Here is a link that shows how the country was divided. Lower Canada, Upper Canada and Rupert's Land. In Oka when they talked of Pays d'en Haut they were referring to Upper Canada. http://www.londonhistory.org/upper.htm Regards Aline ----- Original Message ----- From: "Aline Sabourin" <asabourin@lincsat.com> To: <NISHNAWBE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 6:43 AM Subject: Re: [NISHNAWBE] Cloutier - Omagash > Pays d'en Haut is what Upper Canada used to be. This was also Northern > Ontario. > > Regards Aline > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Larry Wyckoff" <wyckoff@chartermi.net> > To: <NISHNAWBE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 7:02 PM > Subject: Re: [NISHNAWBE] Cloutier - Omagash > > > > According to Richard White in "The Middle Ground", pays d'en haut refers > to > > the Upper Country which encompassed most of the Great Lakes region from > Lake > > Erie to as far west as the Mississippi River. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: <Nimrodkiss@aol.com> > > To: <NISHNAWBE-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 10:46 PM > > Subject: Re: [NISHNAWBE] Cloutier - Omagash > > > > > > > Hello Everyone > > > I was told that pays de haut means from high country? Now I am > > wondering > > > if I was given the correct info. Anyone have an idea? This was > > concerning > > > Sarah Kissiokowa. > > > Jan Gouin > > > > > > > >David > > > > >I don't know if you noticed this entry in the Oka records or not, and > > so am > > > > >bringing it to your attention, just in case. > > > > > > > > > >8 Feb. 1786 Baptism of Marie Cecile, born yesterday , natural > daughter > > of > > > > >Therese Memihigogik8e, Saulteaux of the pays d'em haut (everyone in > > that > > > > >place > > > > >claimns the child's father to be Simon, brother of Amable Pik8a8kna, > > > > >Ottawas and > > > > >Christians. Sponcer: Marie Joseph Manit8k8ke, Saulteauz wife of > > Clouthier > > > > >and > > > > >a relative to the child. > > > > >So, this means Marie has to be related to the mother of the child, I > > would > > > > >think. Could she be a ister? Or a cousin? > > > > > > > > > >Also found this: > > > > > > > > > >27 Aug 1804 After the publications of one bann and the dispensation > of > > the > > > > >other two, marriage of Pierre Kapnichin and Marie Angelique > Manitok8e, > > > > >Algonquins of this mission. Present: Simon Ki8ek8ato, Paul 8a8ano and > > Jean > > > > >Baptiste > > > > >Tchinkons. > > > > > > > > > >Now I'm not sure this has anything to do with anything or not......I > am > > not > > > > >good at Native American names.........but the two names are awfully > > close > > > > >to > > > > >the same > > > > >Manitok8e from the record above and > > > > >Manit8k8e from the baptism record. > > > > > > > > > >Just a thought. Hope this helps > > > > >Cindy L. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > records, > > go to: > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Pays d'en Haut is what Upper Canada used to be. This was also Northern Ontario. Regards Aline ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Wyckoff" <wyckoff@chartermi.net> To: <NISHNAWBE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 7:02 PM Subject: Re: [NISHNAWBE] Cloutier - Omagash > According to Richard White in "The Middle Ground", pays d'en haut refers to > the Upper Country which encompassed most of the Great Lakes region from Lake > Erie to as far west as the Mississippi River. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <Nimrodkiss@aol.com> > To: <NISHNAWBE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 10:46 PM > Subject: Re: [NISHNAWBE] Cloutier - Omagash > > > > Hello Everyone > > I was told that pays de haut means from high country? Now I am > wondering > > if I was given the correct info. Anyone have an idea? This was > concerning > > Sarah Kissiokowa. > > Jan Gouin > > > > > >David > > > >I don't know if you noticed this entry in the Oka records or not, and > so am > > > >bringing it to your attention, just in case. > > > > > > > >8 Feb. 1786 Baptism of Marie Cecile, born yesterday , natural daughter > of > > > >Therese Memihigogik8e, Saulteaux of the pays d'em haut (everyone in > that > > > >place > > > >claimns the child's father to be Simon, brother of Amable Pik8a8kna, > > > >Ottawas and > > > >Christians. Sponcer: Marie Joseph Manit8k8ke, Saulteauz wife of > Clouthier > > > >and > > > >a relative to the child. > > > >So, this means Marie has to be related to the mother of the child, I > would > > > >think. Could she be a ister? Or a cousin? > > > > > > > >Also found this: > > > > > > > >27 Aug 1804 After the publications of one bann and the dispensation of > the > > > >other two, marriage of Pierre Kapnichin and Marie Angelique Manitok8e, > > > >Algonquins of this mission. Present: Simon Ki8ek8ato, Paul 8a8ano and > Jean > > > >Baptiste > > > >Tchinkons. > > > > > > > >Now I'm not sure this has anything to do with anything or not......I am > not > > > >good at Native American names.........but the two names are awfully > close > > > >to > > > >the same > > > >Manitok8e from the record above and > > > >Manit8k8e from the baptism record. > > > > > > > >Just a thought. Hope this helps > > > >Cindy L. > > > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

