Gary, your message was very interesting to me, because I am trying to find out if Ezekial and Louise ever had a daughter named Elizabeth. She had not been listed among his many children, but that far back, who knows if she was forgotten. What I am really trying to find is the Elizabeth who married Ambrose R Davenport about 1795 to 1798. He was in the US army stationed on Mackinac Island. Both Ambrose and Elizabeth lived on the Island until they died. Two of their sons, Ambrose, Jr. and William were in the fur trade and married Chippewa women out past the west end of Lake Superior. I will appreciate hearing from you or anyone else. Lee Edwards

Miigwech, I added this info to my database, as I am not directly related to her, but at one time thought she was one of my grandmothers. Cindy -------Original Message------- From: NISHNAWBE-L@rootsweb.com Date: 03/31/04 11:29:21 To: NISHNAWBE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NISHNAWBE] Forwarded message Yes... This is a different Sophie... You have her marriage as Jul 23 1798. This is the date she signed the marriage contract.

Yes... This is a different Sophie... You have her marriage as Jul 23 1798. This is the date she signed the marriage contract. Here's what I have on her in my database... If you see any errors or omissions please tell me. Descendants of: Ezechiel SOLOMON-SALOMON 1 Ezechiel SOLOMON-SALOMON m. Louise DUBOIS Ezekiel Solomon was a civilian trader at Michilimackinac when the massacre of June 4th, 1763, took place. He was taken prisoner, but was rescued by Ottawa Indians, and later on was ransomed at Montreal. 2 Sophie SOLOMON-SALOMON b. BEF 1786 m. Isidore Abraham PELLETIER m. Oct 08 1798 Ste-Anne, Detroit, Michigan, USA b. Jan 13 1773 Detroit, Wayne, Michigan, USA d. Mar 26 1815 Detroit, Wayne, Michigan, USA [s/o Jean Baptiste PELLETIER and Catherine VALLEE-dit-VERSAILLES] Isidore: "Denisen's Geneaology" has anglicized all the Church Registry names. Isidore is listed as Isadore PELTIER. 3 Ezechiel PELLETIER b. May 26 1799 Detroit, Wayne, Michigan, USA d. Mar 17 1848 Monroe, Michigan, USA m. Veronique Elisabeth M. LEDUC m. Jan 24 1826 Ste-Anne, Detroit, Michigan, USA b. BEF 1814 4 Josephine PELLETIER b. 1836 d. Nov 05 1927 Monroe, Michigan, USA m. Hilaire "Hillary" CICOTTE m. Oct 19 1853 St-Antoine, Riviere Raisin, Michigan b. Nov 17 1827 St-Antoine, Riviere Raisin, Michigan [s/o Jean Baptiste CICOTTE and Anne M. NAVARRE] 5 Josephine Mathilde CICOTTE 5 Elisabeth M. CICOTTE 5 Hilary J. CICOTTE 5 Amos Ephraim CICOTTE 5 Helene Adele CICOTTE 4 Philippe Baptiste PELLETIER b. Aug 31 1845 Monroe, Michigan, USA d. Mar 09 1927 Flint, Genesee, Michigan, USA m. Mary Frances HAMILTON m. Jan 28 1874 Flint, Genesee, Michigan, USA b. Jun 23 1851 Flint, Genesee, Michigan, USA d. Mar 30 1929 Flint, Genesee, Michigan, USA Family and friends always called him Baptiste (later anglicised to Batise). Civic officials started changing Philippe's name around 1860/65. They began listing him as Philip Batise Peltier. He used Peltier from 1875. 5 William Hamilton PELTIER b. Dec 17 1877 Flint, Genesee, Michigan, USA d. Jan 27 1953 Dearborn, Wayne, Michigan, USA m. Katherine May PIERCE m. Sep 11 1907 Flint, Genesee, Michigan, USA b. Mar 09 1881 Flint, Genesee, Michigan, USA d. Dec 07 1950 Flint, Genesee, Michigan, USA [d/o Edward Cushman PIERCE and Sarah Ann DAVIS] William was originally Pelletier but as an adult always used Peltier. Can be found in Official records listed as either way. Probably dependant on who was inputting the data. 6 William Hamilton PELTIER b. Oct 19 1910 Gary, Indiana, USA d. May 15 1996 Flint, Genesee, Michigan, USA m. Julian Mojeska WHITE m. Dec 28 1935 Flint, Genesee, Michigan, USA b. May 12 1912 Temple, Texas, USA d. May 28 1986 Flint, Genesee, Michigan, USA [d/o Franklin Pearson WHITE and Louise CARAWAY] William was called "Junior" by some but he didn't like being called that. 7 William Hamilton PELTIER b. Aug 25 1937 Flint, Genesee, Michigan, USA Sometimes found listed as William Hamilton PELTIER III. 3 Sophie PELLETIER b. _____ d. Apr 01 1839 Detroit, Wayne, Michigan, USA 3 Isidore PELLETIER b. Jun 03 1807 Detroit, Wayne, Michigan, USA Isidore was named after his father. 3 Jean Marie PELLETIER b. Nov 07 1813 Detroit, Wayne, Michigan, USA "Denisen's Geneaology" has anglicized all the Church Registry names. Jean is listed as John Mary PELTIER. ----- Original Message ----- From: "leisa" <leisa@netonecom.net> To: <NISHNAWBE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 5:33 AM Subject: Re: [NISHNAWBE] Forwarded message > This is what I have on Sophie Solomon, must be a different Sophie? > > Family Group Record for Isadore Pelletier > > ============================================================================ = > == > Husband: Isadore Pelletier > ============================================================================ = > == > AKA: > Born: 13 Jan 1773 - Detroit, MI > Christened: > Died: > Buried: 28 Mar 1815 - Detroit, MI > Father: Jean Baptiste Peltier ( - ) > Mother: Unknown Female ( - ) > Married: 23 Jul 1798 Place: Mackinac Island Or > 10/08/1798 > ============================================================================ = > == > Wife: Sophie Solomon > ============================================================================ = > == > AKA: Pelletier, Peltier > Born: > Christened: > Died: > Buried: > Father: Ezechiel Soloman ( - ) > Mother: Louisa Dubois ( - ) > ============================================================================ = > == > Children > ============================================================================ = > == > 1 F Sophia Peltier > Born: 8 Mar > Christened: > Died: > Buried: 1 Apr 1839 - Detroit, MI > Spouse: > Marr. Date: > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- > -- > 2 M Ezechiel Peltier > Born: 26 May 1799 > Christened: > Died: > Buried: > Spouse: > Marr. Date: > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- > -- > 3 M Isadore Peltier > Born: 3 Jun 1807 - Detroit, MI > Christened: > Died: > Buried: > Spouse: > Marr. Date: > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- > -- > 4 F John Mary Peltier > Born: 7 Nov 1813 - Detroit, MI > Christened: > Died: > Buried: > Spouse: > Marr. Date: > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- > -- > > ============================================================================ = > == > Notes (Married) > ============================================================================ = > == > > Cindy > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <RoundSky@aol.com> > To: <NISHNAWBE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 9:39 AM > Subject: [NISHNAWBE] Forwarded message > > > > Hi, could you please help me find out information on Amable Dusang? He > was > > an inhabitant of Drummond Island and was married to Sohie Solomon, William > > Solomons daughter. Is there any Indian heritage in Amable. Is his mother > Metis? > > Im having a hard time finding info. on him. I am a desendant of his and > > Sophies and I am trying to complete my geneology. I would appreciate it > if you or > > someone you know could help me out. Thank you. Tracy Turk > > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >

This is what I have on Sophie Solomon, must be a different Sophie? Family Group Record for Isadore Pelletier ============================================================================= == Husband: Isadore Pelletier ============================================================================= == AKA: Born: 13 Jan 1773 - Detroit, MI Christened: Died: Buried: 28 Mar 1815 - Detroit, MI Father: Jean Baptiste Peltier ( - ) Mother: Unknown Female ( - ) Married: 23 Jul 1798 Place: Mackinac Island Or 10/08/1798 ============================================================================= == Wife: Sophie Solomon ============================================================================= == AKA: Pelletier, Peltier Born: Christened: Died: Buried: Father: Ezechiel Soloman ( - ) Mother: Louisa Dubois ( - ) ============================================================================= == Children ============================================================================= == 1 F Sophia Peltier Born: 8 Mar Christened: Died: Buried: 1 Apr 1839 - Detroit, MI Spouse: Marr. Date: ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- 2 M Ezechiel Peltier Born: 26 May 1799 Christened: Died: Buried: Spouse: Marr. Date: ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- 3 M Isadore Peltier Born: 3 Jun 1807 - Detroit, MI Christened: Died: Buried: Spouse: Marr. Date: ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- 4 F John Mary Peltier Born: 7 Nov 1813 - Detroit, MI Christened: Died: Buried: Spouse: Marr. Date: ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- ============================================================================= == Notes (Married) ============================================================================= == Cindy ----- Original Message ----- From: <RoundSky@aol.com> To: <NISHNAWBE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 9:39 AM Subject: [NISHNAWBE] Forwarded message > Hi, could you please help me find out information on Amable Dusang? He was > an inhabitant of Drummond Island and was married to Sohie Solomon, William > Solomons daughter. Is there any Indian heritage in Amable. Is his mother Metis? > Im having a hard time finding info. on him. I am a desendant of his and > Sophies and I am trying to complete my geneology. I would appreciate it if you or > someone you know could help me out. Thank you. Tracy Turk

Tracy - all I have on Amable is the birth record of his son Henry. It reads, (translated from French), "Henry Dusang born the 18th of December 1824 of legitimate marriage of Amable Dusang and of Sophie Solomon was baptised the nineth of September 1825. Godfather was Henry Fleury and godmother Lisette Salomon." Amable signed so he must have been educated. This record comes from the St. Anne's of Detroit Exterior parish record from Drummond Island. Hope this helps. Terry

