UDALL FOUNDATION : OPPORTUNITIES FOR NATIVE AMERICAN STUDENTS Thought I should pass along two educational opportunities from the Morris K. Udall Foundation which are open to Native American college students. One program is a 10-week Congressional Internship, and the other is a $5000 undergraduate scholarship for sophomore and junior students studying in fields related to the environment, health care, or tribal public policy. Details below. Please pass along to anyone who you think might be interested ... please note that I am only passing along what I see and know nothing more about the programs ! ===| Congressional Internship Candidates must have an interest in tribal government and policy and meet these criteria 1) be a college Junior, Senior, graduate student, or law student, or be graduating from a tribal college; and 2) be an enrolled member of a federally recognized tribe; and 3) have a minimum 3.0 gpa (a B average). Interns selected will be provided airfare to and from Washington DC, dormitory lodging at a local university, a daily allowance for meals, transportation and incidentals, and a $1200 educational stipend (paid at the conclusion of the internship). Application packages may be obtained from the Morris K. Udall Foundation, 130 South Scott Avenue, Tucson AZ 85701-1922. Direct questions to Program Manager Kristin Kelling at kelling@udall.gov. Completed applications must be received at the address above by 3 February 2004. ===| Undergraduate Scholarships Eighty (80) $5000 undergraduate scholarships are available for Native American and Alaska Native students who are sophomore and junior undergraduates studying fields related to the environment, health care, or tribal public policy. These scholarships are by nomination by the Udall Faculty Representative on their campus. Application materials and campus contact information is available from the Udall Foundation website at www.udall.gov/p_scholarship.htm Application deadline is 3 March 2004. Direct questions to Melissa Millage at millage@udall.gov

Howdy I am here to publicly thank Larry. He is so wonderful, knowledgeable and giving of his time. I have been searching for Ohio, Canada for at least 15 years. Finally got a clue that it was near English River Indian Res. Then the map I was looking at erased it and the Ohio it did have near English River. Well, thanks to Larry I finally have some important info on the area. That to me is what this website is all about but few are helping lately except Larry. Come on gang lets try to help more of the new comers, they might not be as stubborn as me and keep searching. Thanks again Jan Gouin Hi All! I was emailing with Jan (Nimrodkiss@aol.com) about the English River 66 Reserve and found it difficult to locate anything about it. Finally I came across the First Nations Communities in Ontario page: http://www.aboriginalcanada.gc.ca/abdt/interface/interface2.nsf/vSSGBasic/on 80021e.htm It lists all communities in Ontario. Part of my problem in the search was using reservation instead of reserve and also Indian instead of First People. I guess it was just another lesson in the differences when we cross that artificial line. Larry Friend (Black Buffalo) friend@2z.net

The more I learn about history...... The more I understand why the world is such a mess....:( I did not know about this. anita ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Friend" <friend@2z.net> To: <NISHNAWBE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2003 6:24 PM Subject: [NISHNAWBE] Pond, Amherst - Smallpox > Hi All > > As we frequently hear the great concern on the news of biological warfare > and how it is the feared terrorist tool, you need to read the following. > http://www.ualberta.ca/~pimohte/ClashofWorlds.html > > (June 24, 1763) Colonel Bouquet invited two Native American Chiefs to his > camp under the guise of working to resolve their differences. An officer > [Ecuyer] who was present revealed the true purpose of the meeting in his > diary. "Out of our regard for [the chiefs] we gave them two blankets and > handkerchiefs out of the smallpox hospital. I hope they will have the > desired effect." (Knollenberg 490). > ...A Swiss soldier of fortunite, Ecuyer regarded the Indians as savage > enemies to be Eliminated by any means available. A fatal epidemic was as > lawful a method as shooting (Peckham 170). > > We exist today in spite of their effort! > > Larry Friend (Black Buffalo) > friend@2z.net > > EX'TIRPATE, v.t. [L. extirpo; ex and stirps, root.] > 1. To pull or pluck up by the roots; to root out; to eradicate; to destroy > totally; as, to extirpate weeds or noxious plants from a field. > 2. To eradicate; to root out; to destroy wholly; as, to extirpate error or > heresy; to extirpate a sect. > 3. In surgery, to cut out; to cut off; to eat out; to remove; as, to > extirpate a wen. > (Webster's Dictionary 1828) > > ============================================ > > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

My great grandfather, James Madison Clarke was born in Meaford, Ontario in January, 1848, he died March 2, 1930 in Sault Sainte Marie, MI at the age of 81-yrs, 9-mos. His father was William Clarke and his mother Eliza Carson. James M. Clarke's wife was Alice (Tacy) (Tacey) (Tessier). She was born in May, 1860, location ?, She died October 6, 1906 at Whitefish Point, MI at the age of 46 yrs, 4-mos, 13-dys. Jim and Alice were married in Duluth, MN in 1875. They had the following children: Anna, John, Fred, Mae, Mabel, William, Hugh, Frances Roy, Olive Ruth and Carl. Her fathers name was Frances Tacey, also known as Frank. Her mother was Catherine Jennings? (last name not for sure). Frances Tacey was born in Canada around 1817. Frances and Catherine were married in 1850, Sault Sainte Marie, MI. They had the following children: Louisa, Alice, Emma, Malinda amd William. Trying to find the connection as to their Indian background. Over the many years the family said Alice was 1/2 Indian. It has also been mentioned that the Clarke side was Indian also. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Contact: Paul E. Petosky, P.O. Box 537, Munising, MI 49862-0537, or e-mail me at paul_petosky@yahoo.com or ppetosky@chartermi.net Thank you...........

Hi All As we frequently hear the great concern on the news of biological warfare and how it is the feared terrorist tool, you need to read the following. http://www.ualberta.ca/~pimohte/ClashofWorlds.html (June 24, 1763) Colonel Bouquet invited two Native American Chiefs to his camp under the guise of working to resolve their differences. An officer [Ecuyer] who was present revealed the true purpose of the meeting in his diary. "Out of our regard for [the chiefs] we gave them two blankets and handkerchiefs out of the smallpox hospital. I hope they will have the desired effect." (Knollenberg 490). ...A Swiss soldier of fortunite, Ecuyer regarded the Indians as savage enemies to be Eliminated by any means available. A fatal epidemic was as lawful a method as shooting (Peckham 170). We exist today in spite of their effort! Larry Friend (Black Buffalo) friend@2z.net EX'TIRPATE, v.t. [L. extirpo; ex and stirps, root.] 1. To pull or pluck up by the roots; to root out; to eradicate; to destroy totally; as, to extirpate weeds or noxious plants from a field. 2. To eradicate; to root out; to destroy wholly; as, to extirpate error or heresy; to extirpate a sect. 3. In surgery, to cut out; to cut off; to eat out; to remove; as, to extirpate a wen. (Webster's Dictionary 1828) ============================================

Where can I get a copy of Dennison's Book?? Does anyone know anything about the lineage of THE "Joseph Bertrand" who lived to be 110 years old and was reported to be a 1/2 breed of the Pokagon band AND said to be the Uncle of Joseph Bertrand, SR who founded the town of Bertrand?? I ran across this information of Indian blood in the Joseph SR family... But have not a clue where to look for this Uncle??? ****** Joseph Laurent Bertrand was a fur trader at Michelimakinac, possibly as early as 1760, certainly by 1764-1765, His wife was a native of Mackinacas shown by the marriage certificates. Denissen states in his translations of the original church records that her mother, MARIE JOSEPH LAMAIRE, was INDIAN. Joseph and MARIE THERESA'S (Dulignon) daughter, Marguerite, was born in all liklihood at Mackinak around 176-1765......blah... blah... CHILDREN= 5 total Marguerite being #1. #4... Joseph SR. Bertrand, born October 08, 1778 in Mickinac, Michigan: Died September 08, 1865 in St. Marys, Kansas. (Married Madeline) ****** Anyone???? pama mine' Anita ----- Original Message ----- From: "james mayberry" <jmay330@sbcglobal.net> To: <NISHNAWBE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2003 11:54 AM Subject: RE: [NISHNAWBE] need records help > erin, > not sure since all i have is joseph born in detroit. > > > --- Erin <yogithebeagle2001@yahoo.com> wrote: > > also is this any relations to the CHAMBERLANDS of > > Mackinac Island? > > > > james mayberry <jmay330@sbcglobal.net> wrote:hi > > erin, > > i am looking to see if there is anything on a male > > larose marrying a native woman between 1750-1770. > > their daughter josephine was born in 1770 in detroit > > and married joseph chamberland in 1798 in detroit. > > josephine is showed in dennison's book as daughter > > of > > a savage(listed under joseph chamberland). > > if there is anything on chamberland i could use that > > also. know he was born in detroit around 1760. > > > > thx, > > jim > > > > > > --- Erin wrote: > > > I have the Mackinac Register from 1695-1888, in > > > french and english. > > > St. Anne's Church: Parish established in 1695, and > > > was moved from Mackinaw City to the Island when > > the > > > fort was moved in 1780-1781. It originally stood > > on > > > the corner of Market Street, across the street > > from > > > the Windsor Hotel. About 1826 it was moved to its > > > present location. My Mom grew up on the island. > > > Will help if I can. > > > > > > > > > james mayberry wrote: > > > okay thx larry. wierd though since st. annes has > > on > > > their web site that they were started in 1701 2 > > days > > > after cadillac arrived in detroit and has records > > > back > > > to 1704, because of fire in 1703. when i called > > st. > > > annes they said they will search back to 1840's > > > only, > > > to check the burton collection for earlier. > > > > > > thx, > > > jim > > > > > > - Larry Friend wrote: > > > > James > > > > > > > > Many old records are on-line at > > > > http://www.gbl.indiana.edu/ > > > > > > > > The St. Joseph Baptismal Register (1727-1731) > > > > > > > > > > http://www.gbl.indiana.edu/archives/miamis7/M23-30_16a.html > > > > > > > > Larry Friend (Black Buffalo) > > > > friend@2z.net > > > > > > > > EDUCA'TION, n. [L. educatio.] The bringing up, > > as > > > > of a child, instruction; > > > > formation of manners. Education comprehends all > > > that > > > > series of instruction > > > > and discipline which is intended to enlighten > > the > > > > understanding, correct the > > > > temper, and form the manners and habits of > > youth, > > > > and fit them for > > > > usefulness in their future stations. To give > > > > children a good education in > > > > manners, arts and science, is important; to give > > > > them a religious education > > > > is indispensable; and an immense responsibility > > > > rests on parents and > > > > guardians who neglect these duties. > > > > (Webster's Dictionary 1828) > > > > > > > > ============================================ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: james mayberry > > > [mailto:jmay330@sbcglobal.net] > > > > Sent: 05 December 2003 13:29 > > > > To: NISHNAWBE-L@rootsweb.com > > > > Subject: [NISHNAWBE] need records help > > > > > > > > > > > > looking for anyone who may have st. anne's > > church > > > > records from 1704-1800, besides burton > > collection. > > > > too > > > > far to drive at this time and will not do > > complete > > > > look-up. st. anne's only has back to 1840s > > records > > > > available. > > > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion > > > > online genealogy records, go > > > > to: > > > > > > > > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion > > > > online genealogy records, go to: > > > > > > > > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion > > > online genealogy records, go to: > > > > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > New Yahoo! 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Hi All! I was emailing with Jan (Nimrodkiss@aol.com) about the English River 66 Reserve and found it difficult to locate anything about it. Finally I came across the First Nations Communities in Ontario page: http://www.aboriginalcanada.gc.ca/abdt/interface/interface2.nsf/vSSGBasic/on 80021e.htm It lists all communities in Ontario. Part of my problem in the search was using reservation instead of reserve and also Indian instead of First People. I guess it was just another lesson in the differences when we cross that artificial line. Larry Friend (Black Buffalo) friend@2z.net ============================================

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erin, not sure since all i have is joseph born in detroit. --- Erin <yogithebeagle2001@yahoo.com> wrote: > also is this any relations to the CHAMBERLANDS of > Mackinac Island? > > james mayberry <jmay330@sbcglobal.net> wrote:hi > erin, > i am looking to see if there is anything on a male > larose marrying a native woman between 1750-1770. > their daughter josephine was born in 1770 in detroit > and married joseph chamberland in 1798 in detroit. > josephine is showed in dennison's book as daughter > of > a savage(listed under joseph chamberland). > if there is anything on chamberland i could use that > also. know he was born in detroit around 1760. > > thx, > jim > > > --- Erin wrote: > > I have the Mackinac Register from 1695-1888, in > > french and english. > > St. Anne's Church: Parish established in 1695, and > > was moved from Mackinaw City to the Island when > the > > fort was moved in 1780-1781. It originally stood > on > > the corner of Market Street, across the street > from > > the Windsor Hotel. About 1826 it was moved to its > > present location. My Mom grew up on the island. > > Will help if I can. > > > > > > james mayberry wrote: > > okay thx larry. wierd though since st. annes has > on > > their web site that they were started in 1701 2 > days > > after cadillac arrived in detroit and has records > > back > > to 1704, because of fire in 1703. when i called > st. > > annes they said they will search back to 1840's > > only, > > to check the burton collection for earlier. > > > > thx, > > jim > > > > - Larry Friend wrote: > > > James > > > > > > Many old records are on-line at > > > http://www.gbl.indiana.edu/ > > > > > > The St. Joseph Baptismal Register (1727-1731) > > > > > > http://www.gbl.indiana.edu/archives/miamis7/M23-30_16a.html > > > > > > Larry Friend (Black Buffalo) > > > friend@2z.net > > > > > > EDUCA'TION, n. [L. educatio.] The bringing up, > as > > > of a child, instruction; > > > formation of manners. Education comprehends all > > that > > > series of instruction > > > and discipline which is intended to enlighten > the > > > understanding, correct the > > > temper, and form the manners and habits of > youth, > > > and fit them for > > > usefulness in their future stations. To give > > > children a good education in > > > manners, arts and science, is important; to give > > > them a religious education > > > is indispensable; and an immense responsibility > > > rests on parents and > > > guardians who neglect these duties. > > > (Webster's Dictionary 1828) > > > > > > ============================================ > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: james mayberry > > [mailto:jmay330@sbcglobal.net] > > > Sent: 05 December 2003 13:29 > > > To: NISHNAWBE-L@rootsweb.com > > > Subject: [NISHNAWBE] need records help > > > > > > > > > looking for anyone who may have st. anne's > church > > > records from 1704-1800, besides burton > collection. > > > too > > > far to drive at this time and will not do > complete > > > look-up. st. anne's only has back to 1840s > records > > > available. > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion > > > online genealogy records, go > > > to: > > > > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion > > > online genealogy records, go to: > > > > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion > > online genealogy records, go to: > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Do you Yahoo!? > > New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing > > > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion > > online genealogy records, go to: > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion > online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion > online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

I agree with you completely. However, I was speaking of the specific circumstances of my mother's education in the time period of 1928-1940 and certainly not suggesting that the schools were anything less than horrific in concept and all too often, in practice. I am bearing in mind the fact that by the 1930s our people were no longer able to move freely over their traditional lands to hunt and harvest for their living. Since reservations and allotments were not exactly huge and were usually on land unsuited for farming, it became necessary to purchase food and other items our ancestors had been able to produce for themselves. This means it became necessary to acquire money somehow. Becoming fluent and literate in English was a great help for that task, and let's face it, if you have to earn a living in the white man's world it helps to have some sort of job skills—and during the Great Depression jobs of any sort were darned hard to get. Most of my mother's teachers were earnest, well-intentioned people who tried to do their best to enable their graduates to survive under the conditions of the time. Far too many Indian school teachers had less laudable motives and much greater inclination to abuse their charges. Betty Jack

I can't help myself here...Hayward is by no means the only school where those kids were mistreated, every single one of them has their horror stories & they didn't need to learn how to become slaves for white society we had our own teachings & ways to take care of ourselves, we knew how to do everything we needed for our own society. -----Original Message----- From: Pacqrat@aol.com [mailto:Pacqrat@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 2:34 PM To: NISHNAWBE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NISHNAWBE] Re: NISHNAWBE-D Digest V03 #232 Hi Mike and Larry, The forced "education" of our parents and grandparents is not in the least out of place on a list for people researching their family history. Its effects were catastrophic for the individuals and for our cultural heritage. My mother, now 82, went through the BIA boarding school system at Hayward (where the head of the school actually killed one of the students), Pipestone, Haskell, and Flandreau. the stories she tells are hair-raising. When she was first dragged off to school, she was completely bilingual in Ojibwe and English. By the time she graduated, she could hardly understand Ojibwe any more, and she could use only a few words. She calculates that from the age of 6 until graduation, she spent only a grand total of 3 whole years with her parents (including a full year "off" from school). Quite literally, her language and heritage was stolen from her, and she is still outraged. Just thinking about it makes me cry. It must be said, however, that students at the schools she attended other than Hayward were not mistreated. This was during the Depression, and while the goal was to turn the students into good servants for whites (the boys trained as mechanics and gardeners, the girls as maids, cooks, and nannies), at least their training enabled them to make a living of sorts , which is more than you can say for far too many schools nowadays. Betty Jack ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

also is this any relations to the CHAMBERLANDS of Mackinac Island? james mayberry <jmay330@sbcglobal.net> wrote:hi erin, i am looking to see if there is anything on a male larose marrying a native woman between 1750-1770. their daughter josephine was born in 1770 in detroit and married joseph chamberland in 1798 in detroit. josephine is showed in dennison's book as daughter of a savage(listed under joseph chamberland). if there is anything on chamberland i could use that also. know he was born in detroit around 1760. thx, jim --- Erin wrote: > I have the Mackinac Register from 1695-1888, in > french and english. > St. Anne's Church: Parish established in 1695, and > was moved from Mackinaw City to the Island when the > fort was moved in 1780-1781. It originally stood on > the corner of Market Street, across the street from > the Windsor Hotel. About 1826 it was moved to its > present location. My Mom grew up on the island. > Will help if I can. > > > james mayberry wrote: > okay thx larry. wierd though since st. annes has on > their web site that they were started in 1701 2 days > after cadillac arrived in detroit and has records > back > to 1704, because of fire in 1703. when i called st. > annes they said they will search back to 1840's > only, > to check the burton collection for earlier. > > thx, > jim > > - Larry Friend wrote: > > James > > > > Many old records are on-line at > > http://www.gbl.indiana.edu/ > > > > The St. Joseph Baptismal Register (1727-1731) > > > http://www.gbl.indiana.edu/archives/miamis7/M23-30_16a.html > > > > Larry Friend (Black Buffalo) > > friend@2z.net > > > > EDUCA'TION, n. [L. educatio.] The bringing up, as > > of a child, instruction; > > formation of manners. Education comprehends all > that > > series of instruction > > and discipline which is intended to enlighten the > > understanding, correct the > > temper, and form the manners and habits of youth, > > and fit them for > > usefulness in their future stations. To give > > children a good education in > > manners, arts and science, is important; to give > > them a religious education > > is indispensable; and an immense responsibility > > rests on parents and > > guardians who neglect these duties. > > (Webster's Dictionary 1828) > > > > ============================================ > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: james mayberry > [mailto:jmay330@sbcglobal.net] > > Sent: 05 December 2003 13:29 > > To: NISHNAWBE-L@rootsweb.com > > Subject: [NISHNAWBE] need records help > > > > > > looking for anyone who may have st. anne's church > > records from 1704-1800, besides burton collection. > > too > > far to drive at this time and will not do complete > > look-up. st. anne's only has back to 1840s records > > available. > > > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion > > online genealogy records, go > > to: > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion > > online genealogy records, go to: > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion > online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion > online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing

Boozhoo Jim..........I am out of town @ the moment will check on this when I return. Take Care Erin james mayberry <jmay330@sbcglobal.net> wrote:hi erin, i am looking to see if there is anything on a male larose marrying a native woman between 1750-1770. their daughter josephine was born in 1770 in detroit and married joseph chamberland in 1798 in detroit. josephine is showed in dennison's book as daughter of a savage(listed under joseph chamberland). if there is anything on chamberland i could use that also. know he was born in detroit around 1760. thx, jim --- Erin wrote: > I have the Mackinac Register from 1695-1888, in > french and english. > St. Anne's Church: Parish established in 1695, and > was moved from Mackinaw City to the Island when the > fort was moved in 1780-1781. It originally stood on > the corner of Market Street, across the street from > the Windsor Hotel. About 1826 it was moved to its > present location. My Mom grew up on the island. > Will help if I can. > > > james mayberry wrote: > okay thx larry. wierd though since st. annes has on > their web site that they were started in 1701 2 days > after cadillac arrived in detroit and has records > back > to 1704, because of fire in 1703. when i called st. > annes they said they will search back to 1840's > only, > to check the burton collection for earlier. > > thx, > jim > > - Larry Friend wrote: > > James > > > > Many old records are on-line at > > http://www.gbl.indiana.edu/ > > > > The St. Joseph Baptismal Register (1727-1731) > > > http://www.gbl.indiana.edu/archives/miamis7/M23-30_16a.html > > > > Larry Friend (Black Buffalo) > > friend@2z.net > > > > EDUCA'TION, n. [L. educatio.] The bringing up, as > > of a child, instruction; > > formation of manners. Education comprehends all > that > > series of instruction > > and discipline which is intended to enlighten the > > understanding, correct the > > temper, and form the manners and habits of youth, > > and fit them for > > usefulness in their future stations. To give > > children a good education in > > manners, arts and science, is important; to give > > them a religious education > > is indispensable; and an immense responsibility > > rests on parents and > > guardians who neglect these duties. > > (Webster's Dictionary 1828) > > > > ============================================ > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: james mayberry > [mailto:jmay330@sbcglobal.net] > > Sent: 05 December 2003 13:29 > > To: NISHNAWBE-L@rootsweb.com > > Subject: [NISHNAWBE] need records help > > > > > > looking for anyone who may have st. anne's church > > records from 1704-1800, besides burton collection. > > too > > far to drive at this time and will not do complete > > look-up. st. anne's only has back to 1840s records > > available. > > > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion > > online genealogy records, go > > to: > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion > > online genealogy records, go to: > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion > online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion > online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing

Amazon.com is cheaper if you can get it there Gabby <gabby@t-one.net> wrote:Hello Everyone, While I was out and about today I stopped into a newspaper, magazine and book shop....While looking around at the books I ran across one called The Dictionary of The Ojibway Language by Fredric Baraga. It is 422 pages long and is really nice, a paper back with a price tag of $24.95. Barnes and Noble also carries this book. It has a new forwrd by: John D. Nichols. I just wanted to let you know it was out there in case someone is looking for a copy of it.. May the peace of the Great Spirit be with each of you. Gabby ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing

My Grandmother and most of the elders I know went to Mt Pleasant and the Lawrence Kansas boarding schools... If you can get them to talk about their school years, the stories are far from pleasant.... My Gram managed to maintain being fluent in the language. But she did not pass it on to her kids or grandkids.... And we now have generations of adults that love their kids. And take care of them physically.. But have no knowledge of how to be emotionally nurturing...I find that to be the greatest loss of all... Barbara --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing

I only meant to say that the book was available in case someone was looking for it.....Thanks for giving us a history on the languages...Very interesting.... May the peace of the Great Spirit be with you. Gabby ----- Original Message ----- From: "R D Winthrop" <RDWinthrop@a1access.net> To: <NISHNAWBE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 12:13 PM Subject: Re: [NISHNAWBE] Ojibway Language > > >Sorry to be so naive... but ... what is the comparison of the Ojibway and > >Potawatomi language? Both are Algonquin language. Are the dialects very > >different IF at all? > > Algonquin is a family of language stocks which, with some exceptions, > at Contact covered pretty much cover the greater part of northeastern > quadrant of North America; notable exception is the Iroquoian family > clustered mainly around the lower Great Lakes (includes Wendat > (Huron)) and in the southeast (Cherokee). > > The Algonquin family is often academically split into Northwestern and > Eastern branches; included in the former are languages often not > thought of as Algonquin including those spoken by Cheyenne, Blackfoot, > and Arapahoe. Also in the Northwestern branch are those spoken by > Cree, Shawnee, Fox, Menominee, and Illinois as well as Potawatomi and > Ojibway (Odawa / Otttawa is generally treated as not significantly > different from Ojibway but as a dialect.) > > The Eastern branch -- that is, east of the Niagara Escarpment (Bruce > Peninsula) -- include Micmac, Malacite, Abenaki, Mohegan-Pequot, > Narragansett,Mohegan, Muncie, Powhattan and others. Generally > speaking, these Eastern languages have not fared so well since Contact > as have the more widespread and/or remote Northwestern tongues = about > a dozen of them have effectively disappeared, and others are vestigal. > > I'm simplifying, but Ojibwe / Odawa are probably dialects, that is > variations of the same language. Potawatomi doesn't differ a lot -- it > uses the same building blocks, the same grammar, etc. but sounds a > little different, some words vary, etc., so it is usually treated as a > different language. Theory is that the languages diverged pretty late > in their linguistic history, so they're not far apart; flip side of > that is that the closer related they are, the less time has elapsed > since divergence. > > Even within Ojibwe / Odawa there is a lot of regional variation in > vocabulary, pronunciation, etc so that a southeastern Ojibwe speaker > from Michigan would speak / hear somewhat differently from a plains > Ojibwe in Manitoba; should be mutually intelligible, as would a > Potawatomi - Ojibway conversation. > > Potawatomi, Ojibwe & Odawa tongues can safely be referred to as > Anishinaabemowin. > > >> _Dictionary of The Ojibway Language_ by Fredric Baraga. It is 422 pages > >> and is really nice, a paper back with a price tag of $24.95. Barnes and > >> Noble also carries this book. It has a new forwrd by: John D. Nichols. > > Baraga was the hardest-working Supulcian in North America in mid 19th > c. -- he's all over the Superior country, and he worked hard at his > linguistic work, having his first dictionary published in Detroit in > the 1850s. U Minnesota, bleess their hearts, have it in print and I > recommend it to anyonme who does much work digging around in > Anishinaabemowin, although I gotta fess up and tell you I was > discourageed from using Baraga for a long time by the Speaker who > tries to get me to understand his language -- says it's too rooted in > the 19th century, and he's right that it is, but that's not > necessarily a bad thing for historical work in that period ... > > If you search for the book at places like these ought to find it new > for considerably less than list; if Used is okay, even less. > > These are comparison shopper sittes listing a range of sellers > http://www.pricescan.com/home_books.asp (< $20) > http://www.addall.com/ (< $20) > http://www.alibris.com/ (used only) > > This is a single seller i like to get a 'base price' on new books > from -- they're fast and reliable in my experience, a good seller. > http://www.alldirect.com/ ($15.47 + s/h) > > U Minnesota also published A CONCISE DICTIONARY OF MINNESOTA OJIBWE by > John D. Nichols and Earl Nyholm [ISBN=0816624283] which is also > available in paper, sometimes under $10. It is more contemporary, > easier to use, but orthography and some words are a little different > over der in Minnie-Soter than they are on this side of the Lake ;} > > regards - rdw > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

No, I have not seen any Potawatomi dictionaries available anywhere.....Maybe someday there will be one available for purchase...I guess we are lucky to see them on web sites here and there.. May the peace of the Great Spirit be with you. Gabby ----- Original Message ----- From: "ahall" <kwilliamson@blackfoot.net> To: <NISHNAWBE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 2:38 AM Subject: Re: [NISHNAWBE] Ojibway Language > Thank you for this... Hopefully there will be... or has been a Potawatomi > Dictionary in publication too one day. Do you know of one other than on the > internet? > pama mine' > Anita > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gabby" <gabby@t-one.net> > To: <NISHNAWBE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 10:24 PM > Subject: Re: [NISHNAWBE] Ojibway Language > > > > I am not sure but I think the Ojibway language could closer compare to the > > Ottawa language than the Pottawatomi. They seem to be closer connected > then > > Pottawatomi and Ojibway...Ojibway and Ottawa would understand each other > > where as Pottawatomi and Ottawa or Pottawatomi and Ojibway may not! > > > > May the peace of the Great Spirit be with you. > > > > Gabby > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "ahall" <kwilliamson@blackfoot.net> > > To: <NISHNAWBE-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 11:28 PM > > Subject: Re: [NISHNAWBE] Ojibway Language > > > > > > > Sorry to be so naive... but ... what is the comparison of the Ojibway > and > > > Potawatomi language? Both are Algonquin language. Are the dialects > very > > > different IF at all? > > > pama mine' > > > Anita > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Gabby" <gabby@t-one.net> > > > To: <NISHNAWBE-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 6:31 PM > > > Subject: [NISHNAWBE] Ojibway Language > > > > > > > > > > Hello Everyone, > > > > > > > > While I was out and about today I stopped into a newspaper, magazine > and > > > > book shop....While looking around at the books I ran across one called > > The > > > > Dictionary of The Ojibway Language by Fredric Baraga. It is 422 pages > > > long > > > > and is really nice, a paper back with a price tag of $24.95. Barnes > and > > > > Noble also carries this book. It has a new forwrd by: John D. > Nichols. > > > I > > > > just wanted to let you know it was out there in case someone is > looking > > > for > > > > a copy of it.. > > > > > > > > May the peace of the Great Spirit be with each of you. > > > > > > > > Gabby > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > > records, > > > go to: > > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > records, > > go to: > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Thank you for this explanation... I have been wondering why I have not been able to find some of the Ojibway words in the Potawatomi dictionary. I also am close to a college that teaches the Blackfoot language... but was told it was different from the Potawatomi Algonquin language... This did not make much sense till now. Thanks sooo much... If you look at the English language from NY to LA.. south to north... Sometimes it sounds like a different language in the distant areas too... coupled with the foreign accents all around... lol... pama mine' Anita ----- Original Message ----- From: "R D Winthrop" <RDWinthrop@a1access.net> To: <NISHNAWBE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 9:13 AM Subject: Re: [NISHNAWBE] Ojibway Language > > >Sorry to be so naive... but ... what is the comparison of the Ojibway and > >Potawatomi language? Both are Algonquin language. Are the dialects very > >different IF at all? > > Algonquin is a family of language stocks which, with some exceptions, > at Contact covered pretty much cover the greater part of northeastern > quadrant of North America; notable exception is the Iroquoian family > clustered mainly around the lower Great Lakes (includes Wendat > (Huron)) and in the southeast (Cherokee). > > The Algonquin family is often academically split into Northwestern and > Eastern branches; included in the former are languages often not > thought of as Algonquin including those spoken by Cheyenne, Blackfoot, > and Arapahoe. Also in the Northwestern branch are those spoken by > Cree, Shawnee, Fox, Menominee, and Illinois as well as Potawatomi and > Ojibway (Odawa / Otttawa is generally treated as not significantly > different from Ojibway but as a dialect.) > > The Eastern branch -- that is, east of the Niagara Escarpment (Bruce > Peninsula) -- include Micmac, Malacite, Abenaki, Mohegan-Pequot, > Narragansett,Mohegan, Muncie, Powhattan and others. Generally > speaking, these Eastern languages have not fared so well since Contact > as have the more widespread and/or remote Northwestern tongues = about > a dozen of them have effectively disappeared, and others are vestigal. > > I'm simplifying, but Ojibwe / Odawa are probably dialects, that is > variations of the same language. Potawatomi doesn't differ a lot -- it > uses the same building blocks, the same grammar, etc. but sounds a > little different, some words vary, etc., so it is usually treated as a > different language. Theory is that the languages diverged pretty late > in their linguistic history, so they're not far apart; flip side of > that is that the closer related they are, the less time has elapsed > since divergence. > > Even within Ojibwe / Odawa there is a lot of regional variation in > vocabulary, pronunciation, etc so that a southeastern Ojibwe speaker > from Michigan would speak / hear somewhat differently from a plains > Ojibwe in Manitoba; should be mutually intelligible, as would a > Potawatomi - Ojibway conversation. > > Potawatomi, Ojibwe & Odawa tongues can safely be referred to as > Anishinaabemowin. > > >> _Dictionary of The Ojibway Language_ by Fredric Baraga. It is 422 pages > >> and is really nice, a paper back with a price tag of $24.95. Barnes and > >> Noble also carries this book. It has a new forwrd by: John D. Nichols. > > Baraga was the hardest-working Supulcian in North America in mid 19th > c. -- he's all over the Superior country, and he worked hard at his > linguistic work, having his first dictionary published in Detroit in > the 1850s. U Minnesota, bleess their hearts, have it in print and I > recommend it to anyonme who does much work digging around in > Anishinaabemowin, although I gotta fess up and tell you I was > discourageed from using Baraga for a long time by the Speaker who > tries to get me to understand his language -- says it's too rooted in > the 19th century, and he's right that it is, but that's not > necessarily a bad thing for historical work in that period ... > > If you search for the book at places like these ought to find it new > for considerably less than list; if Used is okay, even less. > > These are comparison shopper sittes listing a range of sellers > http://www.pricescan.com/home_books.asp (< $20) > http://www.addall.com/ (< $20) > http://www.alibris.com/ (used only) > > This is a single seller i like to get a 'base price' on new books > from -- they're fast and reliable in my experience, a good seller. > http://www.alldirect.com/ ($15.47 + s/h) > > U Minnesota also published A CONCISE DICTIONARY OF MINNESOTA OJIBWE by > John D. Nichols and Earl Nyholm [ISBN=0816624283] which is also > available in paper, sometimes under $10. It is more contemporary, > easier to use, but orthography and some words are a little different > over der in Minnie-Soter than they are on this side of the Lake ;} > > regards - rdw > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Hi Mike and Larry, The forced "education" of our parents and grandparents is not in the least out of place on a list for people researching their family history. Its effects were catastrophic for the individuals and for our cultural heritage. My mother, now 82, went through the BIA boarding school system at Hayward (where the head of the school actually killed one of the students), Pipestone, Haskell, and Flandreau. the stories she tells are hair-raising. When she was first dragged off to school, she was completely bilingual in Ojibwe and English. By the time she graduated, she could hardly understand Ojibwe any more, and she could use only a few words. She calculates that from the age of 6 until graduation, she spent only a grand total of 3 whole years with her parents (including a full year "off" from school). Quite literally, her language and heritage was stolen from her, and she is still outraged. Just thinking about it makes me cry. It must be said, however, that students at the schools she attended other than Hayward were not mistreated. This was during the Depression, and while the goal was to turn the students into good servants for whites (the boys trained as mechanics and gardeners, the girls as maids, cooks, and nannies), at least their training enabled them to make a living of sorts , which is more than you can say for far too many schools nowadays. Betty Jack

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