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Hello, I was wondering if anyone had information regarding the Duck family in the 1880 Census for Munising, MI. Could it be possible that Duck is a yet another variation of Laduke type names? I am only asking because I am told that my family had Laduke relatives in Munising, MI. Before 1900's there doesn't seem to be any listed. Unless I am looking in the wrong spots. Peter Duck is a trapper abt. 60 living with Louis 30, and Joseph abt. 5. I am looking for Laduke ancestors to fill the missing holes of the family tree. Peter aka Joseph Laduke born abt. 1848-1852. Married 1 unknown of that union a daughter named Nettie resulted thought to be born abt. 1879 from a 1900 census listing. Peter than married 2. Selena nee Sheff Charboneau- can't find marriage record. Selena was at a Catholic Hospital from 1886 until about 1890 Detroit. From 1890 to 1900 Peter traveled all over selling fishing twine to fishermen. I have been told a move from Munising, MI to Grand Marias, MI took place was done by a horse and sled. My great-grandmother as a child had to walk along side at times. I am a little stuck at finding more about this family. Peter is said to have died at a Hospital in Detroit, MI. He used many variations of the Laduke name he could not read or write. 1900 Census Peter Laduque, 1910 Joseph Laduke, can't find him in 1920, Peter Leduke in 1930 living with his daughter's family. A short bio of him listed in a book used the Laduc spelling. I welcome corrections or advise on where I might look next. Thank you. I had found a Peter LaDuke died Sept. 11, 1939 Michigan. Father: Austin Laduke Mother: Catherine Pelka Sincerely, Jo

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Has anyone come across any information on/about Chief Minweweh aka Le Grand Sauteux, of Mackinac Island? By 1760 he had established himself as War Chief of the Ojibwas in the northern Michigan territory. Tom Cuthbert >From: "Thomas Cuthbert" <imtomcuthbert@hotmail.com> >Reply-To: NISHNAWBE-L@rootsweb.com >To: NISHNAWBE-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: RE: [NISHNAWBE] Marquette University - records >Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 13:41:15 -0800 > >To Anyone Visiting this site: > >The amount of information is overwhelming! Has anyone figured out how to >navigate through this site for information on specific individuals or >anything of genealogical value? For example, schools that were located on >specific reservations, and the students enrolled? > >Thanks, > >Tom Cuthbert > > > >>From: "Larry F. Friend" <niidji@mchsi.com> >>Reply-To: NISHNAWBE-L@rootsweb.com >>To: NISHNAWBE-L@rootsweb.com >>Subject: [NISHNAWBE] Marquette University - records >>Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 11:10:32 -0600 >> >>Michael >> >>I had to step back to >>http://www.marquette.edu/library/collections/archives/ and then click on >>"Native America Collections" which brought me to >>http://www.marquette.edu/library/collections/archives/indians.html >> >>Larry Friend (Black Buffalo) >>niidji@mchsi.com >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Michael Zerby [mailto:m.zerby@sbcglobal.net] >>Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2005 8:45 AM >>To: NISHNAWBE-L@rootsweb.com >>Subject: [NISHNAWBE] Re: NISHNAWBE-D Digest V05 #20 >> >> >>Came across this site the other day, not exactly convienient to go there >>but looks like a great list of resources for those with anishnabe >>ancestry. Site is basiclly an index but should point people in the right >>direction. Lots of catholic relate records listed across the country. >>Migwich, Mike Z >>http://www.marquette.edu/library/collections/archives/nativeguide/mguide >>-index-I-R.html >> >>NISHNAWBE-D-request@rootsweb.com wrote: >> >> >> > ATTACHMENT part 1 message/rfc822 >> >>NISHNAWBE-D Digest Volume 05 : Issue 20 >> >>Today's Topics: >>#1 Re: [NISHNAWBE] joseph bourassa ["Anita Nelson" #2 Re: [NISHNAWBE] >>joseph bourassa ["Joan Soullier" #3 BOURASSA ["Joan Soullier" #4 Re: >>[NISHNAWBE] joseph bourassa ["Cobban" ] >> >>Administrivia: >>To unsubscribe from NISHNAWBE-D, send a message to >> >>NISHNAWBE-D-request@rootsweb.com >> >>that contains in the body of the message the command >> >>unsubscribe >> >>and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software >>requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. >> >> >> >>______________________________ >> >> > ATTACHMENT part 2 message/rfc822 >>Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 10:12:48 -0500 >>From: "Anita Nelson" >>To: NISHNAWBE-L@rootsweb.com >>Subject: Re: [NISHNAWBE] joseph bourassa >> >>In addition, I found marriages for the following Bourassa's: Marquette >>Co. Michigan Catholic Church Records. St. John's (The French Church). I >>think this listing is published but if you cannot find it, I will do >>look ups. >> >>* Napoleon Bourassa, age 25, b. Canada, Occ: Brakeman, no parents listed >>to Marie Laviolette, age 17, b. Canada no parents listed. 03 Nov. 1886. >> >>* Louise Bourassa, age 16, b. Canada no parents listed to Bernard >>Gibeau, age 21, b. Canada >>Occ: Brakeman. 23 Nov. 1886. >> >>* Cemelida Bourassa, age 19, b. Canada, no parents listed to Antoine >>Lalonde, 33, b. Canada, no parents listed. 24 July 1875. >> >>* Frank Bourassa, age 24, b. Canada, Occ. Laborer, no parents listed to >>R-Anna Payette, age 15 1/2, b. Dead River. 08 June 1881. (Note by Anita, >>my sister lived by the Dead River in Marquette so I would assume that is >>where Dead River is) North Marquette. >> >>Note: A genealogist nightmare, no parents listed, but they may be on the >>actual church record. This church has been torn down. It was where all >>my family were baptized and where my parents and grandparents married, >>if any of these people belong to you, contact me for where they may be >>housed. >> >>Note: Since my people were part of the Drummond Island, Penetanguishene >>Group, I am quite sure that some of these people came from there also. >>My great grandmother's sister married Etienne Laviolette. She had nieces >>by the name of Tillie and Josephine, and nephew Joseph that I found so >>far. He was in the Spainish-American War. One of the girl's married >>Stuart......written on back of picture. >> >>Anita "Bibeau" Nelson >> >>PS: Joan Soullier, are you the person who use to correspond with me two >>decades ago? >> >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Joan Soullier" >>To: >>Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 3:51 PM >>Subject: [NISHNAWBE] joseph bourassa >> >> >> > i have a news letter about the bourassa family, from the Fulton county >>historical society, Rochester,ind, sept 1996, a lot of info on this >>family, also joseph napoleon bourassa , joseph went west in 1837 with >>chief-kee-wau-nay[for whom the village of kewanna is named] , this >>letter was in sept 18 1996 Rochester, ind. >> > >> > >> > ============================== >> > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. >> > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: >>http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx >> > >> > >> >>______________________________ >> >> > ATTACHMENT part 3 message/rfc822 >>Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 13:32:31 -0800 >>From: "Joan Soullier" >>To: NISHNAWBE-L@rootsweb.com >>Subject: Re: [NISHNAWBE] joseph bourassa >> >>Anita, it may very well be, what other family names you looking for ?the >>Bourassa family on my side i think are indian, trying to put it all >>together, my Bourassa married into the Chevaliers, and frances >>Alovoines. i will send some info on this paper i have,of joseph >>bourassa, later. >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Anita Nelson" >>To: >>Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2005 7:12 AM >>Subject: Re: [NISHNAWBE] joseph bourassa >> >> >> > In addition, I found marriages for the following Bourassa's: Marquette >>Co. >> > Michigan Catholic Church Records. St. John's (The French Church). I >>think >> > this listing is published but if you cannot find it, I will do look >> > ups. >> > >> > * Napoleon Bourassa, age 25, b. Canada, Occ: Brakeman, no parents >> > listed >>to >> > Marie Laviolette, age 17, b. Canada no parents listed. 03 Nov. 1886. >> > >> > * Louise Bourassa, age 16, b. Canada no parents listed to Bernard >> > Gibeau, age 21, b. Canada >> > Occ: Brakeman. 23 Nov. 1886. >> > >> > * Cemelida Bourassa, age 19, b. Canada, no parents listed to Antoine >> > Lalonde, 33, b. Canada, no parents listed. 24 July 1875. >> > >> > * Frank Bourassa, age 24, b. Canada, Occ. Laborer, no parents listed >> > to R-Anna Payette, age 15 1/2, b. Dead River. 08 June 1881. (Note by >> > Anita, my sister lived by the Dead River in Marquette so I >>would >> > assume that is where Dead River is) North Marquette. >> > >> > Note: A genealogist nightmare, no parents listed, but they may be on >> > the actual church record. This church has been torn down. It was where >> >> > all >>my >> > family were baptized and where my parents and grandparents married, if >>any >> > of these people belong to you, contact me for where they may be >> > housed. >> > >> > Note: Since my people were part of the Drummond Island, >> > Penetanguishene Group, I am quite sure that some of these people came >> > from there also. >>My >> > great grandmother's sister married Etienne Laviolette. She had nieces >>by >> > the name of Tillie and Josephine, and nephew Joseph that I found so >> > far. >>He >> > was in the Spainish-American War. One of the girl's married >> > Stuart......written on back of picture. >> > >> > Anita "Bibeau" Nelson >> > >> > PS: Joan Soullier, are you the person who use to correspond with me >> > two decades ago? >> > >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "Joan Soullier" >> > To: >> > Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 3:51 PM >> > Subject: [NISHNAWBE] joseph bourassa >> > >> > >> > > i have a news letter about the bourassa family, from the Fulton >> > > county >> > historical society, Rochester,ind, sept 1996, a lot of info on this >>family, >> > also joseph napoleon bourassa , joseph went west in 1837 with >> > chief-kee-wau-nay[for whom the village of kewanna is named] , this >> > letter was in sept 18 1996 Rochester, ind. >> > > >> > > >> > > ============================== >> > > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. >> > > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: >> > http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > ============================== >> > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the >> >> > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: >>http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >> > >> > >> >>______________________________ >> >> > ATTACHMENT part 4 message/rfc822 >>Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 14:13:55 -0800 >>From: "Joan Soullier" >>To: NISHNAWBE-L@rootsweb.com >>Subject: BOURASSA >> >>joseph n Bourassa , his parents were fur traders . part french and part >>potawatomi,, joseph went west 1837 with chief kee wau nay,in the group >>led by george Proffit. his parents and family incuding his little >>brother daniel went west on the trail of death in 1838,his brother jude >>went west in 1840. in 1826 joseph n bourassa and jude accompanied rev. >>issac mc coy from niles mich. to hamilton,new york,where they attended >>the baptist theological institution in 1831-32 they attended choctaw >>academy at white sulphur springs kentucky. there they took part in the >>debating sociery and the lycurgus court. and learned to handle conflict >>according to white mans law, this served them well as leaders of the >>potawatomi when they lived in kansas. joseph n bourassa led a group of >>potawatomi who proved the white trader joseph clymer jr and the indian >>agent anthony l davis, were cheating and got them fired by the >>goverment, this was an unusual accomplishment, because most whites were >>never re! primanded.joseph bourassa seved as tribal interpreter for many >>years and was prominent in tribal affairs, jude was an inn kepper,became >>wealthy and had the first piano in kansas,according to letters of >>william h hutter,first gov, of kansas in 1854 hutter was impressed with >>judes comfortable house, fine furniture and delicious food,judes >>daughters played the piano to entertain guests at the inn.joseph >>bourassa was sketiched by george winter, both as an individual portrait >>and in the treaty scene at lake kee-wau-nay in fulton county, he was >>interviewed by dr lyman draper, whose collection of 5000 note books are >>in the university of wisc. joseph bourassa was the oldest son of daniel >>II. he died in 1877 and is buried at willard,kansas, more later. hope >>this helps. >> >>______________________________ >> >> > ATTACHMENT part 5 message/rfc822 >>Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 15:56:07 -0900 >>From: "Cobban" >>To: NISHNAWBE-L@rootsweb.com >>Subject: Re: [NISHNAWBE] joseph bourassa >> >>Would you look for Antoine Morisseau b 1772? Can't find the registration >> >>anywhere, thanks, Dodi >>. >> > Michigan Catholic Church Records. St. John's (The French Church). I >> > think >> > this listing is published but if you cannot find it, I will do look >>ups. >> > >> >> >>============================== >>Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. >>Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: >>http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx >> >> >>============================== >>Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the >>areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. >>Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx >> > >_________________________________________________________________ >Don’t just search. Find. 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To Anyone Visiting this site: The amount of information is overwhelming! Has anyone figured out how to navigate through this site for information on specific individuals or anything of genealogical value? For example, schools that were located on specific reservations, and the students enrolled? Thanks, Tom Cuthbert >From: "Larry F. Friend" <niidji@mchsi.com> >Reply-To: NISHNAWBE-L@rootsweb.com >To: NISHNAWBE-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [NISHNAWBE] Marquette University - records >Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 11:10:32 -0600 > >Michael > >I had to step back to >http://www.marquette.edu/library/collections/archives/ and then click on >"Native America Collections" which brought me to >http://www.marquette.edu/library/collections/archives/indians.html > >Larry Friend (Black Buffalo) >niidji@mchsi.com > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Michael Zerby [mailto:m.zerby@sbcglobal.net] >Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2005 8:45 AM >To: NISHNAWBE-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [NISHNAWBE] Re: NISHNAWBE-D Digest V05 #20 > > >Came across this site the other day, not exactly convienient to go there >but looks like a great list of resources for those with anishnabe >ancestry. Site is basiclly an index but should point people in the right >direction. Lots of catholic relate records listed across the country. >Migwich, Mike Z >http://www.marquette.edu/library/collections/archives/nativeguide/mguide >-index-I-R.html > >NISHNAWBE-D-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > > > ATTACHMENT part 1 message/rfc822 > >NISHNAWBE-D Digest Volume 05 : Issue 20 > >Today's Topics: >#1 Re: [NISHNAWBE] joseph bourassa ["Anita Nelson" #2 Re: [NISHNAWBE] >joseph bourassa ["Joan Soullier" #3 BOURASSA ["Joan Soullier" #4 Re: >[NISHNAWBE] joseph bourassa ["Cobban" ] > >Administrivia: >To unsubscribe from NISHNAWBE-D, send a message to > >NISHNAWBE-D-request@rootsweb.com > >that contains in the body of the message the command > >unsubscribe > >and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software >requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. > > > >______________________________ > > > ATTACHMENT part 2 message/rfc822 >Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 10:12:48 -0500 >From: "Anita Nelson" >To: NISHNAWBE-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [NISHNAWBE] joseph bourassa > >In addition, I found marriages for the following Bourassa's: Marquette >Co. Michigan Catholic Church Records. St. John's (The French Church). I >think this listing is published but if you cannot find it, I will do >look ups. > >* Napoleon Bourassa, age 25, b. Canada, Occ: Brakeman, no parents listed >to Marie Laviolette, age 17, b. Canada no parents listed. 03 Nov. 1886. > >* Louise Bourassa, age 16, b. Canada no parents listed to Bernard >Gibeau, age 21, b. Canada >Occ: Brakeman. 23 Nov. 1886. > >* Cemelida Bourassa, age 19, b. Canada, no parents listed to Antoine >Lalonde, 33, b. Canada, no parents listed. 24 July 1875. > >* Frank Bourassa, age 24, b. Canada, Occ. Laborer, no parents listed to >R-Anna Payette, age 15 1/2, b. Dead River. 08 June 1881. (Note by Anita, >my sister lived by the Dead River in Marquette so I would assume that is >where Dead River is) North Marquette. > >Note: A genealogist nightmare, no parents listed, but they may be on the >actual church record. This church has been torn down. It was where all >my family were baptized and where my parents and grandparents married, >if any of these people belong to you, contact me for where they may be >housed. > >Note: Since my people were part of the Drummond Island, Penetanguishene >Group, I am quite sure that some of these people came from there also. >My great grandmother's sister married Etienne Laviolette. She had nieces >by the name of Tillie and Josephine, and nephew Joseph that I found so >far. He was in the Spainish-American War. One of the girl's married >Stuart......written on back of picture. > >Anita "Bibeau" Nelson > >PS: Joan Soullier, are you the person who use to correspond with me two >decades ago? > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Joan Soullier" >To: >Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 3:51 PM >Subject: [NISHNAWBE] joseph bourassa > > > > i have a news letter about the bourassa family, from the Fulton county >historical society, Rochester,ind, sept 1996, a lot of info on this >family, also joseph napoleon bourassa , joseph went west in 1837 with >chief-kee-wau-nay[for whom the village of kewanna is named] , this >letter was in sept 18 1996 Rochester, ind. > > > > > > ============================== > > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: >http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > > > > > >______________________________ > > > ATTACHMENT part 3 message/rfc822 >Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 13:32:31 -0800 >From: "Joan Soullier" >To: NISHNAWBE-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [NISHNAWBE] joseph bourassa > >Anita, it may very well be, what other family names you looking for ?the >Bourassa family on my side i think are indian, trying to put it all >together, my Bourassa married into the Chevaliers, and frances >Alovoines. i will send some info on this paper i have,of joseph >bourassa, later. >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Anita Nelson" >To: >Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2005 7:12 AM >Subject: Re: [NISHNAWBE] joseph bourassa > > > > In addition, I found marriages for the following Bourassa's: Marquette >Co. > > Michigan Catholic Church Records. St. John's (The French Church). I >think > > this listing is published but if you cannot find it, I will do look > > ups. > > > > * Napoleon Bourassa, age 25, b. Canada, Occ: Brakeman, no parents > > listed >to > > Marie Laviolette, age 17, b. Canada no parents listed. 