How do you get an inquiry into the digest? thanks deb

According to Richard White in "The Middle Ground", pays d'en haut refers to the Upper Country which encompassed most of the Great Lakes region from Lake Erie to as far west as the Mississippi River. ----- Original Message ----- From: <Nimrodkiss@aol.com> To: <NISHNAWBE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 10:46 PM Subject: Re: [NISHNAWBE] Cloutier - Omagash > Hello Everyone > I was told that pays de haut means from high country? Now I am wondering > if I was given the correct info. Anyone have an idea? This was concerning > Sarah Kissiokowa. > Jan Gouin > > > >David > > >I don't know if you noticed this entry in the Oka records or not, and so am > > >bringing it to your attention, just in case. > > > > > >8 Feb. 1786 Baptism of Marie Cecile, born yesterday , natural daughter of > > >Therese Memihigogik8e, Saulteaux of the pays d'em haut (everyone in that > > >place > > >claimns the child's father to be Simon, brother of Amable Pik8a8kna, > > >Ottawas and > > >Christians. Sponcer: Marie Joseph Manit8k8ke, Saulteauz wife of Clouthier > > >and > > >a relative to the child. > > >So, this means Marie has to be related to the mother of the child, I would > > >think. Could she be a ister? Or a cousin? > > > > > >Also found this: > > > > > >27 Aug 1804 After the publications of one bann and the dispensation of the > > >other two, marriage of Pierre Kapnichin and Marie Angelique Manitok8e, > > >Algonquins of this mission. Present: Simon Ki8ek8ato, Paul 8a8ano and Jean > > >Baptiste > > >Tchinkons. > > > > > >Now I'm not sure this has anything to do with anything or not......I am not > > >good at Native American names.........but the two names are awfully close > > >to > > >the same > > >Manitok8e from the record above and > > >Manit8k8e from the baptism record. > > > > > >Just a thought. Hope this helps > > >Cindy L. > > > > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Hello Everyone I was told that pays de haut means from high country? Now I am wondering if I was given the correct info. Anyone have an idea? This was concerning Sarah Kissiokowa. Jan Gouin > >David > >I don't know if you noticed this entry in the Oka records or not, and so am > >bringing it to your attention, just in case. > > > >8 Feb. 1786 Baptism of Marie Cecile, born yesterday , natural daughter of > >Therese Memihigogik8e, Saulteaux of the pays d'em haut (everyone in that > >place > >claimns the child's father to be Simon, brother of Amable Pik8a8kna, > >Ottawas and > >Christians. Sponcer: Marie Joseph Manit8k8ke, Saulteauz wife of Clouthier > >and > >a relative to the child. > >So, this means Marie has to be related to the mother of the child, I would > >think. Could she be a ister? Or a cousin? > > > >Also found this: > > > >27 Aug 1804 After the publications of one bann and the dispensation of the > >other two, marriage of Pierre Kapnichin and Marie Angelique Manitok8e, > >Algonquins of this mission. Present: Simon Ki8ek8ato, Paul 8a8ano and Jean > >Baptiste > >Tchinkons. > > > >Now I'm not sure this has anything to do with anything or not......I am not > >good at Native American names.........but the two names are awfully close > >to > >the same > >Manitok8e from the record above and > >Manit8k8e from the baptism record. > > > >Just a thought. Hope this helps > >Cindy L. > >

