Hi All, Still working on my stonewall with Josette De Rosier. Documents I have say that she was a member of Chief Pay Shaw Se Gay's Band of Grand River Ottawa where a list of the band is shown in the 1859 Grand River Ottawa annuity roll. The question I have is this. Would all members of the band be of the same clan and would tey have the same totem. Secondly could anyone advise me what the following names meant that appear on the above roll and which ones are men or women?. Ke She Go Pe Nay Se Mush Ke Aw Naw Quot Shay An Se No Quay Thanks for your help. Rod Greene
Since I really don't know the language I can't give you translations on the names, but can make a few comments. Most female names end with -quay/qua/que/kwe/guay which can translate as "woman". The Ke-she is like "gitchie" meaning great as in big or large or of primary importance - other spelling variations are Kay-che/Kay-she/Kay-zhe//Ke-che/Ke-she/Ke-zhe/Kishi. As to being of the same clan, that would be difficult to answer unless each individual has been researched. Originally the small band belonged to the same family or extended family, meeting or gathering a few times a year into the larger bands which would belong to the same clan. However after the white man came in with wars & diseases this was not usually the case. Small units refromed into larger groups, sometimes being related to one degree or another. Most bands in the 1850's probably were related to some degree or another within their tribe or group, ie. most of Pay-Shaw-Se-Gay's band probably were related, however I have never seen a study showing this situation. There are of course tribes getting Fed. recognition which may show relationship with everyone else in the tribe, but how many extend back the base roll of the tribe to see if all are related or not. If you decide to do this I would be very interested in seeing your results. Good luck, Jim. ----- Original Message ----- From: <RodGreene@aol.com> To: <NISHNAWBE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 21, 2005 2:33 PM Subject: Re: [NISHNAWBE] Re: Totems, Clans and Names > Hi All, > > Still working on my stonewall with Josette De Rosier. > > Documents I have say that she was a member of Chief Pay Shaw Se Gay's Band > of > Grand River Ottawa where a list of the band is shown in the 1859 Grand > River > Ottawa annuity roll. > > The question I have is this. Would all members of the band be of the same > clan and would tey have the same totem. > > Secondly could anyone advise me what the following names meant that appear > on > the above roll and which ones are men or women?. > > Ke She Go Pe Nay Se > > Mush Ke Aw Naw Quot > > Shay An Se No Quay > > Thanks for your help. > > Rod Greene > > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > >
Hello...I am confused as why I have been getting mail in my private box from you...and I supposedly your website. I have a native american website also on msn ......but dont undestand this...Can you help me here lol...blessings Annie "James P. LaLone" <jplalone@prodigy.net> wrote: Since I really don't know the language I can't give you translations on the <br>names, but can make a few comments. Most female names end <br>with -quay/qua/que/kwe/guay which can translate as "woman".<br><br>The Ke-she is like "gitchie" meaning great as in big or large or of primary <br>importance - other spelling variations are <br>Kay-che/Kay-she/Kay-zhe//Ke-che/Ke-she/Ke-zhe/Kishi.<br><br>As to being of the same clan, that would be difficult to answer unless each <br>individual has been researched. Originally the small band belonged to the <br>same family or extended family, meeting or gathering a few times a year into <br>the larger bands which would belong to the same clan. However after the <br>white man came in with wars & diseases this was not usually the case. Small <br>units refromed into larger groups, sometimes being related to one degree or <br>another.<br><br>Most bands in the 1850's probably were related! to some degree or another <br>within their tribe or group, ie. most of Pay-Shaw-Se-Gay's band probably <br>were related, however I have never seen a study showing this situation. <br>There are of course tribes getting Fed. recognition which may show <br>relationship with everyone else in the tribe, but how many extend back the <br>base roll of the tribe to see if all are related or not. If you decide to <br>do this I would be very interested in seeing your results.<br>Good luck, Jim.<br><br>----- Original Message ----- <br>From: <RodGreene@aol.com><br>To: <NISHNAWBE-L@rootsweb.com><br>Sent: Monday, February 21, 2005 2:33 PM<br>Subject: Re: [NISHNAWBE] Re: Totems, Clans and Names<br><br><br>> Hi All,<br>><br>> Still working on my stonewall with Josette De Rosier.<br>><br>> Documents I have say that she was a member of Chief Pay Shaw Se Gay's Band <br>> of<br>> Grand River Ottawa where a list of the band is shown in the 1859 Grand <br>> River<br>> Ottawa annuity roll.<br>><br>> The q! uestion I have is this. Would all members of the band be of the same<br>> clan and would tey have the same totem.<br>><br>> Secondly could anyone advise me what the following names meant that appear <br>> on<br>> the above roll and which ones are men or women?.<br>><br>> Ke She Go Pe Nay Se<br>><br>> Mush Ke Aw Naw Quot<br>><br>> Shay An Se No Quay<br>><br>> Thanks for your help.<br>><br>> Rod Greene<br>><br>><br>> ==============================<br>> Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more.<br>> Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: <br>> http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx<br>><br>> <br><br><br><br>==============================<br>Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the<br>last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx<br><br> Blessings , Annie Love. Peace, and Harmony to the lives I touch each day. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Easier than ever with enhanced search. Learn more.