>Sorry to be so naive... but ... what is the comparison of the Ojibway and >Potawatomi language? Both are Algonquin language. Are the dialects very >different IF at all? Algonquin is a family of language stocks which, with some exceptions, at Contact covered pretty much cover the greater part of northeastern quadrant of North America; notable exception is the Iroquoian family clustered mainly around the lower Great Lakes (includes Wendat (Huron)) and in the southeast (Cherokee). The Algonquin family is often academically split into Northwestern and Eastern branches; included in the former are languages often not thought of as Algonquin including those spoken by Cheyenne, Blackfoot, and Arapahoe. Also in the Northwestern branch are those spoken by Cree, Shawnee, Fox, Menominee, and Illinois as well as Potawatomi and Ojibway (Odawa / Otttawa is generally treated as not significantly different from Ojibway but as a dialect.) The Eastern branch -- that is, east of the Niagara Escarpment (Bruce Peninsula) -- include Micmac, Malacite, Abenaki, Mohegan-Pequot, Narragansett,Mohegan, Muncie, Powhattan and others. Generally speaking, these Eastern languages have not fared so well since Contact as have the more widespread and/or remote Northwestern tongues = about a dozen of them have effectively disappeared, and others are vestigal. I'm simplifying, but Ojibwe / Odawa are probably dialects, that is variations of the same language. Potawatomi doesn't differ a lot -- it uses the same building blocks, the same grammar, etc. but sounds a little different, some words vary, etc., so it is usually treated as a different language. Theory is that the languages diverged pretty late in their linguistic history, so they're not far apart; flip side of that is that the closer related they are, the less time has elapsed since divergence. Even within Ojibwe / Odawa there is a lot of regional variation in vocabulary, pronunciation, etc so that a southeastern Ojibwe speaker from Michigan would speak / hear somewhat differently from a plains Ojibwe in Manitoba; should be mutually intelligible, as would a Potawatomi - Ojibway conversation. Potawatomi, Ojibwe & Odawa tongues can safely be referred to as Anishinaabemowin. >> _Dictionary of The Ojibway Language_ by Fredric Baraga. It is 422 pages >> and is really nice, a paper back with a price tag of $24.95. Barnes and >> Noble also carries this book. It has a new forwrd by: John D. Nichols. Baraga was the hardest-working Supulcian in North America in mid 19th c. -- he's all over the Superior country, and he worked hard at his linguistic work, having his first dictionary published in Detroit in the 1850s. U Minnesota, bleess their hearts, have it in print and I recommend it to anyonme who does much work digging around in Anishinaabemowin, although I gotta fess up and tell you I was discourageed from using Baraga for a long time by the Speaker who tries to get me to understand his language -- says it's too rooted in the 19th century, and he's right that it is, but that's not necessarily a bad thing for historical work in that period ... If you search for the book at places like these ought to find it new for considerably less than list; if Used is okay, even less. These are comparison shopper sittes listing a range of sellers http://www.pricescan.com/home_books.asp (< $20) http://www.addall.com/ (< $20) http://www.alibris.com/ (used only) This is a single seller i like to get a 'base price' on new books from -- they're fast and reliable in my experience, a good seller. http://www.alldirect.com/ ($15.47 + s/h) U Minnesota also published A CONCISE DICTIONARY OF MINNESOTA OJIBWE by John D. Nichols and Earl Nyholm [ISBN=0816624283] which is also available in paper, sometimes under $10. It is more contemporary, easier to use, but orthography and some words are a little different over der in Minnie-Soter than they are on this side of the Lake ;} regards - rdw

