Hello Jeanne... Your dates for Charles BOTINEAU's wife sort of threw me for a loop. She can be found listed as Martha and/or Marguerite BOISCLAIR. The BOISCLAIR has been anglicized to CLEARWATER or CLEARSKY in some documents. I've found her father listed as SIOUX and her mother as OJIBWAY. F.Y.I. In Canada they use OJIBWAY and in the US CHIPPEWA. She was from the Lake-of-the-Woods area. BTW... The name BAUTINAU is generally found as BOTINEAU or BOTTINEAU (2 "T's") today. Although I have found it written phonetically as BATINO, BOTTINO, BOTTEANO, BOTNOW, and BATSINEAU (which is close to how a Francophone would say the name = BAH-TSEE-NO). <grin> I know... There's no "S" in the name but we French put one there. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ I found this on the net... BOTTINEAU, CHARLES =================== The following is translated from "Bulletin de la Societe historique de Saint-Boniface" - 1999-2000 - Numero 4 - ISSN 0384 0158 - Automne 2000 Charles Bottineau was born on the first and baptized on the second of May 1776 at Berthier-en-haut (Quebec), son of Pierre Bautinau and Angelique Fournaise. Pierre Bautinau was of the diocese of Nantes in Brittany. We haven't found the employment contract as a voyageur of Charles Bottineau. We found the first mention of it in the journal of Alexander Henry the younger , dated 3 October 1803 when a group of Henry's voyageurs set out for (Montagne du Poil) Hair Hills. «Charles Bottineau, with two horses and a cart loaded with 1 ½ packs, his own baggage, and two young children with kettles and other trash hanging on it. Madame Bottineau with a squalling infant on her back, scolding and tossing it about.» Charles Bottineau is named as a foreman voyageur (voyageur contremaitre) in the list of heads of household, clerks and voyageurs of the North West Fur company in 1804. He was in the Red River area. Alexander Henry notes on 18 October 1805, the death of a son of Bottineau, about seven years old, died «of a swelling of the belly and cositiveness. An hour before he expired the swelling disappeared entirely, and we were in hopes he would recover; clysters and purges had no effect whatever.» In the census of the Red River and Pembina in February 1814 we find Bottineau a free man with his wife, a son and five daughters. He may have had his marriage to Marguerite, an Ojibway Indian, validated or legalized at St. Boniface in 1820 after the arrival of the missionaries. On 7 July 1817, in the presence of William Bacheler Coltman, a special commissioner conducting an investigation into the troubles in the Red River region, Charles Bottineau gave the following deposition. Charles Bottineau having been sworn in says and declares at the end of 1814, two years after the colonists had arrived at the Red River, being a hunter for the North West company was ordered by Mr. Duncan Cameron and Alexander McDonell of the said company not to give any food to the colonists nor give them help in any manner even if they were dying of starvation. These two men made this order to apply to all other free Canadians of the Red River region and that there were only Dauphine and Tranchemontagne who refused to obey this order and were hired by the colony as hunters. That Plante, a free man, had on one occasion, given food to the English, had been punished for it and the North West company had seized his four horses and made him return to Montreal and never to allow him to rejoin his family. That in the same year of 1814, Mr. Duncan Cameron and Alexander McDonell ordered the deponent to take great pains to drive away the animals that might fall prey to the hunters employed by the colony either by hunting them or by scaring them away, that to this effect. The deponent was not to fear to have his horses killed and in case that happened, the company would give him others. That in the beginning of the year of 1815, the deponent was camped with several Metis and free men from Red River at Turtle River to hunt cows, that Bostois Pangman, interpreter for the North West company arrived at their camp to tell them that Captain McDonell, Governor of the colony was coming with 25 men to pillage their camp and that they should get ready to defend themselves. The deponent later learned that this was a lie that Mr. Duncan Cameron had invented to turn the free men against the colonists, however this report having been repeated so often that the free men and the Metis believed it and were determined to kill Captain McDonell if he came there.That the following summer after Governor McDonell had been made prisoner and the colonists driven from the Red River, Duncan Cameron ordered the deponent to set fire to the Hudson Bay company fort at the Pembina River. The deponent not having carried out this order, Mr. Alexander McDonell and Mr. Seraphin Lamar harshly reproached him for not having carried out this order. That in the summer of 1815, Mr. Duncan Cameron called together once more the free men of Red River and forbade them in a most forceful manner to give food to the English and it was they the free men were the reason the English remained at the Red River, that the deponent nevertheless was hired by Mr. Robertson as a hunter and hunted all winter for the colony. That after the disturbance of 19 Jun 1816, and after the English had been driven from the Red River, the deponent was mistreated by the people of the North West company because he had furnished food to the colonists and that Mr. Daniel McKenzie wanted to make him get in his canoe and forcefully take him back to Montreal. la marque X De Charles Bautinau Assermente a la Riviere Rouge le 7 Juillet 1817 devant moi (signe) W.B. Coltman In another deposition, dated 20 August 1817, Bottineau declared he arrived at Red River about 10 or 12 days after the death of Governor Semple. That he saw after his arrival at Red River, a man by the name of La Serpe, Antoine Hoole, Francois Deschamps, the father and Francois Deschamps, the son. That these persons mentioned above had boasted to have been involved in the 19 June 1816 affair when said Semple was killed. That said La Serpe had told the deponent that he killed two English in that affair with his own hands. That he had killed one of these English when they were together but he was obliged to run a long distance to reach the second he killed, that however he caught him near one of the colony's gardens close to the fort where he shot him. That said La Serpe had also shown to the deponent the remains of the persons he killed whose things he had in his little box and in which he also carried the clothes which he swore he removed from their bloody corpses. That after this time, that is, appoaching August 1816, said La Serpe told the deponent that he was determined to prevent the English from setting foot again in this country and that if the free Canadians didn't want to help them to plunder and drive out the English and kill them if they the English put up any defense, they themselves free Canadians would be driven out of the country. That in the end the said deponent and others were forced to promise to obey and do likewise but it was fear that forced them to make these promises and that Alexander McDonell, a partner in the North West company was present when La Serpe spoke as mentioned above and that he even heaped praise on said La Serpe. la marque X De Charles Bautinau Affirme a la Riviere Rouge de Ce 20em Aout 1817 devant moi (signe) W.B. Coltman The date of death of Charles Bottineau remains undiscovered. [Information provided by Al Dahlquist of the Little Canada Historical Society]. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeanne Gold" <Gold@Digging4Roots.com> To: <NISHNAWBE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 7:36 PM Subject: [NISHNAWBE] Chippewa Research: Where does one start? > In trying to help my step-son establish his Indian heritage for court > purposes, I came across a site pointing to this group and decided to > join. I've randomly read some of the messages, but don't see anything > suggesting where one should start researching. > > I've worked considerably on my family (Jewish) and somewhat on my > husband's (English) but have no idea where to begin with Indian > ancestry. > > I actually have a lot of data which was provided to me by other > researchers. However, what I need to do is validate the information. > > The primary connnection begins with my step-son's maternal > grandfather, Edward Richard Gorsuch. Family lore has it he attended > school as a child on a reservation. This would suggest he was on the > Indian rolls. > > Does anyone know how I can confirm that? > > If it's of any assistance, here's the relevant data I have: > > Edward Richard Gorsuch > b. 12/21/1929, Superior, Douglas Co., WI > d. 10/11/1999, Milwaukee, Milwaukee Co., WI > > father: Harry Otis Gorsuch > + Winifred Pippel > b. 11/04/1907 - 1908, Peoria, Peoria Co., IL > m. 06/21/1928 - 1929, Belvidere, Boone Co., IL > d. 04/10/1984, Green Lake, Green Lake Co., WI > > grandmother: Estella Laura "Stella" Mishler > + Richard Henry Gorsuch > b. 05/26/1880, Springbrook, Washburn Co., WI (though one source > insists VA) > m. 07/19/1901, Springbrook, Washburn Co., WI > d. 09/25/1953, Madison, Madison Co., WI > > great-grandmother: Louisa Anna McCann > + John Henry Mishler > b. 10/03/1850 - 1855, Jim Falls, Chippewa Co., WI > m. 11/19/1873 > d. 09/20/1930 > > 2x-grandmother: Margaret LaPointe > + Daniel McCann > b. 06/01/1820, Red River, Kewaunee Co., WI > m. 1848 > d. 11/08/1903 > > 3x-grandmother: Marie Emilie Bottineau > + Suplice LaPointe Desautels > b. 1779 > m. 1819, Red River, Kewaunee Co., WI > d. 1824 > > 4x-grandmother: Techomehgood > + Charles Bottineau > b. 1745 > m. 1779 > d. 1779 > > Since writing the above message on another group, I've learned it's possible some of the other lines may yield Indian heritage in order to have provided enough quantum for Edward Richard Gorsuch to have been on the rolls. > > If anyone else is researching any of these lines, I would also like to chat with you. > > Thank you for any suggestions you are able to offer. > > Jeanne Gold > ------- Snipped to save our database --------