i have a mary larose, married 1720 detroit, mi.to john baptist gouyou. her parents were james larose and mary lafleur. does anyone have any info on her siblings and children. i also have a henry larose,abt 1779 in detroit, married to mary joseph trudel on 13 feb. 1804 in detroit.does anyone have any info on his parents or siblings. thx, jim

okay thx larry. wierd though since st. annes has on their web site that they were started in 1701 2 days after cadillac arrived in detroit and has records back to 1704, because of fire in 1703. when i called st. annes they said they will search back to 1840's only, to check the burton collection for earlier. thx, jim - Larry Friend <friend@2z.net> wrote: > James > > Many old records are on-line at > http://www.gbl.indiana.edu/ > > The St. Joseph Baptismal Register (1727-1731) > http://www.gbl.indiana.edu/archives/miamis7/M23-30_16a.html > > Larry Friend (Black Buffalo) > friend@2z.net > > EDUCA'TION, n. [L. educatio.] The bringing up, as > of a child, instruction; > formation of manners. Education comprehends all that > series of instruction > and discipline which is intended to enlighten the > understanding, correct the > temper, and form the manners and habits of youth, > and fit them for > usefulness in their future stations. To give > children a good education in > manners, arts and science, is important; to give > them a religious education > is indispensable; and an immense responsibility > rests on parents and > guardians who neglect these duties. > (Webster's Dictionary 1828) > > ============================================ > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: james mayberry [mailto:jmay330@sbcglobal.net] > Sent: 05 December 2003 13:29 > To: NISHNAWBE-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [NISHNAWBE] need records help > > > looking for anyone who may have st. anne's church > records from 1704-1800, besides burton collection. > too > far to drive at this time and will not do complete > look-up. st. anne's only has back to 1840s records > available. > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion > online genealogy records, go > to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion > online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

is any one familiar with that name? I have a hard time finding anything. Lena

James Many old records are on-line at http://www.gbl.indiana.edu/ The St. Joseph Baptismal Register (1727-1731) http://www.gbl.indiana.edu/archives/miamis7/M23-30_16a.html Larry Friend (Black Buffalo) friend@2z.net EDUCA'TION, n. [L. educatio.] The bringing up, as of a child, instruction; formation of manners. Education comprehends all that series of instruction and discipline which is intended to enlighten the understanding, correct the temper, and form the manners and habits of youth, and fit them for usefulness in their future stations. To give children a good education in manners, arts and science, is important; to give them a religious education is indispensable; and an immense responsibility rests on parents and guardians who neglect these duties. (Webster's Dictionary 1828) ============================================ -----Original Message----- From: james mayberry [mailto:jmay330@sbcglobal.net] Sent: 05 December 2003 13:29 To: NISHNAWBE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [NISHNAWBE] need records help looking for anyone who may have st. anne's church records from 1704-1800, besides burton collection. too far to drive at this time and will not do complete look-up. st. anne's only has back to 1840s records available. ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

James St Anne's did not exist that early. About the closest place in any of that time period would have been Michilimacinac (many spellings of this). But going back to 1704 will most likely be looking at records of Acadia and early Quebec. Early Detroit area in last half of those years. One of the first to cross the Appalachian Mountains was Daniel Boone. He was born in 1743. The French Indian Wars took place 1754-1763. Nearly all white towns or settlements were in the east or along main waterways at key or strategic locations. The American Flag first flew over Fort Mackinac in 1796 because of provisions of the 1794 Jay Treaty. So the earliest records of the region would be early English/French. You may wish to look at the maps at: http://xroads.virginia.edu/~MAP/TERRITORY/ The following clearly shows the region as part of Quebec. http://xroads.virginia.edu/~MAP/TERRITORY/us_1775.jpg All of these maps help tremendously for a visual timeframe of an area being researched. In the years stated, that region was under several territories before statehood came about. So you may find what you actually want in Quebec or Territorial records. Also! if you look at the maps of 1810 and 1820 you will the region under Michigan, and to the west Indiana Territory, but yet the British flag flew. Did those born in this time period consider themselves born Canada as it was yet the governing body for the area? Hope this helps! Larry Friend (Black Buffalo) friend@2z.net ============================================ -----Original Message----- From: james mayberry [mailto:jmay330@sbcglobal.net] Sent: 05 December 2003 13:29 To: NISHNAWBE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [NISHNAWBE] need records help looking for anyone who may have st. anne's church records from 1704-1800, besides burton collection. too far to drive at this time and will not do complete look-up. st. anne's only has back to 1840s records available. ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