Larry, Thanks for posting the article on the boarding school lawsuit. It's such a shame that issues such as this are buried on the internet and NEVER mentioned on the national news or covered by mainstream media. The general public has no clue about any of this and it's never taught or discussed in the schools. I have many close friends and relatives who shared many of the same experiences and most still cannot talk about what happened to them while they were being educated. I realize this might be alittle off subject but I cannot ignore this whenever i read about it. Since this list is NA/Metis genealogy I cringe whenever I see an ancestors education listed at a boarding school. I better shut up before I get myself into trouble. Migwech, Mike Z NISHNAWBE-D-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > ATTACHMENT part 1 message/rfc822 NISHNAWBE-D Digest Volume 03 : Issue 232 Today's Topics: #1 Re: [NISHNAWBE] Abraham Dana/Denny [Tigerdeney@aol.com] #2 [NISHNAWBE] Hampton Indian School ["Larry Friend" ] #3 [NISHNAWBE] Ojibway Language ["Gabby" ] #4 Re: [NISHNAWBE] Ojibway Language ["ahall" #5 Re: [NISHNAWBE] Ojibway Language ["Gabby" ] #6 Re: [NISHNAWBE] Ojibway Language ["ahall" Administrivia: To unsubscribe from NISHNAWBE-D, send a message to NISHNAWBE-D-request@rootsweb.com that contains in the body of the message the command unsubscribe and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. ______________________________ > ATTACHMENT part 2 message/rfc822 Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 01:18:16 EST From: Tigerdeney@aol.com To: NISHNAWBE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NISHNAWBE] Abraham Dana/Denny of NY & Wisc I have seen this, and I believe I've got the original xerox copies of "them"(the treaties) I found in a book at my local library. I've been hanging on to this information and made a notebook all of it's own. I keep thinking.... what if. But the John Sundown Denny is NOT my John - darn. I have information on his family/descendants. They could be distant cousins for all I know... but the Abraham Denny is very intriguing. I'm wondering if they could be the one and the same individual. Another researcher who has these lines doesn't have much info on this Abraham Denny - ??? thanks again for the reminder, Janice ______________________________ > ATTACHMENT part 3 message/rfc822 Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 01:42:20 -0600 From: "Larry Friend" To: NISHNAWBE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [NISHNAWBE] Hampton Indian School Hi All http://www.twofrog.com/hampton.html Lots of names and some spouses as well! http://www.twofrog.com/8dec02.txt ( This man is suing! GREAT! He tells about it!) OTTAWA(CP) -- Charlie Baxter was nine years old when a bush plane landed near his family's remote trap line to take him off to a native residential school. It was 1959. Baxter spoke Ojibway and didn't understand a word of English. He and nine siblings were plucked from their Ontario home, about 500 kilometres north of Thunder Bay, by federal government agents and the RCMP... http://www.twofrog.com/lawsuit.html Sioux suit for abuses and trust violations... You need to take the five minutes to read this. Larry Friend (Black Buffalo) friend@2z.net EDUCA'TION, n. [L. educatio.] The bringing up, as of a child, instruction; formation of manners. Education comprehends all that series of instruction and discipline which is intended to enlighten the understanding, correct the temper, and form the manners and habits of youth, and fit them for usefulness in their future stations. To give children a good education in manners, arts and science, is important; to give them a religious education is indispensable; and an immense responsibility rests on parents and guardians who neglect these duties. (Webster's Dictionary 1828) ============================================ ______________________________ > ATTACHMENT part 4 message/rfc822 Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 21:31:32 -0400 From: "Gabby" To: NISHNAWBE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [NISHNAWBE] Ojibway Language Hello Everyone, While I was out and about today I stopped into a newspaper, magazine and book shop....While looking around at the books I ran across one called The Dictionary of The Ojibway Language by Fredric Baraga. It is 422 pages long and is really nice, a paper back with a price tag of $24.95. Barnes and Noble also carries this book. It has a new forwrd by: John D. Nichols. I just wanted to let you know it was out there in case someone is looking for a copy of it.. May the peace of the Great Spirit be with each of you. Gabby ______________________________ > ATTACHMENT part 5 message/rfc822 Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 20:28:43 -0700 From: "ahall" To: NISHNAWBE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NISHNAWBE] Ojibway Language Sorry to be so naive... but ... what is the comparison of the Ojibway and Potawatomi language? Both are Algonquin language. Are the dialects very different IF at all? pama mine' Anita ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gabby" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 6:31 PM Subject: [NISHNAWBE] Ojibway Language > Hello Everyone, > > While I was out and about today I stopped into a newspaper, magazine and > book shop....While looking around at the books I ran across one called The > Dictionary of The Ojibway Language by Fredric Baraga. It is 422 pages long > and is really nice, a paper back with a price tag of $24.95. Barnes and > Noble also carries this book. It has a new forwrd by: John D. Nichols. I > just wanted to let you know it was out there in case someone is looking for > a copy of it.. > > May the peace of the Great Spirit be with each of you. > > Gabby > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 ______________________________ > ATTACHMENT part 6 message/rfc822 Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 01:24:54 -0400 From: "Gabby" To: NISHNAWBE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NISHNAWBE] Ojibway Language I am not sure but I think the Ojibway language could closer compare to the Ottawa language than the Pottawatomi. They seem to be closer connected then Pottawatomi and Ojibway...Ojibway and Ottawa would understand each other where as Pottawatomi and Ottawa or Pottawatomi and Ojibway may not! May the peace of the Great Spirit be with you. Gabby ----- Original Message ----- From: "ahall" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 11:28 PM Subject: Re: [NISHNAWBE] Ojibway Language > Sorry to be so naive... but ... what is the comparison of the Ojibway and > Potawatomi language? Both are Algonquin language. Are the dialects very > different IF at all? > pama mine' > Anita > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gabby" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 6:31 PM > Subject: [NISHNAWBE] Ojibway Language > > > > Hello Everyone, > > > > While I was out and about today I stopped into a newspaper, magazine and > > book shop....While looking around at the books I ran across one called The > > Dictionary of The Ojibway Language by Fredric Baraga. It is 422 pages > long > > and is really nice, a paper back with a price tag of $24.95. Barnes and > > Noble also carries this book. It has a new forwrd by: John D. Nichols. > I > > just wanted to let you know it was out there in case someone is looking > for > > a copy of it.. > > > > May the peace of the Great Spirit be with each of you. > > > > Gabby > > > > > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > ______________________________ > ATTACHMENT part 7 message/rfc822 Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 23:38:56 -0700 From: "ahall" To: NISHNAWBE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NISHNAWBE] Ojibway Language Thank you for this... Hopefully there will be... or has been a Potawatomi Dictionary in publication too one day. Do you know of one other than on the internet? pama mine' Anita ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gabby" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 10:24 PM Subject: Re: [NISHNAWBE] Ojibway Language > I am not sure but I think the Ojibway language could closer compare to the > Ottawa language than the Pottawatomi. They seem to be closer connected then > Pottawatomi and Ojibway...Ojibway and Ottawa would understand each other > where as Pottawatomi and Ottawa or Pottawatomi and Ojibway may not! > > May the peace of the Great Spirit be with you. > > Gabby > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "ahall" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 11:28 PM > Subject: Re: [NISHNAWBE] Ojibway Language > > > > Sorry to be so naive... but ... what is the comparison of the Ojibway and > > Potawatomi language? Both are Algonquin language. Are the dialects very > > different IF at all? > > pama mine' > > Anita > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Gabby" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 6:31 PM > > Subject: [NISHNAWBE] Ojibway Language > > > > > > > Hello Everyone, > > > > > > While I was out and about today I stopped into a newspaper, magazine and > > > book shop....While looking around at the books I ran across one called > The > > > Dictionary of The Ojibway Language by Fredric Baraga. It is 422 pages > > long > > > and is really nice, a paper back with a price tag of $24.95. Barnes and > > > Noble also carries this book. It has a new forwrd by: John D. Nichols. > > I > > > just wanted to let you know it was out there in case someone is looking > > for > > > a copy of it.. > > > > > > May the peace of the Great Spirit be with each of you. > > > > > > Gabby > > > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > records, > > go to: > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

hi erin, i am looking to see if there is anything on a male larose marrying a native woman between 1750-1770. their daughter josephine was born in 1770 in detroit and married joseph chamberland in 1798 in detroit. josephine is showed in dennison's book as daughter of a savage(listed under joseph chamberland). if there is anything on chamberland i could use that also. know he was born in detroit around 1760. thx, jim --- Erin <yogithebeagle2001@yahoo.com> wrote: > I have the Mackinac Register from 1695-1888, in > french and english. > St. Anne's Church: Parish established in 1695, and > was moved from Mackinaw City to the Island when the > fort was moved in 1780-1781. It originally stood on > the corner of Market Street, across the street from > the Windsor Hotel. About 1826 it was moved to its > present location. My Mom grew up on the island. > Will help if I can. > > > james mayberry <jmay330@sbcglobal.net> wrote: > okay thx larry. wierd though since st. annes has on > their web site that they were started in 1701 2 days > after cadillac arrived in detroit and has records > back > to 1704, because of fire in 1703. when i called st. > annes they said they will search back to 1840's > only, > to check the burton collection for earlier. > > thx, > jim > > - Larry Friend wrote: > > James > > > > Many old records are on-line at > > http://www.gbl.indiana.edu/ > > > > The St. Joseph Baptismal Register (1727-1731) > > > http://www.gbl.indiana.edu/archives/miamis7/M23-30_16a.html > > > > Larry Friend (Black Buffalo) > > friend@2z.net > > > > EDUCA'TION, n. [L. educatio.] The bringing up, as > > of a child, instruction; > > formation of manners. Education comprehends all > that > > series of instruction > > and discipline which is intended to enlighten the > > understanding, correct the > > temper, and form the manners and habits of youth, > > and fit them for > > usefulness in their future stations. To give > > children a good education in > > manners, arts and science, is important; to give > > them a religious education > > is indispensable; and an immense responsibility > > rests on parents and > > guardians who neglect these duties. > > (Webster's Dictionary 1828) > > > > ============================================ > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: james mayberry > [mailto:jmay330@sbcglobal.net] > > Sent: 05 December 2003 13:29 > > To: NISHNAWBE-L@rootsweb.com > > Subject: [NISHNAWBE] need records help > > > > > > looking for anyone who may have st. anne's church > > records from 1704-1800, besides burton collection. > > too > > far to drive at this time and will not do complete > > look-up. st. anne's only has back to 1840s records > > available. > > > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion > > online genealogy records, go > > to: > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion > > online genealogy records, go to: > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion > online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion > online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

I am not sure but I think the Ojibway language could closer compare to the Ottawa language than the Pottawatomi. They seem to be closer connected then Pottawatomi and Ojibway...Ojibway and Ottawa would understand each other where as Pottawatomi and Ottawa or Pottawatomi and Ojibway may not! May the peace of the Great Spirit be with you. Gabby ----- Original Message ----- From: "ahall" <kwilliamson@blackfoot.net> To: <NISHNAWBE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 11:28 PM Subject: Re: [NISHNAWBE] Ojibway Language > Sorry to be so naive... but ... what is the comparison of the Ojibway and > Potawatomi language? Both are Algonquin language. Are the dialects very > different IF at all? > pama mine' > Anita > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gabby" <gabby@t-one.net> > To: <NISHNAWBE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 6:31 PM > Subject: [NISHNAWBE] Ojibway Language > > > > Hello Everyone, > > > > While I was out and about today I stopped into a newspaper, magazine and > > book shop....While looking around at the books I ran across one called The > > Dictionary of The Ojibway Language by Fredric Baraga. It is 422 pages > long > > and is really nice, a paper back with a price tag of $24.95. Barnes and > > Noble also carries this book. It has a new forwrd by: John D. Nichols. > I > > just wanted to let you know it was out there in case someone is looking > for > > a copy of it.. > > > > May the peace of the Great