Hi Cindy --- this helps a lot --- I don't know why people are reluctant to share information about this person, but as my ancestor, I find any information about this side of my family as very important. I will certainly look into it. thanks (marci) David >From: Rootdancer@aol.com >Reply-To: NISHNAWBE-L@rootsweb.com >To: NISHNAWBE-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [NISHNAWBE] Cloutier - Omagash >Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 21:52:04 EDT > >David >I don't know if you noticed this entry in the Oka records or not, and so am >bringing it to your attention, just in case. > >8 Feb. 1786 Baptism of Marie Cecile, born yesterday , natural daughter of >Therese Memihigogik8e, Saulteaux of the pays d'em haut (everyone in that >place >claimns the child's father to be Simon, brother of Amable Pik8a8kna, >Ottawas and >Christians. Sponcer: Marie Joseph Manit8k8ke, Saulteauz wife of Clouthier >and >a relative to the child. >So, this means Marie has to be related to the mother of the child, I would >think. Could she be a ister? Or a cousin? > >Also found this: > >27 Aug 1804 After the publications of one bann and the dispensation of the >other two, marriage of Pierre Kapnichin and Marie Angelique Manitok8e, >Algonquins of this mission. Present: Simon Ki8ek8ato, Paul 8a8ano and Jean >Baptiste >Tchinkons. > >Now I'm not sure this has anything to do with anything or not......I am not >good at Native American names.........but the two names are awfully close >to >the same >Manitok8e from the record above and >Manit8k8e from the baptism record. > >Just a thought. Hope this helps >Cindy L. > > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, >go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963

Have you checked the Durant Rolls yet? If not, get back to me. I think I can help you find them. Anne ----- Original Message ----- From: <VWilson577@aol.com> To: <NISHNAWBE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 2:08 PM Subject: [NISHNAWBE] ottawa roots Forwarded for <poordevil@chartermi.net) PLEASE HELP IF YOU CAN i'm of ottawa decent, 1/8 or poss. more. my grand mother's name was alma olk (la haye) she was born on feb.,28 or 29 1880---my gr. grand mother's name was mary ann robinson or robisson from pierport michigan. my gr. gr. grand mother's ottawa name was (kook si que liza) my mother is passed on ,but i remember her saying that the family could be traced to the durant roles when i was a child. my only aunt is a trible elder,but she is 86 yr. of age most of the questions i ask her ,she can;t remember.i do know she is a member of the little river band of ottawa indians. beyond this information,i keep hitting a brick wall .(ANY) info. you can find would be greatly appreciated. ""THANK YOU"" wayne l. stiller 440 w. lincoln rd. twin lake michigan (poordevil) Vicki in MI

Forwarded for <poordevil@chartermi.net) PLEASE HELP IF YOU CAN         i'm of  ottawa decent, 1/8 or poss. more. my grand mother's name was alma olk (la haye) she was born on feb.,28 or 29  1880---my gr. grand mother's name was mary ann robinson or robisson from pierport michigan. my gr. gr. grand mother's ottawa name was (kook si que liza) my mother is passed on ,but i remember her saying that the family could be traced to the durant roles when i was a child. my only aunt is a trible elder,but she is 86 yr. of age most of the questions i ask her ,she can;t remember.i do know she is a member of the little river band of ottawa indians. beyond this information,i keep hitting a brick wall .(ANY) info. you can find would be greatly appreciated. ""THANK YOU"" wayne l. stiller 440 w. lincoln rd. twin lake michigan (poordevil) Vicki in MI Avon Independent Sales Representative www.youravon.com/denisewilson passcode: Avon Sell Avon - Only $10 to start - no door to door, no inventory! Call today! (231) 276-7653

