Hi, I'm trying to figure out if two of my French Canadian lines had Native American connections in the upper Midwest, as my mother always claimed. I have two family names which show up in southern Louisiana, one (Morvant or Morvan) around 1750, and the other (Jolibois) around 1790. Both originated in Montreal. I have documentation that my ancestor Jean Morvan left Montreal in 1719, and was contracted ("engage ouest") to go to "les pays d'en haut." He was engaged by a fur trapper, and basically vanished from Quebec. His son, Bernard Morvant, first shows up in Louisiana about 1750. I have no idea who Jean Morvan married, and suspect he may have married a Native woman. No records have surfaced, and I was wondering whether anyone might know of any Morvan or Morvant records among Native families in the upper Midwest. The other is even stranger. My last proven ancestor, Philippe Jolibois, was married in 1793 in St. James Parish, Louisiana, and states that he is a native of Montreal. Who his parents are is uncertain; he gave one set of parents (Philippe Courtois dit Jolibois and Marie Rosa) on one document, and another (Francois Jolibois and Ursule Legrand) on another! Neither pair shows up anywhere that I've looked in Quebecois records, and I have some suspicion that he may have come down the Mississippi as well. Has anyone found any Jolibois records that might fit the bill? Any help would be greatly appreciated. cheers, Gordon Bonnet Trumansburg NY

A quik check of baptismal recaords in New Orleans shows as follows: Please note-spelling varies with each record Vol 3 covers 1772-1783 Morven, Jeanne(dau of Bernard and Anne Marie D'Ervin) b. Sept 25, 1774, born Sep 12, 1774, sponsores Antoine Delattre (Delate) and Marie Louis Morven Vol 4 covers 1784-1790 Morven, Maria Luisa(dau of Bernardo and Marie Dervine) married Noel Panvel, Oct 23, 1790. Morvan, Janete (dau of Bernard and Maria Derven) married *semts Sexneidre, October 18, 1791. Usually these records give the names of Grandparents and the parish where the parents originated, but these do not. However, New Orleans has great birth records that you can order that might provide more info. Maybe the above Barnard is the son of your Bernard. I'll check on the one from St. James Parish when I get home from work. Pam Hero ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gordon Bonnet" <jaggy227@fltg.net> To: <NISHNAWBE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2004 8:18 PM Subject: [NISHNAWBE] a quick question > Hi, > > I'm trying to figure out if two of my French Canadian lines had Native > American connections in the upper Midwest, as my mother always claimed. > I have two family names which show up in southern Louisiana, one > (Morvant or Morvan) around 1750, and the other (Jolibois) around 1790. > Both originated in Montreal. I have documentation that my ancestor Jean > Morvan left Montreal in 1719, and was contracted ("engage ouest") to go > to "les pays d'en haut." He was engaged by a fur trapper, and basically > vanished from Quebec. His son, Bernard Morvant, first shows up in > Louisiana about 1750. I have no idea who Jean Morvan married, and > suspect he may have married a Native woman. No records have surfaced, > and I was wondering whether anyone might know of any Morvan or Morvant > records among Native families in the upper Midwest. > > The other is even stranger. My last proven ancestor, Philippe Jolibois, > was married in 1793 in St. James Parish, Louisiana, and states that he > is a native of Montreal. Who his parents are is uncertain; he gave one > set of parents (Philippe Courtois dit Jolibois and Marie Rosa) on one > document, and another (Francois Jolibois and Ursule Legrand) on > another! Neither pair shows up anywhere that I've looked in Quebecois > records, and I have some suspicion that he may have come down the > Mississippi as well. Has anyone found any Jolibois records that might > fit the bill? > > Any help would be greatly appreciated. > > cheers, > > Gordon Bonnet > Trumansburg NY > > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >

More tidbits for you. Sacramental records VOl 7 Joly Bois Jose(son of Phelipe, native of Montreal in Canada, and Maria Luisa Charpantier, native of this city, both residents of this city), bapt. Mar. 21, 1802, born June 13, 1801, paternal grand parents Francisco Joly Bois and Ursula Legrand, maternal grandparents: Pedro Charpantier and Juana Mutard. Sacramental records Vol 6 Jolibois Bartolomeo (son of Felipo, native of Montreal in Canada, and Maria Luisa Charpentier, native of LaFource) bapt Jul 28, 1799, at age 3 months. Paternal grandparents: Francisco Jolibois and Ursula Legrand, maternal grandparents: Pedro Charpentier and Juana Moutard. the above were during Spanish rule of New Orleans, hence the change of spelling of first names. Vol 12 Jolie Bois (@Jolisbois) Philippe, edge-tool maker, interred April 10, 1816, deied April 9, 1816. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gordon Bonnet" <jaggy227@fltg.net> To: <NISHNAWBE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2004 8:18 PM Subject: [NISHNAWBE] a quick question > Hi, > > I'm trying to figure out if two of my French Canadian lines had Native > American connections in the upper Midwest, as my mother always claimed. > I have two family names which show up in southern Louisiana, one > (Morvant or Morvan) around 1750, and the other (Jolibois) around 1790. > Both originated in Montreal. I have documentation that my ancestor Jean > Morvan left Montreal in 1719, and was contracted ("engage ouest") to go > to "les pays d'en haut." He was engaged by a fur trapper, and basically > vanished from Quebec. His son, Bernard Morvant, first shows up in > Louisiana about 1750. I have no idea who Jean Morvan married, and > suspect he may have married a Native woman. No records have surfaced, > and I was wondering whether anyone might know of any Morvan or Morvant > records among Native families in the upper Midwest. > > The other is even stranger. My last proven ancestor, Philippe Jolibois, > was married in 1793 in St. James Parish, Louisiana, and states that he > is a native of Montreal. Who his parents are is uncertain; he gave one > set of parents (Philippe Courtois dit Jolibois and Marie Rosa) on one > document, and another (Francois Jolibois and Ursule Legrand) on > another! Neither pair shows up anywhere that I've looked in Quebecois > records, and I have some suspicion that he may have come down the > Mississippi as well. Has anyone found any Jolibois records that might > fit the bill? > > Any help would be greatly appreciated. > > cheers, > > Gordon Bonnet > Trumansburg NY > > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >

Info on Charpentier Vol 3 Charpentie de La Buardieere Marie Louise (daug of Pierre and Jeanne Moutard) bapt Sep 21, 1773, born Apr 6, 1773. Vol 2 has 7 siblings of the above if you are interested Civil Registration of Orleans Parish has the following (maybe they tie in, maybe not) Courtois, Alice (dau of Jaques Simon Courtois, native of Bordeaux in the Kindom of France, a clock-maker, residing in New Orleans on St. Ann Street between Conde and Royal Streets and Marianne Romer, native of Blamont in Lorraine, 20 years old0; born at 3 A.M. on February 14, 1833; recorded on May 16,1833. Jobilois Elizabeth born JAZAN (daughter of Gabriel Jazan and Eurenie Baptiste Mallorquin; wife of Agustin Jolibois, born in Orleans Parish on July 6, 1807, 21 years old; died at 5:30 AM on July 1, 1829 at her domicile on Bagatelle Street between Peace and Esplanade Streets. Maybe one day the pieces will all fit together. Pam Hero ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gordon Bonnet" <jaggy227@fltg.net> To: <NISHNAWBE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2004 8:18 PM Subject: [NISHNAWBE] a quick question > Hi, > > I'm trying to figure out if two of my French Canadian lines had Native > American connections in the upper Midwest, as my mother always claimed. > I have two family names which show up in southern Louisiana, one > (Morvant or Morvan) around 1750, and the other (Jolibois) around 1790. > Both originated in Montreal. I have documentation that my ancestor Jean > Morvan left Montreal in 1719, and was contracted ("engage ouest") to go > to "les pays d'en haut." He was engaged by a fur trapper, and basically > vanished from Quebec. His son, Bernard Morvant, first shows up in > Louisiana about 1750. I have no idea who Jean Morvan married, and > suspect he may have married a Native woman. No records have surfaced, > and I was wondering whether anyone might know of any Morvan or Morvant > records among Native families in the upper Midwest. > > The other is even stranger. My last proven ancestor, Philippe Jolibois, > was married in 1793 in St. James Parish, Louisiana, and states that he > is a native of Montreal. Who his parents are is uncertain; he gave one > set of parents (Philippe Courtois dit Jolibois and Marie Rosa) on one > document, and another (Francois Jolibois and Ursule Legrand) on > another! Neither pair shows up anywhere that I've looked in Quebecois > records, and I have some suspicion that he may have come down the > Mississippi as well. Has anyone found any Jolibois records that might > fit the bill? > > Any help would be greatly appreciated. > > cheers, > > Gordon Bonnet > Trumansburg NY > > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >