Sure would make my day! Spiritdove ~v~ Thunder Bay, Ontario Ojibwas?? Iron River, Wisconsin Ojibwas?? FERGUSONS!

Excellant reply! "Charles E. Adams, Jr." <hydro@accutek.com> wrote:Larry, I did not go to the links listed on the original posting so I am not sure whether it has any relevance to this site or not. I suspect though, that it probably is as relevant as is political rhetoric that borders on antisemitism and anticatholicism. If my memory serves me correctly, the last few years has seen on assault on innocent Jews by Palestinians that defies human understanding. And if my memory serves me correctly, the colonizers of North America, the ones who tried to exterminate the natives, were anything but RC adherents. My point; maybe both discussions belong elsewhere. Thanks. Charles Adams At 08:28 PM 11/29/2004, you wrote: >Pat > >My first thought is why is this on a list for Indian researchers? Second >thought came as I looked at your map; will Israel purchase or conquer the 8 >mile radius that is maybe 80% owned by my relatives? > >I see a "NEW JERUSALEM" as maybe a hope for peace in the Middle East and a >lessening of the American Tax burden as we pay for Israel's expenses >there. It >would be nice if Canada gave this land for these reasons but if this "NEW >JERUSALEM" is only the capitol of the New Israel, will it take in all of >North >America? I worry about that as I am considered an "Infidel" by them as would >be my children that the outcome could be less favorable or maybe even fatal. >The news shows what happens to those opposed to Israel in the Middle East. > >Arabs and Jews look at the rest of the world in a very unkindly way for their >difference in beliefs. The aboriginals of this world have been almost >exterminated due to Papal decrees. Who or what religion will be in charge of: >THE ASYLUM CITY IS AN AREA-REFUGE IN CANADA FOR THE END TIMES"? > >Did I read all these webpages? No! I felt it was not a post of or for Native >research. > >Could you elaborate on how this is Nishnawbe-L related subject. > >Also! I am real curious as to the location. Most of the east half of this >radius is in the ocean. Just west a few miles is Bennett, the hazardous waste >site of North America. Worse than Jersey! Maps tell me that water flows >toward >your circle. You would think a refuge could have at least taken an area with >the basics being clean - water and air. You cannot even eat the lobsters in >parts of the Bay. What will time bring? > >Larry Friend (Black Buffalo) >niidji@mchsi.com > > what do you think of this? ASYLCITY > > > > > > ============================== > > View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find > > marriage announcements and more. Learn more: > > http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx > > > > >============================== >Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. >New content added every business day. Learn more: >http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx ============================== Expand your family tree. Search more than 200 million names in Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx Chuck Robinson

Larry, I did not go to the links listed on the original posting so I am not sure whether it has any relevance to this site or not. I suspect though, that it probably is as relevant as is political rhetoric that borders on antisemitism and anticatholicism. If my memory serves me correctly, the last few years has seen on assault on innocent Jews by Palestinians that defies human understanding. And if my memory serves me correctly, the colonizers of North America, the ones who tried to exterminate the natives, were anything but RC adherents. My point; maybe both discussions belong elsewhere. Thanks. Charles Adams At 08:28 PM 11/29/2004, you wrote: >Pat > >My first thought is why is this on a list for Indian researchers? Second >thought came as I looked at your map; will Israel purchase or conquer the 8 >mile radius that is maybe 80% owned by my relatives? > >I see a "NEW JERUSALEM" as maybe a hope for peace in the Middle East and a >lessening of the American Tax burden as we pay for Israel's expenses >there. It >would be nice if Canada gave this land for these reasons but if this "NEW >JERUSALEM" is only the capitol of the New Israel, will it take in all of >North >America? I worry about that as I am considered an "Infidel" by them as would >be my children that the outcome could be less favorable or maybe even fatal. >The news shows what happens to those opposed to Israel in the Middle East. > >Arabs and Jews look at the rest of the world in a very unkindly way for their >difference in beliefs. The aboriginals of this world have been almost >exterminated due to Papal decrees. Who or what religion will be in charge of: >THE ASYLUM CITY IS AN AREA-REFUGE IN CANADA FOR THE END TIMES"? > >Did I read all these webpages? No! I felt it was not a post of or for Native >research. > >Could you elaborate on how this is Nishnawbe-L related subject. > >Also! I am real curious as to the location. Most of the east half of this >radius is in the ocean. Just west a few miles is Bennett, the hazardous waste >site of North America. Worse than Jersey! Maps tell me that water flows >toward >your circle. You would think a refuge could have at least taken an area with >the basics being clean - water and air. You cannot even eat the lobsters in >parts of the Bay. What will time bring? > >Larry Friend (Black Buffalo) >niidji@mchsi.com > > what do you think of this? ASYLCITY > > > > > > ============================== > > View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find > > marriage announcements and more. Learn more: > > http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx > > > > >============================== >Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. >New content added every business day. Learn more: >http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx

Pat My first thought is why is this on a list for Indian researchers? Second thought came as I looked at your map; will Israel purchase or conquer the 8 mile radius that is maybe 80% owned by my relatives? I see a "NEW JERUSALEM" as maybe a hope for peace in the Middle East and a lessening of the American Tax burden as we pay for Israel's expenses there. It would be nice if Canada gave this land for these reasons but if this "NEW JERUSALEM" is only the capitol of the New Israel, will it take in all of North America? I worry about that as I am considered an "Infidel" by them as would be my children that the outcome could be less favorable or maybe even fatal. The news shows what happens to those opposed to Israel in the Middle East. Arabs and Jews look at the rest of the world in a very unkindly way for their difference in beliefs. The aboriginals of this world have been almost exterminated due to Papal decrees. Who or what religion will be in charge of: THE ASYLUM CITY IS AN AREA-REFUGE IN CANADA FOR THE END TIMES"? Did I read all these webpages? No! I felt it was not a post of or for Native research. Could you elaborate on how this is Nishnawbe-L related subject. Also! I am real curious as to the location. Most of the east half of this radius is in the ocean. Just west a few miles is Bennett, the hazardous waste site of North America. Worse than Jersey! Maps tell me that water flows toward your circle. You would think a refuge could have at least taken an area with the basics being clean - water and air. You cannot even eat the lobsters in parts of the Bay. What will time bring? Larry Friend (Black Buffalo) niidji@mchsi.com > what do you think of this? ASYLCITY > > > ============================== > View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find > marriage announcements and more. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx >

Pam: I didn't know! I try and keep you informed on what is happening anyways! Would you mind if I sent you the gossip column I receive from the Sault Tribe when I get it once and awhile? Current temperature is 35-degrees. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pam Tessier" <pamtessier@sympatico.ca> To: <NISHNAWBE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 1:21 PM Subject: RE: [NISHNAWBE] url : Minnesota Birth Certificate Index > Thanks Paul. I subscribe to the Nishnawbe mailing list so I did see that > post. > > Pam > > -----Original Message----- > From: R D Winthrop [mailto:RDWinthrop@a1access.net] > Sent: November 27, 2004 4:01 PM > To: NISHNAWBE-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [NISHNAWBE] url : Minnesota Birth Certificate Index > > > Minnesota Birth Certificate Index > http://www.researchbuzz.org/archives/002121.shtml > > The Minnesota Historical Society has started up a birth certificate > index with certificates available from 1900 to 1907. More will be > added : << http://people.mnhs.org/bci/ >> You may search by last > name, first name, and mother's maiden name. You may also search a > range of years. The results list including name, date of birth, county > of birth, ID #, and mother's maiden name. From the search result page > you can order birth certificate copies for eight bucks each. > > > ============================== > OneWorldTree - The World's largest family tree. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13971/rd.ashx > > > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.802 / Virus Database: 545 - Release Date: 26/11/2004 > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.802 / Virus Database: 545 - Release Date: 26/11/2004 > > > > ============================== > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx >

Thanks Paul. I subscribe to the Nishnawbe mailing list so I did see that post. Pam -----Original Message----- From: R D Winthrop [mailto:RDWinthrop@a1access.net] Sent: November 27, 2004 4:01 PM To: NISHNAWBE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [NISHNAWBE] url : Minnesota Birth Certificate Index Minnesota Birth Certificate Index http://www.researchbuzz.org/archives/002121.shtml The Minnesota Historical Society has started up a birth certificate index with certificates available from 1900 to 1907. More will be added : << http://people.mnhs.org/bci/ >> You may search by last name, first name, and mother's maiden name. You may also search a range of years. The results list including name, date of birth, county of birth, ID #, and mother's maiden name. From the search result page you can order birth certificate copies for eight bucks each. ============================== OneWorldTree - The World's largest family tree. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13971/rd.ashx --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.802 / Virus Database: 545 - Release Date: 26/11/2004 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.802 / Virus Database: 545 - Release Date: 26/11/2004

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Thanks, might give a call to the tribal headquarters in Oklahome and see what they say... good idea. ----- Original Message ----- From: <Honestind@aol.com> To: <NISHNAWBE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2004 6:53 PM Subject: Re: [NISHNAWBE] land patent > Also, tribes have been acquiring these lands to consolidate for tribal uses; > best to go back to the tribal council in that particular county/reservation > and inquire. They are a good resource of information as well. > > > ============================== > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx

Also, tribes have been acquiring these lands to consolidate for tribal uses; best to go back to the tribal council in that particular county/reservation and inquire. They are a good resource of information as well.

> If there is a land patent in the name of our ancesters ... located on the > site sugested... Does that mean the land is still owned by them ? No, afraid it doesn't. The "patent' is what the US Government called the legal instrument by which federal land first passed from US to non-governmental hands ... up here in the Old Northwest, once land was surveyed it would go on the market; some lands were withheld for public purpose, and Treaty lands were Reserved. > Yes...I have also been curious on this also ... my gg grandparents > and gg uncles also had land patents in Michigan. Who took over > the land after that....doesn't that still stay in the family? Land allotments on nDn reserves were made to individuals, however, not to Tribes / Bands or any collective, and they were "severable' meaning they could be disposed of by the individual landowner after a certain period during which the "patent" stood in lieu of more formal title. You could sell it for cash or use it to settle debt, lose it in a gamble or to taxes, abandon it, be swindled, or have it legally stolen in court ... here in Michigan, most allotment patents were issued by 1890's and, in some communities, most (80-90%) had changed hands within a decade, and generally out of nDn hands. > Is there anyway of finding out if it was sold or not? Once the land has transferred from the US gov't, title records are maintained by the county in which the land exists; if they're old enough they <may> have been duplicated, but probably not. After locating the land by survey location (or by other means if its a city lot, etc.) you can easily find relevant records at appropriate County courthouse. regards - rdw

Bud Fractionated land title is a problem created by the government. First of all allotments should not have been. Reservations were to be set aside for the Band or Tribe, not to individuals as the government decided and then the so-called extra sold off. Fractionation also occurred because ownership/title was kept clouded by courts systems that would not act on heirship. Part or all of this may have been caused by the Department of Interior/BIA by not working with the courts in our best interest. When you put land on hold for 20, 30, or 40 years, chances are that another whole generation has passed on. People cannot will what is not theirs nor do most people make contingencies that they would gain ownership to something after they die. To add to the picture of this problem, let's not forget that allotments were 80 acres while white people needed 160 acres. Just look at the current day handling of IIM Accounts and the fraud, deceit and lies going on - now imagine what swindling went on 100 years ago when "the only Indian good was a dead Indian." You try to get help from the BIA anywhere. Without deep pockets you may get dizzy from the run-around. There are good people and well intentioned people in there but the whole system is more than flawed and these good people can make little difference. I have said that BIA meant Bury Indian Assets. That pretty well says it. I won't speak for all Indian lands but the land in question would have to be sold or transferred through heirship. The government would have us believe that ownership may be taken by the tribe but this is not only clearly wrong, it is an immoral and corrupt practice. The courts have addressed this and the land people have been working hard ever since to go back and correct the titles that were transferred illegally. Larry Friend (Black Buffalo) niidji@mchsi.com > Most alloted land has become so fragmented because our people didn't make > wills ( the BIA is required to do this for us if we ask) that the tribes > have claimed them. BIA in AShland should be able to help. Bud

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Yes...I have also been curious on this also...my gg grandparents and gg uncles also had land patents in Michigan. Who took over the land after that....doesn't that still stay in the family? Sure would appreciate an answer to this question. Thanks, Paul E. Petosky paul_petosky@yahoo.com anita <kwilliamson@blackfoot.net> wrote: Out of EXTREME curiosity... If there is a land patent in the name of our ancesters ... located on the site sugested... Does that mean the land is still owned by them? Is there anyway of finding out if it was sold or not? Anita ----- Original Message ----- From: "R D Winthrop" To: Sent: Friday, November 26, 2004 2:51 PM Subject: Re: [NISHNAWBE] land patent > Peter wrote on Thu, 25 Nov 2004 : > > >Hi RDW, > > > ... and i can pay you a little for running it down. > > There are times it is appropriate for hiring a researcher, but this > ain't one of 'em (and I'm neither a genealogist nor a land-title ============================== New! OneWorldTree. Building Trees. Connecting Families. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13970/rd.ashx --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Meet the all-new My Yahoo! � Try it today!

Most alloted land has become so fragmented because our people didn't make wills ( the BIA is required to do this for us if we ask) that the tribes have claimed them. BIA in AShland should be able to help. Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: <niidji@mchsi.com> To: <NISHNAWBE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, November 26, 2004 7:37 PM Subject: Re: [NISHNAWBE] land patent > RDW & Peter > > I had sent this info a couple of days ago but did not see it come back to > me and > so you redo it. > > The land is smack dab in the very center of the Rez and in Sawyer County. > The > questions are: Who holds title/rights at this time and how did they obtain > title. > > The main Sawyer County web page: http://sawyercountygov.org/ > > > Maps that show quite clearly where the land is situated are accessible > from: > http://sawyercountygov.org/Maps/SCMain.htm > > Look at all three, I personally have already saved a copy,you should save > these. > > Larry Friend (Black Buffalo) > niidji@mchsi.com >> Peter wrote on Thu, 25 Nov 2004 : >> >> >Hi RDW, >> >> > ... and i can pay you a little for running it down. >> >> There are times it is appropriate for hiring a researcher, but this >> ain't one of 'em (and I'm neither a genealogist nor a land-title >> expert so it wouldn't be me in any case ... ) >> >> Moving right along ... >> >> Peter, if you have a computer online at home you can probably do your >> own research, most of it literally as "homework" ... if you don't >> have one at home, get thee to your public library where you will find >> both internet terminals for public use AND the (free) services of a >> professional researcher = never underestimate the importance of a good >> Public Librarian who can develop a strategy to find the information >> you seek, and show you the tools to do it with. >> >> First thing is to precisely locate the land as described on the range >> / township description -- once you've got that you can locate very >> easily on modern [ a De Lorme state atlas, a map of the County or > >> Reserve, county plat map, etc.] >> >> Summary of range/township survey system : >> http://www.glorecords.blm.gov/Visitors/PLSS.asp >> >> Libraries often have plat maps, often in 19th century atlas with range >> / twp data clearly shown. >> >> And you can get 1915 plats of Sawyer County here : >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~wisawyer/1915plat.htm >> >> Once you're sure you can locate the parcel properly, go to the >> jurisdiction(s) in which it rests -- Sawyer County and/or the Lac >> Court Oreilles reserve are going to have histories of who owned / paid >> taxes on every parcel in their domain, but only in their original form >> = you have to go to them. Call first and identify the property to >> them, etc. >> >> I found no patent for that parcel at Bureau of Land Management site : >> http://www.glorecords.blm.gov/ >> which isn't a surprise, given it was an allotment and not a sale or >> grant. People researching land records need to know, however, that one >> can search backwards from a rang / township location using BLM's > >> "Standard" search (state level) page -- you don't need or have to rely >> on surnames. >> >> --- >> >> You probably do want to look for more than allotments -- records of >> annuity payments and tribal census / rolls, if they exist, may be >> available from State of Wisconsin libraries / archives, or from a >> research library (UW or State Historical Society, for instance), >> and/or Great Lakes Regional or National Archives. You're going to have >> to search several depositories. Do separate searches for tribe / band >> name(s), treaty / annuity / allotment dates, etc. = you should have >> all that data at hand along with the land location to find >> genealogical data, search census records. >> >> Again, a Good Librarian can tune you in on the right search terms and >> devices. Come back here if you're still having trouble; try to make >> questions as specific as possible. >> >> regards - rdw >> >> >> >> ============================== >> Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > >> areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. >> Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx >> > > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.799 / Virus Database: 543 - Release Date: 11/19/2004

RDW & Peter I had sent this info a couple of days ago but did not see it come back to me and so you redo it. The land is smack dab in the very center of the Rez and in Sawyer County. The questions are: Who holds title/rights at this time and how did they obtain title. The main Sawyer County web page: http://sawyercountygov.org/ Maps that show quite clearly where the land is situated are accessible from: http://sawyercountygov.org/Maps/SCMain.htm Look at all three, I personally have already saved a copy,you should save these. Larry Friend (Black Buffalo) niidji@mchsi.com > Peter wrote on Thu, 25 Nov 2004 : > > >Hi RDW, > > > ... and i can pay you a little for running it down. > > There are times it is appropriate for hiring a researcher, but this > ain't one of 'em (and I'm neither a genealogist nor a land-title > expert so it wouldn't be me in any case ... ) > > Moving right along ... > > Peter, if you have a computer online at home you can probably do your > own research, most of it literally as "homework" ... if you don't > have one at home, get thee to your public library where you will find > both internet terminals for public use AND the (free) services of a > professional researcher = never underestimate the importance of a good > Public Librarian who can develop a strategy to find the information > you seek, and show you the tools to do it with. > > First thing is to precisely locate the land as described on the range > / township description -- once you've got that you can locate very > easily on modern [ a De Lorme state atlas, a map of the County or > Reserve, county plat map, etc.] > > Summary of range/township survey system : > http://www.glorecords.blm.gov/Visitors/PLSS.asp > > Libraries often have plat maps, often in 19th century atlas with range > / twp data clearly shown. > > And you can get 1915 plats of Sawyer County here : > http://www.rootsweb.com/~wisawyer/1915plat.htm > > Once you're sure you can locate the parcel properly, go to the > jurisdiction(s) in which it rests -- Sawyer County and/or the Lac > Court Oreilles reserve are going to have histories of who owned / paid > taxes on every parcel in their domain, but only in their original form > = you have to go to them. Call first and identify the property to > them, etc. > > I found no patent for that parcel at Bureau of Land Management site : > http://www.glorecords.blm.gov/ > which isn't a surprise, given it was an allotment and not a sale or > grant. People researching land records need to know, however, that one > can search backwards from a rang / township location using BLM's > "Standard" search (state level) page -- you don't need or have to rely > on surnames. > > --- > > You probably do want to look for more than allotments -- records of > annuity payments and tribal census / rolls, if they exist, may be > available from State of Wisconsin libraries / archives, or from a > research library (UW or State Historical Society, for instance), > and/or Great Lakes Regional or National Archives. You're going to have > to search several depositories. Do separate searches for tribe / band > name(s), treaty / annuity / allotment dates, etc. = you should have > all that data at hand along with the land location to find > genealogical data, search census records. > > Again, a Good Librarian can tune you in on the right search terms and > devices. Come back here if you're still having trouble; try to make > questions as specific as possible. > > regards - rdw > > > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx >

Out of EXTREME curiosity... If there is a land patent in the name of our ancesters ... located on the site sugested... Does that mean the land is still owned by them? Is there anyway of finding out if it was sold or not? Anita ----- Original Message ----- From: "R D Winthrop" <RDWinthrop@a1access.net> To: <NISHNAWBE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, November 26, 2004 2:51 PM Subject: Re: [NISHNAWBE] land patent > Peter wrote on Thu, 25 Nov 2004 : > > >Hi RDW, > > > ... and i can pay you a little for running it down. > > There are times it is appropriate for hiring a researcher, but this > ain't one of 'em (and I'm neither a genealogist nor a land-title

Peter wrote on Thu, 25 Nov 2004 : >Hi RDW, > ... and i can pay you a little for running it down. There are times it is appropriate for hiring a researcher, but this ain't one of 'em (and I'm neither a genealogist nor a land-title expert so it wouldn't be me in any case ... ) Moving right along ... Peter, if you have a computer online at home you can probably do your own research, most of it literally as "homework" ... if you don't have one at home, get thee to your public library where you will find both internet terminals for public use AND the (free) services of a professional researcher = never underestimate the importance of a good Public Librarian who can develop a strategy to find the information you seek, and show you the tools to do it with. First thing is to precisely locate the land as described on the range / township description -- once you've got that you can locate very easily on modern [ a De Lorme state atlas, a map of the County or Reserve, county plat map, etc.] Summary of range/township survey system : http://www.glorecords.blm.gov/Visitors/PLSS.asp Libraries often have plat maps, often in 19th century atlas with range / twp data clearly shown. And you can get 1915 plats of Sawyer County here : http://www.rootsweb.com/~wisawyer/1915plat.htm Once you're sure you can locate the parcel properly, go to the jurisdiction(s) in which it rests -- Sawyer County and/or the Lac Court Oreilles reserve are going to have histories of who owned / paid taxes on every parcel in their domain, but only in their original form = you have to go to them. Call first and identify the property to them, etc. I found no patent for that parcel at Bureau of Land Management site : http://www.glorecords.blm.gov/ which isn't a surprise, given it was an allotment and not a sale or grant. People researching land records need to know, however, that one can search backwards from a rang / township location using BLM's "Standard" search (state level) page -- you don't need or have to rely on surnames. --- You probably do want to look for more than allotments -- records of annuity payments and tribal census / rolls, if they exist, may be available from State of Wisconsin libraries / archives, or from a research library (UW or State Historical Society, for instance), and/or Great Lakes Regional or National Archives. You're going to have to search several depositories. Do separate searches for tribe / band name(s), treaty / annuity / allotment dates, etc. = you should have all that data at hand along with the land location to find genealogical data, search census records. Again, a Good Librarian can tune you in on the right search terms and devices. Come back here if you're still having trouble; try to make questions as specific as possible. regards - rdw

It will take me some time....let me try over weekend....

Peter Land records are mostly very basic and are void of family tree type info. The records I found are a list of those accepted for allottment, a legal description of the land and that is all. About the only family info involved with land records is heirship. Wills and probates are so valuable to genealogical researchers as relationships are detailed, from a legal standpoint, and even parentage, as well as other relatives may be included. Each will and probate is unique. Larry Friend (Black Buffalo) niidji@mchsi.com > Hi larry, > Yes we did check for Revi aka Revoir, Revore > and nothing was found at BIA Ashland. When you > extracted land info Paul Revoir,aka Revi at Nat'l > Archives > Regional Chicago did you find his wife Harriet, > and children too? > Is this in any way similiar to your ancestors > land allotments heir'd to who and how? > I will contact sawyer county for help. > thankyou very much, > peter > --- niidji@mchsi.com wrote: > > > Peter > > > > west side of N should have been west side of NN. > > > > Larry Friend (Black Buffalo) > > niidji@mchsi.com (new address) > > > Peter > > > > > > The land info was extracted from records at the > > National Archives Regional > > > Archives, Chicago. The land is/was part of the LCO > > Rez and is situated in Sawyer > > > County. County offices are at Hayward. > > > > > > Pull up these on the internet: > > > http://sawyercountygov.org/ > > > --- Main page for Sawyer County > > > > > > http://sawyercountygov.org/Maps/SawyerCountyTownship%20Map.htm > > > - Map of Sawyer Township, property is in Couderay > > Township > > > http://sawyercountygov.org/Maps/Sawyer1.htm > > > --- Overview of Sawyer > > > http://sawyercountygov.org/Maps/sawyer.pdf > > > --- This is the map that shows the township and > > range info. It is a pdf file > > > --- and I would download and save it > > and then use free Adobe > > > Acrobat reader to --- view it. > > > > > > The location of the land is One mile north of the > > junction of county roads N and > > > NN. It is on the the west side of N and then > > continues 1/4 mile further. It goes > > > from N west for 1/2 mile. > > > > > > As the the crow flies it is 2-1/2 to 3 miles > > directly east of LCO Tribal > > > > > Headquarters. This is Rez land. As a matter of > > fact, almost dead center on the > > > Rez. The question is who holds title today and how > > did they get it! > > > > > > You need to check with Sawyer County and see if > > any portion is on tax rolls, are > > > there any improvements, etc. > > > > > > Anytime you check with the BIA you must check all > > possible spellings. My papers > > > are in Hibbing yet but I am sure you should have > > searched for Revoir and not > > > Revi. > > > > > > Larry Friend (Black Buffalo) > > > niidji@mchsi.com (new address) > > > > Hi Honestind, > > > > > > > > Have you or anybody seen or copied this kind of > > > > allotments? > > > > Where can i get this allotment for Paul Revi # > > 30 > > > > on the list? I've been to BIA ashland and they > > have > > > > no record of any Revi's. To all nishnawbe-L > > anybody > > > > link to Revi's, aka Revoir, Revore ? > > > > thankyou, > > > > peter > > > > --- Honestind@aol.com wrote: > > > > > > > > > from what I know, of reading this kind of > > thing, I > > > > > believe he was no 30 on > > > > > the allot ment list. The area of land was > > South 1/2 > > > > > (acre maybe), NE 1/4 Sec > > > > > 2 Twsp (is township) probably # 39 in Range 8 > > which > > > > > amounts to 80 acres. It > > > > > explains where the land is located; much like > > a > > > > > deed. You would have to > > > > > check with the Country Recorder where it was > > > > > located. > > > > > > > > > > Good luck > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > > > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 > > million > > > > > records added in the > > > > > last 12 months. Largest online collection in > > the > > > > > world. 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Ode to Thanksgiving by Lynda "Spiritdove" Imburgia The Pilgrims came sick and weak, exhausted from the ride they landed in a foreign land already occupied The people of the land came forth and shared of all they had they made the Pilgrims well again so everyone was glad Thanksgiving I was always taught was about that selfless sharing from the Indians to the Pilgrims as a sacred way of caring But I grew up and learned of truths otherwise left blind of how the white man stole the land and got the treaties signed How Indians were shoved aside and trampled in the wake of thousands more white people who desired land to take Their deep traditions and beliefs considered to be odd these people of the forest who had always walked with God. I learned the truth from knowing them apart from lies and books and discovered Indian blood in my veins and in my looks I cherish them who showed the stranger hospitality and love they hold a cherished place in this one's heart, signed Spiritdove.