looking for anyone who may have st. anne's church records from 1704-1800, besides burton collection. too far to drive at this time and will not do complete look-up. st. anne's only has back to 1840s records available.

I have always said the same thing about the migissy and muckwah not being there....but this ancient old furtraders book, dont know the name, but I found it at the University of Notre Dame Library...*they have LOTS of ancient materials that are turning to dust*, in this guy's notes, he said that "toben" meant noisy in the algonquin language... I cant offer any more than that... Cindy -------Original Message------- From: NISHNAWBE-L@rootsweb.com Date: Monday, December 01, 2003 13:40:44 To: NISHNAWBE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NISHNAWBE] Agacouchin, Charles F. (Wagacouchin) > Wonder what Topenebee means... >well, the "books" say quietly sitting Bear, or quietly sitting Eagle...one >day during my research, I ran across an old old fur traders journal, in it >he was taking notes of the language in the area... I've seen this 'translation' attributed to Jacob Piatt Dunn, early twentieth-century historian. I don't know how he might be on Anishinaabemowin translations, but there are plenty of reliable contemporary sources available, both Speakers and written text. Looks like a "looks-like" translation. A lot of "sit" forms will end with -abi, but so do a lot of Anishinaabemowin words that have nothing to do with "sit." Romig (who is not to be trusted w/ Anishinaabemowin translations) in MICHIGAN PLACE NAMES says "said to mean Great Bear Heart." Elsewhere I've seen "Peacemaker." Makwa is bear, migizi is a bald eagle. >one word, Toben, meant Noisy ?? > the books also claim that Pokgaon meant rib, Yup, from word for 'rib.' regards - rdw ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 .

