I've read extensively about Louis Riel because of my connection to Gabriel Dumont and the Dumont clan and have NEVER heard of him executing anyone but Thomas Scott, following a trial. I find it hard to believe that such a religious man would have done something so vile. I too would be most interested in some data regarding this woman who was executed by Riel. Karole Dumont -----Original Message----- From: Gary Boivin [mailto:gboivin@telusplanet.net] Sent: October 8, 2003 6:36 PM To: NISHNAWBE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NISHNAWBE] little deer/Louis Riel I've never found that the Louis RIEL of the Riel Rebellion ever had a woman executed... Or anyone else for that matter. I know that his Court executed a white man. If you can find this data I would be VERY interested... http://www.dollarsblaster.com/userindex.asp?userid=7641 ----- Original Message ----- From: <Sebequay@aol.com> To: <NISHNAWBE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 1:12 PM Subject: [NISHNAWBE] little deer/Louis Riel > I was interested in the posting mentioning a lady named Little Deer who was > executed by Louis Riel. My 91 year old dad gave his first cousin's daughter a > name... little deer & I was trying to find the Indian spelling. I came up > with waawaashkeshiins. Also, if anyone finds any other spelling, such as how > they spelled the woman's name that was executed, I would like to know. Also, am > trying to find Riel connection to my mother's side of family. I came up with > LeRoux to Lemirande to Reille & Gareau.. all different spellings at one time > because everyone went by "sound". My mom's side is said to have had an Indian > grandmother somewhere down the line. All we have is bits & pieces. Also, > Louis Reil was friends with a Gareau I have read. There is much info on him on > the Reil Rebellion. Thanks from denise > ------- Snipped to save our database -------- ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

There seems to have been a misunderstanding over my earlier posting. I am trying to verify a family story, for a friend. Thomas Scott, an Orangeman, bc1843 in Ireland was living in Belleville Ontario in May 1969.In late summer of 1869, he went west, hoping to make the goldfields. He stopped at Red River for work, to make some money, and found employment building the Dawson Road. Between Dec 7 and Feb 27, 1870, he was in and out of jail. He was ordered executed by Louis Riel who had him shot March 4, 1970. My friend believes that Sarah Little Deer Scott was his metis wife(?). Apparently she is buried near Parry Sound, Ontario. Given the small window of opportunity( Fall of 1869-Feb. 5th 1870) it's not likely that there could have been a relationship that resulted in the birth of a child. I'm working on proving or disproving the theory. There is a Sarah Scott died 1900 near Parry Sound. I will order in her death registration for clues. However, registrations in that era lack much identifying information. Helen

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The elder, who spoke only Navajo, asked a question. His son translated for the NASA people: "What are these guys in the big suits doing?" One of the astronauts said that they were practicing for a trip to the moon. When his son relayed this comment the Navajo elder got all excited and asked if it would be possible to give to the astronauts a message to deliver to the moon. Recognizing a promotional opportunity when he saw one, a NASA official accompanying the astronauts said, "Why certainly!" and told an underling to get a tape recorder. The Navajo elder's comments into the microphone were brief. The NASA official asked the son if he would translate what his father had said. The son listened to the recording and laughed uproariously. But he refused to translate. So the NASA people took the tape to a nearby Navajo village and played it for other members of the tribe. They too laughed long and loudly but also refused to translate the elder's message to the moon. Finally, an official government translator was summoned. After he finally stopped laughing the translator relayed the message: "Watch out for these assholes. They have come to steal your land."

I've never found that the Louis RIEL of the Riel Rebellion ever had a woman executed... Or anyone else for that matter. I know that his Court executed a white man. If you can find this data I would be VERY interested... http://www.dollarsblaster.com/userindex.asp?userid=7641 ----- Original Message ----- From: <Sebequay@aol.com> To: <NISHNAWBE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 1:12 PM Subject: [NISHNAWBE] little deer/Louis Riel > I was interested in the posting mentioning a lady named Little Deer who was > executed by Louis Riel. My 91 year old dad gave his first cousin's daughter a > name... little deer & I was trying to find the Indian spelling. I came up > with waawaashkeshiins. Also, if anyone finds any other spelling, such as how > they spelled the woman's name that was executed, I would like to know. Also, am > trying to find Riel connection to my mother's side of family. I came up with > LeRoux to Lemirande to Reille & Gareau.. all different spellings at one time > because everyone went by "sound". My mom's side is said to have had an Indian > grandmother somewhere down the line. All we have is bits & pieces. Also, > Louis Reil was friends with a Gareau I have read. There is much info on him on > the Reil Rebellion. Thanks from denise > ------- Snipped to save our database --------

Thomas Scott was a very outspoken and troublesome 'Orangeman' who was killed, but not by Louis Riel... Find it very interesting that someone is claiming he was married to an Aboriginal women given his past and notoriety... Would be interested in anything else you have on this topic. Chiimegwiitch Christine ----- Original Message ----- From: "Helen Vaillancourt" <lucy@efni.com> To: <NISHNAWBE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 12:12 PM Subject: [NISHNAWBE] Sarah Scott > Looking for information on Sarah"Little Deer"Scott, buried Parry Sound Ontario area, reported metis wife of Thomas Scott who was executed by Louis Riel in 1870 in Manitoba. > Can anyone point me in the right direction? > Helen in North Bay > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

I was interested in the posting mentioning a lady named Little Deer who was executed by Louis Riel. My 91 year old dad gave his first cousin's daughter a name... little deer & I was trying to find the Indian spelling. I came up with waawaashkeshiins. Also, if anyone finds any other spelling, such as how they spelled the woman's name that was executed, I would like to know. Also, am trying to find Riel connection to my mother's side of family. I came up with LeRoux to Lemirande to Reille & Gareau.. all different spellings at one time because everyone went by "sound". My mom's side is said to have had an Indian grandmother somewhere down the line. All we have is bits & pieces. Also, Louis Reil was friends with a Gareau I have read. There is much info on him on the Reil Rebellion. Thanks from denise

Looking for information on Sarah"Little Deer"Scott, buried Parry Sound Ontario area, reported metis wife of Thomas Scott who was executed by Louis Riel in 1870 in Manitoba. Can anyone point me in the right direction? Helen in North Bay

Heather and Chad Schopper <candhschopper@comcast.net> wrote:Ooops, forgot. I don't know how I found out, but on my geneoly list, it says that they were married in Ingham county, MI The other thought is if here fathers name were in Indian and all I have is the English version. I have been trying to search sites to see if I can find the Indian word for Beech and I am not having much luck. ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search

Thanks for the laugh, sometimes we get so caught up in our quests that we get overwhelmed or burned out..laughter is good for the heart & soul..teri b ----- Original Message ----- From: <NISHNAWBE-D-request@rootsweb.com> To: <NISHNAWBE-D@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 6:02 PM Subject: NISHNAWBE-D Digest V03 #197

Sharyn Hay posted this on the Quebec-Research List. I thought it was appropriate for this List... ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ People on this list will appreciate a joke I heard a few days ago when I attended a Native American Pow-Wow. As the MC was talking about his heritage he said: "I'm told by some of the elders in the family that I'm part white, but I can't prove it yet." The crowd roared with laughter. Seems like they have heard us say the opposite a few times, lol. Regards, Sharyn

Terry Was this a National Archives reel or something like that? Larry Friend (Black Buffalo) friend@2z.net ============================================ -----Original Message----- From: Trashound@aol.com [mailto:Trashound@aol.com] Sent: 29 September 2003 08:28 To: NISHNAWBE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [NISHNAWBE] Clan Affiliations/Schoolcraft Hi all - the subject of clans came up and I copied this from the MSU library sometime ago from the Henry Rowe Schoolcraft papers. Unfortunately, the Ance or Oak Pointe band is not on it, but it may help others. The following is a complete list and I have found no additional pages. Spellings have been interpreted as best as I can read HRS's handwriting. Additionally, I do not have an Ojibway dictionary to translate the totems HRS left in Ojibway. I estimate this list was made in the 1820s. - Terry "No. 1 Monomoneau - Head Wisconsin 1. Na wa je wun awassiicong fish, cat 2. Pe na see neban abaig 3. Omuskose Bear 4. Mukomiseedamice Martin 5. Ogema geehij do 6. May mittey ozh do 7. Oshcaba wis Crane chief No. 2 Trout Lake 1. Kenishtemo Chief Brant 2. Otukumipenasee " 3. Padashee Long tailed Bear 4. Wagima wegwin Cat fish 5. Ocqaugon Strugeon 6. Ojetshung Loon 7. Wagimawesh Long tail Bear 8. Kebetau wash " 9. Sha tay mo " 10. Kawe taw be tung Awasine 11. Otagamee Bear 12. Ah ah way Loon No. 3 Ontanagon 1. Okundekund Chief Eagle 2. Ongwasug " 3. Wassa gezhig " 4. Kwe we zainik ish " 5. Gitchee Matagumee " 6. Nabo baimis Awanise No. 4 Wisconsin 1. Ka kake o gwun na osh Cheif Long tail Bear 2. Na wa kum ig " 3. Chiagebeo Bear 4. Mukud day o kum zhe Brant 5. Mikenok Martin 6. Menonikwadonse Long tail Bear 7. Shawanopenasee " 8. Michemockinugo Bear 9. Kaga ge sheck Bear 10. Natawigeezhik Martin No. 5 Veiw Desert 1. Ku zheosh Chief Eagle 2. Ashquay ong " 3. Mush kose ono " 4. Pekinaga Atakaway 5. Kaga nog a da Bear 6. Nabuna geezhig Fish 7. Ozhininee Elk 8. Wagi win a Bear 9. Pemidj waga qwut Bear ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Hi, I'm not quite sure if this is helpful, but just yesterday I saw in the Mackinac Register a baptism witnessed by John Deny, 27 August 1839. I'll translate it (the priest's hand is not good) if it's something you need. Also, forgive me, but the Denys were Abraham, Martin, and John? Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: <Tigerdeney@aol.com> To: <NISHNAWBE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2003 2:00 AM Subject: [NISHNAWBE] Abraham Dana/Denny of NY & Wisc > Articles of a treaty made and concluded at Buffalo Creek in the State of New > York, the fifteenth day of January in the year of our Lord one thousand eight > hundred and thirty-eight, by Ransom H. Gillet, a commissioner on the part of > the United States, and the chiefs, head men and warriors of the several tribes > of New York Indians assembled in council witnesseth: > > *****edited out a large section here****** > > (but continues on listing one Abraham Denny of who I have in questions > about....... the Abraham Dana/Denny listed on the 1825 Census of Ellisburgh, > Jefferson County NY...... Is this the same Abraham ??? He disappears from the 1835 > CENSUS of Ellisburgh and in his place my John Dana/ Denny with new wife appears > inbetween the same neighbors that Abraham had, with the same 3 arces. > > My John moves to the area of Medina / Dale where his son Chandler joins the > Calvary there in Janesville, Wisc in 1860. > > Is Abraham Dana/Denny the father to my John Dana/Denny/Deney ? > > Now were my Dennys Indian ?? Oneida ? > > *****continues****************************** > > 18th January 1839. > > We the undersigned chiefs of the Oneida tribe of New York Indians do hereby > give our free and voluntary assent to the foregoing treaty as amended by the > resolution of the Senate of the United States on the eleventh day of June 1838, > the same having been submitted to us by Ransom H. Gillet, a commissioner on > the part of the United States and fully and fairly explained by him to our said > tribe in council assembled. Dated August 9th 1838 at the Oneida Council House. > > Executed in the presence of - - > > First Christian Party: > > Baptista Powlis, Anthony Big Knife, Peter Williams, Jacob Powlis, Anthony > Anthony, Peter Martin, Cornelius Summer, Isaac Wheelock, Thomas Doxtater, William > Hill, Baptiste Denny. Orchard Party: > > Jonathan Jordon, Thomas Scanado, Henry Jordon, William Day. > > Second Christian Party: > > Abraham Denny, Adam Thompson, Peter Elm, Lewis Denny, Martin Denny. > > (To the Indian names are subjoined marks.) > > The above assent was voluntarily freely and fairly given in my presence, > after being fully and fairly explained by me. > > R. H. Gillet, Commissioner, &c. > > Link to the site: > <A HREF="http://216.239.39.104/search?q=cache:D09KdLihjO4J:longislandgenealogy. com/treaty.html+%22Abraham+Denny%22++New+York+++genealogy&hl=en&ie=UTF-8">TR EATY WITH THE NEW YORK INDIANS January 15, 1838</A> > > > Anyone got a clue ?? > Janice Deney > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

really miigwetch! Terry Kareen Lewis <klewis@lrboi.com> wrote:Way Cool, Megwetch. -----Original Message----- From: Trashound@aol.com [mailto:Trashound@aol.com] Sent: Monday, September 29, 2003 9:28 AM To: NISHNAWBE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [NISHNAWBE] Clan Affiliations/Schoolcraft Hi all - the subject of clans came up and I copied this from the MSU library sometime ago from the Henry Rowe Schoolcraft papers. Unfortunately, the Ance or Oak Pointe band is not on it, but it may help others. The following is a complete list and I have found no additional pages. Spellings have been interpreted as best as I can read HRS's handwriting. Additionally, I do not have an Ojibway dictionary to translate the totems HRS left in Ojibway. I estimate this list was made in the 1820s. - Terry "No. 1 Monomoneau - Head Wisconsin 1. Na wa je wun awassiicong fish, cat 2. Pe na see neban abaig 3. Omuskose Bear 4. Mukomiseedamice Martin 5. Ogema geehij do 6. May mittey ozh do 7. Oshcaba wis Crane chief No. 2 Trout Lake 1. Kenishtemo Chief Brant 2. Otukumipenasee " 3. Padashee Long tailed Bear 4. Wagima wegwin Cat fish 5. Ocqaugon Strugeon 6. Ojetshung Loon 7. Wagimawesh Long tail Bear 8. Kebetau wash " 9. Sha tay mo " 10. Kawe taw be tung Awasine 11. Otagamee Bear 12. Ah ah way Loon No. 3 Ontanagon 1. Okundekund Chief Eagle 2. Ongwasug " 3. Wassa gezhig " 4. Kwe we zainik ish " 5. Gitchee Matagumee " 6. Nabo baimis Awanise No. 4 Wisconsin 1. Ka kake o gwun na osh Cheif Long tail Bear 2. Na wa kum ig " 3. Chiagebeo Bear 4. Mukud day o kum zhe Brant 5. Mikenok Martin 6. Menonikwadonse Long tail Bear 7. Shawanopenasee " 8. Michemockinugo Bear 9. Kaga ge sheck Bear 10. Natawigeezhik Martin No. 5 Veiw Desert 1. Ku zheosh Chief Eagle 2. Ashquay ong " 3. Mush kose ono " 4. Pekinaga Atakaway 5. Kaga nog a da Bear 6. Nabuna geezhig Fish 7. Ozhininee Elk 8. Wagi win a Bear 9. Pemidj waga qwut Bear ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search

Yes, and you will notice on the revised treaties that the mark is only an x, that is not what was signed by our ancestors. Glad to be of some help. Kareen -----Original Message----- From: Pete & Teri [mailto:4windsnm@gilanet.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2003 10:55 AM To: NISHNAWBE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [NISHNAWBE] Re: NISHNAWBE-D Digest V03 #195 Thank you Kareen, I do recall seeing the noted statement about signed by "his mark" on the revised treaties you mentioned. How interesting, I wondered what "his mark looked like.. again my thanks...teri ----- Original Message ----- From: <NISHNAWBE-D-request@rootsweb.com> To: <NISHNAWBE-D@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2003 7:03 AM Subject: NISHNAWBE-D Digest V03 #195 ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

My chances of getting to DC anytime soon or in the near future are slim. I'm way down in New Mexico..so if anyone finds themselves up there I 'd appreciate a heads up. If they'd consider & wouldn't mind doing a look up for me...megwetch, Teri B ----- Original Message ----- From: <NISHNAWBE-D-request@rootsweb.com> To: <NISHNAWBE-D@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2003 7:03 AM Subject: NISHNAWBE-D Digest V03 #195

Thank you Kareen, I do recall seeing the noted statement about signed by "his mark" on the revised treaties you mentioned. How interesting, I wondered what "his mark looked like.. again my thanks...teri ----- Original Message ----- From: <NISHNAWBE-D-request@rootsweb.com> To: <NISHNAWBE-D@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2003 7:03 AM Subject: NISHNAWBE-D Digest V03 #195

Articles of a treaty made and concluded at Buffalo Creek in the State of New York, the fifteenth day of January in the year of our Lord one thousand eight hundred and thirty-eight, by Ransom H. Gillet, a commissioner on the part of the United States, and the chiefs, head men and warriors of the several tribes of New York Indians assembled in council witnesseth: *****edited out a large section here****** (but continues on listing one Abraham Denny of who I have in questions about....... the Abraham Dana/Denny listed on the 1825 Census of Ellisburgh, Jefferson County NY...... Is this the same Abraham ??? He disappears from the 1835 CENSUS of Ellisburgh and in his place my John Dana/ Denny with new wife appears inbetween the same neighbors that Abraham had, with the same 3 arces. My John moves to the area of Medina / Dale where his son Chandler joins the Calvary there in Janesville, Wisc in 1860. Is Abraham Dana/Denny the father to my John Dana/Denny/Deney ? Now were my Dennys Indian ?? Oneida ? *****continues****************************** 18th January 1839. We the undersigned chiefs of the Oneida tribe of New York Indians do hereby give our free and voluntary assent to the foregoing treaty as amended by the resolution of the Senate of the United States on the eleventh day of June 1838, the same having been submitted to us by Ransom H. Gillet, a commissioner on the part of the United States and fully and fairly explained by him to our said tribe in council assembled. Dated August 9th 1838 at the Oneida Council House. Executed in the presence of - - First Christian Party: Baptista Powlis, Anthony Big Knife, Peter Williams, Jacob Powlis, Anthony Anthony, Peter Martin, Cornelius Summer, Isaac Wheelock, Thomas Doxtater, William Hill, Baptiste Denny. Orchard Party: Jonathan Jordon, Thomas Scanado, Henry Jordon, William Day. Second Christian Party: Abraham Denny, Adam Thompson, Peter Elm, Lewis Denny, Martin Denny. (To the Indian names are subjoined marks.) The above assent was voluntarily freely and fairly given in my presence, after being fully and fairly explained by me. R. H. Gillet, Commissioner, &c. Link to the site: <A HREF="http://216.239.39.104/search?q=cache:D09KdLihjO4J:longislandgenealogy.com/treaty.html+%22Abraham+Denny%22++New+York+++genealogy&hl=en&ie=UTF-8">TREATY WITH THE NEW YORK INDIANS January 15, 1838</A> Anyone got a clue ?? Janice Deney

I copied all I could find - I needed the Michigan list, too. Just thougth I would share what I did find. Sorry! Terry