03 Nov. 1886. > > > > * Louise Bourassa, age 16, b. Canada no parents listed to Bernard > > Gibeau, age 21, b. Canada > > Occ: Brakeman. 23 Nov. 1886. > > > > * Cemelida Bourassa, age 19, b. Canada, no parents listed to Antoine > > Lalonde, 33, b. Canada, no parents listed. 24 July 1875. > > > > * Frank Bourassa, age 24, b. Canada, Occ. Laborer, no parents listed > > to R-Anna Payette, age 15 1/2, b. Dead River. 08 June 1881. (Note by > > Anita, my sister lived by the Dead River in Marquette so I >would > > assume that is where Dead River is) North Marquette. > > > > Note: A genealogist nightmare, no parents listed, but they may be on > > the actual church record. This church has been torn down. It was where > > > all >my > > family were baptized and where my parents and grandparents married, if >any > > of these people belong to you, contact me for where they may be > > housed. > > > > Note: Since my people were part of the Drummond Island, > > Penetanguishene Group, I am quite sure that some of these people came > > from there also. >My > > great grandmother's sister married Etienne Laviolette. She had nieces >by > > the name of Tillie and Josephine, and nephew Joseph that I found so > > far. >He > > was in the Spainish-American War. One of the girl's married > > Stuart......written on back of picture. > > > > Anita "Bibeau" Nelson > > > > PS: Joan Soullier, are you the person who use to correspond with me > > two decades ago? > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Joan Soullier" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 3:51 PM > > Subject: [NISHNAWBE] joseph bourassa > > > > > > > i have a news letter about the bourassa family, from the Fulton > > > county > > historical society, Rochester,ind, sept 1996, a lot of info on this >family, > > also joseph napoleon bourassa , joseph went west in 1837 with > > chief-kee-wau-nay[for whom the village of kewanna is named] , this > > letter was in sept 18 1996 Rochester, ind. > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > > > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: > > http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > > > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: >http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > > > > >______________________________ > > > ATTACHMENT part 4 message/rfc822 >Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 14:13:55 -0800 >From: "Joan Soullier" >To: NISHNAWBE-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: BOURASSA > >joseph n Bourassa , his parents were fur traders . part french and part >potawatomi,, joseph went west 1837 with chief kee wau nay,in the group >led by george Proffit. his parents and family incuding his little >brother daniel went west on the trail of death in 1838,his brother jude >went west in 1840. in 1826 joseph n bourassa and jude accompanied rev. >issac mc coy from niles mich. to hamilton,new york,where they attended >the baptist theological institution in 1831-32 they attended choctaw >academy at white sulphur springs kentucky. there they took part in the >debating sociery and the lycurgus court. and learned to handle conflict >according to white mans law, this served them well as leaders of the >potawatomi when they lived in kansas. joseph n bourassa led a group of >potawatomi who proved the white trader joseph clymer jr and the indian >agent anthony l davis, were cheating and got them fired by the >goverment, this was an unusual accomplishment, because most whites were >never re! primanded.joseph bourassa seved as tribal interpreter for many >years and was prominent in tribal affairs, jude was an inn kepper,became >wealthy and had the first piano in kansas,according to letters of >william h hutter,first gov, of kansas in 1854 hutter was impressed with >judes comfortable house, fine furniture and delicious food,judes >daughters played the piano to entertain guests at the inn.joseph >bourassa was sketiched by george winter, both as an individual portrait >and in the treaty scene at lake kee-wau-nay in fulton county, he was >interviewed by dr lyman draper, whose collection of 5000 note books are >in the university of wisc. joseph bourassa was the oldest son of daniel >II. he died in 1877 and is buried at willard,kansas, more later. hope >this helps. > >______________________________ > > > ATTACHMENT part 5 message/rfc822 >Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 15:56:07 -0900 >From: "Cobban" >To: NISHNAWBE-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [NISHNAWBE] joseph bourassa > >Would you look for Antoine Morisseau b 1772? Can't find the registration > >anywhere, thanks, Dodi >. > > Michigan Catholic Church Records. St. John's (The French Church). I > > think > > this listing is published but if you cannot find it, I will do look >ups. > > > > >============================== >Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. >Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: >http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > > >============================== >Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the >areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. >Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > _________________________________________________________________ Don’t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/

Hi; I would be most grateful for any assistance with the ancestry of Michel Boyer b. abt 1806 married to Angelique LaCharite b. abt 1816. Michel had brothers Joseph b1821, Charles b1808, Pierre b1820, Jean Baptiste b1807. Michel was born at Fort Lac La Pluie, Rainey Lake, Northwest Territories. He died November 22, 1895 at Garden River, Ontario. Thanks Mark Biles

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Michael I had to step back to http://www.marquette.edu/library/collections/archives/ and then click on "Native America Collections" which brought me to http://www.marquette.edu/library/collections/archives/indians.html Larry Friend (Black Buffalo) niidji@mchsi.com -----Original Message----- From: Michael Zerby [mailto:m.zerby@sbcglobal.net] Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2005 8:45 AM To: NISHNAWBE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [NISHNAWBE] Re: NISHNAWBE-D Digest V05 #20 Came across this site the other day, not exactly convienient to go there but looks like a great list of resources for those with anishnabe ancestry. Site is basiclly an index but should point people in the right direction. Lots of catholic relate records listed across the country. Migwich, Mike Z http://www.marquette.edu/library/collections/archives/nativeguide/mguide -index-I-R.html NISHNAWBE-D-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > ATTACHMENT part 1 message/rfc822 NISHNAWBE-D Digest Volume 05 : Issue 20 Today's Topics: #1 Re: [NISHNAWBE] joseph bourassa ["Anita Nelson" #2 Re: [NISHNAWBE] joseph bourassa ["Joan Soullier" #3 BOURASSA ["Joan Soullier" #4 Re: [NISHNAWBE] joseph bourassa ["Cobban" ] Administrivia: To unsubscribe from NISHNAWBE-D, send a message to NISHNAWBE-D-request@rootsweb.com that contains in the body of the message the command unsubscribe and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. ______________________________ > ATTACHMENT part 2 message/rfc822 Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 10:12:48 -0500 From: "Anita Nelson" To: NISHNAWBE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NISHNAWBE] joseph bourassa In addition, I found marriages for the following Bourassa's: Marquette Co. Michigan Catholic Church Records. St. John's (The French Church). I think this listing is published but if you cannot find it, I will do look ups. * Napoleon Bourassa, age 25, b. Canada, Occ: Brakeman, no parents listed to Marie Laviolette, age 17, b. Canada no parents listed. 03 Nov. 1886. * Louise Bourassa, age 16, b. Canada no parents listed to Bernard Gibeau, age 21, b. Canada Occ: Brakeman. 23 Nov. 1886. * Cemelida Bourassa, age 19, b. Canada, no parents listed to Antoine Lalonde, 33, b. Canada, no parents listed. 24 July 1875. * Frank Bourassa, age 24, b. Canada, Occ. Laborer, no parents listed to R-Anna Payette, age 15 1/2, b. Dead River. 08 June 1881. (Note by Anita, my sister lived by the Dead River in Marquette so I would assume that is where Dead River is) North Marquette. Note: A genealogist nightmare, no parents listed, but they may be on the actual church record. This church has been torn down. It was where all my family were baptized and where my parents and grandparents married, if any of these people belong to you, contact me for where they may be housed. Note: Since my people were part of the Drummond Island, Penetanguishene Group, I am quite sure that some of these people came from there also. My great grandmother's sister married Etienne Laviolette. She had nieces by the name of Tillie and Josephine, and nephew Joseph that I found so far. He was in the Spainish-American War. One of the girl's married Stuart......written on back of picture. Anita "Bibeau" Nelson PS: Joan Soullier, are you the person who use to correspond with me two decades ago? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joan Soullier" To: Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 3:51 PM Subject: [NISHNAWBE] joseph bourassa > i have a news letter about the bourassa family, from the Fulton county historical society, Rochester,ind, sept 1996, a lot of info on this family, also joseph napoleon bourassa , joseph went west in 1837 with chief-kee-wau-nay[for whom the village of kewanna is named] , this letter was in sept 18 1996 Rochester, ind. > > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > > ______________________________ > ATTACHMENT part 3 message/rfc822 Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 13:32:31 -0800 From: "Joan Soullier" To: NISHNAWBE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NISHNAWBE] joseph bourassa Anita, it may very well be, what other family names you looking for ?the Bourassa family on my side i think are indian, trying to put it all together, my Bourassa married into the Chevaliers, and frances Alovoines. i will send some info on this paper i have,of joseph bourassa, later. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anita Nelson" To: Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2005 7:12 AM Subject: Re: [NISHNAWBE] joseph bourassa > In addition, I found marriages for the following Bourassa's: Marquette Co. > Michigan Catholic Church Records. St. John's (The French Church). I think > this listing is published but if you cannot find it, I will do look > ups. > > * Napoleon Bourassa, age 25, b. Canada, Occ: Brakeman, no parents > listed to > Marie Laviolette, age 17, b. Canada no parents listed. 03 Nov. 1886. > > * Louise Bourassa, age 16, b. Canada no parents listed to Bernard > Gibeau, age 21, b. Canada > Occ: Brakeman. 23 Nov. 1886. > > * Cemelida Bourassa, age 19, b. Canada, no parents listed to Antoine > Lalonde, 33, b. Canada, no parents listed. 24 July 1875. > > * Frank Bourassa, age 24, b. Canada, Occ. Laborer, no parents listed > to R-Anna Payette, age 15 1/2, b. Dead River. 08 June 1881. (Note by > Anita, my sister lived by the Dead River in Marquette so I would > assume that is where Dead River is) North Marquette. > > Note: A genealogist nightmare, no parents listed, but they may be on > the actual church record. This church has been torn down. It was where > all my > family were baptized and where my parents and grandparents married, if any > of these people belong to you, contact me for where they may be > housed. > > Note: Since my people were part of the Drummond Island, > Penetanguishene Group, I am quite sure that some of these people came > from there also. My > great grandmother's sister married Etienne Laviolette. She had nieces by > the name of Tillie and Josephine, and nephew Joseph that I found so > far. He > was in the Spainish-American War. One of the girl's married > Stuart......written on back of picture. > > Anita "Bibeau" Nelson > > PS: Joan Soullier, are you the person who use to correspond with me > two decades ago? > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joan Soullier" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 3:51 PM > Subject: [NISHNAWBE] joseph bourassa > > > > i have a news letter about the bourassa family, from the Fulton > > county > historical society, Rochester,ind, sept 1996, a lot of info on this family, > also joseph napoleon bourassa , joseph went west in 1837 with > chief-kee-wau-nay[for whom the village of kewanna is named] , this > letter was in sept 18 1996 Rochester, ind. > > > > > > ============================== > > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > > > > > > > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > ______________________________ > ATTACHMENT part 4 message/rfc822 Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 14:13:55 -0800 From: "Joan Soullier" To: NISHNAWBE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: BOURASSA joseph n Bourassa , his parents were fur traders . part french and part potawatomi,, joseph went west 1837 with chief kee wau nay,in the group led by george Proffit. his parents and family incuding his little brother daniel went west on the trail of death in 1838,his brother jude went west in 1840. in 1826 joseph n bourassa and jude accompanied rev. issac mc coy from niles mich. to hamilton,new york,where they attended the baptist theological institution in 1831-32 they attended choctaw academy at white sulphur springs kentucky. there they took part in the debating sociery and the lycurgus court. and learned to handle conflict according to white mans law, this served them well as leaders of the potawatomi when they lived in kansas. joseph n bourassa led a group of potawatomi who proved the white trader joseph clymer jr and the indian agent anthony l davis, were cheating and got them fired by the goverment, this was an unusual accomplishment, because most whites were never re! primanded.joseph bourassa seved as tribal interpreter for many years and was prominent in tribal affairs, jude was an inn kepper,became wealthy and had the first piano in kansas,according to letters of william h hutter,first gov, of kansas in 1854 hutter was impressed with judes comfortable house, fine furniture and delicious food,judes daughters played the piano to entertain guests at the inn.joseph bourassa was sketiched by george winter, both as an individual portrait and in the treaty scene at lake kee-wau-nay in fulton county, he was interviewed by dr lyman draper, whose collection of 5000 note books are in the university of wisc. joseph bourassa was the oldest son of daniel II. he died in 1877 and is buried at willard,kansas, more later. hope this helps. ______________________________ > ATTACHMENT part 5 message/rfc822 Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 15:56:07 -0900 From: "Cobban" To: NISHNAWBE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NISHNAWBE] joseph bourassa Would you look for Antoine Morisseau b 1772? Can't find the registration anywhere, thanks, Dodi . > Michigan Catholic Church Records. St. John's (The French Church). I > think > this listing is published but if you cannot find it, I will do look ups. > ============================== Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx

I couldn't find the link. Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Zerby" <m.zerby@sbcglobal.net> To: <NISHNAWBE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2005 8:45 AM Subject: [NISHNAWBE] Re: NISHNAWBE-D Digest V05 #20 > Came across this site the other day, not exactly convienient to go there > but looks like a great list of resources for those with anishnabe > ancestry. Site is basiclly an index but should point people in the right > direction. Lots of catholic relate records listed across the country. > Migwich, Mike Z > http://www.marquette.edu/library/collections/archives/nativeguide/mguide-index-I-R.html > > NISHNAWBE-D-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > >> ATTACHMENT part 1 message/rfc822 > > NISHNAWBE-D Digest Volume 05 : Issue 20 > > Today's Topics: > #1 Re: [NISHNAWBE] joseph bourassa ["Anita Nelson" #2 Re: [NISHNAWBE] > joseph bourassa ["Joan Soullier" #3 BOURASSA ["Joan Soullier" #4 Re: > [NISHNAWBE] joseph bourassa ["Cobban" ] > > Administrivia: > To unsubscribe from NISHNAWBE-D, send a message to > > NISHNAWBE-D-request@rootsweb.com > > that contains in the body of the message the command > > unsubscribe > > and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software > requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. > > > > ______________________________ > >> ATTACHMENT part 2 message/rfc822 > Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 10:12:48 -0500 > From: "Anita Nelson" > To: NISHNAWBE-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [NISHNAWBE] joseph bourassa > > In addition, I found marriages for the following Bourassa's: Marquette Co. > Michigan Catholic Church Records. St. John's (The French Church). I think > this listing is published but if you cannot find it, I will do look ups. > > * Napoleon Bourassa, age 25, b. Canada, Occ: Brakeman, no parents listed > to > Marie Laviolette, age 17, b. Canada no parents listed. 03 Nov. 1886. > > * Louise Bourassa, age 16, b. Canada no parents listed to Bernard Gibeau, > age 21, b. Canada > Occ: Brakeman. 23 Nov. 1886. > > * Cemelida Bourassa, age 19, b. Canada, no parents listed to Antoine > Lalonde, 33, b. Canada, no parents listed. 24 July 1875. > > * Frank Bourassa, age 24, b. Canada, Occ. Laborer, no parents listed to > R-Anna Payette, age 15 1/2, b. Dead River. 