Have a question that's been on my mind for a while --- have you read "Don't Blame the Treaties"? Have a copy in our home in the Carolinas - interesting facts regarding Rix Robinson and a few others. Yes, I do believe Antoine, Mary and Louis Snaikel belong to the Senecal (Seneschal) line. And I do not have the 1836 Half Breed Census - I'm going to try & pull it up with Copernic! I'll let you know if I'm successful.............. Put Pioneering on my favorite list too....................City library in Bozeman needs some help so I might just have to wait till we get to our home in Lake Wylie, SC (library right out my door there) to get a copy of that one. And yes, I did mean St Ignace, MI - get my I & T's mixed up - sorry bout that, sincerely, Lynne m

Hello Riverwoman, I have been wondering how the Rix Robinson family reunion went? I couldn't make it although I was hoping to. Was there a big turnout? Rix is a 3 greats uncle to me. I am decended from his brother Edward Robinson Jr. Was there much genealogy discussion going on? I really was interested in that. I've been to the cemetery to see his grave site and other Robinson's but I couldn't find my 3 greats grandfather Edward's site. He is suppose to be buried there and I've read the inscription of the stone online but I couldn't physically find it! Did you happen to see it? I thought it would have been in the area of Rix's but it wasn't. I haven't been to the museum in Ada but will have to on my next trip down there. I've been to the Van Andel museum in Grand Rapids and they have a nice Native display. Would love to hear more about the reunion! Thanks! Nancy > Hi everyone. This is Sebequay (Riverwoman). I went to the Rix Robinson > reunion last sunday. My dad was the oldest there at 90. He will be 91 in > September. His great uncle Rix had 2 Indian wives. The first was the daughter of > the chief of Pere Marquette, I read at the Ada Museum. The second was Sebequay > or Sippiquay which means riverwoman. Whites gave her the name Nancy which she > did not like. There are pictures of her & Rix at the Ada Museum near Grand > Rapids. There are maps of where the Indian settlements were on the Grand > River. I thought the reference of Pere Marquette was interesting. I will be going > down the Pere Marquette river this weekend as many times as I can between the > Shrine of the Pines (approx) & where the Baldwin river empties into the Pere > Marquette river (approx). I always used to call myself "riverwoman", so that > is why I took that Indian name for my email address. I use blow up boats & > bring insect spray & benadryl & meat tenderizer (in case of bee stings) & a > drink & whoever wants to go with me. I always watch for snakes (haven't seen one > in bushes yet) & turtles & fish & deer. I call to the different birds & most > answer back. I look at the different plants & trees & like to identify them > all. I think of how the Indians used to use the same river to get around. We > also went to the Mouth cemetery the day after the reunion with a Wisconsin > cousin & checked out the Robinson graves. The stones are becoming unreadable & > there is much work to do that is not getting done. Luckily, the bugs were not > bad. Long stories. Later, from riverwoman.

If you haven't looked at the NISHNAWBE archives you might check that out: http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/NISHNAWBE.html (go to bottom of page and click on search archives) ----- Original Message ----- From: <LynneM5942@aol.com> To: <NISHNAWBE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 22, 2003 1:31 PM Subject: Re: [NISHNAWBE] Church records > My ggrandmother Marie Adelaide Senecal, fa - Antoine Senecal settled in St > Ignace, MT about 1800 - raised large family there - found some information about > "Senecal" in Wisc Historical Collection - sure wish I could get my hands on > their Index for the many volumes - lots of information in several volumes. > > But I'm way out here in the beautiful mountains of Big Sky, MT & an hours > drive to Bozeman, home of Montana State University where they have some materials > on the Midwest. But even getting there has been impossible due to all the > "visitors", drop ins, houseguests, ad infinitum that goes on living in a resort > area. But I keep on hoping that I'll get into their "restricted area" of > their library one of these days before we head East. > > Thank you for the heads up! Please keep in touch just in case we merge > somewhere along the way, sincerely Lynne m > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Hi All Has anyone encountered the name Agnes Agolo or Kadjish b. 1885, possibly Nipigon, Ontario, married Patrick Sylvester McGuire b. 1875. Her mother was Elizabeth (Lisette) Kadjish and she may have had a sister Helene Kadjish b. 4 Jul 1882 Shuniah, Algoma District, Ontario. Any help appreciated. Take care Stan

Lynne - assuming you mean St. Ignace MI! Anyway, I have an Antoine Snaikel 12 and Mary Snaikel 10, and a Louis Snaikel 6, all of Mackinac, comments read Abandonded by Father, Mother dead. This is on the 1836 Half Breed census. Their allotments were to be retained, but its not listed by whom. Are these yours?? Far as I know there is no master index of the WHC, but most of them are on line in the L/C's Pioneering the Upper Midwest - Terry <A HREF="http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/umhtml/umhome.html">Click here: Pioneering the Upper Midwest: Books from Michigan, Minnesota, and Wisconsin, ca. 1820-1910</A>

Denise thanks for the followup, I was wondering how it went. How interesting that you were able to see pics of your namesake! Did they allow you to get a copy of it? Its a great story about your time on the river and your observations, makes you feel at peace, I think by your writing. Waiting to hear your long stories, thanks! Terry

My ggrandmother Marie Adelaide Senecal, fa - Antoine Senecal settled in St Ignace, MT about 1800 - raised large family there - found some information about "Senecal" in Wisc Historical Collection - sure wish I could get my hands on their Index for the many volumes - lots of information in several volumes. But I'm way out here in the beautiful mountains of Big Sky, MT & an hours drive to Bozeman, home of Montana State University where they have some materials on the Midwest. But even getting there has been impossible due to all the "visitors", drop ins, houseguests, ad infinitum that goes on living in a resort area. But I keep on hoping that I'll get into their "restricted area" of their library one of these days before we head East. Thank you for the heads up! Please keep in touch just in case we merge somewhere along the way, sincerely Lynne m

Hi everyone. This is Sebequay (Riverwoman). I went to the Rix Robinson reunion last sunday. My dad was the oldest there at 90. He will be 91 in September. His great uncle Rix had 2 Indian wives. The first was the daughter of the chief of Pere Marquette, I read at the Ada Museum. The second was Sebequay or Sippiquay which means riverwoman. Whites gave her the name Nancy which she did not like. There are pictures of her & Rix at the Ada Museum near Grand Rapids. There are maps of where the Indian settlements were on the Grand River. I thought the reference of Pere Marquette was interesting. I will be going down the Pere Marquette river this weekend as many times as I can between the Shrine of the Pines (approx) & where the Baldwin river empties into the Pere Marquette river (approx). I always used to call myself "riverwoman", so that is why I took that Indian name for my email address. I use blow up boats & bring insect spray & benadryl & meat tenderizer (in case of bee stings) & a drink & whoever wants to go with me. I always watch for snakes (haven't seen one in bushes yet) & turtles & fish & deer. I call to the different birds & most answer back. I look at the different plants & trees & like to identify them all. I think of how the Indians used to use the same river to get around. We also went to the Mouth cemetery the day after the reunion with a Wisconsin cousin & checked out the Robinson graves. The stones are becoming unreadable & there is much work to do that is not getting done. Luckily, the bugs were not bad. Long stories. Later, from riverwoman.

They were seperate families. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Erin" <yogithebeagle2001@yahoo.com> To: <NISHNAWBE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 2:58 PM Subject: Re: [NISHNAWBE] Logan Chipman/Lizzie Shawano > Just wondering was CHIPMAN a variation spelling of CHAPMAN? > > Trashound@aol.com wrote:August 19, 1893 Page 1 > A SOO ROMANCE. > Death of J. Logan Chipman Revives His Career Here. > MARRIED AN INDIAN PRINCESS. > Then He Civilized and Educated Her and was Happy. > The late Detroit Congressman Dedicated the Chippewa County court Hosue and > was a Factor Here in the Early Days > Congressman J. Logan Chipman of Detroit, a brother-in-law of Edward and Louis > Shawano, of this city, and John Roussain, of Sugar Island, died in Detroit at > 7 o'clock Thursday morning, of hypostatic pnemonia. While Judge Chipman had > been ailing for some time his death was not expected.... > In 1851 he became engaged to a charming young lady in the Soo, a member of > one of the first and best-to-do-families. They fell out in some way and the > young lady bestowed her smiles on an officer at Fort Brady. This enraged Chipman > and he almost at once sought the hand of Lizzie Shawano, the full blooded > Indian daughter of the head chief of the Chippewa. The wooing was swift and they > were wed. Lizzie is spoken of as a beautiful Indian girl. She left here with her > gay young husband to go to Detroit attired in her Indian garb, with her hair > hanging in a glossy plait down her back and her head covered with a government > blanket. At first Chipman's refined mother and sisters were greatly shocked, > but they sensibly made the best of the occasion and at once proceeded to > civilize and educate the young princess, ala Pocahontas. When she came to the Soo > in later years the Indian wife is spoken of as having been as fine a lady as > the land afforded. Four children were born to this union and the marriage was a > happy one. Then the Chippewa princess died. Of her children who still live > Harry Chipman, the Detroit Lawyer, is the "John Randolph, of Roanoke." Another > child, and the only daughter, married into the family of Buhl, the wealthy > Detroit furrier. J. Logan Chipman mourned his wife for a time and then married > again- a white woman..... > John Logan Chipman was born at Detroit, June 5, 1830, and was educated in the > schools of that city and in the University of Michigan. He comes from a > celebrated family, being the son of Judge Henry Chipman, a well-known and honoured > name in Detroit history and a grandson of United States Judge and Senator > Nathaniel Chipman, of Vermont. His mother was a South Carolinian, from whom he > takes his middle name.... > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Just wondering was CHIPMAN a variation spelling of CHAPMAN? Trashound@aol.com wrote:August 19, 1893 Page 1 A SOO ROMANCE. Death of J. Logan Chipman Revives His Career Here. MARRIED AN INDIAN PRINCESS. Then He Civilized and Educated Her and was Happy. The late Detroit Congressman Dedicated the Chippewa County court Hosue and was a Factor Here in the Early Days Congressman J. Logan Chipman of Detroit, a brother-in-law of Edward and Louis Shawano, of this city, and John Roussain, of Sugar Island, died in Detroit at 7 o'clock Thursday morning, of hypostatic pnemonia. While Judge Chipman had been ailing for some time his death was not expected.... In 1851 he became engaged to a charming young lady in the Soo, a member of one of the first and best-to-do-families. They fell out in some way and the young lady bestowed her smiles on an officer at Fort Brady. This enraged Chipman and he almost at once sought the hand of Lizzie Shawano, the full blooded Indian daughter of the head chief of the Chippewa. The wooing was swift and they were wed. Lizzie is spoken of as a beautiful Indian girl. She left here with her gay young husband to go to Detroit attired in her Indian garb, with her hair hanging in a glossy plait down her back and her head covered with a government blanket. At first Chipman's refined mother and sisters were greatly shocked, but they sensibly made the best of the occasion and at once proceeded to civilize and educate the young princess, ala Pocahontas. When she came to the Soo in later years the Indian wife is spoken of as having been as fine a lady as the land afforded. Four children were born to this union and the marriage was a happy one. Then the Chippewa princess died. Of her children who still live Harry Chipman, the Detroit Lawyer, is the "John Randolph, of Roanoke." Another child, and the only daughter, married into the family of Buhl, the wealthy Detroit furrier. J. Logan Chipman mourned his wife for a time and then married again- a white woman..... John Logan Chipman was born at Detroit, June 5, 1830, and was educated in the schools of that city and in the University of Michigan. He comes from a celebrated family, being the son of Judge Henry Chipman, a well-known and honoured name in Detroit history and a grandson of United States Judge and Senator Nathaniel Chipman, of Vermont. His mother was a South Carolinian, from whom he takes his middle name.... ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software

---------- From: "Franklin V. Plano" <fnjplano@newnorth.net> Reply-To: NISHNAWBE-L@rootsweb.com Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 15:18:29 -0500 To: NISHNAWBE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [NISHNAWBE] Crele Resent-From: NISHNAWBE-L@rootsweb.com Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 14:14:42 -0600 Sorry! fnjplano@newnorth.net ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

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