Spirit be with each of you. > > > > Gabby > > > > > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Thank you for this... Hopefully there will be... or has been a Potawatomi Dictionary in publication too one day. Do you know of one other than on the internet? pama mine' Anita ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gabby" <gabby@t-one.net> To: <NISHNAWBE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 10:24 PM Subject: Re: [NISHNAWBE] Ojibway Language > I am not sure but I think the Ojibway language could closer compare to the > Ottawa language than the Pottawatomi. They seem to be closer connected then > Pottawatomi and Ojibway...Ojibway and Ottawa would understand each other > where as Pottawatomi and Ottawa or Pottawatomi and Ojibway may not! > > May the peace of the Great Spirit be with you. > > Gabby > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "ahall" <kwilliamson@blackfoot.net> > To: <NISHNAWBE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 11:28 PM > Subject: Re: [NISHNAWBE] Ojibway Language > > > > Sorry to be so naive... but ... what is the comparison of the Ojibway and > > Potawatomi language? Both are Algonquin language. Are the dialects very > > different IF at all? > > pama mine' > > Anita > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Gabby" <gabby@t-one.net> > > To: <NISHNAWBE-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 6:31 PM > > Subject: [NISHNAWBE] Ojibway Language > > > > > > > Hello Everyone, > > > > > > While I was out and about today I stopped into a newspaper, magazine and > > > book shop....While looking around at the books I ran across one called > The > > > Dictionary of The Ojibway Language by Fredric Baraga. It is 422 pages > > long > > > and is really nice, a paper back with a price tag of $24.95. Barnes and > > > Noble also carries this book. It has a new forwrd by: John D. Nichols. > > I > > > just wanted to let you know it was out there in case someone is looking > > for > > > a copy of it.. > > > > > > May the peace of the Great Spirit be with each of you. > > > > > > Gabby > > > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > records, > > go to: > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Hello Everyone, While I was out and about today I stopped into a newspaper, magazine and book shop....While looking around at the books I ran across one called The Dictionary of The Ojibway Language by Fredric Baraga. It is 422 pages long and is really nice, a paper back with a price tag of $24.95. Barnes and Noble also carries this book. It has a new forwrd by: John D. Nichols. I just wanted to let you know it was out there in case someone is looking for a copy of it.. May the peace of the Great Spirit be with each of you. Gabby

Sorry to be so naive... but ... what is the comparison of the Ojibway and Potawatomi language? Both are Algonquin language. Are the dialects very different IF at all? pama mine' Anita ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gabby" <gabby@t-one.net> To: <NISHNAWBE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 6:31 PM Subject: [NISHNAWBE] Ojibway Language > Hello Everyone, > > While I was out and about today I stopped into a newspaper, magazine and > book shop....While looking around at the books I ran across one called The > Dictionary of The Ojibway Language by Fredric Baraga. It is 422 pages long > and is really nice, a paper back with a price tag of $24.95. Barnes and > Noble also carries this book. It has a new forwrd by: John D. Nichols. I > just wanted to let you know it was out there in case someone is looking for > a copy of it.. > > May the peace of the Great Spirit be with each of you. > > Gabby > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Hi All http://www.twofrog.com/hampton.html Lots of names and some spouses as well! http://www.twofrog.com/8dec02.txt ( This man is suing! GREAT! He tells about it!) OTTAWA(CP) -- Charlie Baxter was nine years old when a bush plane landed near his family's remote trap line to take him off to a native residential school. It was 1959. Baxter spoke Ojibway and didn't understand a word of English. He and nine siblings were plucked from their Ontario home, about 500 kilometres north of Thunder Bay, by federal government agents and the RCMP... http://www.twofrog.com/lawsuit.html Sioux suit for abuses and trust violations... You need to take the five minutes to read this. Larry Friend (Black Buffalo) friend@2z.net EDUCA'TION, n. [L. educatio.] The bringing up, as of a child, instruction; formation of manners. Education comprehends all that series of instruction and discipline which is intended to enlighten the understanding, correct the temper, and form the manners and habits of youth, and fit them for usefulness in their future stations. To give children a good education in manners, arts and science, is important; to give them a religious education is indispensable; and an immense responsibility rests on parents and guardians who neglect these duties. (Webster's Dictionary 1828) ============================================