08 June 1881. > (Note by Anita, my sister lived by the Dead River in Marquette so I would > assume that is where Dead River is) North Marquette. > > Note: A genealogist nightmare, no parents listed, but they may be on the > actual church record. This church has been torn down. It was where all my > family were baptized and where my parents and grandparents married, if any > of these people belong to you, contact me for where they may be housed. > > Note: Since my people were part of the Drummond Island, Penetanguishene > Group, I am quite sure that some of these people came from there also. My > great grandmother's sister married Etienne Laviolette. She had nieces by > the name of Tillie and Josephine, and nephew Joseph that I found so far. > He > was in the Spainish-American War. One of the girl's married > Stuart......written on back of picture. > > Anita "Bibeau" Nelson > > PS: Joan Soullier, are you the person who use to correspond with me two > decades ago? > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joan Soullier" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 3:51 PM > Subject: [NISHNAWBE] joseph bourassa > > >> i have a news letter about the bourassa family, from the Fulton county > historical society, Rochester,ind, sept 1996, a lot of info on this > family, > also joseph napoleon bourassa , joseph went west in 1837 with > chief-kee-wau-nay[for whom the village of kewanna is named] , this letter > was in sept 18 1996 Rochester, ind. >> >> >> ============================== >> Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. >> Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx >> >> > > ______________________________ > >> ATTACHMENT part 3 message/rfc822 > Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 13:32:31 -0800 > From: "Joan Soullier" > To: NISHNAWBE-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [NISHNAWBE] joseph bourassa > > Anita, it may very well be, what other family names you looking for ?the > Bourassa family on my side i think are indian, trying to put it all > together, my Bourassa married into the Chevaliers, and frances Alovoines. > i > will send some info on this paper i have,of joseph bourassa, later. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Anita Nelson" > To: > Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2005 7:12 AM > Subject: Re: [NISHNAWBE] joseph bourassa > > >> In addition, I found marriages for the following Bourassa's: Marquette > Co. >> Michigan Catholic Church Records. St. John's (The French Church). I > think >> this listing is published but if you cannot find it, I will do look ups. >> >> * Napoleon Bourassa, age 25, b. Canada, Occ: Brakeman, no parents listed > to >> Marie Laviolette, age 17, b. Canada no parents listed. 03 Nov. 1886. >> >> * Louise Bourassa, age 16, b. Canada no parents listed to Bernard Gibeau, >> age 21, b. Canada >> Occ: Brakeman. 23 Nov. 1886. >> >> * Cemelida Bourassa, age 19, b. Canada, no parents listed to Antoine >> Lalonde, 33, b. Canada, no parents listed. 24 July 1875. >> >> * Frank Bourassa, age 24, b. Canada, Occ. Laborer, no parents listed to >> R-Anna Payette, age 15 1/2, b. Dead River. 08 June 1881. >> (Note by Anita, my sister lived by the Dead River in Marquette so I > would >> assume that is where Dead River is) North Marquette. >> >> Note: A genealogist nightmare, no parents listed, but they may be on the >> actual church record. This church has been torn down. It was where all > my >> family were baptized and where my parents and grandparents married, if > any >> of these people belong to you, contact me for where they may be housed. >> >> Note: Since my people were part of the Drummond Island, Penetanguishene >> Group, I am quite sure that some of these people came from there also. > My >> great grandmother's sister married Etienne Laviolette. She had nieces > by >> the name of Tillie and Josephine, and nephew Joseph that I found so far. > He >> was in the Spainish-American War. One of the girl's married >> Stuart......written on back of picture. >> >> Anita "Bibeau" Nelson >> >> PS: Joan Soullier, are you the person who use to correspond with me two >> decades ago? >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Joan Soullier" >> To: >> Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 3:51 PM >> Subject: [NISHNAWBE] joseph bourassa >> >> >> > i have a news letter about the bourassa family, from the Fulton county >> historical society, Rochester,ind, sept 1996, a lot of info on this > family, >> also joseph napoleon bourassa , joseph went west in 1837 with >> chief-kee-wau-nay[for whom the village of kewanna is named] , this letter >> was in sept 18 1996 Rochester, ind. >> > >> > >> > ============================== >> > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. >> > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: >> http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx >> > >> > >> >> >> >> ============================== >> Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the >> last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >> >> > > ______________________________ > >> ATTACHMENT part 4 message/rfc822 > Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 14:13:55 -0800 > From: "Joan Soullier" > To: NISHNAWBE-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: BOURASSA > > joseph n Bourassa , his parents were fur traders . part french and part > potawatomi,, joseph went west 1837 with chief kee wau nay,in the group led > by george Proffit. his parents and family incuding his little brother > daniel went west on the trail of death in 1838,his brother jude went west > in 1840. in 1826 joseph n bourassa and jude accompanied rev. issac mc coy > from niles mich. to hamilton,new york,where they attended the baptist > theological institution in 1831-32 they attended choctaw academy at white > sulphur springs kentucky. there they took part in the debating sociery and > the lycurgus court. and learned to handle conflict according to white mans > law, this served them well as leaders of the potawatomi when they lived in > kansas. joseph n bourassa led a group of potawatomi who proved the white > trader joseph clymer jr and the indian agent anthony l davis, were > cheating and got them fired by the goverment, this was an unusual > accomplishment, because most whites were never re! > primanded.joseph bourassa seved as tribal interpreter for many years and > was prominent in tribal affairs, jude was an inn kepper,became wealthy and > had the first piano in kansas,according to letters of william h > hutter,first gov, of kansas in 1854 hutter was impressed with judes > comfortable house, fine furniture and delicious food,judes daughters > played the piano to entertain guests at the inn.joseph bourassa was > sketiched by george winter, both as an individual portrait and in the > treaty scene at lake