Hi...my strategy is this. I call a known living relative and ask them for names of other relatives who might know something about the family tree. You might have to make a number of phone calls but along the way you tend to pick up little tidbits of information. If you don't know the name of a living relative, have a surname of interest that is not common and know of the locale where they were from, do a search at www.yahoo.com and click on People Search (if nothing else, do just the last name and the state) and start calling people on the list. It works best if the surname is somewhat uncommon. Good luck! Linda P.S. I'm from NJ...what's the surname? > > From: [email protected] > Date: 2007/08/22 Wed PM 12:58:10 EST > To: [email protected] > CC: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [NJ] Glasshouses in NJ > > Yup, Yes and it happens > > > Has anyone on the list ever tracked their genealogy and then found a > descendant living?? I am trying to do this with New Jersey right now and live in > California.? I'm just wondering if anyone had a particular strategy or not.? Thanks > > > > ************************************** > Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at > http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thank you Joan. I never thought of him as a glassblower but rather a laborer. His inventory was not anything that would indicate that. It was farming things. He could have working with the wood and keeping the fires going...I really don't know...only know that he was there for a certain amt of time. [email protected] wrote: In a message dated 8/21/2007 8:13:52 PM Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Well, there is good old Martin Miller. He had two more children after moving to NJ Joseph in 1781 and James in 1782 (or visa versa). There were more children after 1782 but no records of birth, baptism, etc. Only know of these children because they were in the Will and found in Orphan's Court. The other that may or may not be of interest is Mathias (Matthew) Miller who is found in NJ Mission, too. Were there other glasshouses? Thanks, Pat ---- Pat- Oh right--I remember now. Wasn't associating your latest query with the previous discussion. Question: was there anything in Martin MILLER's estate papers (inventory, etc.) that definitely tied Martin MILLER to glassmaking? The reason I ask is that plenty of people were employed at the glasshouse who really were not glassblowers. And these people may have stayed or migrated just about anyplace. Some were carpenters who helped build the factory and others were general laborers. There were actually not that many master glassblowers. Over the years I've been in contact with some who moved down to Maryland after Wistarburgh closed and others who did not continue on in glassmaking. There were many glass factories in NJ after the closing of Wistarburgh and you can find information if you Google on Glass Factories and New Jersey. Some are mentioned here: http://www.getnj.com/njags/tours/tour33.shtml and here: http://www.glassboroonline.com/history_glassboro.html Joan ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks on Yahoo! TV.

In a message dated 8/21/2007 8:13:52 PM Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Well, there is good old Martin Miller. He had two more children after moving to NJ Joseph in 1781 and James in 1782 (or visa versa). There were more children after 1782 but no records of birth, baptism, etc. Only know of these children because they were in the Will and found in Orphan's Court. The other that may or may not be of interest is Mathias (Matthew) Miller who is found in NJ Mission, too. Were there other glasshouses? Thanks, Pat ---- Pat- Oh right--I remember now. Wasn't associating your latest query with the previous discussion. Question: was there anything in Martin MILLER's estate papers (inventory, etc.) that definitely tied Martin MILLER to glassmaking? The reason I ask is that plenty of people were employed at the glasshouse who really were not glassblowers. And these people may have stayed or migrated just about anyplace. Some were carpenters who helped build the factory and others were general laborers. There were actually not that many master glassblowers. Over the years I've been in contact with some who moved down to Maryland after Wistarburgh closed and others who did not continue on in glassmaking. There were many glass factories in NJ after the closing of Wistarburgh and you can find information if you Google on Glass Factories and New Jersey. Some are mentioned here: http://www.getnj.com/njags/tours/tour33.shtml and here: http://www.glassboroonline.com/history_glassboro.html Joan ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour

Well, there is good old Martin Miller. He had two more children after moving to NJ Joseph in 1781 and James in 1782 (or visa versa). There were more children after 1782 but no records of birth, baptism, etc. Only know of these children because they were in the Will and found in Orphan's Court. The other that may or may not be of interest is Mathias (Matthew) Miller who is found in NJ Mission, too. Were there other glasshouses? Thanks, Pat [email protected] wrote: In a message dated 8/21/2007 2:27:38 PM Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Hello, I do know of Wistar's glasshouse in Salem County from the 1700's. In reading I found the employees at this glasshouse closure in 1782 went to other glasshouses in NJ. Tried google and got a lot of people shouldn't live in glasshouses. Does anyone know of anymore glasshouse open at 1782? Thank you so much. Pat Pat- They didn't necessarily move to other glasshouses in NJ. Many moved elsewhere. What names are you looking for? When did they work at Wistarburg? Most of the Wistarburg workers can be found in the records of either Friesburg Lutheran Church or the Catholic "NJ Mission" records from Goshenhoppen and Old St. Joesph's in Philly. Joan ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Got a little couch potato? Check out fun summer activities for kids.

In a message dated 8/21/2007 2:27:38 PM Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Hello, I do know of Wistar's glasshouse in Salem County from the 1700's. In reading I found the employees at this glasshouse closure in 1782 went to other glasshouses in NJ. Tried google and got a lot of people shouldn't live in glasshouses. Does anyone know of anymore glasshouse open at 1782? Thank you so much. Pat Pat- They didn't necessarily move to other glasshouses in NJ. Many moved elsewhere. What names are you looking for? When did they work at Wistarburg? Most of the Wistarburg workers can be found in the records of either Friesburg Lutheran Church or the Catholic "NJ Mission" records from Goshenhoppen and Old St. Joesph's in Philly. Joan ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour

Hi, Most of you are contacts for genealogy research, but not all. Sometime today, I will be changed over to Comcast and will have a new e-mail address - something along the lines of [email protected] Just letting you know, so that I will not be blocked or that you will not delete e-mails from me. Once I get the new address, I will send out a group mailing. To my genealogy friends, my husband died in late July and I have been absent from the NJ rootsweb board for some time, but hope to be back, and more active, soon. Thanks so much. Barbara ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour

Hello, I do know of Wistar's glasshouse in Salem County from the 1700's. In reading I found the employees at this glasshouse closure in 1782 went to other glasshouses in NJ. Tried google and got a lot of people shouldn't live in glasshouses. Does anyone know of anymore glasshouse open at 1782? Thank you so much. Pat --------------------------------- Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online.

Hi all. I have the following cd, which I am willing to do some lookups from. Revolutionary War Pensions Lists, Military Records. Contains images from 12 volumes of Revolutionary War pension records. Contains information on approximately 110,000 individuals. Some types of information that “may” be included is… Name and Rank, Regiment and description of service, Place of residence, Nature of wounds or disability, Date of death, Occasional reference to family members. Please send any requests for a lookup from this cd to me at HYPERLINK "HYPERLINK "mailto:[email protected]"mailto:[email protected]"[email protected] nes.com . Please be sure to put "Rev. War Pension Lists" in the subject line of your message. Please include the first and last name the birth date if known and the death date if known also the spouses name if known. Even if you are not certain that your ancestor served during the Rev. War, you may still feel free to ask for a lookup, as long as you know the person would have been of age to have served in the war. Scott Wolfe 1421 Hampton Ct. New Castle, IN 47362 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.12.0/959 - Release Date: 8/17/2007 5:43 PM

Lou, Was the family from the Woodbridge area? Also, did Mary marry and to whom was she married to? If you can give us a little more to go on we might be better able to assist you. Stephanie ----- Original Message ----- From: "LOUIS MICHAEL BARSI" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 3:35 PM Subject: [NJ] (no subject) > DOES ANY ONE KNOW OF A MARY REMAK BORN IN NEW JERSEY ABOUT 1920. HER > PARENTS WERE PROBABLY MARY REMAK BORN IN HUNGARY BETWEEN 1895 AND 1899 AND > JOHN REMAK BIRTH DATE AND PLACE UNKNOWN. LOU BARSI.

Have you checked at your local nearest LDS Family history Library Center, for the 1930 census?? There is this family listed: John, father, age 40 Mary, Mother, age 32/33 cannot quite read the numbers. Mary, dau, age 10 Margaret, age 8 Helen, age 5. They are on the 1930 census for Indiana, Lake, East Chicago. But they are listed as all born in Hungaria. It does tie in with the right dates for Mary, But not the birth place. Since you are in this time frame, have you checked with Ellis Island Records of Immigration. It says that John came in 1907, and Mary, his wife, came in 1913. I am not real familiar with maps of the New Jersey/New York harbor area, but might be they?? Maybe this helps a little, unless. . . . . . . . cw ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour

Allentown, N.J. its Rise and Progress (Part 47) _http://www.packetonline.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=18706875&BRD=1091&PAG=461&dept_id=456072&rfi=6_ (http://www.packetonline.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=18706875&BRD=1091&PAG=461&dept_id=456072&rfi=6) and part 46 if you missed it is on this site: _http://www.packetonline.com/site/news.cfm?brd=1091&pag=460&dept_id=425686&nr=1&nostat=1_ (http://www.packetonline.com/site/news.cfm?brd=1091&pag=460&dept_id=425686&nr=1&nostat=1) The following early history of the "Brick Store," located at 18 S. Main St., adjacent to the Library, is from C.R. Hutchinson's "Allentown, Its Rise and Progress." Advertisement May 1, 1821, Josiah Woodward, Samuel Cooke Newell and James S. Lawrence, all of the township of Upper Freehold, &c, conveyed to Robert Montgomery of the same: "Whereas Robert DeBow, of Allentown aforesaid, by deed August 26, 1819, conveyed to the said parties of the first part amongst other things, certain lands, tenements, &c, in trust, and whereas the said parties of the first part did advertise the said granted premises for sale by way of public auction on the twenty eighth day of March last part, and did on that day put up the same, &c, whereupon the said Robert Montgomery being the highest bidder for the said lots, pieces or parcels of land, became the purchaser thereof for the price or sum on $3,671. Now this Indenture further witnesseth that the said parties of the first part, x x x convey: All those several lots, pieces, or parcels of land, situate at Allentown, &c: The First, Beginning at the southeast corner of the brick store [18 S. Main St.], in Allentown aforesaid, erected by the said Robert DeBow, and running N 41 degrees, 20' W 4 [chains], 93 [links], to a stone: Thence N 49 ½ degrees E 2, 80 to a stone by the side of Paine [Church] Street: Thence along the same N 46 degrees, W, 1 chain to a stone: Thence S 49 ½ W 3, 17 to a stone: Thence N 41 degrees W 4, 16 to land of Asher Borden: Thence along his line, S 49 degrees, W 1 chain to the corner of Joseph Robbins's lands: Thence along his line, S 41 ¼ degrees E 6, 55 to the corner of Joseph Robbins's barn: Thence N 49 ¾ degrees, E 48 links to a stone at the corner of the barn on the said lot hereby conveyed: Thence S 43 ¼ degrees, E 3, 56 to the northerly line of the main street in Allentown aforesaid: and thence along the same N 47 degrees E 87 links to the place of beginning. The Second, being part of the real estate whereof Samuel Quay died seized, which upon a map thereof is distinguished as Lots No.2&3, Beginning at a stone corner planted in the street aforesaid, which is also a corner to the Tavern Lot, No. 1: Thence along the line of said Lot No.1 N 43 degrees W 9, 06 to a stone for a corner, which is also a corner to Lot No.4: Thence S 43 degrees E 9, 18 to the street: Thence along the street N 53 ¾ degrees E 2 chains to the place of beginning. The Third, Beginning at a stone standing on the south side of the street or road in Allentown commonly called Maiden Lane, being the northeasterly corner of a lot late of John Hughes, and running thence along the line thereof S 44 ¼ degrees E 4, 59 to a stone corner to land late of Samuel Quay: Thence along the line thereof N 75 ¼ degrees E 2 chains to a stone, corner to land of the said John Hughes: Thence along his line N 44 degrees 35' W 4, 53 to a stone standing in the said road or street: and thence along the same S 76 degrees 40' W 2 chains to the beginning; containing 78/100 of an acre, be the same more or less." Witnessed by Nath'l Britton, Graham Newell. Acknowledged before Nath'l Britton. Lots No.1 and No.2 in the advertisement of Robert DeBow's real estate were evidently the brick store and adjoining dwelling [20-22 S. Main St.], now [1914] owned by E.B. & B.F. Rogers. The survey of this property in the deed to Robert Montgomery included a lot on Paine Street, which appears to have been the "No.4" mentioned in said advertisement, apparently the premises north of the Grange Hall, where Annette Imlay formerly lived, now owned by Daniel Polhemus and occupied (in 1914) by Wilson Merrick [28 Church St.]. The advertisement says that in 1820 there was on this lot "a new frame house, suitable for a small family." In 1855, Josiah Hewes Gill lived there and managed the brick store for his brother, Bennington Gill, of Eglinton [former Montgomery estate near intersection of Rts.539 & 524]. I was employed in the store and went to this house for my meals, sleeping in a room over the store. After Mr. Gill removed to Philadelphia in the spring of 1856 it was occupied by Joseph Imlay, and by his family after him, of whom Annette was the last in this locality. Lot No.3, in said advertisement could have been no other than the brick dwelling now in the possession of the Misses Newell, which adjoins that on the brick store property and is likely to have been built by Robert DeBow, since they are practically one building. Nathaniel Britton kept store there at somewhere about that time, and afterward it was occupied by Gabriel Allen as a tavern. In 1842, it was a dwelling, and Jacob Ford lived there and carried on coopering [barrel making] in his shop in the rear. He removed to Bordentown, where he kept a store for many years. The two building lots on Main Street, designated in said advertisement as No.5 and in the deed to Robert Montgomery as Nos.2&3 of Samuel Quay's lands, are now in the possession of Mrs. Catherine I. Tilton [Hutchinson later marked this an "Error"]: Lot No.4 being that on which her residence is located, and Lot.3 (still vacant) adjoining it easterly, her easterly line being the westerly line of the old "Brick Tavern" lot [another "Error"]. Lot No.6 "with a stream of water running through it," the third of the lots sold to Robert Montgomery, appears to be a part of the premises formerly owned by Isaac Rogers, latley sold by Joshua N. Carr to Virginia W. Schooley. Its actual contents were 78/100 of an acre, and it was bounded northerly by old Shrewsbury Road and westerly by the premises now of Catharine Rock, which was the John Hughes lot. December 18, 1834, Samuel C. Newell and James M. DeBow, executors of Robert Montgomery, deceased, executed and agreement to sell to Charles Bodine of Allentown, &c, for $2,500, "a certain dwelling house, store, store house and lot of land, with the outbuildings and appurtenances, situate in the village of Allentown aforesaid, and partly occupied by the said Charles Bodine, and partly occupied by David McKean." The said Charles Bodine agreed to pay $1,500, "on the first day of April next," and give a mortgage for remaining $1,000. After the sale of Robert DeBow's real estate in 1820, the brick store was carried on for a time by David McKean and Samuel C. Newell, under the firm name of McKean & Newell, and then by David McKean alone until 1835, when he was succeeded by Charles Bodine as above mentioned, and removed to his own brick building, now part of the Idell property [31 N. Main St.]. How long Bodine remained I do not know. He was succeeded by one Stephen Rose, and he, in 1846, by Benjamin P. Shreve and Samuel C. Davis as Shreve & Davis until 1849: then Samuel C. Davis until 1852. He was followed by the firm of Stagg & Gill: Theodore Stagg of New York and Bennington Gill of Eglinton, both of whom were son's in law of Samuel C. Newell. This firm dissolved in the spring of 1855, and Mr. Gill continued the business for one year, the sold out to Stagg, who, after two or three years went to farming. Then came Theodore N. Crawford, A. Bergen Vannest, who disappeared, and William J. Hendrickson, who sunk a fortune there. Up to this time it had been a general store, and the business had been generally unsuccessful. Afterward, it was occupied for several years by William H. Rorer as a hardware store and tin shop, and is now occupied for that purpose by the Albert Nelson Company as a part of their plant across the street. Historically Speaking is a regular column presented by John Fabiano, MA, designated historian for Allentown Borough. ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour

Good morning all Several days ago David posted several questions regarding the calendar change of 1752, leap year, etc. I dug through my files and found the following article written by William Dollarhide. It doesn't say when or where it was published, but it sheds light on David's questions. If you aren't confused by the time you finish, you should be. I certainly was. If this doesn't come through, let me know and I'll try again. "The 1752 Calendar Change in North America" by William Dollarhide Genealogically, dates are critical in confirming that a person lived at a certain time, fathered children at a certain time, or was born, married or died at a certain time. Therefore, if a date cannot be trusted, the genealogical event may not be valid. For example, if you have evidence that a man died 10 months before a certain child was born, it was seem to exclude that man as the potential father of that child. But, if the calendar dates changed during the man's life, it will be necessary to be very precise in determining the exact date of death - and he may qualify as the potential father after all. Therefore an understanding of the change from the Julian calendar to the Gregorian calendar is important to genealogists. If you had ancestors living under British rule in 1752, you need to be aware of the calendar change that took place that year. The dates you find on documents around 1752 and later might be different from what you would expect - in fact, you might discover that a date was off by several months. By an act of Parliament, the British government adopted the Gregorian calendar, effect September 1752, and the change was implemented in all of the British colonies in North America. The British were one of the last European countries to adopt the calendar change, which had been in place in most of Europe since 1582. In that year, Pope Gregory XIII decreed that the new calendar would be followed thereafter, and the change took place in all of the Catholic countries of Europe. 1582 Changes - Julian to Gregorian Calendar: Three significant calendar changes took place in 1582 as a result of Pope Gregory XIII's decree: 1. Drop 10 days from October 1582, to realign the Vernal Equinox with March 21st. The Julian calendar, first adopted by Julius Caesar for the Roman Empire in 45 BC, had an annual error factor of .00636 days. From 45 BC to 1582 AD, the correct day of the Vernal Equinox using the Julian calendar fell behind by 10 full days. 2. Reduce the number of possible leap years. In the Julian calendar, a leap year occurred every four years. By reducing the number of leap years, the Gregorian calendar was able to more closely align the Vernal Equinox over centuries. The change was to make leap years for years ending in "00", but only if the number could be divided evenly by 400. The year 2000 was a leap year (2000/400 = 5), while the year 1900 was not (1900/400 = 4.75). 3. Change the first day of the year from March 25th to January 1st. This was the most dramatic change from the Julian to Gregorian calendar. Traditionally, the new year was determined by the beginning of the four seasons, and through several centuries the first day of Spring in the Julian calendar was on or about March 25th. The Protestant countries of Europe did not go along with Pope Gregory's decree in 1582. The lowland regions of Belgium (then part of Holland) and the northern German states, for example, were made up of Protestant Palatines, Calvinists, or Lutherans. These groups did not adopt the Gregorian calendar until 1700. The British Adopt the New Calendar: By the time the British finally adopted the new calendar in 1752, the correction needed to bring the Vernal Equinox back into alignment was 11 days. Britain's parliament chose to drop 11 days from the month of September 1752, eliminating days 3 5o 13. Thus, the first week in September 1752 jumped from Wednesday 2nd to Thursday 14th. They also declared that the first day of 1752 would be January 1st, making the English year of 1752 its shortest in history, only 280 days long. George Washington's Birthday: Today, we use the Gregorian calendar to determine George Washington's birthday, which took place in Westmoreland County, Virginia, on 22 February 1732. But at the time of his birth the Julian calendar was in effect, and the first day of the year was March 25th, not January 1st, so he was born 22 February 1731. His mother, Mary Ball Washington, lived her entire life believing her son was born on 22 February 1731. (She lived to see her son's inauguration as President in April 1789, but died later that year.) Double Dating: Right after the calendar change took place in British territory, people began writing days between January 1st and March 25th both ways, reflecting the "Old Style (O.S.) and the "New Style" (N.S.), which genealogists may find indicated in old records from September 1752 forward. George Washington may have indicated his date of birth in a letter written after September 1752 by writing February 22, 1731/2 of "double dating." Double dating applies to a date between January 1st and March 25th. As a genealogist any date you find in the old records before 1752 - and between January 1st and March 24th, inclusive - should be expressed as a double date. The authors of the documents did not do it for you in most cases. There may have been some anticipation of the calendar change in British North America before 1752, but in most cases, finding a date written as 22 February 1731/2 is rare. What was written was the Julian date of 22 February 1731. After 1752, the use of double dating was widespread in the old documents. Check the Dates! For genealogists researching in British North American records before 1752, any date found on a document and dated January 1st through March 24th is one year off. Let's say you find a will for your great-great-great-grandfather, dated 12 March 1734. But by being a good genealogist, you will find another will, or codicil, which changes the first will. Your ancestor left two documents, one giving everything to his five sons. But the second document was dated 27 Marcy 1735, and you think you have learned that your ancestor died after the second document was signed, or about a year after the first will. The fact is, before the first of the new year, which occurred on March 25th. So March 27th was in 1735, but only 15 days later than March 12, 1734. In the Julian calendar, March 24, 1734 was followed by March 25, 1735. March was also identified as the First Month, so a date may be expressed in records before 1752 in various ways, such as 1st-3-1734, 3-1st -1734, or even 3-7ber-1734, or 3-8ber 1734 for September and October. The Latin names for some months relate to their position in the Julian calendar, not the Gregorian calendar. Thus, October, which is a word based on the Latin number eight (octo), makes sense in the old Julian calendar but not in the current one, where October is the 10th month. Exceptions in North America: Genealogists should be aware that certain groups in early America may have adopted the Gregorian calendar before 1752, even in British=controlled territory. Thus, which a Reformed Church record in a German settlement in America is used for genealogical research, the date needs to be confirmed - were those Germans using the Gregorian calendar of Julian calendar? For example, the Protestant Palatine Germans had adopted the Gregorian calendar in 1700, well before their migration to America. Other non-British ethic groups setting in America before 17542 may have already adapted the Gregorian calendar. Dutch settlers along the Hudson River in New York and northern New Jersey were already using the Gregorian calendar when they came to America. After 1660, which the English took over the Dutch settlements, the civil and church recorders of the Dutch towns continued the use of the Gregorian calendar, even though the British governed their settlements and had not yet adopted the Gregorian calendar. Since most of Holland had been using the new calendar since 1583, it had become their standard for calendar dating long before they came to America. Quaker Dates: The English Quakers who migrated to the Delaware Valley from about 1675 to 1725 left good indications of the Julian calendar in their Meeting records. In keeping with the Quakers' desire to divest themselves of any practice of the Church of England, they did not like to use the names of the months (which were mostly named after pagan gods by the Romans). So the Quakers created their own way of expressing a month, as the 1st month, 2nd month, 3rd month, and so on. In written Quaker Meeting records, a date was almost always shown in the order of year, month, and day, e.g. 1732, 3rd mo, 24th day. What is most interesting is that some Quaker records before 1752 show double dating, e.g. 1746/7. Whey the Quakers were double dating years before 1752 is not known, but it clearly means they were recognizing both the old style and new style dating. Therefore, before September 1752, when any Quaker date includes a reference to a month by its numbered position, genealogists must count the months in the Julian calendar, not the Gregorian, e.g. 1746, 3rd mo, 28th day, would translate to 28 May 1746 in the Julian calendar. After September 1752, the Quakers, like other Americans, began writing their dates based on the Gregorian calendar, but adding double dates for the year, e.g. 1755/6 3rd mo, 22nd day, which would be the same as 22 March 1756. In some cases, confusion about whether a Quaker date is Julian or Gregorian needs to be confirmed by looking at many dates recorded in the same record book. For example, if a genealogist finds a Quaker date expressed as the 7th month, 31st day, you would know that it refers to July, the 7th month in the Gregorian calendar, which indeed has 31 days; while an indication of the 7th month in the Julian calendar would represent the month of September, a month with 30 days.

Maybe this additional information will help with suggestions: I do remember that his grandmother Annie (nickname Nannie) after she died had canceled checks to the foster parents. My father's grandfather Thomas led my father to his mother after Annie died. Below is the information which I have on my family members. I still appreciate any help that anyone can give me with this brick wall. Oh, my father was in the marine corps about 25 years. Mary Beatrice COOPER: She was born on 22-JUN-1919 in Granville, North Carolina, and she died on 28-SEP-1982 in Montclair, Essex, New Jersey. She married Jessie David PARISH on 13-JAN-1943 in Montclair, NJ (Essex County), and had the following children: Marvin (1942), Laverne (1948), Janice (1951), and Gregory (1957). Her parents were Thomas V. COOPER (b. 12-MAR-1886 in Oxford, Granville, North Carolina, d. 31-OCT-1982 in Montclair, Essex, New Jersey, United States of America), and Annie M. REAVIS (b. 1893 in Warrenton, North Carolina (Warren County), d. about 1957 in Montclair, Essex, New Jersey). Marvin Thomas COOPER: He was born on 4-MAR-1942 in Atlantic City, New Jersey. He married Dewane BRADLEY on 7-MAR-1964 in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, and had the following child: Anna (1964). Unknown and Mary Beatrice COOPER (b. 22-JUN-1919 in Granville, North Carolina, d. 28-SEP-1982 in Montclair, Essex, New Jersey) were his parents. Thomas V. COOPER: He was born on 12-MAR-1886 in Oxford, Granville, North Carolina, and he died on 31-OCT-1982 in Montclair, Essex, New Jersey, United States of America. He married Estella WILKERSON on 1908 in Oxford, Granville, North Carolina, and had the following child: Unknown . He married Annie M. REAVIS on 5-NOV-1912 in Oxford, Granville Co, NC, and had the following children: Roy (1914), Mary (1919), and Thomas (1922). He married Ethie MARSHALL on 1966. His parents were Russell COOPER (b. 1853 in Granville, North Carolina, d. BEF. 1898 in Granville, North Carolina), and Ada Virginia DAY (b. 1857 in Granville, North Carolina, d. 1920). Annie M. REAVIS: She was born in 1893 in Warrenton, North Carolina (Warren County), and she died in about 1957 in Montclair, Essex, New Jersey. She married Thomas V. COOPER on 5-NOV-1912 in Oxford, Granville Co, NC, and had the following children: Roy (1914), Mary (1919), and Thomas (1922). Thanks so much. Anna ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anna's Genealogy" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 5:08 PM Subject: [NJ] Seeking help: Marvin Cooper Atlantic City New Jersey > Hi, > > I have a brick wall and I welcome any suggestions on how to find info, if > it exists. > > My father's name is Marvin Cooper, born 4 March 1942, mother Mary Cooper > (Parish), father unknown. I would love suggestions on how to find his > father. He says his mother didn't tell him, nor her husband who the > father was. Mary's mother made her put my father in foster care. His > foster parents are Benjamin and Lois Harris. He said until he started to > go to school, he was known as Jerry Harris. When he went to school he was > officially known as Marvin Thomas Cooper. He says his father's name isn't > on his birth certificate. Any suggestions on how to find out who his > father was, or is that information just lost because she never told anyone > that we know of. > > Thanks for any help anyone can give me. > > > Anna Adams > > Anna Adams > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message

I am sure this is a "private" message. Ann In a message dated 8/16/2007 5:00:26 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Things here are back to normal, but I haven't started back at the gym yet. I was really tired and sore for some reason when I got home, so I've just been lounging around, doing laundry etc. I did swing by the liquor store this afternoon and I picked up the divided boxes I need to send the glass. I'm also going to use a lot of packing material too. II went to Linen and Things this afternoon to get 3 small things......I ended up with a new pillow ( mine is at least 15 years old and very brown and yucky looking). I also got the memory foam bed topper....that should feel very nice and cozy, a new lamp to put on the table I got from Target ( next to my chair), and I splurged on an air filtration machine. I had that $20 off thing that comes in the mail. Carol called me this morning to tell me that her mother died in her sleep last night.....what a nice way to go. Carol is not upset by this because she hasn't seen or talked to her mother since about January. She did see her last month on Carol's trip to Michigan when her nephew got married. At that time Carol said that her mother looked really old and sick......Carol did go and give her a hug and they had a few words but no conversation. Now all of Carol's mom's stuff will go to the step dad that all of the kids hate. He is living in the condo of Carol's grandmother, as well as the money for the lake house in Michigan. It will be interesting to see how things go with this situation with Carol, her sister, brother and Step Dad. I still have more stuff to bring upstairs and then I want to go to the "walking pool" that is heated for a while. Maybe that will take away some of the aches and pains I'm having. When are you expecting Paul to get home? I talked to the shrink about my weepy spells while flying. I think I'm in a totally different place now with my felling's about losing Frank. I still miss him a lot, but now I think about the life that he missed out on, falling in love, getting married, having kids. I'm sad for you too, because you are missing out on these things T.....and the kids missed out having cousins. Our family is soooo small. I just wish Paul would let me be part of HIS family with HIM. If he just wanted me to come a visit with all of you and do things together. It would mean a lot to me. You don't know how much just getting a hug from him would mean to me, instead of saying " well, it looks like Nana's here", making me feel like the wicked witch . This is sooooooo un-normal for your kids to see.........I hate it! Even Karen asked me what's up with Paul and me and I don't have a clue!!!! I heard someone say yesterday on TV that every thing happens for a reason......and having Frank die is the reason that you and Paul are together and have the kids. If Frank had lived you and Paul would never have met, out side of Franks funeral. Everything would be different. In a split second something was taken from me and given to you in return. Don't you ever think about that? That does not make me sad...but makes me happy. I think you and Paul were meant to be together in life, don't you? I just wish he wouldn't shut me out. >From the comments that Ray made I wonder what Paul does say about me to other people. It would be different if I were a horrible person and a real pain in the ass, drinking and cussing up a storm, mean and nasty to other people but you know I'm not like that..... Enough of the soap box, time to run. Love, Mp, ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour

Hi, I have a brick wall and I welcome any suggestions on how to find info, if it exists. My father's name is Marvin Cooper, born 4 March 1942, mother Mary Cooper (Parish), father unknown. I would love suggestions on how to find his father. He says his mother didn't tell him, nor her husband who the father was. Mary's mother made her put my father in foster care. His foster parents are Benjamin and Lois Harris. He said until he started to go to school, he was known as Jerry Harris. When he went to school he was officially known as Marvin Thomas Cooper. He says his father's name isn't on his birth certificate. Any suggestions on how to find out who his father was, or is that information just lost because she never told anyone that we know of. Thanks for any help anyone can give me. Anna Adams Anna Adams

Things here are back to normal, but I haven't started back at the gym yet. I was really tired and sore for some reason when I got home, so I've just been lounging around, doing laundry etc. I did swing by the liquor store this afternoon and I picked up the divided boxes I need to send the glass. I'm also going to use a lot of packing material too. II went to Linen and Things this afternoon to get 3 small things......I ended up with a new pillow ( mine is at least 15 years old and very brown and yucky looking). I also got the memory foam bed topper....that should feel very nice and cozy, a new lamp to put on the table I got from Target ( next to my chair), and I splurged on an air filtration machine. I had that $20 off thing that comes in the mail. Carol called me this morning to tell me that her mother died in her sleep last night.....what a nice way to go. Carol is not upset by this because she hasn't seen or talked to her mother since about January. She did see her last month on Carol's trip to Michigan when her nephew got married. At that time Carol said that her mother looked really old and sick......Carol did go and give her a hug and they had a few words but no conversation. Now all of Carol's mom's stuff will go to the step dad that all of the kids hate. He is living in the condo of Carol's grandmother, as well as the money for the lake house in Michigan. It will be interesting to see how things go with this situation with Carol, her sister, brother and Step Dad. I still have more stuff to bring upstairs and then I want to go to the "walking pool" that is heated for a while. Maybe that will take away some of the aches and pains I'm having. When are you expecting Paul to get home? I talked to the shrink about my weepy spells while flying. I think I'm in a totally different place now with my felling's about losing Frank. I still miss him a lot, but now I think about the life that he missed out on, falling in love, getting married, having kids. I'm sad for you too, because you are missing out on these things T.....and the kids missed out having cousins. Our family is soooo small. I just wish Paul would let me be part of HIS family with HIM. If he just wanted me to come a visit with all of you and do things together. It would mean a lot to me. You don't know how much just getting a hug from him would mean to me, instead of saying " well, it looks like Nana's here", making me feel like the wicked witch . This is sooooooo un-normal for your kids to see.........I hate it! Even Karen asked me what's up with Paul and me and I don't have a clue!!!! I heard someone say yesterday on TV that every thing happens for a reason......and having Frank die is the reason that you and Paul are together and have the kids. If Frank had lived you and Paul would never have met, out side of Franks funeral. Everything would be different. In a split second something was taken from me and given to you in return. Don't you ever think about that? That does not make me sad...but makes me happy. I think you and Paul were meant to be together in life, don't you? I just wish he wouldn't shut me out. >From the comments that Ray made I wonder what Paul does say about me to other people. It would be different if I were a horrible person and a real pain in the ass, drinking and cussing up a storm, mean and nasty to other people but you know I'm not like that..... Enough of the soap box, time to run. Love, Mp, ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour

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Margie Campbell Campbell's http://www.lmcam1.com/ (under construction) NuStyle 2100 Visit my Webshots Albums http://community.webshots.com/user/margecam52 http://www.historicironmines.com/index.html Mines in NY & NJ. I am not familiar with NJ towns, and didn't see Alloway mentioned. Perhaps an email to the site host can give you an answer to both your questions. Marge Campbell http://www.Lmcam1.com Littlefield, TX > -----Original Message----- >---------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 16:09:52 -0700 (PDT) > From: Patricia Sterner <[email protected]> > Subject: [NJ] Iron Mine > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > Can anyone tell me if there was an Iron Mine in Salem County > or near to it (say in line with Alloway? If so what would > it's name be? > Thank you, > Pat > > > > -------------------- > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 16:12:03 -0700 (PDT) > From: Patricia Sterner <[email protected]> > Subject: [NJ] General Store Ledgers > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > Can anyone tell me where such records as the Ledgers of > General Stores for Workers of Iron Mines, Glass-house, etc.? > Thank you, > Pat > > > --------------------------------- > Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. >

Thank you. Much, much better. When I clicked on the other link it took me to a site to check criminal records. Thanks again. From: "MJ Mann" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 2:25 AM Subject: Re: [NJ] World Vital Records > When I go to http://worldvitalrecords.com > Their home page comes up. > Near the top, under the heading, there is a row of light blue boxes. > The one on the far left says "View all Databases". > > On 8/15/07, ECP <[email protected]> wrote: >> I don't see "View All Databases" >> >> MJ Mann <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> I don't subscribe >> You're able to look at what databases they have by just going to the >> site They seem to have more in some areas and a lot less in other >> areas. >> Just click on 'view all databases' and then dig around to see everything. >> You won't be able to 'search', but at least you'll see areas covered >> and timeframes, and have a clue as to whether they'll be helpful to >> you in your research. And, whether it would be 'worth it' to you to >> subscribe. >> >> Of course, the areas I'm interested in are among the 'lot less' group. >> So for me, not worth subscribing. Maybe in the future they'll add >> stuff I'd be interested in. I usually check back every couple of >> months. >> >> Maureen >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in >> the subject and the body of the message

When I go to http://worldvitalrecords.com Their home page comes up. Near the top, under the heading, there is a row of light blue boxes. The one on the far left says "View all Databases". On 8/15/07, ECP <[email protected]> wrote: > I don't see "View All Databases" > > MJ Mann <[email protected]> wrote: > > I don't subscribe > You're able to look at what databases they have by just going to the > site They seem to have more in some areas and a lot less in other > areas. > Just click on 'view all databases' and then dig around to see everything. > You won't be able to 'search', but at least you'll see areas covered > and timeframes, and have a clue as to whether they'll be helpful to > you in your research. And, whether it would be 'worth it' to you to > subscribe. > > Of course, the areas I'm interested in are among the 'lot less' group. > So for me, not worth subscribing. Maybe in the future they'll add > stuff I'd be interested in. I usually check back every couple of > months. > > Maureen > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > --------------------------------- > Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks on Yahoo! TV. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- NOTICE: This email message is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use,disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply mail and destroy all copies of the original message.