > > the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > to [email protected] with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject > and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message >

Linda: no JOBES nor TOMLINS. ECKMAN: Birth: Jun 19, 1860, Mt. Holly, HOWARD E. ECKMAN, son of JOHN H. & ELIZA W. ECKMAN. Tailor. Birth: Jan 11, 1863, Mt. Holly, HARRIET W. ECKMAN, dtr of JOHN N. and ELIZA ECKMAN. tailor. (I checked both entries and the middle initials for John are different but could have been misread) Death: JOHN ECKMAN, 34, May 4, 1864, Mt. Holly, married, tailor. AS FOR BROWN: there are 45 listed...can you give me a clue as to first name, or at least M or F, ???? [email protected] "Land of the free BECAUSE of the brave" ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

Kirby in NC: married...THOMAS KIRBY, 34, farmer of New Hanover Twp. married EMMA G. CARR, 21, of Springfield Twp. Marriage was in Springfield. Parents: of Thomas, Israel and Helena; of Emma, Barzilla and Mercy Carr. WILLIAM KIRBY listed as father of groom in a marriage of ASHER K. KIRBY, 25, of Westhampton, farmer, to MARY PEW, 20, of Westhampton, on Jan 22, 1857. Her parents: William Pew. Hope this helps. [email protected] "Land of the free BECAUSE of the brave" ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

you might find out the cemetery from the obit. Try both the city where he died and the city where he lived to get a possible obit. On 5/29/07, Maria Celano <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hello > If a person died in New York in 1961 > and was buried in New Jersey > > Would this be some kind of record where she may be buried (in what > cemetery) > in New Jersey? > > I have tried a number of online listings and cemetery records - have > hit a brick wall. > Cheers > from Maria > Melbourne, Victoria, Australia > > 30 May 2007 > > On 5/30/07, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in > > the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > -- Ann Brown " Cookie"

Hello If a person died in New York in 1961 and was buried in New Jersey Would this be some kind of record where she may be buried (in what cemetery) in New Jersey? I have tried a number of online listings and cemetery records - have hit a brick wall. Cheers from Maria Melbourne, Victoria, Australia 30 May 2007 On 5/30/07, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message >

Maria- Ref: A death in NY and burial in NJ in the 1960s the obit should mentionwhere the interment would occur. Try checking for the local newspapersonline in the town where the person died. Check from the date of death andfor about another week.I live in a small town in OR and the 2 papers here tend to supplementeachother -the daily gives the initial notice and the weekly usually gives alarge column to any tribute written by the family and submitted. Also, you could check online for the mortuary in the place of death and askfor a copy of their record for the person. Our local paper here prints alisting of ALL those who they have buried-[one list going back the full 120years-the other only 79] every Memorial weekend. It is an awesome idea andhas been a great assistance in my own searches for my husband's family. G'Day Peggie in OR No virus found in this outgoing message.Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.3/824 - Release Date: 5/29/20071:01 PM

Hi Marie. Thank you for your kind offer. I looked at all the possible newspaper, documents and books, and none of them were related to Samuel Brown of Manahawkin - many were about people & events in Massachusetts, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, New York, and the few references in NJ were Browns, but not Samuel! Only one looked even possible, and that was a Brown listed as a Subscriber to a book.... not what I need! I also tried "W.A. Crane" in 1917, but there were no listings. But I appreciate your suggestion. One never knows when something will surface. Best wishes to you. Pat On May 29, 2007, at 10:48 AM, Marie Van Laeys wrote: > Pat, > Are you familiar with the following url: www.genealogybank.com > There are over 11 thousand entries for various papers (not the > courier) but > Inquirer and other papers on Browns. I searched thru about 300 > entries but > with so many maybe you have more time. When you get the number of an > article you want information on let me know as I do have a > subscription. > Most often the Inquirer would carry some of the Courier's articles. > Marie > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Patricia Brown" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 4:04 AM > Subject: [NJ] "NJ Courier" article, or list of articles by W.A. Crane > > >> Greetings! I am tracking an article in the "NJ Courier" in 1917 by >> W.A. Crane. Is there an Index for Mr. Crane's articles? Or is there >> a way to find out which issue of the "Courier" contained a particular >> article? >> >> Does anyone have the microfilm of the "Courier" for 1917? >> >> I am looking for the article: "BROWN family of Manahawkin". The >> article is about Samuel BROWN (1740-1804) and wife Eleanor (Cutler) >> BROWN. Thank you. Patricia Brown >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in >> the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NJ- > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

TAYLOR, Samuel DANIEL TAYLOR born to Samuel and Elizabeth on 3/23/1854 in Mt. Holly...Sam was a shoemaker CHARLES H. TAYLOR born to Samuel and Elizabeth 10/13/1860 SAMUEL TAYLOR, age 48, died 9/1/63 in Army. Samuel' s parents were Thomas and Hannah SAMUEL S. TAYLOR, age 46, died 10/18/1864, of liver complaint. Parents Thomas & Hannah TAYLOR, Joseph GEORGE LANE TAYLOR born 8/20/1853, to Joseph and Ann Taylor, Joseph was a moulder. As for PARKER, take your pick from this list: Abigail Amos Charles Charlotte Elizabeth George Isabella Jacob Joseph Levi Mary May Rebecca Samuel Sarah Stephen William [email protected] "Land of the free BECAUSE of the brave" ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

Pat, Are you familiar with the following url: www.genealogybank.com There are over 11 thousand entries for various papers (not the courier) but Inquirer and other papers on Browns. I searched thru about 300 entries but with so many maybe you have more time. When you get the number of an article you want information on let me know as I do have a subscription. Most often the Inquirer would carry some of the Courier's articles. Marie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patricia Brown" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 4:04 AM Subject: [NJ] "NJ Courier" article, or list of articles by W.A. Crane > Greetings! I am tracking an article in the "NJ Courier" in 1917 by > W.A. Crane. Is there an Index for Mr. Crane's articles? Or is there > a way to find out which issue of the "Courier" contained a particular > article? > > Does anyone have the microfilm of the "Courier" for 1917? > > I am looking for the article: "BROWN family of Manahawkin". The > article is about Samuel BROWN (1740-1804) and wife Eleanor (Cutler) > BROWN. Thank you. Patricia Brown > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message

Greetings! I am tracking an article in the "NJ Courier" in 1917 by W.A. Crane. Is there an Index for Mr. Crane's articles? Or is there a way to find out which issue of the "Courier" contained a particular article? Does anyone have the microfilm of the "Courier" for 1917? I am looking for the article: "BROWN family of Manahawkin". The article is about Samuel BROWN (1740-1804) and wife Eleanor (Cutler) BROWN. Thank you. Patricia Brown