I suggest you check out the name "Ducette or Doucette" it may be another spelling. Many spelling mistakes were made in our ancestor's names. Good luck. Emery. ----- Original Message ----- From: <RoundSky@aol.com> To: <NISHNAWBE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 9:39 AM Subject: [NISHNAWBE] Forwarded message > Hi, could you please help me find out information on Amable Dusang? He was > an inhabitant of Drummond Island and was married to Sohie Solomon, William > Solomons daughter. Is there any Indian heritage in Amable. Is his mother Metis? > Im having a hard time finding info. on him. I am a desendant of his and > Sophies and I am trying to complete my geneology. I would appreciate it if you or > someone you know could help me out. Thank you. Tracy Turk > > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >

Hi, could you please help me find out information on Amable Dusang? He was an inhabitant of Drummond Island and was married to Sohie Solomon, William Solomons daughter. Is there any Indian heritage in Amable. Is his mother Metis? Im having a hard time finding info. on him. I am a desendant of his and Sophies and I am trying to complete my geneology. I would appreciate it if you or someone you know could help me out. Thank you. Tracy Turk

Any help on an obit or any other info for my g grandfather William Johnston died Sept 3 1909 in Standish MI born canada west 1848. Married in Flint in 1866. Never learned to read or write. Never became a citizen either. Bud

Yes... if Jacques David dit Pontiff is my direct line (still not sure about that) then these folks would be as well. thanks for the information! cheers, Gordon Larry F. Friend wrote: >While Charles Melanson and Marie Dugas are direct line to me as 8th great >grandparents I have not really researched them yet. I did find an impressive >page to Melanson line at: >www.gregor.ca/Acadia/Melanson/melansons-gen1.htm > >a search for MELANSON "Pierre LAVERDURE" came up with 164 hits on >google.com >a search for 1616 "Abraham DUGAS" came up with 242 hits on >google.com > >The info does seem to be correct. > >Larry Friend (Black Buffalo) >friend@2z.net > >=========================================== > >-----Original Message----- >From: bud [mailto:bud@alliancecom.net] >Sent: Friday, March 19, 2004 5:55 AM >To: NISHNAWBE-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [NISHNAWBE] Pontiff? > > >How come all is quite? Bud >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Larry F. Friend" <friend@2z.net> >To: <NISHNAWBE-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2004 5:58 PM >Subject: RE: [NISHNAWBE] Pontiff? > > > > >>Gordon >> >>This first one doesn't look like your Pontiff but may be previous >>generations and there is also a difference in spelling. >> >> >>First Generation >>1. Jeanne DELATOUR was born 1688. >>Jeanne married Jacques-David PONTIFE, son of Jacques PONTIFE and Marie >>GRANDY. >> >> >>Second Generation >>2. Jacques DELATOUR was born 1661 in Pubnico. He married Anne MELANSON on >>1686. >>3. Anne MELANSON was born 1668. >> >> >>Third Generation >>4. Charles-Amador DELATOUR was born 1593 in Champagne. He died 1666 in >>Cap-de-Sable. Charles-Amador married Marie-Jeanne MOTIN on 24 fv 1653. >>5. Marie-Jeanne MOTIN. >>6. Charles MELANSON was born 1643. He died 1737. Charles married Marie >> >> >DUGAS > > >>on 1663 in Port-Royal. >>7. Marie DUGAS was born 1646. She died 7 Jul 1737 in Port-Royal. >> >> >>Fourth Generation >>10. Louis MOTIN married Marie DESALINS. >>11. Marie DESALINS. >>12. Pierre LAVERDURE was born in Écosse. He married Priscille MALLISON on >>1630. >>13. Priscille MALLISON was born in Angleterre. >>14. Abraham DUGAS was born 1616 in Toulouse, France. He died 1698. Abraham >>married Marguerite-Louise DOUCET on 1647 in Port-Royal. >>15. Marguerite-Louise DOUCET was born 1624. She died 1707. >> >> >>You might also look at >>http://homepage.ntlworld.com/pitretrail/myline/paternal/cpontiff.htm >>Charles Pontiff was born Abt. 1750, and died 15 July 1832 in Thibodaux, >>Lafourche, LA. >> These two had 16 chidren but you listed no children or siblings. >> >>Also try >>http://homepage.ntlworld.com/pitretrail/myline/paternal/PBerthelot.htm >>Notes for Pierre Berthelot: >>- Pierre Berthelot was born c1764 to French immigrant parents. They had >>left the Mobile area and settled along the Second German Coast (St. John >>parish). In 1784 he married Anna Barbe Kerner, the daughter of German >>immigrants. >>- 18 July 1786: Pierre bought a 5-arpent farm (bounded below by Charles >>Pontife and above by Christian Charles Smith) for 900 piastres. >> >>I don't know if these will help but... >> >>Larry Friend (Black Buffalo) >>friend@2z.net >> >>=========================================== >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Gordon Bonnet [mailto:jaggy227@fltg.net] >>Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2004 9:04 AM >>To: NISHNAWBE-L@rootsweb.com >>Subject: [NISHNAWBE] Pontiff? >> >> >>Does anyone on the list know of any upper Midwest Pontiffs (or David dit >>Pontiff), probably of Quebecois origin? I'm looking for another of my >>lost-in-transition ancestors, Charles Pontiff, probably b. in the >>1740's. I suspect from Quebecois records that he might have been David >>dit Pontiff. >> >>Any help appreciated! >> >>cheers, >> >>Gordon >> >> >>============================== >>Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration >>Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. >>http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >> >> >>============================== >>Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration >>Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. >>http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >> >> >> >> > > >============================== >Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration >Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > >============================== >Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration >Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > >

Hi All I sent Lorraine the message below and thought I should copy this to the list. She has been researching Bouche which brought up 9 hits but by searching for Bouché, there were 3 additional hits. Some interesting reading when you find family in it. The actual web page to search from is: http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/lhbumquery.html scroll down to the Search Full Text area. Click on New Search, when this page comes up scroll down to Search Full Text: then enter Bouche (9 hits), Bouché (3 hits), etc. I have been away for the last week and just got home. I think you will enjoy doing different searches on this site. Larry Larry Friend (Black Buffalo) friend@2z.net > Lorraine > > The page numbers follow the reference below. > > http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/r?ammem/lhbum:@field(DOCID+@lit(lhbum768 9hdiv119)): > Bouché, Joseph, child baptized, 91. > Bouché, Paul, baptized, 91. > Boucherville, Pierre Amable Boucher, sieur de, at Mackinac,

While Charles Melanson and Marie Dugas are direct line to me as 8th great grandparents I have not really researched them yet. I did find an impressive page to Melanson line at: www.gregor.ca/Acadia/Melanson/melansons-gen1.htm a search for MELANSON "Pierre LAVERDURE" came up with 164 hits on google.com a search for 1616 "Abraham DUGAS" came up with 242 hits on google.com The info does seem to be correct. Larry Friend (Black Buffalo) friend@2z.net =========================================== -----Original Message----- From: bud [mailto:bud@alliancecom.net] Sent: Friday, March 19, 2004 5:55 AM To: NISHNAWBE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NISHNAWBE] Pontiff? How come all is quite? Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry F. Friend" <friend@2z.net> To: <NISHNAWBE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2004 5:58 PM Subject: RE: [NISHNAWBE] Pontiff? > Gordon > > This first one doesn't look like your Pontiff but may be previous > generations and there is also a difference in spelling. > > > First Generation > 1. Jeanne DELATOUR was born 1688. > Jeanne married Jacques-David PONTIFE, son of Jacques PONTIFE and Marie > GRANDY. > > > Second Generation > 2. Jacques DELATOUR was born 1661 in Pubnico. He married Anne MELANSON on > 1686. > 3. Anne MELANSON was born 1668. > > > Third Generation > 4. Charles-Amador DELATOUR was born 1593 in Champagne. He died 1666 in > Cap-de-Sable. Charles-Amador married Marie-Jeanne MOTIN on 24 fv 1653. > 5. Marie-Jeanne MOTIN. > 6. Charles MELANSON was born 1643. He died 1737. Charles married Marie DUGAS > on 1663 in Port-Royal. > 7. Marie DUGAS was born 1646. She died 7 Jul 1737 in Port-Royal. > > > Fourth Generation > 10. Louis MOTIN married Marie DESALINS. > 11. Marie DESALINS. > 12. Pierre LAVERDURE was born in Écosse. He married Priscille MALLISON on > 1630. > 13. Priscille MALLISON was born in Angleterre. > 14. Abraham DUGAS was born 1616 in Toulouse, France. He died 1698. Abraham > married Marguerite-Louise DOUCET on 1647 in Port-Royal. > 15. Marguerite-Louise DOUCET was born 1624. She died 1707. > > > You might also look at > http://homepage.ntlworld.com/pitretrail/myline/paternal/cpontiff.htm > Charles Pontiff was born Abt. 1750, and died 15 July 1832 in Thibodaux, > Lafourche, LA. > These two had 16 chidren but you listed no children or siblings. > > Also try > http://homepage.ntlworld.com/pitretrail/myline/paternal/PBerthelot.htm > Notes for Pierre Berthelot: > - Pierre Berthelot was born c1764 to French immigrant parents. They had > left the Mobile area and settled along the Second German Coast (St. John > parish). In 1784 he married Anna Barbe Kerner, the daughter of German > immigrants. > - 18 July 1786: Pierre bought a 5-arpent farm (bounded below by Charles > Pontife and above by Christian Charles Smith) for 900 piastres. > > I don't know if these will help but... > > Larry Friend (Black Buffalo) > friend@2z.net > > =========================================== > > -----Original Message----- > From: Gordon Bonnet [mailto:jaggy227@fltg.net] > Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2004 9:04 AM > To: NISHNAWBE-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [NISHNAWBE] Pontiff? > > > Does anyone on the list know of any upper Midwest Pontiffs (or David dit > Pontiff), probably of Quebecois origin? I'm looking for another of my > lost-in-transition ancestors, Charles Pontiff, probably b. in the > 1740's. I suspect from Quebecois records that he might have been David > dit Pontiff. > > Any help appreciated! > > cheers, > > Gordon > > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

How come all is quite? Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry F. Friend" <friend@2z.net> To: <NISHNAWBE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2004 5:58 PM Subject: RE: [NISHNAWBE] Pontiff? > Gordon > > This first one doesn't look like your Pontiff but may be previous > generations and there is also a difference in spelling. > > > First Generation > 1. Jeanne DELATOUR was born 1688. > Jeanne married Jacques-David PONTIFE, son of Jacques PONTIFE and Marie > GRANDY. > > > Second Generation > 2. Jacques DELATOUR was born 1661 in Pubnico. He married Anne MELANSON on > 1686. > 3. Anne MELANSON was born 1668. > > > Third Generation > 4. Charles-Amador DELATOUR was born 1593 in Champagne. He died 1666 in > Cap-de-Sable. Charles-Amador married Marie-Jeanne MOTIN on 24 fv 1653. > 5. Marie-Jeanne MOTIN. > 6. Charles MELANSON was born 1643. He died 1737. Charles married Marie DUGAS > on 1663 in Port-Royal. > 7. Marie DUGAS was born 1646. She died 7 Jul 1737 in Port-Royal. > > > Fourth Generation > 10. Louis MOTIN married Marie DESALINS. > 11. Marie DESALINS. > 12. Pierre LAVERDURE was born in Écosse. He married Priscille MALLISON on > 1630. > 13. Priscille MALLISON was born in Angleterre. > 14. Abraham DUGAS was born 1616 in Toulouse, France. He died 1698. Abraham > married Marguerite-Louise DOUCET on 1647 in Port-Royal. > 15. Marguerite-Louise DOUCET was born 1624. She died 1707. > > > You might also look at > http://homepage.ntlworld.com/pitretrail/myline/paternal/cpontiff.htm > Charles Pontiff was born Abt. 1750, and died 15 July 1832 in Thibodaux, > Lafourche, LA. > These two had 16 chidren but you listed no children or siblings. > > Also try > http://homepage.ntlworld.com/pitretrail/myline/paternal/PBerthelot.htm > Notes for Pierre Berthelot: > - Pierre Berthelot was born c1764 to French immigrant parents. They had > left the Mobile area and settled along the Second German Coast (St. John > parish). In 1784 he married Anna Barbe Kerner, the daughter of German > immigrants. > - 18 July 1786: Pierre bought a 5-arpent farm (bounded below by Charles > Pontife and above by Christian Charles Smith) for 900 piastres. > > I don't know if these will help but... > > Larry Friend (Black Buffalo) > friend@2z.net > > =========================================== > > -----Original Message----- > From: Gordon Bonnet [mailto:jaggy227@fltg.net] > Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2004 9:04 AM > To: NISHNAWBE-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [NISHNAWBE] Pontiff? > > > Does anyone on the list know of any upper Midwest Pontiffs (or David dit > Pontiff), probably of Quebecois origin? I'm looking for another of my > lost-in-transition ancestors, Charles Pontiff, probably b. in the > 1740's. I suspect from Quebecois records that he might have been David > dit Pontiff. > > Any help appreciated! > > cheers, > > Gordon > > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > >

Hi..... Thanks so much for your response! The first pair -- Jeanne DeLaTour & Jacques Francois Pontife (or Pontiff or David) are the pair that I thought for years were the parents of Charles. However, apparently Jacques died too early to be Charles' father -- and no one seems to be able to find any grandchildren of the pair. So (unfortunately) this seems to be a dead end. The Charles Pontiff in Louisiana you reference further down (the one with sixteen children) is indeed my forebear. He married Catherine Hauptmann (Hoffmann) and they lived down in SE Louisiana. One of his older daughters, Marie Louise Pontiff, married Jean Louis Exnicios. They are my g-g-g-g-grandparents. Charles Pontiff has resisted virtually all of his descendants' efforts to discover his origins. I'm trying everything I can to find Pontiff records, but still no real luck. Thanks so much for responding... I wasn't familiar with the websites you list, so I'll check 'em out. cheers, Gordon Larry F. Friend wrote: >Gordon > >This first one doesn't look like your Pontiff but may be previous >generations and there is also a difference in spelling. > > >First Generation >1. Jeanne DELATOUR was born 1688. >Jeanne married Jacques-David PONTIFE, son of Jacques PONTIFE and Marie >GRANDY. > > >Second Generation >2. Jacques DELATOUR was born 1661 in Pubnico. He married Anne MELANSON on >1686. >3. Anne MELANSON was born 1668. > > >Third Generation >4. Charles-Amador DELATOUR was born 1593 in Champagne. He died 1666 in >Cap-de-Sable. Charles-Amador married Marie-Jeanne MOTIN on 24 fv 1653. >5. Marie-Jeanne MOTIN. >6. Charles MELANSON was born 1643. He died 1737. Charles married Marie DUGAS >on 1663 in Port-Royal. >7. Marie DUGAS was born 1646. She died 7 Jul 1737 in Port-Royal. > > >Fourth Generation >10. Louis MOTIN married Marie DESALINS. >11. Marie DESALINS. >12. Pierre LAVERDURE was born in Écosse. He married Priscille MALLISON on >1630. >13. Priscille MALLISON was born in Angleterre. >14. Abraham DUGAS was born 1616 in Toulouse, France. He died 1698. Abraham >married Marguerite-Louise DOUCET on 1647 in Port-Royal. >15. Marguerite-Louise DOUCET was born 1624. She died 1707. > > >You might also look at >http://homepage.ntlworld.com/pitretrail/myline/paternal/cpontiff.htm >Charles Pontiff was born Abt. 1750, and died 15 July 1832 in Thibodaux, >Lafourche, LA. > These two had 16 chidren but you listed no children or siblings. > >Also try >http://homepage.ntlworld.com/pitretrail/myline/paternal/PBerthelot.htm >Notes for Pierre Berthelot: >- Pierre Berthelot was born c1764 to French immigrant parents. They had >left the Mobile area and settled along the Second German Coast (St. John >parish). In 1784 he married Anna Barbe Kerner, the daughter of German >immigrants. >- 18 July 1786: Pierre bought a 5-arpent farm (bounded below by Charles >Pontife and above by Christian Charles Smith) for 900 piastres. > >I don't know if these will help but... > >Larry Friend (Black Buffalo) >friend@2z.net > >=========================================== > >-----Original Message----- >From: Gordon Bonnet [mailto:jaggy227@fltg.net] >Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2004 9:04 AM >To: NISHNAWBE-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [NISHNAWBE] Pontiff? > > >Does anyone on the list know of any upper Midwest Pontiffs (or David dit >Pontiff), probably of Quebecois origin? I'm looking for another of my >lost-in-transition ancestors, Charles Pontiff, probably b. in the >1740's. I suspect from Quebecois records that he might have been David >dit Pontiff. > >Any help appreciated! > >cheers, > >Gordon > > >============================== >Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration >Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > >============================== >Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration >Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > >

Gordon This first one doesn't look like your Pontiff but may be previous generations and there is also a difference in spelling. First Generation 1. Jeanne DELATOUR was born 1688. Jeanne married Jacques-David PONTIFE, son of Jacques PONTIFE and Marie GRANDY. Second Generation 2. Jacques DELATOUR was born 1661 in Pubnico. He married Anne MELANSON on 1686. 3. Anne MELANSON was born 1668. Third Generation 4. Charles-Amador DELATOUR was born 1593 in Champagne. He died 1666 in Cap-de-Sable. Charles-Amador married Marie-Jeanne MOTIN on 24 fv 1653. 5. Marie-Jeanne MOTIN. 6. Charles MELANSON was born 1643. He died 1737. Charles married Marie DUGAS on 1663 in Port-Royal. 7. Marie DUGAS was born 1646. She died 7 Jul 1737 in Port-Royal. Fourth Generation 10. Louis MOTIN married Marie DESALINS. 11. Marie DESALINS. 12. Pierre LAVERDURE was born in Écosse. He married Priscille MALLISON on 1630. 13. Priscille MALLISON was born in Angleterre. 14. Abraham DUGAS was born 1616 in Toulouse, France. He died 1698. Abraham married Marguerite-Louise DOUCET on 1647 in Port-Royal. 15. Marguerite-Louise DOUCET was born 1624. She died 1707. You might also look at http://homepage.ntlworld.com/pitretrail/myline/paternal/cpontiff.htm Charles Pontiff was born Abt. 1750, and died 15 July 1832 in Thibodaux, Lafourche, LA. These two had 16 chidren but you listed no children or siblings. Also try http://homepage.ntlworld.com/pitretrail/myline/paternal/PBerthelot.htm Notes for Pierre Berthelot: - Pierre Berthelot was born c1764 to French immigrant parents. They had left the Mobile area and settled along the Second German Coast (St. John parish). In 1784 he married Anna Barbe Kerner, the daughter of German immigrants. - 18 July 1786: Pierre bought a 5-arpent farm (bounded below by Charles Pontife and above by Christian Charles Smith) for 900 piastres. I don't know if these will help but... Larry Friend (Black Buffalo) friend@2z.net =========================================== -----Original Message----- From: Gordon Bonnet [mailto:jaggy227@fltg.net] Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2004 9:04 AM To: NISHNAWBE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [NISHNAWBE] Pontiff? Does anyone on the list know of any upper Midwest Pontiffs (or David dit Pontiff), probably of Quebecois origin? I'm looking for another of my lost-in-transition ancestors, Charles Pontiff, probably b. in the 1740's. I suspect from Quebecois records that he might have been David dit Pontiff. Any help appreciated! cheers, Gordon ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

Does anyone on the list know of any upper Midwest Pontiffs (or David dit Pontiff), probably of Quebecois origin? I'm looking for another of my lost-in-transition ancestors, Charles Pontiff, probably b. in the 1740's. I suspect from Quebecois records that he might have been David dit Pontiff. Any help appreciated! cheers, Gordon

In a message dated 3/12/04 7:11:12 AM, rdwinthrop@a1access.net writes: << http://www.genealogy.gc.ca/02/020501a_e.html >> Exactly what I needed! Thanks! Betty Jack

HI Terry There is a ton of Barils at that site. I tried entering different spellings and came up with these.......... Did you know that there was a Point Barril?? See below... I wonder where it is and if the location had anything to do with the Dit name for Louis Lajoie. BettyK ><><><><><>><><><><>><>< Voyarapportvoyatable ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Nom Notaire Destination BARRIL, JOSEPH CHABOILLEZ, LOUIS DETROIT BARRIL, JOSEPH CHABOILLEZ, LOUIS DETROIT CLOUTIER, JACQUES CHABOILLEZ, LOUIS POINTE-AU-BARRIL CLOUTIER, PIERRE CHABOILLEZ, LOUIS POINTE-AU-BARRIL DUMAIS, ETIENNE CHABOILLEZ, LOUIS POINTE-AU-BARRIL TESSIER, JOSEPH CHABOILLEZ, LOUIS POINTE-AU-BARRIL BARRIL, ALEXIS PORLIER POSTE DE MICHILIMAKINAC ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Retrieval software: DB/Text WebPublisher, provided by ----- Original Message ----- From: <Trashound@aol.com> To: <NISHNAWBE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2004 9:35 AM Subject: Re: [NISHNAWBE] voyageurs site disappeared! > Betty - I have been frustrated by that as well. I sent them an email about a > month ago inquiring about the site and received no response. I am hoping > they are adding to it, but can find no announcement about it. Does anyone on > this list live there who would be willing to make a visit and give us the scoop? > I'm wondering if they are going to the subscription method like the PRDH. I > would definately be willing to send them the money for that! I guess we just > have to wait until they update their site! Happy researching, Terry > > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > _____________________________________________________ > This message scanned for viruses by CoreComm >

Sorry Emery A.Iliff, there is no research envolved on my part just a misplaced brain as I read the Hooper notes I did not have my comprehension in gear as I had heard previously from "old" people in the Eastport area that they thought his village was Potawatami and the one in Eastport, Old Antrim and Norwood were Ottawa. But, I guess they were wrong and I was wrong not to pick up on Hooper's notes. Mary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Emery A. Iliff" <tomahawk4172@surf1.ws> To: <NISHNAWBE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, March 12, 2004 1:22 PM Subject: Re: [NISHNAWBE] Kewadin > I am the grt grt grandson of Kewadin, and he was Odawa/Ottawa, not > Pottawatami. Please get your research straight, to suggest such is offensive > . I am proud of my heritage. Emery A. Iliff. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "ray&mary" <yaaker@rangeweb.net> > To: <NISHNAWBE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, March 12, 2004 10:32 AM > Subject: Re: [NISHNAWBE] Kewadin > > > please send me these emails thank you mary > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Vern D. Weller <vern@torchlake.com> > To: <NISHNAWBE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, March 12, 2004 6:28 AM > Subject: [NISHNAWBE] Kewadin > > > Those who are seeking additional information on Potawatomy Kewaydin > (Kewadin) I am sending 4 small pages, in separate emails, so as to not > overload your email box, from a book "Pioneer Notes by Trek and Sail to > Grand Traverse Bay" (wop) from the notes of Grace Hooper. Grace Hooper, > while a time parameter is not given in the book, was a correspondent with > the Central Lake Torch and walked the entire Antrim area in Michigan, North > of Traverse City to Charlevoix and while doing this work, she embarked on a > personal project to record the histories and experiences of every person > living or working in the area. It is interesting that Kewadin escaped the > forced removal in 1840 of the Potawatomies from Michigan to "beyond the > Mississippi" by the US Army commanded by General Brady. Page 57 notes a > treaty of 1821 with the Potawatomy and a second of 1826 and finally a third > of 1836 with the Ottawa and Chippewa. Is this the reason? Kewadin was now an > Ottawa/Chippewa? Scholars where are! > you? > > > > Hope the clues provided in the text will be aid someone’s research. > > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >

No offense taken. My grandmother, Myrtle Clarisa Boyce Robinson, would have fit in perfectly in Oneida, Wisconsin. I am currently an Oneida employee wondering why I look like all the Smiths in the tribe. "Emery A. Iliff" <tomahawk4172@surf1.ws> wrote:No offense intended, my ancestors were traced back to Montreal, 1800, to my grandmother, Kewadin's grand daughter in Michigan. My father was born 1906 in Traverse City Mi., and handed down many stories about our ancestors. Emery. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Vern D. Weller" To: Sent: Friday, March 12, 2004 10:52 AM Subject: Re: [NISHNAWBE] Kewadin Sorry Emery A.Iliff, there is no research envolved on my part just a misplaced brain as I read the Hooper notes I did not have my comprehension in gear as I had heard previously from "old" people in the Eastport area that they thought his village was Potawatami and the one in Eastport, Old Antrim and Norwood were Ottawa. But, I guess they were wrong and I was wrong not to pick up on Hooper's notes. Mary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Emery A. Iliff" To: Sent: Friday, March 12, 2004 1:22 PM Subject: Re: [NISHNAWBE] Kewadin > I am the grt grt grandson of Kewadin, and he was Odawa/Ottawa, not > Pottawatami. Please get your research straight, to suggest such is offensive > . I am proud of my heritage. Emery A. Iliff. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "ray&mary" > To: > Sent: Friday, March 12, 2004 10:32 AM > Subject: Re: [NISHNAWBE] Kewadin > > > please send me these emails thank you mary > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Vern D. Weller > To: > Sent: Friday, March 12, 2004 6:28 AM > Subject: [NISHNAWBE] Kewadin > > > Those who are seeking additional information on Potawatomy Kewaydin > (Kewadin) I am sending 4 small pages, in separate emails, so as to not > overload your email box, from a book "Pioneer Notes by Trek and Sail to > Grand Traverse Bay" (wop) from the notes of Grace Hooper. Grace Hooper, > while a time parameter is not given in the book, was a correspondent with > the Central Lake Torch and walked the entire Antrim area in Michigan, North > of Traverse City to Charlevoix and while doing this work, she embarked on a > personal project to record the histories and experiences of every person > living or working in the area. It is interesting that Kewadin escaped the > forced removal in 1840 of the Potawatomies from Michigan to "beyond the > Mississippi" by the US Army commanded by General Brady. Page 57 notes a > treaty of 1821 with the Potawatomy and a second of 1826 and finally a third > of 1836 with the Ottawa and Chippewa. Is this the reason? Kewadin was now an > Ottawa/Chippewa? Scholars where are! > you? > > > > Hope the clues provided in the text will be aid someone�s research. > > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

No offense intended, my ancestors were traced back to Montreal, 1800, to my grandmother, Kewadin's grand daughter in Michigan. My father was born 1906 in Traverse City Mi., and handed down many stories about our ancestors. Emery. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Vern D. Weller" <vern@torchlake.com> To: <NISHNAWBE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, March 12, 2004 10:52 AM Subject: Re: [NISHNAWBE] Kewadin Sorry Emery A.Iliff, there is no research envolved on my part just a misplaced brain as I read the Hooper notes I did not have my comprehension in gear as I had heard previously from "old" people in the Eastport area that they thought his village was Potawatami and the one in Eastport, Old Antrim and Norwood were Ottawa. But, I guess they were wrong and I was wrong not to pick up on Hooper's notes. Mary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Emery A. Iliff" <tomahawk4172@surf1.ws> To: <NISHNAWBE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, March 12, 2004 1:22 PM Subject: Re: [NISHNAWBE] Kewadin > I am the grt grt grandson of Kewadin, and he was Odawa/Ottawa, not > Pottawatami. Please get your research straight, to suggest such is offensive > . I am proud of my heritage. Emery A. Iliff. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "ray&mary" <yaaker@rangeweb.net> > To: <NISHNAWBE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, March 12, 2004 10:32 AM > Subject: Re: [NISHNAWBE] Kewadin > > > please send me these emails thank you mary > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Vern D. Weller <vern@torchlake.com> > To: <NISHNAWBE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, March 12, 2004 6:28 AM > Subject: [NISHNAWBE] Kewadin > > > Those who are seeking additional information on Potawatomy Kewaydin > (Kewadin) I am sending 4 small pages, in separate emails, so as to not > overload your email box, from a book "Pioneer Notes by Trek and Sail to > Grand Traverse Bay" (wop) from the notes of Grace Hooper. Grace Hooper, > while a time parameter is not given in the book, was a correspondent with > the Central Lake Torch and walked the entire Antrim area in Michigan, North > of Traverse City to Charlevoix and while doing this work, she embarked on a > personal project to record the histories and experiences of every person > living or working in the area. It is interesting that Kewadin escaped the > forced removal in 1840 of the Potawatomies from Michigan to "beyond the > Mississippi" by the US Army commanded by General Brady. Page 57 notes a > treaty of 1821 with the Potawatomy and a second of 1826 and finally a third > of 1836 with the Ottawa and Chippewa. Is this the reason? Kewadin was now an > Ottawa/Chippewa? Scholars where are! > you? > > > > Hope the clues provided in the text will be aid someone’s research. > > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237