I have seen this, and I believe I've got the original xerox copies of "them"(the treaties) I found in a book at my local library. I've been hanging on to this information and made a notebook all of it's own. I keep thinking.... what if. But the John Sundown Denny is NOT my John - darn. I have information on his family/descendants. They could be distant cousins for all I know... but the Abraham Denny is very intriguing. I'm wondering if they could be the one and the same individual. Another researcher who has these lines doesn't have much info on this Abraham Denny - ??? thanks again for the reminder, Janice

For those interested in the Ste Anne's of Mackinac Island Mackinac Register CD I mentioned on the list a few days ago, here is a list of its contents, followed by an address and phone number for the church. It cost $20 in the gift shop (summer of 2003) and has integrated software for viewing the images. Mackinac Register 1695-1888 Ancien registre des baptemes administres dans la paroisse de Michilimakinac commence le 28 d'avril 1695 (Original French) The Mackinac Register of Baptisms and Interments 1695-1821 (English translation from The Wisconsin State Historical Collection Vol, 19) Ancien Registre des maria ges faits dans la paroisse de Michilimackinac commence le 1 du mois d'aout 1725 (Original French) The Mackinac Register of Marriages -- 1725-1821 (English translation from the Wisconsin State Historical Collection Vol. 18) Registre des baptemes fait dans la paroisse de Michilimakinac commence le 23 juillet 1823 Liber Matrimonium missionis sanctae Annae mackinac (Original latin) Ste Anne's Church PO Box 537 Mackinac Island, MI 49757 906.847.3507 Happy holidays, Jeff

I have the Mackinac Register from 1695-1888, in french and english. St. Anne's Church: Parish established in 1695, and was moved from Mackinaw City to the Island when the fort was moved in 1780-1781. It originally stood on the corner of Market Street, across the street from the Windsor Hotel. About 1826 it was moved to its present location. My Mom grew up on the island. Will help if I can. james mayberry <jmay330@sbcglobal.net> wrote: okay thx larry. wierd though since st. annes has on their web site that they were started in 1701 2 days after cadillac arrived in detroit and has records back to 1704, because of fire in 1703. when i called st. annes they said they will search back to 1840's only, to check the burton collection for earlier. thx, jim - Larry Friend wrote: > James > > Many old records are on-line at > http://www.gbl.indiana.edu/ > > The St. Joseph Baptismal Register (1727-1731) > http://www.gbl.indiana.edu/archives/miamis7/M23-30_16a.html > > Larry Friend (Black Buffalo) > friend@2z.net > > EDUCA'TION, n. [L. educatio.] The bringing up, as > of a child, instruction; > formation of manners. Education comprehends all that > series of instruction > and discipline which is intended to enlighten the > understanding, correct the > temper, and form the manners and habits of youth, > and fit them for > usefulness in their future stations. To give > children a good education in > manners, arts and science, is important; to give > them a religious education > is indispensable; and an immense responsibility > rests on parents and > guardians who neglect these duties. > (Webster's Dictionary 1828) > > ============================================ > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: james mayberry [mailto:jmay330@sbcglobal.net] > Sent: 05 December 2003 13:29 > To: NISHNAWBE-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [NISHNAWBE] need records help > > > looking for anyone who may have st. anne's church > records from 1704-1800, besides burton collection. > too > far to drive at this time and will not do complete > look-up. st. anne's only has back to 1840s records > available. > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion > online genealogy records, go > to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion > online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing

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I have found where people with the name of CONSTANTINEAU varied their name to CONSTANT. CONSTANTINEAU was COUTANCINEAU prior to 1681 In French Canada CONSTANTINEAU can also be found as CONSTANTIN & CONSTANTINE. NOTE: CONSTANTs in French Canada are a different family. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Aline Sabourin" <asabourin@lincsat.com> To: <NISHNAWBE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2003 7:05 PM Subject: RE: [NISHNAWBE] Constant surname > Hi > > I did find this family on a census quite a few years ago. Might give an > indication were to look. > This was a long time ago and I did no add an estimate of the birthdate. > > Descendants of Pierre Contant > > 1 Pierre Contant > Indian Census 1861 Cty Assomption, paroisse Lachenaie, QC. Film > C-1310 page 108 > . +Marie Marion > 2 Elainard Contant > 2 Edouard Contant > 2 Xavier Contant > 2 Arthur Contant > 2 Cleophas Contant > 2 Emile Contant > 2 Dozite Contant > 2 Amedee Contant > 2 Philomene Contant > 2 Aglae Contant > 2 Aima Contant > 2 Anna Contant > > Regards Aline > > -----Original Message----- > From: Lena [mailto:lena@valu-line.net] > Sent: Friday, December 05, 2003 4:52 PM > To: NISHNAWBE-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [NISHNAWBE] Constant surname > > > is any one familiar with that name? I have a hard time finding anything. > Lena > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go > to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Hi I did find this family on a census quite a few years ago. Might give an indication were to look. This was a long time ago and I did no add an estimate of the birthdate. Descendants of Pierre Contant 1 Pierre Contant Indian Census 1861 Cty Assomption, paroisse Lachenaie, QC. Film C-1310 page 108 . +Marie Marion 2 Elainard Contant 2 Edouard Contant 2 Xavier Contant 2 Arthur Contant 2 Cleophas Contant 2 Emile Contant 2 Dozite Contant 2 Amedee Contant 2 Philomene Contant 2 Aglae Contant 2 Aima Contant 2 Anna Contant Regards Aline -----Original Message----- From: Lena [mailto:lena@valu-line.net] Sent: Friday, December 05, 2003 4:52 PM To: NISHNAWBE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [NISHNAWBE] Constant surname is any one familiar with that name? I have a hard time finding anything. Lena ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

This is what I have on the name - additions/corrections appreciated, thanks, Jim. Family #1: 1. Pierre CONSTANT. He married unknown. Children: 2. i Francois. Second Generation 2. Francois COUTANT/CONSTANT. He married Marie-Angelique BRILLANT-BEAULIEU, 30 Oct 1781 in Detroit, Wayne Co., MI, (daughter of Jean-Baptiste BRILLANT-BEAULIEU and Francoise ITAGISSE-CHRETIENNE) baptized 21 Apr 1761 in Detroit, Wayne Co., MI. Marie-Angelique: Aka Taw-cum-ego-quay. Children: i Simon CONSTANT, born 21 Oct 1783 in Detroit, Wayne Co., MI. ii John Baptist CONSTANT/CONTANT, born 20 Jan 1786, baptized 24 Sept 1786 in Assumption, Sandwich, Ont., CAN. He married Angelica ROY, 17 Nov 1809 in Assumption, Sandwich, Ont., CAN, (daughter of Francois ROY and Mary SAUTEUSE). iii Mary Angelica CONSTANT, born Mar 1789, baptized 5 May 1791 in Detroit, Wayne Co., MI. iv Teresa CONSTANT, born Nov 1790, baptized 7 May 1791 in Detroit, Wayne Co., MI, died 1792, buried 7 Sept 1792 in Detroit, Wayne Co., MI. Family #2: 1. Pierre CONSTANT/COWN, died 1828. He married Popamansaouekoue. Popaman: Indian. Children: 2. i Louise"Lisette" b. 15 Aug 1812. Second Generation 2. Louise"Lisette" CONSTANT, born 15 Aug 1812 in Muskegon, Muskegon Co., MI, died 13 Sept 1907 in Winneconne, WI. Aka COWN/COWIN. Also have d. Oshkosh, WI. She married William LASLEY, born c. 1800/10 in PA, (son of Samuel C. LASSELY and A-bi-ta-go-wi-nan ASH-WAU-BO-MAY) died 6 Apr 1853 in Muskegon, Muskegon Co., MI. William: Res. Muskegon Co., MI. Unsure of parentage. Perhaps by a different wife. Children: i Henry S. LASLEY. ii June LASLEY, born c. 1842 in MI, died 10 Jun 1907 in Mackinac Is., Mackinac Co., MI, occupation seamstress. iii William LASLEY Jr., born c. 1844, died 1846 in Mackinac Co., MI. 3. iv Peter b. Feb 1850. Third Generation 3. Peter LASLEY, born Feb 1850 in Muskegon, Muskegon Co., MI, died 17 Dec 1917 in Winneconne, WI. He married Ellen I. QUIGLEY, c. 1875, born 6 Mar 1853 in Boston, MA, (daughter of James QUIGLEY and Johanna COMMERFORD) died 11 Apr 1891 in Winneconne, WI. Children: 4. i Henry John b. 24 Sept 1875. Fourth Generation 4. Henry John LASLEY, born 24 Sept 1875 in Winneconne, WI, died 2 Nov 1954 in Milwaukee, Milwaukee Co., WI. He married Grace PERRY, 24 Dec 1903 in Winneconne, WI, born 25 Dec 1883 in Anona, WI, (daughter of Adelbert PERRY and Laura MALNORY) died 17 Feb 1917 in Winneconne, WI. Children: i Ellen LASLEY, born 30 Sept 1909 in Winneconne, WI. She married Lester Wendell THOMPSON, 20 Jan 1930 in Milwaukee, Milwaukee Co., WI. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lena" <lena@valu-line.net> To: <NISHNAWBE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, December 05, 2003 4:51 PM Subject: [NISHNAWBE] Constant surname > is any one familiar with that name? I have a hard time finding anything. Lena > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Since Denissen indicates both families originate from the Montreal area I would look at records from there. ----- Original Message ----- From: "james mayberry" <jmay330@sbcglobal.net> To: <NISHNAWBE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, December 05, 2003 9:20 PM Subject: [NISHNAWBE] larose > i have a mary larose, married 1720 detroit, mi.to john > baptist gouyou. her parents were james larose and mary > lafleur. does anyone have any info on her siblings and > children. > > i also have a henry larose,abt 1779 in detroit, > married to mary joseph trudel on 13 feb. 1804 in > detroit.does anyone have any info on his parents or > siblings. > > thx, > > jim > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

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Lena I have quite a few records for this surname. What are you looking for? Cindy L.

I am looking for a Francis Constant that married a Robert Pierce in 1885, I got the marriage license today, they were in Lawrence Co. Indiana when they married, and they had two daughters that I know of, got pictures of one of them. can not find them though on any census, and I do not have who their parents were. I would appreciate any help, and thank you. Lena

For anyone interested in Ste Anne's of Mackinac records, there's a wonderful CDROM published by the church and sold in their museum gift shop. I'm not shilling for the church. Admission to the Ste Anne's museum is free and the displays are attractive and informative. The CDROM at $20 (when I bought it this summer) is well worth skipping an Applebee's dinner or two. Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Friend" <friend@2z.net> To: <NISHNAWBE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, December 05, 2003 3:47 PM Subject: RE: [NISHNAWBE] need records help > James > > St Anne's did not exist that early. About the closest place in any of that > time period would have been Michilimacinac (many spellings of this). But > going back to 1704 will most likely be looking at records of Acadia and > early Quebec. Early Detroit area in last half of those years. > > One of the first to cross the Appalachian Mountains was Daniel Boone. He was > born in 1743. The French Indian Wars took place 1754-1763. Nearly all white > towns or settlements were in the east or along main waterways at key or > strategic locations. The American Flag first flew over Fort Mackinac in 1796 > because of provisions of the 1794 Jay Treaty. So the earliest records of the > region would be early English/French. > > You may wish to look at the maps at: > http://xroads.virginia.edu/~MAP/TERRITORY/ > The following clearly shows the region as part of Quebec. > http://xroads.virginia.edu/~MAP/TERRITORY/us_1775.jpg > > All of these maps help tremendously for a visual timeframe of an area being > researched. In the years stated, that region was under several territories > before statehood came about. So you may find what you actually want in > Quebec or Territorial records. Also! if you look at the maps of 1810 and > 1820 you will the region under Michigan, and to the west Indiana Territory, > but yet the British flag flew. Did those born in this time period consider > themselves born Canada as it was yet the governing body for the area? > > Hope this helps! > > Larry Friend (Black Buffalo) > friend@2z.net > > ============================================ > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: james mayberry [mailto:jmay330@sbcglobal.net] > Sent: 05 December 2003 13:29 > To: NISHNAWBE-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [NISHNAWBE] need records help > > > looking for anyone who may have st. anne's church > records from 1704-1800, besides burton collection. too > far to drive at this time and will not do complete > look-up. st. anne's only has back to 1840s records available. > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go > to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >