Whitebird, Simon was my husband's uncle. Not sure if he is related to your Whitebird's...I will look them up. Other names are not familiar but my husband's father came from the Bad River Reservation. Name was Charles Michael Diver. Is that familiar to you? Honestind@aol.com

A little more searching found: Name: SIMON WHITEBIRD Birth Date: March 5, 1908 Death Date: September 12, 1997 Birthplace: MINNESOTA Birth City: CLOQUET Death Place: CLOQUET, CARLTON State File Number: 1997-MN-025231 Mother's Maiden Name: WINTERS Is this your Simon? Larry Friend (Black Buffalo) friend@2z.net EDUCA'TION, n. [L. educatio.] The bringing up, as of a child, instruction; formation of manners. Education comprehends all that series of instruction and discipline which is intended to enlighten the understanding, correct the temper, and form the manners and habits of youth, and fit them for usefulness in their future stations. To give children a good education in manners, arts and science, is important; to give them a religious education is indispensable; and an immense responsibility rests on parents and guardians who neglect these duties. (Webster's Dictionary 1828) ============================================ -----Original Message----- From: Larry Friend [mailto:friend@2z.net] Sent: 19 November 2003 21:52 To: NISHNAWBE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [NISHNAWBE] Forwarded message re: Bad River Indian Census http://fdlrez.com/Museum/photos/peralescollection.htm has a Simon Whitebird in the Perales Collection. http://people.mnhs.org/dci/Search.cfm If you search the Minnesota Death Records Index, Whitebird brings up 37, Mother's Maiden as Whitebird brings up another 18 hits. Copies are reasonably priced and you can go to St. Paul, the Minnesota Historical Society, and copy them yourself for 30 cents each. It is an easy to do thing. Larry Friend (Black Buffalo) friend@2z.net EDUCA'TION, n. [L. educatio.] The bringing up, as of a child, instruction; formation of manners. Education comprehends all that series of instruction and discipline which is intended to enlighten the understanding, correct the temper, and form the manners and habits of youth, and fit them for usefulness in their future stations. To give children a good education in manners, arts and science, is important; to give them a religious education is indispensable; and an immense responsibility rests on parents and guardians who neglect these duties. (Webster's Dictionary 1828) ============================================ -----Original Message----- From: Honestind@aol.com [mailto:Honestind@aol.com] Sent: 19 November 2003 21:11 To: NISHNAWBE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NISHNAWBE] Forwarded message re: Bad River Indian Census Whitebird, Simon was my husband's uncle. Not sure if he is related to your Whitebird's...I will look them up. Other names are not familiar but my husband's father came from the Bad River Reservation. Name was Charles Michael Diver. Is that familiar to you? Honestind@aol.com ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

http://fdlrez.com/Museum/photos/peralescollection.htm has a Simon Whitebird in the Perales Collection. http://people.mnhs.org/dci/Search.cfm If you search the Minnesota Death Records Index, Whitebird brings up 37, Mother's Maiden as Whitebird brings up another 18 hits. Copies are reasonably priced and you can go to St. Paul, the Minnesota Historical Society, and copy them yourself for 30 cents each. It is an easy to do thing. Larry Friend (Black Buffalo) friend@2z.net EDUCA'TION, n. [L. educatio.] The bringing up, as of a child, instruction; formation of manners. Education comprehends all that series of instruction and discipline which is intended to enlighten the understanding, correct the temper, and form the manners and habits of youth, and fit them for usefulness in their future stations. To give children a good education in manners, arts and science, is important; to give them a religious education is indispensable; and an immense responsibility rests on parents and guardians who neglect these duties. (Webster's Dictionary 1828) ============================================ -----Original Message----- From: Honestind@aol.com [mailto:Honestind@aol.com] Sent: 19 November 2003 21:11 To: NISHNAWBE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NISHNAWBE] Forwarded message re: Bad River Indian Census Whitebird, Simon was my husband's uncle. Not sure if he is related to your Whitebird's...I will look them up. Other names are not familiar but my husband's father came from the Bad River Reservation. Name was Charles Michael Diver. Is that familiar to you? Honestind@aol.com ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

