Wonder what Topenebee means... well, the "books" say quietly sitting Bear, or quietly sitting Eagle...one day during my research, I ran across an old old fur traders journal, in it he was taking notes of the language in the area... one word, Toben, meant Noisy then of course, nini meant Man...Noisy Man sounds about right to me seeings how he was the main chief, the talker of the tribe etc..... the books also claim that Pokgaon meant rib, cuz they claim that Pokagon had a human rib on him when they captured him... according to my fur traders notes, Pokagon, meant Human Flesh... ewwwwwwwwwww I shudder to think...lol Cindy -------Original Message------- From: NISHNAWBE-L@rootsweb.com Date: Sunday, November 30, 2003 10:35:09 To: NISHNAWBE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NISHNAWBE] Agacouchin, Charles F. (Wagacouchin) You wrote on Sat, 29 Nov 2003 23:02:38 -0700: > Do you know what Topenebee means? anita According to David Edmunds, Topinbee = "He Who Sits Quietly." regards - rdw ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 .

You wrote on Sat, 29 Nov 2003 23:02:38 -0700: > Do you know what Topenebee means? anita According to David Edmunds, Topinbee = "He Who Sits Quietly." regards - rdw

Hey Larry that sounds Like Christmas ----- MERRY CHRISTMAS everyone David >From: "Larry Friend" <friend@2z.net> >Reply-To: NISHNAWBE-L@rootsweb.com >To: NISHNAWBE-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [NISHNAWBE] Five Civilized Tribes 1893-1914 >Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 23:18:57 -0600 > >Hi All > >Happy Holiday! > >Received an email showing some specials from Ancestry. Thought this may be >of special interest to some. I'm not plugging anyone but some are >interested >in these records. > >The Dawes Commission and the Allotment of the Five Civilized Tribes >1893-1914 >Reg: $26.95 Special: 16.00 > >Take note of Webster's 1828 definition for holiday (holyday) below. > >Larry Friend (Black Buffalo) >friend@2z.net > >HOLIDAY. [See Holyday.] > >HOL'YDAY, n. A day set apart for commemorating some important event in >history; a festival intended to celebrate some event deemed auspicious to >the welfare of a nation; particularly an anniversary festival, devoted to >religious solemnities; as christmas holydays. >1. A day of joy and gayety. >2. A day of exemption from labor; a day of amusement. >(Webster's Dictionary 1828) > >============================================ > > > > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, >go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.msn.com%2f%3fpage%3dmisc%2fspecialoffers%26pgmarket%3den-ca

Lena The reasons shift around like sands of the desert. There were some that applied that were not eligible but times were also very corrupt. The most likely way of finding what you want may be the Freedom of Information Act but even that is tricky. Your request would have to include the record/s you want and since you don't know that... Well! You get the idea. Our search for records will all walk a different path and there is no group I am aware to help either. If you can find a book or two where someone has documented their search, you might find the exact form name and number to request. The apps are only a part of the big picture, many more documents were created. While they were created, many are yet today being systematically destroyed in violation of court orders and more. You are also standing alone in your fight as the BIA (Bury Indian Assets) does not want more, but fewer Indians. The Indian Law organization was created for Indigenous Rights but that is only for Tribes, Bands and enrolled members of a recognized Tribe or Band. Justice does not stand the test when it comes to Indian blood, Rights or Heirship. What most do not know is that Rights are only a people thing and that corporations are not people, but artificial entities. One example is that you can appear for yourself in court, whereas, a corporation must have a licensed attorney appear for them Chartered organizations can only have Rights granted them by the powers that granted them the charter to begin with and even these are subject to the whims of the powers that be. The recognized Tribes and Bands are existing under a charter granted by the US Government based on the Indian Reorganization Act. (Reorganized?) Indian Law and other organizations of their type fight based on these charters and forget the rest of us with blood, Rights and more. In all actuality these organizations say they fight for Indigenous Rights and so they should be there for us and not for charted organizations. The Freedom of Information Act is about the best tool we individuals have but even then the government uses the Privacy Act to block as much as possible from us. It is a long road but if we each keep trying and then share what we have done, others can learn to get the records that are ours to place our trees and lives together. Best of luck! Larry Friend (Black Buffalo) friend@2z.net EDUCA'TION, n. [L. educatio.] The bringing up, as of a child, instruction; formation of manners. Education comprehends all that series of instruction and discipline which is intended to enlighten the understanding, correct the temper, and form the manners and habits of youth, and fit them for usefulness in their future stations. To give children a good education in manners, arts and science, is important; to give them a religious education is indispensable; and an immense responsibility rests on parents and guardians who neglect these duties. (Webster's Dictionary 1828) ============================================ -----Original Message----- From: Lena [mailto:lena@valu-line.net] Sent: 29 November 2003 08:10 To: NISHNAWBE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NISHNAWBE] Five Civilized Tribes 1893-1914 I have a question that maybe you won't mind me asking privately. I have tried tracing back on Bass line for years. I have a couple of apps of family from 1907. they were rejected I have no idea why. I can not seem to get anyone to answer on a Native American line that does look ups on the rejected ones. is there some where I can check with the numbers I have to see why they were rejected? I am out of ideas, and have been searching in Michigan where one ended up and raised their children. Lena ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

> "What does the name Agacouchin (Wagacouchin) mean? < Wagiji > indicates on the top of something ... regards - rdw

I have a question that maybe you won't mind me asking privately. I have tried tracing back on Bass line for years. I have a couple of apps of family from 1907. they were rejected I have no idea why. I can not seem to get anyone to answer on a Native American line that does look ups on the rejected ones. is there some where I can check with the numbers I have to see why they were rejected? I am out of ideas, and have been searching in Michigan where one ended up and raised their children. Lena

Hi All Happy Holiday! Received an email showing some specials from Ancestry. Thought this may be of special interest to some. I'm not plugging anyone but some are interested in these records. The Dawes Commission and the Allotment of the Five Civilized Tribes 1893-1914 Reg: $26.95 Special: 16.00 Take note of Webster's 1828 definition for holiday (holyday) below. Larry Friend (Black Buffalo) friend@2z.net HOLIDAY. [See Holyday.] HOL'YDAY, n. A day set apart for commemorating some important event in history; a festival intended to celebrate some event deemed auspicious to the welfare of a nation; particularly an anniversary festival, devoted to religious solemnities; as christmas holydays. 1. A day of joy and gayety. 2. A day of exemption from labor; a day of amusement. (Webster's Dictionary 1828) ============================================

Hi, I am Anita Hall of the Citizen Potawatomi Nation. I have been trying to fill in the blanks in my family tree. I am also enjoying meeting many of my distant relatives. One of my cousins has brought up the question "What does the name Agacouchin mean? Does anyone on this list have information about the family of Agacouchin, Charles F. (Wagacouchin) b. Jul 12 1763?

Mt Pleasant is about in the north central part of Michigan. they have an Indian Casino there run by the Chippewa's....you can go to Mapquest.com and it will give you directions from where you live !

You can look in the yellow pages online & check maps & driving directions on mapquest for the location of Mt. Pleasant the reservation there is Saint Isabella. You may also want to check the Mt. Pleasant Indian School. -----Original Message----- From: james mayberry [mailto:jmay330@sbcglobal.net] Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 9:36 AM To: NISHNAWBE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NISHNAWBE] Chamberlands carol, is there any way to research this, like address or phone number for research. live in north east ohio, so not too close to mich. anymore. --- Carol Lalonde Hamp <carolhamp@voyager.net> wrote: > There are native american chamberlands in the Mt. > Pleasant chippewa Indians. One was the chief I > believe. > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system > (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.541 / Virus Database: 335 - Release > Date: 11/14/2003 > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion > online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Hi, The tribe in Michigan are called the Saginaw Chippewas. They have an Online Newspaper: http://www.sagchip.org/tribalobserver/ you might find something of interest, someone to contact, etc., through that. Nancy --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now

carol, is there any way to research this, like address or phone number for research. live in north east ohio, so not too close to mich. anymore. --- Carol Lalonde Hamp <carolhamp@voyager.net> wrote: > There are native american chamberlands in the Mt. > Pleasant chippewa Indians. One was the chief I > believe. > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system > (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.541 / Virus Database: 335 - Release > Date: 11/14/2003 > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion > online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

thx larry had it for larose but not chamberland. --- Larry Friend <friend@2z.net> wrote: > James > > http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/mi/wayne/vitals/marriage/dbn-apr3-2003. > txt > Wayne County, Michigan Dibean Marriage Index; > Copyright � 2003 by Jack and > Marianne Dibean. > CHAMBERLAIN,EVA JUNE CHAMBERLAIN,KITCHEN,DUFFERN > DUNFIELD KITCHEN,WAYNE,,00 > XXX 1915,---,---,---, > CHAMBERLAIN,MILLIE J CHAMBERLAIN,MINER,HENRY J > MINER,WAYNE,,14 OCT > 1868,---,---,---, > CHAMBERLAIN,NORTEN - CHAMBERLAIN,ANDEM,CATHERINE - > ANDEM,WAYNE,,00 XXX > 1862,---,---,---,Michelle Walsh > CHAMBERLAND,JOSEPH - CHAMBERLAND,LAROSE,JOSEPHINE - > LAROSE,WAYNE,,19 FEB > 1798,---,---,---, > CHAMBERLAND,MONICA - > CHANVERLANGE~CHAMBERLAND,ROBERT,ISAAC - > ROBERT,WAYNE,,16 SEP 1817,---,---,---, > CHAMBERLIN,CHARLES LAFAYETH > CHAMBERLIN,PETERS,CATHERINE - PETERS,WAYNE,,29 > SEP 1852,---,---,---, > CHAMBERLIN,MIRANDA CLARK CHAMBERLIN,WARREN,HORACE > HOMER WARREN,WAYNE,,16 MAR > 1853,---,---,---, > DEGUIRE,MARIE - LAROSE~DEGUIRE,GOUYOU,JEAN BAPTISTE > GOUYOU,WAYNE,,29 JAN > 1720,---,---,---, > LAROSE,MARIE - DEGUIRE~LAROSE,GOUYOU,JEAN BAPTISTE > GOUYOU,WAYNE,,29 JAN > 1720,---,---,---, > LAROSE,HENRY - LAROSE,TRUDEL,MARY JOSEPH > TRUDEL,WAYNE,,13 FEB > 1804,---,---,---, > LAROSE,JOSEPHINE - LAROSE,CHAMBERLAND,JOSEPH - > CHAMBERLAND,WAYNE,,19 FEB > 1798,---,---,---, > LAROSE,ELISABETH ISABELLA LAROSE,CANONIER,JOHN > BAPTIST CANONIER,WAYNE,,27 > FEB > 1797,richdi.vanwasshnova@verizon.net,---,---,NEW > > If you didn't already see these, they may help your > search. > > Larry Friend (Black Buffalo) > friend@2z.net > > EDUCA'TION, n. [L. educatio.] The bringing up, as > of a child, instruction; > formation of manners. Education comprehends all that > series of instruction > and discipline which is intended to enlighten the > understanding, correct the > temper, and form the manners and habits of youth, > and fit them for > usefulness in their future stations. To give > children a good education in > manners, arts and science, is important; to give > them a religious education > is indispensable; and an immense responsibility > rests on parents and > guardians who neglect these duties. > (Webster's Dictionary 1828) > > ============================================ > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: james mayberry [mailto:jmay330@sbcglobal.net] > Sent: 23 November 2003 18:58 > To: NISHNAWBE-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [NISHNAWBE] Chamberlands > > > thx carol, > next question is, where is mt. pleasant? > the reason why is because i'm not from michigan but > ohio and on the east side now(toledo originally). > but the chamberlands for me were from detroit and > monroe(french town). dates are approximatly > 1790-now. > starting with joseph chamberland. he is listed in > the > early families of the detroit river area. have found > nothing on his parents or where he originated from. > > as to larose, i only know that there was a birth in > detroit in 1770 and marraige to chamberland in 1790. > her name was josephine larose, born to a frenchman > larose and native woman.listed w/ joseph in same > book > as daughter of a savage. her cemetary records say > same > about parents. > > i have a direct line filled in to now and back to > france through quebec. > > i am trying to fill in some blanks that are holding > some things up. > > my wife is blackfeet and our children are having a > naming ceremony and i need to fill in my back ground > for them and our elders. > > thx, > jim > > --- Carol Lalonde Hamp <carolhamp@voyager.net> > wrote: > > There are native american chamberlands in the Mt. > > Pleasant chippewa Indians. One was the chief I > > believe. > > > > > > --- > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system > > (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.541 / Virus Database: 335 - Release > > Date: 11/14/2003 > > > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion > > online genealogy records, go to: > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion > online genealogy records, go > to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion > online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

thx carol, any more info would be great. i know it was spelled chamberland through the 1820 census. and then the 1840 census it was changed to chamberlain. also does anyone have any of the canadian censuses for michigan before 1790. for detroit and windsor. --- Carol Lalonde Hamp <carolhamp@voyager.net> wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Carol Lalonde Hamp > To: NISHNAWBE_L@ROOTSWEB.COM > Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2003 10:18 PM > Subject: Chamberlands > > > Hi James, Mt Pleasant is located in the center of > the lower peninsula of Michigan. It is possible some > of your ancestors went there. I found the name as > Chamberlain in the 1879-1909- Ottawa and Chippewa > Indians of Mi.also. I know several of the name came > through Canada. > Carol > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system > (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.541 / Virus Database: 335 - Release > Date: 11/14/2003 > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion > online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

thanks recieved that info about 4 wks ago. --- "monmouth.com" <crown-7@monmouth.com> wrote: > Jim - > > Do you have the reference to Josepthe Larose > (daughter of Larose and Indian > Woman) from "Souls of St. Antoine's of Frenchtown, > Monroe Co, MI"? She > married Joseph Chamberland before 1829. > > Cheryl > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "james mayberry" <jmay330@sbcglobal.net> > To: <NISHNAWBE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2003 19:57 > Subject: Re: [NISHNAWBE] Chamberlands > > > > thx carol, > > next question is, where is mt. pleasant? > > the reason why is because i'm not from michigan > but > > ohio and on the east side now(toledo originally). > > but the chamberlands for me were from detroit > and > > monroe(french town). dates are approximatly > 1790-now. > > starting with joseph chamberland. he is listed in > the > > early families of the detroit river area. have > found > > nothing on his parents or where he originated > from. > > > > as to larose, i only know that there was a birth > in > > detroit in 1770 and marraige to chamberland in > 1790. > > her name was josephine larose, born to a frenchman > > larose and native woman.listed w/ joseph in same > book > > as daughter of a savage. her cemetary records say > same > > about parents. > > > > i have a direct line filled in to now and back to > > france through quebec. > > > > i am trying to fill in some blanks that are > holding > > some things up. > > > > my wife is blackfeet and our children are having > a > > naming ceremony and i need to fill in my back > ground > > for them and our elders. > > > > thx, > > jim > > > > --- Carol Lalonde Hamp <carolhamp@voyager.net> > wrote: > > > There are native american chamberlands in the > Mt. > > > Pleasant chippewa Indians. One was the chief I > > > believe. > > > > > > > > > --- > > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system > > > (http://www.grisoft.com). > > > Version: 6.0.541 / Virus Database: 335 - Release > > > Date: 11/14/2003 > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion > > > online genealogy records, go to: > > > > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion > online genealogy records, > go to: > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion > online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

James http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/mi/wayne/vitals/marriage/dbn-apr3-2003. txt Wayne County, Michigan Dibean Marriage Index; Copyright © 2003 by Jack and Marianne Dibean. CHAMBERLAIN,EVA JUNE CHAMBERLAIN,KITCHEN,DUFFERN DUNFIELD KITCHEN,WAYNE,,00 XXX 1915,---,---,---, CHAMBERLAIN,MILLIE J CHAMBERLAIN,MINER,HENRY J MINER,WAYNE,,14 OCT 1868,---,---,---, CHAMBERLAIN,NORTEN - CHAMBERLAIN,ANDEM,CATHERINE - ANDEM,WAYNE,,00 XXX 1862,---,---,---,Michelle Walsh CHAMBERLAND,JOSEPH - CHAMBERLAND,LAROSE,JOSEPHINE - LAROSE,WAYNE,,19 FEB 1798,---,---,---, CHAMBERLAND,MONICA - CHANVERLANGE~CHAMBERLAND,ROBERT,ISAAC - ROBERT,WAYNE,,16 SEP 1817,---,---,---, CHAMBERLIN,CHARLES LAFAYETH CHAMBERLIN,PETERS,CATHERINE - PETERS,WAYNE,,29 SEP 1852,---,---,---, CHAMBERLIN,MIRANDA CLARK CHAMBERLIN,WARREN,HORACE HOMER WARREN,WAYNE,,16 MAR 1853,---,---,---, DEGUIRE,MARIE - LAROSE~DEGUIRE,GOUYOU,JEAN BAPTISTE GOUYOU,WAYNE,,29 JAN 1720,---,---,---, LAROSE,MARIE - DEGUIRE~LAROSE,GOUYOU,JEAN BAPTISTE GOUYOU,WAYNE,,29 JAN 1720,---,---,---, LAROSE,HENRY - LAROSE,TRUDEL,MARY JOSEPH TRUDEL,WAYNE,,13 FEB 1804,---,---,---, LAROSE,JOSEPHINE - LAROSE,CHAMBERLAND,JOSEPH - CHAMBERLAND,WAYNE,,19 FEB 1798,---,---,---, LAROSE,ELISABETH ISABELLA LAROSE,CANONIER,JOHN BAPTIST CANONIER,WAYNE,,27 FEB 1797,richdi.vanwasshnova@verizon.net,---,---,NEW If you didn't already see these, they may help your search. Larry Friend (Black Buffalo) friend@2z.net EDUCA'TION, n. [L. educatio.] The bringing up, as of a child, instruction; formation of manners. Education comprehends all that series of instruction and discipline which is intended to enlighten the understanding, correct the temper, and form the manners and habits of youth, and fit them for usefulness in their future stations. To give children a good education in manners, arts and science, is important; to give them a religious education is indispensable; and an immense responsibility rests on parents and guardians who neglect these duties. (Webster's Dictionary 1828) ============================================ -----Original Message----- From: james mayberry [mailto:jmay330@sbcglobal.net] Sent: 23 November 2003 18:58 To: NISHNAWBE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NISHNAWBE] Chamberlands thx carol, next question is, where is mt. pleasant? the reason why is because i'm not from michigan but ohio and on the east side now(toledo originally). but the chamberlands for me were from detroit and monroe(french town). dates are approximatly 1790-now. starting with joseph chamberland. he is listed in the early families of the detroit river area. have found nothing on his parents or where he originated from. as to larose, i only know that there was a birth in detroit in 1770 and marraige to chamberland in 1790. her name was josephine larose, born to a frenchman larose and native woman.listed w/ joseph in same book as daughter of a savage. her cemetary records say same about parents. i have a direct line filled in to now and back to france through quebec. i am trying to fill in some blanks that are holding some things up. my wife is blackfeet and our children are having a naming ceremony and i need to fill in my back ground for them and our elders. thx, jim --- Carol Lalonde Hamp <carolhamp@voyager.net> wrote: > There are native american chamberlands in the Mt. > Pleasant chippewa Indians. One was the chief I > believe. > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system > (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.541 / Virus Database: 335 - Release > Date: 11/14/2003 > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion > online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

----- Original Message ----- From: Carol Lalonde Hamp To: NISHNAWBE_L@ROOTSWEB.COM Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2003 10:18 PM Subject: Chamberlands Hi James, Mt Pleasant is located in the center of the lower peninsula of Michigan. It is possible some of your ancestors went there. I found the name as Chamberlain in the 1879-1909- Ottawa and Chippewa Indians of Mi.also. I know several of the name came through Canada. Carol --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.541 / Virus Database: 335 - Release Date: 11/14/2003

Jim - Do you have the reference to Josepthe Larose (daughter of Larose and Indian Woman) from "Souls of St. Antoine's of Frenchtown, Monroe Co, MI"? She married Joseph Chamberland before 1829. Cheryl ----- Original Message ----- From: "james mayberry" <jmay330@sbcglobal.net> To: <NISHNAWBE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2003 19:57 Subject: Re: [NISHNAWBE] Chamberlands > thx carol, > next question is, where is mt. pleasant? > the reason why is because i'm not from michigan but > ohio and on the east side now(toledo originally). > but the chamberlands for me were from detroit and > monroe(french town). dates are approximatly 1790-now. > starting with joseph chamberland. he is listed in the > early families of the detroit river area. have found > nothing on his parents or where he originated from. > > as to larose, i only know that there was a birth in > detroit in 1770 and marraige to chamberland in 1790. > her name was josephine larose, born to a frenchman > larose and native woman.listed w/ joseph in same book > as daughter of a savage. her cemetary records say same > about parents. > > i have a direct line filled in to now and back to > france through quebec. > > i am trying to fill in some blanks that are holding > some things up. > > my wife is blackfeet and our children are having a > naming ceremony and i need to fill in my back ground > for them and our elders. > > thx, > jim > > --- Carol Lalonde Hamp <carolhamp@voyager.net> wrote: > > There are native american chamberlands in the Mt. > > Pleasant chippewa Indians. One was the chief I > > believe. > > > > > > --- > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system > > (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.541 / Virus Database: 335 - Release > > Date: 11/14/2003 > > > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion > > online genealogy records, go to: > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

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need info on the name shoupong. would be from ohio or michigan. have a marrage to margaret shoupong in 1840 in ohio. thx, jim