Thanks for the information Scott. Andrea ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott A. Wyzlic" <scwyzlic@nmu.edu> To: <NISHNAWBE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 12:03 PM Subject: Re: [NISHNAWBE] Forwarded message re: Bad River Indian Census > Andrea, > Unfortunately Chief Whitebird is dealing with some dificult family > situations at this time and I don't want to distract him from his > duties. I talked to another tribal citizen who was raised there and he > told me the Cloud and Couture families are still on the Rez, but your > best bet is to get in touch with the tribal office for information > regarding family histories: > > Bad River Band of Lake Superior Chippewa > P.O. Box 39 > Odanah WI 54861 > > Tel. 715/682-7111 > Fax 715/682-7118 > > > aarjan@shaw.ca wrote: > > >I am researching one of the names mentioned - Couture - and would like to touch base with Bonnie. Scott, could you reply to the list when you have contacted Chief Whitebird as I would be interested in this information as well. > > > >Thanks > > > >Andrea > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Scott A. Wyzlic" <scwyzlic@nmu.edu> > >Date: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 8:17 am > >Subject: Re: [NISHNAWBE] Forwarded message re: Bad River Indian Census > > > > > > > >>Bonnie, > >>I live in Marquette MI, and have some connections to BR. I will be > >>out > >>of town for the Grand River Tribal Elections this week, I leave > >>tomorrow, but will be able to contact Chief Whitebird when I > >>return and > >>I will ask him about where you should start. The tribal office > >>address > >>and phone number are: [Route 2, Box 355 Ashland, WI 54806 -> > >>715.682.7155] This is for the tribal registration office, but they > >>can > >>probably direct you to what you are looking for. > >> > >> > >>RoundSky@aol.com wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >>>Can anyone help Bonnie? Please reply to blondie409@comcast.net > >>> > >>>I have found some names that I am researching on the Census of > >>> > >>> > >>Bad River > >> > >> > >>>Chippewa Indians, LaPointe Agency WI 30 June 1923. How would I > >>> > >>> > >>found out more > >> > >> > >>>information on these familes? > >>>They are CHINGWAY, CLOUD, & COUTURE > >>> > >>>Thank you, > >>>Bonnie Johnson > >>> > >>> > >>>============================== > >>>To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > >>> > >>> > >>records, go to: > >> > >> > >>>http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>Kitchii-Miigwetch (Thank you), > >> > >>S.A. Wyzlic > >> > >>"I am an Indian and can be nothing else, I wish my children to be > >>civilized, I know their ways are superior to ours and that my > >>people must adopt them or die, but I cannot change. The young can > >>adopt new ways but the old cannot, I shall soon die - living and > >>dying an Indian. You can bend a young tree but not an old oak." > >>Cob-moosa (good walker) > >>Great Chief of the Ottawa > >> > >>http://www.grboi.com > >>scwyzlic@nmu.edu > >>admin@grboi.com > >>(906)485-6583 home > >>(906)250-8733 cell > >> > >> > >> > >>============================== > >>To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > >>records, go to: > >>http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > >============================== > >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > -- > Kitchii-Miigwetch, > > S.A. Wyzlic > > "A popular Government without popular information or the means of acquiring it, is but a Prologue to a Farce or a Tragedy or perhaps both. Knowledge will forever govern ignorance, and a people who mean to be their own Governors, must arm themselves with the power knowledge gives." > -James Madison > > http://www.grboi.com > mailto:scwyzlic@nmu.edu > mailto:admin@grboi.com > (906)485-6583 home > (906)250-8733 cell > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Andrea, Unfortunately Chief Whitebird is dealing with some dificult family situations at this time and I don't want to distract him from his duties. I talked to another tribal citizen who was raised there and he told me the Cloud and Couture families are still on the Rez, but your best bet is to get in touch with the tribal office for information regarding family histories: Bad River Band of Lake Superior Chippewa P.O. Box 39 Odanah WI 54861 Tel. 715/682-7111 Fax 715/682-7118 aarjan@shaw.ca wrote: >I am researching one of the names mentioned - Couture - and would like to touch base with Bonnie. Scott, could you reply to the list when you have contacted Chief Whitebird as I would be interested in this information as well. > >Thanks > >Andrea > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Scott A. Wyzlic" <scwyzlic@nmu.edu> >Date: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 8:17 am >Subject: Re: [NISHNAWBE] Forwarded message re: Bad River Indian Census > > > >>Bonnie, >>I live in Marquette MI, and have some connections to BR. I will be >>out >>of town for the Grand River Tribal Elections this week, I leave >>tomorrow, but will be able to contact Chief Whitebird when I >>return and >>I will ask him about where you should start. The tribal office >>address >>and phone number are: [Route 2, Box 355 Ashland, WI 54806 -> >>715.682.7155] This is for the tribal registration office, but they >>can >>probably direct you to what you are looking for. >> >> >>RoundSky@aol.com wrote: >> >> >> >>>Can anyone help Bonnie? Please reply to blondie409@comcast.net >>> >>>I have found some names that I am researching on the Census of >>> >>> >>Bad River >> >> >>>Chippewa Indians, LaPointe Agency WI 30 June 1923. How would I >>> >>> >>found out more >> >> >>>information on these familes? >>>They are CHINGWAY, CLOUD, & COUTURE >>> >>>Thank you, >>>Bonnie Johnson >>> >>> >>>============================== >>>To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy >>> >>> >>records, go to: >> >> >>>http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>Kitchii-Miigwetch (Thank you), >> >>S.A. Wyzlic >> >>"I am an Indian and can be nothing else, I wish my children to be >>civilized, I know their ways are superior to ours and that my >>people must adopt them or die, but I cannot change. The young can >>adopt new ways but the old cannot, I shall soon die - living and >>dying an Indian. You can bend a young tree but not an old oak." >>Cob-moosa (good walker) >>Great Chief of the Ottawa >> >>http://www.grboi.com >>scwyzlic@nmu.edu >>admin@grboi.com >>(906)485-6583 home >>(906)250-8733 cell >> >> >> >>============================== >>To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy >>records, go to: >>http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >> >> >> >> > > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > -- Kitchii-Miigwetch, S.A. Wyzlic "A popular Government without popular information or the means of acquiring it, is but a Prologue to a Farce or a Tragedy or perhaps both. Knowledge will forever govern ignorance, and a people who mean to be their own Governors, must arm themselves with the power knowledge gives." -James Madison http://www.grboi.com mailto:scwyzlic@nmu.edu mailto:admin@grboi.com (906)485-6583 home (906)250-8733 cell

Jim - your entry says: Nicolas Pelletier husband of Madeleine Tegoussi (widow of Auguste Savage) and of an Indian woman, Marie, daughter of grand chief Jean Baptiste Nanabesa Good luck in your search! Terry

Thanks for this Gary! It is EXCELLENT!!! Spiritdove ~v~ on 12/2/03 11:32 PM, Gary Boivin at gboivin@telusplanet.net wrote: > An elder Cherokee Native American was teaching his Grandchildren about > life. He said to them, > > "A fight is going on inside me... > It is a terrible fight and it is between 2 wolves. > > One wolf represents fear, anger, envy, sorrow, regret, greed, arrogance, > self-pity, guilt, resentment, inferiority, lies, false pride, superiority, > and ego. > > The other stands for joy, peace, love, hope, sharing, serenity, humility, > kindness, benevolence, friendship, empathy, generosity, truth, compassion, > and faith. > > This same fight is going on inside you... > And inside every other person, too..." > > They thought about it for a minute... > Then one child asked his grandfather: > "Which wolf will win?" > > The old Cherokee simply replied... > "The one you feed." > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go > to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

thanks gary, the tanquay set worked well, alot of info to be had there for alot of people. also the listings for the dit surnames and the native marriages. so now i need some info on nicolas pelletier. was sharing info with my mom, all my geneolgy notes and trees were destroyed in flood this year(15 yrs of notes trying to remember..............right). okay straight from tanquay's book, pelletier,nicolas epoux de tegoussi,madeleine(veuve d'auguste savage)et de savagesse,marie,fille du grand chief jean-bte nanabesa my french is rusty so i think it says, nicolas married to madeleine daughter of savage marie wife of grand chief jean-bte. so if any one has info on nicolas and his children, the help would be great. familysearch.com has some info, but is choppy and hard to put together. thx, jim --- Gary Boivin <gboivin@telusplanet.net> wrote: > Under the French... > The City of Detroit was called Ste-Anne. > Detroit was the region that took in both shores of > the waters between Lake > Ste-Claire and Lake Erie. > Ste-Anne's was the 1st church so you will find > marriages of people from > present day Canada there. You will also find > marriages in the 2nd church > built: Assumption Church in Sandwich, Ontario which > was called "La Pointe de > Montreal du Detroit". > BTW... Windsor itself did not exist as a town in the > early 1700's. It was > simply farmland / bush land. The town for the region > was present-day > Detroit. > *** > If you live in the Detroit-Windsor area you should > be able to access > Denissen's "Genealogy of the French Families of the > Detroit River Region, > 1701-1911" through your local libraries Reference > Section. Just remember > that Denissen wasn't French and he anglicized most > names. The date and > location data in the books is fairly accurate but he > should have learned to > spell in French. > *** > Many marriages in Essex County of Southwestern > Ontario can be found at > http://www.rootsweb.com/~onessex/western.htm > *** > Bill Martin has a good research site. > http://my.tbaytel.net/bmartin/sitemap.htm > On his site you will find copies of Registries from > Assumption Church in > Sandwich (again the spelling of names) > Baptisms http://my.tbaytel.net/bmartin/detroit1.htm > Marriages http://my.tbaytel.net/bmartin/detroit2.htm > Burials http://my.tbaytel.net/bmartin/detroit3.htm > *** > The Government of Quebec has put the 7 volumes of > Tanguay on line. > In it you will find baptisms, marriages, burials for > the Detroit Region. > With some families this information will go to the > early 1800's. > Most stop in the mid 1760's though. > If you want to access and need help in understanding > French instructions go > to > http://www.rootsweb.com/~canqc/tanguay.htm > If you can read French, you can access it at > http://www.bnquebec.ca/numtextes/accueil.htm > > Tanguay's accuracy depends on your family line. Some > families he is 99+% > accurate while with a few others he's 85% accurate. > Most inaccuracies have been corrected in Lebeuf's > Compl�ment -- some > Tanguay CD's have Lebeuf included while other's > don't. > Overall I give Tanguay a rating of 95 > 98 % > accuracy. > For one thing it is a valuable tool. No other > single source has attempted > to list all the data contained in the Tanguay. > Cyprien Tanguay didn't have > the modern tools that we have (computers) and his > volumes are a feat in > research that at least gives us an indication as to > where to look to find > what > we need. > I would recommend you continue using Tanguay as a > tool and, whenever > possible, verify the data you've found. I look at it > in the sense that 95% > of something is much better than 100% of nothing. > *** > In the early 1700's people did a lot of moving > around. > Some marriages from Michilimackinac can be found at > http://www.leveillee.net/ancestry/fortmichilimackinac.htm > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "james mayberry" <jmay330@sbcglobal.net> > To: <NISHNAWBE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 7:20 AM > Subject: [NISHNAWBE] looking for info > > > > is there a site or place i could call that would > have > > info on the detroit and windsor areas. > specifically > > for the period of 1700-1800, and includes native > > americans. > > > > also does anyone have any french census for the > > detroit area before 1790. may be included with > windsor > > or ontario. > > > > i have read that there were 17 families in the > windsor > > area in the early 1700s. does anyone have a list > of > > their names. cant find that info anywhere. > > > > lastly,i know st. annes was the main church in > > detroit. was there any other that would have done > > native and french marriages in the mid 1700s. > > > > long list but any info appreciated. > > > > thx, > > jim > > > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion > online genealogy records, > go to: > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion > online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