That was so kind of you! Good to hear from you! Spiritdove ~v~

I am researching one of the names mentioned - Couture - and would like to touch base with Bonnie. Scott, could you reply to the list when you have contacted Chief Whitebird as I would be interested in this information as well. Thanks Andrea ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott A. Wyzlic" <scwyzlic@nmu.edu> Date: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 8:17 am Subject: Re: [NISHNAWBE] Forwarded message re: Bad River Indian Census > Bonnie, > I live in Marquette MI, and have some connections to BR. I will be > out > of town for the Grand River Tribal Elections this week, I leave > tomorrow, but will be able to contact Chief Whitebird when I > return and > I will ask him about where you should start. The tribal office > address > and phone number are: [Route 2, Box 355 Ashland, WI 54806 -> > 715.682.7155] This is for the tribal registration office, but they > can > probably direct you to what you are looking for. > > > RoundSky@aol.com wrote: > > >Can anyone help Bonnie? Please reply to blondie409@comcast.net > > > >I have found some names that I am researching on the Census of > Bad River > >Chippewa Indians, LaPointe Agency WI 30 June 1923. How would I > found out more > >information on these familes? > >They are CHINGWAY, CLOUD, & COUTURE > > > >Thank you, > >Bonnie Johnson > > > > > >============================== > >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > records, go to: > >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > Kitchii-Miigwetch (Thank you), > > S.A. Wyzlic > > "I am an Indian and can be nothing else, I wish my children to be > civilized, I know their ways are superior to ours and that my > people must adopt them or die, but I cannot change. The young can > adopt new ways but the old cannot, I shall soon die - living and > dying an Indian. You can bend a young tree but not an old oak." > Cob-moosa (good walker) > Great Chief of the Ottawa > > http://www.grboi.com > scwyzlic@nmu.edu > admin@grboi.com > (906)485-6583 home > (906)250-8733 cell > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Bonnie, I live in Marquette MI, and have some connections to BR. I will be out of town for the Grand River Tribal Elections this week, I leave tomorrow, but will be able to contact Chief Whitebird when I return and I will ask him about where you should start. The tribal office address and phone number are: [Route 2, Box 355 Ashland, WI 54806 -> 715.682.7155] This is for the tribal registration office, but they can probably direct you to what you are looking for. RoundSky@aol.com wrote: >Can anyone help Bonnie? Please reply to blondie409@comcast.net > >I have found some names that I am researching on the Census of Bad River >Chippewa Indians, LaPointe Agency WI 30 June 1923. How would I found out more >information on these familes? >They are CHINGWAY, CLOUD, & COUTURE > >Thank you, >Bonnie Johnson > > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > Kitchii-Miigwetch (Thank you), S.A. Wyzlic "I am an Indian and can be nothing else, I wish my children to be civilized, I know their ways are superior to ours and that my people must adopt them or die, but I cannot change. The young can adopt new ways but the old cannot, I shall soon die - living and dying an Indian. You can bend a young tree but not an old oak." Cob-moosa (good walker) Great Chief of the Ottawa http://www.grboi.com mailto:scwyzlic@nmu.edu mailto:admin@grboi.com (906)485-6583 home (906)250-8733 cell

Can anyone help Bonnie? Please reply to blondie409@comcast.net I have found some names that I am researching on the Census of Bad River Chippewa Indians, LaPointe Agency WI 30 June 1923. How would I found out more information on these familes? They are CHINGWAY, CLOUD, & COUTURE Thank you, Bonnie Johnson

Ahnee... These 2 sites was sent to me by a friend..My lines come from the U.P. in Michigan..But the American Indian Heritage site has lots of info. I thought someone might find it of interest..There are sooo many sites out there... Happy Hunting..Theresa "teri" B. American Indian Heritage Month.url>> http://www.infoplease.com/spot/aihm1.html <<Indian Country Wisconsin - Main Page.url>> http://www.mpm.edu/wirp/

