Hi All http://www.telusplanet.net/public/dgarneau/gene14.htm Two examples of what is on R. D. Garnau's webpage for 1789 - 1814 are: The barbarians even bath in winter using hot baths in a little cabin, using hot rocks and they plunge into rivers and lakes then back to their hot baths. They do this for cleanliness, health, and for pleasure. The Jesuit suspect they do it for superstition and consider it a barbarous activity. The French at this time only bathed but once a year. It is noteworthy that the term barbarian or savage was used to describe non-Greeks then later to describe non-Romans and was applied to the French. The Jesuit considered conjugal lovemaking within marriage as a degeneration of the ideal state. The ideal is a repugnance for carnal intercourse. Those who considered this abnormal thinking were classified as barbarians. His main page is: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/dgarneau/ H ehas such excellent materials and is always adding more. Larry Friend (Black Buffalo) friend@2z.net