An elder Cherokee Native American was teaching his Grandchildren about life. He said to them, "A fight is going on inside me... It is a terrible fight and it is between 2 wolves. One wolf represents fear, anger, envy, sorrow, regret, greed, arrogance, self-pity, guilt, resentment, inferiority, lies, false pride, superiority, and ego. The other stands for joy, peace, love, hope, sharing, serenity, humility, kindness, benevolence, friendship, empathy, generosity, truth, compassion, and faith. This same fight is going on inside you... And inside every other person, too..." They thought about it for a minute... Then one child asked his grandfather: "Which wolf will win?" The old Cherokee simply replied... "The one you feed."

Gary Celine's ancestors are responsible for several notibles. Just thought the French lines might be of interest. http://www.gale.ancestry.com/library/view/columns/eastman/5883.asp Madonna, Celine Dion, and Camilla Parker-Bowles: Relatives – Dick Eastman What do pop queen Madonna, Canadian singer Celine Dion, and the Prince Of Wales' mistress Camilla Parker-Bowles have in common? One genealogist claims that they are all related. American genealogist William Addams Reitwiesner has found that Bowles' great-grandparents from nine generations ago were also ancestors of the two singers. The relevant individuals, all French-Canadians, lived in the seventeenth century. Camilla and Madonna are both descended frpm Zacharie Cloutier (1617-1708), while Camilla and Celine descend from Jean Guyon (1619-94) - both of whom died in Chateau-Richer, Quebec. Larry Friend (Black Buffalo) friend@2z.net ============================================

hello I believe you can go to: www.nara.gov National archives site in Chicago; you can even email them and they will tell you to come in; they are quite helpful.

For those interested... Celine DION's father died. Here's his obituary. It is in French Obituary... As it appeared in La Presse de Montréal on December 02 2003 DION, Adhémar 1923 - 2003 Dimanche matin, le 30 novembre 2003, entouré des siens, chez lui à Laval, M. Adhémar Dion est décédé dans son sommeil, à l'âge de 80 ans. Il laisse dans le deuil sa femme madame Thérèse Tanguay, ses 14 enfants Denise (Yvon Dodier), Clément (Denise Dumont), Claudette (Serge Gaudet), Liette (Guy Poirier), Michel (Danielle Corbeil), Louise (Pierre Tremblay), Jacques (Geneviève Garceau), Daniel (Danielle Giguère), Ghyslaine (Jacques Talbot), Linda (Alain Sylvestre), Manon (Georges Shelling), Pauline (Marc Martel), Paul et Céline (René Angelil) de même que 30 petits-enfants et 11 arrière-petits-enfants. Ceux qui souhaitent rendre un dernier hommage à monsieur Dion et offrir leur sympathie à sa famille, pourront le faire le mercredi 3 décembre entre 17 heures et 19 heures au 2159, boul. St-Martin Est, Duvernay, Laval Les funérailles seront célébrées dans l'intimité à l'église de Charlemagne, le jeudi 4 décembre à 11 heures. Vous pouvez faire parvenir des fleurs au salon funéraire ou des dons à la Fondation Achille-Tanguay, 102, Émile-Despins, Charlemagne, (Qc) J5Z 3L6. *** (translation by Gary Boivin DION, Adhémar 1923 - 2003 Sunday morning, November 30, 2003, Mr. Adhemar Dion passed away in his sleep surrounded by his family at his home in Laval. He was 80 years of age. He leaves to mourn him his wife Mrs. Thérèse Tanguay, his 14 children Denise (Yvon Dodier), Clément (Denise Dumont), Claudette (Serge Gaudet), Liette (Guy Poirier), Michel (Danielle Corbeil), Louise (Pierre Tremblay), Jacques (Geneviève Garceau), Daniel (Danielle Giguère), Ghyslaine (Jacques Talbot), Linda (Alain Sylvestre), Manon (Georges Shelling), Pauline (Marc Martel), Paul and Céline (René Angelil) along with 30 grandchildren and 11 great-grandchildren. Those wishing to pay their final respects to Mr. Dion and express their sympathies to the family can do so on Wednesday, December 3rd between 5 and 7 pm at 2159 St-Martin-Est Boulevard, Duvernay, Laval. Intimate funeral services will be celebrated at the Church of Charlemagne on Thursday December 4th at 11 am. Flowers can be sent to the funeral home or donations to " La Fondation Achille-Tanguay, 102, Émile-Despins, Charlemagne, (Qc) J5Z 3L6 "

Under the French... The City of Detroit was called Ste-Anne. Detroit was the region that took in both shores of the waters between Lake Ste-Claire and Lake Erie. Ste-Anne's was the 1st church so you will find marriages of people from present day Canada there. You will also find marriages in the 2nd church built: Assumption Church in Sandwich, Ontario which was called "La Pointe de Montreal du Detroit". BTW... Windsor itself did not exist as a town in the early 1700's. It was simply farmland / bush land. The town for the region was present-day Detroit. *** If you live in the Detroit-Windsor area you should be able to access Denissen's "Genealogy of the French Families of the Detroit River Region, 1701-1911" through your local libraries Reference Section. Just remember that Denissen wasn't French and he anglicized most names. The date and location data in the books is fairly accurate but he should have learned to spell in French. *** Many marriages in Essex County of Southwestern Ontario can be found at http://www.rootsweb.com/~onessex/western.htm *** Bill Martin has a good research site. http://my.tbaytel.net/bmartin/sitemap.htm On his site you will find copies of Registries from Assumption Church in Sandwich (again the spelling of names) Baptisms http://my.tbaytel.net/bmartin/detroit1.htm Marriages http://my.tbaytel.net/bmartin/detroit2.htm Burials http://my.tbaytel.net/bmartin/detroit3.htm *** The Government of Quebec has put the 7 volumes of Tanguay on line. In it you will find baptisms, marriages, burials for the Detroit Region. With some families this information will go to the early 1800's. Most stop in the mid 1760's though. If you want to access and need help in understanding French instructions go to http://www.rootsweb.com/~canqc/tanguay.htm If you can read French, you can access it at http://www.bnquebec.ca/numtextes/accueil.htm Tanguay's accuracy depends on your family line. Some families he is 99+% accurate while with a few others he's 85% accurate. Most inaccuracies have been corrected in Lebeuf's Complément -- some Tanguay CD's have Lebeuf included while other's don't. Overall I give Tanguay a rating of 95 > 98 % accuracy. For one thing it is a valuable tool. No other single source has attempted to list all the data contained in the Tanguay. Cyprien Tanguay didn't have the modern tools that we have (computers) and his volumes are a feat in research that at least gives us an indication as to where to look to find what we need. I would recommend you continue using Tanguay as a tool and, whenever possible, verify the data you've found. I look at it in the sense that 95% of something is much better than 100% of nothing. *** In the early 1700's people did a lot of moving around. Some marriages from Michilimackinac can be found at http://www.leveillee.net/ancestry/fortmichilimackinac.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "james mayberry" <jmay330@sbcglobal.net> To: <NISHNAWBE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 7:20 AM Subject: [NISHNAWBE] looking for info > is there a site or place i could call that would have > info on the detroit and windsor areas. specifically > for the period of 1700-1800, and includes native > americans. > > also does anyone have any french census for the > detroit area before 1790. may be included with windsor > or ontario. > > i have read that there were 17 families in the windsor > area in the early 1700s. does anyone have a list of > their names. cant find that info anywhere. > > lastly,i know st. annes was the main church in > detroit. was there any other that would have done > native and french marriages in the mid 1700s. > > long list but any info appreciated. > > thx, > jim > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Hi Jim, look at a website about French genealolgy in MI at http:/fchsm.habitant.org Pat Message----- From: james mayberry [mailto:jmay330@sbcglobal.net] Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 9:21 AM To: NISHNAWBE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [NISHNAWBE] looking for info is there a site or place i could call that would have info on the detroit and windsor areas. specifically for the period of 1700-1800, and includes native americans. also does anyone have any french census for the detroit area before 1790. may be included with windsor or ontario. i have read that there were 17 families in the windsor area in the early 1700s. does anyone have a list of their names. cant find that info anywhere. lastly,i know st. annes was the main church in detroit. was there any other that would have done native and french marriages in the mid 1700s. long list but any info appreciated. thx, jim ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.541 / Virus Database: 335 - Release Date: 11/14/2003 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.541 / Virus Database: 335 - Release Date: 11/14/2003

is there a site or place i could call that would have info on the detroit and windsor areas. specifically for the period of 1700-1800, and includes native americans. also does anyone have any french census for the detroit area before 1790. may be included with windsor or ontario. i have read that there were 17 families in the windsor area in the early 1700s. does anyone have a list of their names. cant find that info anywhere. lastly,i know st. annes was the main church in detroit. was there any other that would have done native and french marriages in the mid 1700s. long list but any info appreciated. thx, jim

> Wonder what Topenebee means... >well, the "books" say quietly sitting Bear, or quietly sitting Eagle...one >day during my research, I ran across an old old fur traders journal, in it >he was taking notes of the language in the area... I've seen this 'translation' attributed to Jacob Piatt Dunn, early twentieth-century historian. I don't know how he might be on Anishinaabemowin translations, but there are plenty of reliable contemporary sources available, both Speakers and written text. Looks like a "looks-like" translation. A lot of "sit" forms will end with -abi, but so do a lot of Anishinaabemowin words that have nothing to do with "sit." Romig (who is not to be trusted w/ Anishinaabemowin translations) in MICHIGAN PLACE NAMES says "said to mean Great Bear Heart." Elsewhere I've seen "Peacemaker." Makwa is bear, migizi is a bald eagle. >one word, Toben, meant Noisy ?? > the books also claim that Pokgaon meant rib, Yup, from word for 'rib.' regards - rdw