Assistance needed: I have down that Frances Navarre married John Baptiste Degraff and that their daughter was Emma Emily Degraff who married Charles T. Chandonia. I feel in my gut this is wrong, does anyone have this information? It would be much appreciated as I am pulling my hair out here trying to figure it out Thanks in advance! Cindy

I recently joined the list and wondered if anyone ever wrote anything on it. Carol in Michigan --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.541 / Virus Database: 335 - Release Date: 11/14/2003

Hi Bill, Pam and Carol.. I'm Barbara LTBB Odawa... What names are you all researching? A few of mine are Paul, Keshawas, Kosequat, Ogedawnaquat, Matwance, Martell, Kezhick, ect ect Barbara --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard

Hi Carol. Sometimes the list is very active.. Other times we go through a quiet streak.. You joined at a quiet time.. But the group is well worth waiting for everyone to get active again... Barbara --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard

I also belong to this list and have not received any messages since about the same time. ----- Original Message ----- From: "The Hero Family" <patricor@bellsouth.net> To: <NISHNAWBE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 4:29 PM Subject: [NISHNAWBE] subscribe > I belong to the list but haven't re'd any messages since > Nov 2. If I have been removed for whatever reasons > please reinstate > > Pam Hero > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

I belong to the list but haven't re'd any messages since Nov 2. If I have been removed for whatever reasons please reinstate Pam Hero

Forwarded message. Please send reply to <edahlhisres1216@aol.com> Am searching for birth or baptism record of MARGARET PRATT. b. 1913 -14-, or 15, in Wisconsin, daughter of Jim Pratt and Mary Dufault. She was in an orphanage at Odanah, was adopted by John Bassett. Parents may have passed when she was a child. Any info would be most appreciated. Thank you

The TRAVERSE, Northern Michigan's Magazine has an article "Lies to Live By" by Lois Beardslee. It deal with Ojibwa legends. It is in the Nov. 2003 issue.

Isn't wrinkled meat what we call jerky? No disrespect intended. Jeff >From: Trashound@aol.com >Reply-To: NISHNAWBE-L@rootsweb.com >To: NISHNAWBE-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [NISHNAWBE] Mackinac Roots Website >Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 23:10:15 EST > >Actually, I should have updated that! Thanks to Larry in Minnesota he told >me his name was, and I guess this is for real, Chief Wrinkled Meat. I >guess he >was quite a character in Northern MN in the early part of the 20th C. >Thanks! Terry > > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, >go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > _________________________________________________________________ See when your friends are online with MSN Messenger 6.0. Download it now FREE! http://msnmessenger-download.com

In a message dated 11/2/2003 8:54:46 PM Eastern Standard Time, Trashound@aol.com writes: > > Larry - I enjoyed reading the 19th C. Webster's definition of education. I > am just wondering when the "manners" part was dropped! Sure seems in short > supply sometimes. I'm 46 years old and I still address my friends' parents > as > Mr. and Mrs. so and so unless they tell me otherwise. Younger people don't > do > that anymore among other things........ sorry an off topic comment > generated > by a frustrating day at work with young lazy and mouthy people. Terry Terry: I believe your "off topic comment" is at home, as a reminder here; and badly needed on many other boards. Whether we look at traditional western values, or the tenets of the seven grandfathers, many of us share the same concerns about todays youths. Sorry, to butt in on your post, but thought you would like to hear you are not alone in your views. Chuck

Terry I was able to access your site...Great !!! teri b ----- Original Message ----- From: <NISHNAWBE-D-request@rootsweb.com> To: <NISHNAWBE-D@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2003 4:01 PM Subject: NISHNAWBE-D Digest V03 #209

Larry - I enjoyed reading the 19th C. Webster's definition of education. I am just wondering when the "manners" part was dropped! Sure seems in short supply sometimes. I'm 46 years old and I still address my friends' parents as Mr. and Mrs. so and so unless they tell me otherwise. Younger people don't do that anymore among other things........ sorry an off topic comment generated by a frustrating day at work with young lazy and mouthy people. Terry