Thank you, Betty, for so many suggestions. I will certainly add them to my growing list. A passing question, I only hope I can make sense. I find I'm having a bit of trouble following some of the ideas/suggestions and I think it's because I'm missing some information. For example, are Red Cliff, Fond du Lac, Bois Forte the names of bands? What is the difference between a tribe and a band? Is Grand Portage a location and if so, is it in Wisconsin? Hmm. I guess I'm having troubles because I'm not familiar with the words, terms and places. Might I ask a good place to learn some background? I have a suspicion this is going to be like working on my Jewish ancestry and I needed to have a lot of historical and geographical background in order to find them. Jeanne ;=j On Sat, 6 Nov 2004 21:46:50 EST Pacqrat@aol.com wrote: ----------------------- Original Message ----------------------- > Hi Jeanne > > You might try checking out Red Cliff and Fond du Lac as well as the bands > mentioned by others. I have family connections in Superior, WI who were in > those bands. My direct line from Superior are now Bois Forte but around the time > your man was born, they were Fond du Lac. Finally, since the division into > separate bands is for the white man's convenience, on geography alone you > should check out Grand Portage as well. > > Another thing you might do is go to your friendly local Family History Center > and order Indian Census rolls (Ojibwe tribe). Some of those are microfilmed > up to 1940ish and if your man was indeed enrolled, you ought to be able to > find him that way. > > Contacting reservations directly probably won't get you very far since the > tribal/band officials are pretty busy with their regular duties and may be > suspicious of your motives; they're always being approached by would-be members who > want to be enrolled now in hopes of getting in on casino profits. > > Good luck. > > Betty Jack --------------------- Original Message Ends --------------------

I found your emails to be interesting but I missed the earlier ones apparently. What is your Remillard's full name? I will watch for it. I have five different tribal affiliations so have collected a lot of information over the years. Bits and Pieces here and there. I have Prairie du Chien WI information. No Wisconsin Indian Rolls but some Michigan ones. If my memory is right. I do believe seeing that name. The name stuck out because my parents new people by that name in Marquette, Michigan. There is a Remillard's Bar there that was associated with that family. Don't get discouraged doing Native American/Canadian Indian research as it does take years. I have been doing it 30 years and I am at a dead-end with five of my lines. I need information from the Lac Du Flambeau Tribe in Wisconsin for my father's side so if anyone has any connections for me, please let me know. Surnames: Isadore Lacoy/Lacaille and Charlotte Pemousse/Marche. Their first child was born Lac Courte Orielle, WI. The State Historical Society of Wisconsin is an excellent resource. They have been very helpful in my research. The address should be on their website. It's best to write them direct and address it to research services. Happy Hunting, Anita, Lady with Puckered Shoes. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeanne Gold" <Gold@Digging4Roots.com> To: <NISHNAWBE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, November 06, 2004 11:49 PM Subject: Re: [NISHNAWBE] Chippewa Research: Where does one start? > Thank you, Betty, for so many suggestions. I will certainly add them to my growing list. > > A passing question, I only hope I can make sense. I find I'm having a bit of trouble following some of the ideas/suggestions and I think it's because I'm missing some information. > > For example, are Red Cliff, Fond du Lac, Bois Forte the names of bands? What is the difference between a tribe and a band? Is Grand Portage a location and if so, is it in Wisconsin? > > Hmm. I guess I'm having troubles because I'm not familiar with the words, terms and places. Might I ask a good place to learn some background? > > I have a suspicion this is going to be like working on my Jewish ancestry and I needed to have a lot of historical and geographical background in order to find them. > > > Jeanne > ;=j > > > On Sat, 6 Nov 2004 21:46:50 EST Pacqrat@aol.com wrote: > ----------------------- Original Message ----------------------- > > Hi Jeanne > > > > You might try checking out Red Cliff and Fond du Lac as well as the bands > > mentioned by others. I have family connections in Superior, WI who were in > > those bands. My direct line from Superior are now Bois Forte but around the time > > your man was born, they were Fond du Lac. Finally, since the division into > > separate bands is for the white man's convenience, on geography alone you > > should check out Grand Portage as well. > > > > Another thing you might do is go to your friendly local Family History Center > > and order Indian Census rolls (Ojibwe tribe). Some of those are microfilmed > > up to 1940ish and if your man was indeed enrolled, you ought to be able to > > find him that way. > > > > Contacting reservations directly probably won't get you very far since the > > tribal/band officials are pretty busy with their regular duties and may be > > suspicious of your motives; they're always being approached by would-be members who > > want to be enrolled now in hopes of getting in on casino profits. > > > > Good luck. > > > > Betty Jack > > > --------------------- Original Message Ends -------------------- > > > > ============================== > OneWorldTree - The World's largest family tree. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13971/rd.ashx > >

> are Red Cliff, Fond du Lac, Bois Forte the names of bands? > What is the difference between a tribe and a band? Anishinaabe peoples historically lived in independent & autonomous bands of extended family / dodem. Band size was limited by the carrying capacity of their lands; bands could be larger where whitefish could be harvested, and where horticulture was possible, but generally ranged from a dozen to a few hundred. The American (and Canadian0 treaty systems imposed serious economic and political limitations. Bands found themselves confined to smaller hunting / harvesting areas which dramatically changed lifestyles in almost every respect, including the diminution of carrying capacity as a limiting factor of population. Politically, treaties were sometimes 'bargained' without real representation of the People affected, or without their subsequent consent, and often with the aid of alcohol & deals made in 'smoke filled wigwams' ... the idea of a Tribe or Nation is largely a 19th-century external imposition for the convenience of American treaty interests. Federal interests have never let go of their reliance on 'Tribe' or their insistence on racializing nDns, among other foibles ... Tribe has come to have different meaning in the 20th century, and nDn peoples have generally adapted to its use. Peoples who prefer to be recognized as Bands will probably tell you so on their website, or in their corporate name. To a genealogical researcher it doesn't make a lot of difference, but be aware that Anishinaabeg married out of their clans and there were few, if any, barriers to so-called 'inter-tribal' marriages and movements ... the ancestor you think of as a Potawatomi, for instance, may have been born of an Ojibwe and an Odawa. Be prepared for shifts and surprises. > Is Grand Portage a location and if so, is it in Wisconsin? Kitchi Onigaming or “the Great Carrying Place” was base for the North West Company on Grand Portage Bay (MN) from 1780 - 1802, at which time they relocated north to the mouth of the Kaministquia River where they constructed Fort William on British soil. Both were gateways into northern fur bearing country. Today there is as Grand Portage National Historic Site / Monument lying entirely within the Grand Portage Ojibwe Indian Reservation. regards - rdw