Howdy - it's a new week, and time for another entity to explore - GLOUCESTER county! From http://www.state.nj.us/state/darm/links/webcat/ctytable.html I found the basic information listed there which is "Based on the Story of New Jersey's Civil Boundaries, 1606-1968" by John P. Snyder (Trenton, 1969). Gloucester county was formed in 1686; it's county seat is Woodbury; original county in West Jersey - court established 1686; boudary set with Burlington County, 1692; Atlantic County set off in 1837; Camden County set of in 1844. Take some time this week to have a grand ole time exploring this county, and share with this list any memories you might have of it, or post information about ancestors from there, or help all us ignoramouses learn a wee bit more about this county - its history, towns, townships, religions, cemeteries, etc. As usual, when posting surnames please place them in CAPS. On a personal note, I am a little under the weather, and if you don't see me posting much this week, that is my excuse. I will get the remaining FIND ME IN NJ answers to Question #3 as soon as am able. Also, am currently working at extracting 'Wards & Guardians' entries from the NJ Archives Abstracts of Wills series and hope to post those findings by the close of June. Not all the volumes have entries; laws and acts surrounding orphans, and real property they were to inherit, changed from time to time, and after 1804, guardians were not appointed by testators or surrogates, but were controlled by Orphans Courts in the various counties. It is a complex issue, and the records reflect those changing laws. I've found it to be most interesting - especially during the years 1670 to 1730 - of the entries in Volume XXIII or Wills book #1 - bits of data I've delved into for some time. When examined in dated order, one can more easily see how the changing laws in the 1700's - both before and after the Revolution - concerning guardians and their duties and responsibilities - affected minors inheriting real property, and their parents as well. Most interesting to say the least! Finally, I've hired someone to transcribe NJ Archives volumes XXIII, XXX and XXXII, of the Calendar of Wills series, which are the only volumes of the Abstracts of Wills series which remain copyright free. The material may be posted to this list, but most definitely will be submitted to RootsWeb for their Achives project, hence available to all. Am hopeful this transcribing project will be completed in about 1.5 years; depends on the transcriber staying with the job, and my personal funds. I do hope everyone had a safe holiday. Thanx for listening. Happy trails... David Tourison NJ List Moderator [email protected] ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program.

Howdy - thought you folks would like to see this one, all by itself. It is by far, the most unique abstract I've come across, and well worth sharing. David NJ Archives Vol XXXIX, Calendar of Wills No. 10, pp. 311, 312: 1798, Nov. 2. MINGO, [a black man], of Upper Freehold Twsp., Monmouth Co., yeoman; will of. "My parents, Brister and Amy, both belonged to Edmond BAINBRIDGE, of Maidenhead Twsp, Hunterdon Co., and after the decase of my lawful master I became the property of his son, Abraham BAINBRIDGE, who sold me to Richard COCHORON of Somerset Co., and in time of the Revolutionary contest, the said COCHORON went to the British, and according to the law then, forfeited his estate and I being part thereof was sold by the States and bought by a certain John PEESHANK, of Hunterdon Co., who sokd me to [hole in paper] -- HORSFIELD, of Hunterdon Co., and the said HORSEFIELD sold me for a certain sum of money which was paid him in full by James COMBS, Isaac IVINS and Job CLEVENGER; all of said state; and I, MINGO, paying the same back to them, the said, James COMBS, Isaac IVINS and Job CLEVENGER, as fully appears by their receipt of discharge, clearly establishes me on the permanent bottom of Freedom, and that Freedom being ratified and confirmed further by my paying taxes since the time of my being Free, as the White free subjects doth. I had a sister named CLOE, whose husband's name was FRANK, who bought the said CLOE, his wife, of Isaac ANDERSON, then living near Princeton; also I have another sister named NELLY who was carried by her mistress, who married Thomas BILES, into Pennsylvania. My real and personal estate to be equally divided between the children of my sisters, CLOE and NELLY, and should sister NELLY, be alive she is to have an equal share with her children. At present my sister CLOE's children are in a state of bondage, and if any of them, by being in a 'state of bondage,' cannot enjoy the free and sole use of their legacy; their share, whether male or female, to be equally divided amongst the legatees, that can claim their share. If any of the men die before 21 years, or if any of the women die before 18 years, they cannot have any claim or share." Executors - the Meeting, called Robins, in the County of Monmouth. Witnesses - Joel CHESHIRE, Joseph RIDGWAY, Thomas RIDGWAY. Proved Feb. 1, 1802. Lib. 39, p. 511. 1801, Dec. 16. At a meeting held in the Robins Meeting House, on said date, Edward TAYLOR and Samuel CRAFT, were appointed executors of the said MINGO's will. Minutes signed by John COOMBS, Jr., Elijah FIELD, George CRAFT, Sr., William SATTERTHWAITE, Jr., George WILLIAMS, Jediah HANCE, Joel CHESHIRE. 1802, Jan. 29. Inventory, L685.1.4 1/2; made by James COMBS and Samuel IMLAY. File 8500 M. ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program.