kee-wau-nay in fulton county, he was interviewed by > dr lyman draper, whose collection of 5000 note books are in the university > of wisc. joseph bourassa was the oldest son of daniel II. he died in 1877 > and is buried at willard,kansas, more later. hope this helps. > > ______________________________ > >> ATTACHMENT part 5 message/rfc822 > Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 15:56:07 -0900 > From: "Cobban" > To: NISHNAWBE-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [NISHNAWBE] joseph bourassa > > Would you look for Antoine Morisseau b 1772? Can't find the registration > anywhere, thanks, Dodi > . >> Michigan Catholic Church Records. St. John's (The French Church). I >> think >> this listing is published but if you cannot find it, I will do look ups. >> > > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 266.4.0 - Release Date: 2/22/2005 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 266.4.0 - Release Date: 2/22/2005

Sorry that the link listed didn't work but if you go to the homepage listed on that link, the in the seach box type "Guide to catholic related Native American records". Then click on Mission church school records, then scroll to index I-R. Sorry this is so complicated but I can't seem to get the direct link to work. Migwich, Mike Z NISHNAWBE-D-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > ATTACHMENT part 1 message/rfc822 NISHNAWBE-D Digest Volume 05 : Issue 28 Today's Topics: #1 Re: [NISHNAWBE] Re: NISHNAWBE-D Di ["bud" ] Administrivia: To unsubscribe from NISHNAWBE-D, send a message to NISHNAWBE-D-request@rootsweb.com that contains in the body of the message the command unsubscribe and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. ______________________________ > ATTACHMENT part 2 message/rfc822 Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 10:53:35 -0600 From: "bud" To: NISHNAWBE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NISHNAWBE] Re: NISHNAWBE-D Digest V05 #20 I couldn't find the link. Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Zerby" To: Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2005 8:45 AM Subject: [NISHNAWBE] Re: NISHNAWBE-D Digest V05 #20 > Came across this site the other day, not exactly convienient to go there > but looks like a great list of resources for those with anishnabe > ancestry. Site is basiclly an index but should point people in the right > direction. Lots of catholic relate records listed across the country. > Migwich, Mike Z > http://www.marquette.edu/library/collections/archives/nativeguide/mguide-index-I-R.html > > NISHNAWBE-D-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > >> ATTACHMENT part 1 message/rfc822 > > NISHNAWBE-D Digest Volume 05 : Issue 20 > > Today's Topics: > #1 Re: [NISHNAWBE] joseph bourassa ["Anita Nelson" #2 Re: [NISHNAWBE] > joseph bourassa ["Joan Soullier" #3 BOURASSA ["Joan Soullier" #4 Re: > [NISHNAWBE] joseph bourassa ["Cobban" ] > > Administrivia: > To unsubscribe from NISHNAWBE-D, send a message to > > NISHNAWBE-D-request@rootsweb.com > > that contains in the body of the message the command > > unsubscribe > > and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software > requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. > > > > ______________________________ > >> ATTACHMENT part 2 message/rfc822 > Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 10:12:48 -0500 > From: "Anita Nelson" > To: NISHNAWBE-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [NISHNAWBE] joseph bourassa > > In addition, I found marriages for the following Bourassa's: Marquette Co. > Michigan Catholic Church Records. St. John's (The French Church). I think > this listing is published but if you cannot find it, I will do look ups. > > * Napoleon Bourassa, age 25, b. Canada, Occ: Brakeman, no parents listed > to > Marie Laviolette, age 17, b. Canada no parents listed. 03 Nov. 1886. > > * Louise Bourassa, age 16, b. Canada no parents listed to Bernard Gibeau, > age 21, b. Canada > Occ: Brakeman. 23 Nov. 1886. > > * Cemelida Bourassa, age 19, b. Canada, no parents listed to Antoine > Lalonde, 33, b. Canada, no parents listed. 24 July 1875. > > * Frank Bourassa, age 24, b. Canada, Occ. Laborer, no parents listed to > R-Anna Payette, age 15 1/2, b. Dead River. 08 June 1881. > (Note by Anita, my sister lived by the Dead River in Marquette so I would > assume that is where Dead River is) North Marquette. > > Note: A genealogist nightmare, no parents listed, but they may be on the > actual church record. This church has been torn down. It was where all my > family were baptized and where my parents and grandparents married, if any > of these people belong to you, contact me for where they may be housed. > > Note: Since my people were part of the Drummond Island, Penetanguishene > Group, I am quite sure that some of these people came from there also. My > great grandmother's sister married Etienne Laviolette. She had nieces by > the name of Tillie and Josephine, and nephew Joseph that I found so far. > He > was in the Spainish-American War. One of the girl's married > Stuart......written on back of picture. > > Anita "Bibeau" Nelson > > PS: Joan Soullier, are you the person who use to correspond with me two > decades ago? > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joan Soullier" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 3:51 PM > Subject: [NISHNAWBE] joseph bourassa > > >> i have a news letter about the bourassa family, from the Fulton county > historical society, Rochester,ind, sept 1996, a lot of info on this > family, > also joseph napoleon bourassa , joseph went west in 1837 with > chief-kee-wau-nay[for whom the village of kewanna is named] , this letter > was in sept 18 1996 Rochester, ind. >> >> >> ============================== >> Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. >> Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx >> >> > > ______________________________ > >> ATTACHMENT part 3 message/rfc822 > Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 13:32:31 -0800 > From: "Joan Soullier" > To: NISHNAWBE-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [NISHNAWBE] joseph bourassa > > Anita, it may very well be, what other family names you looking for ?the > Bourassa family on my side i think are indian, trying to put it all > together, my Bourassa married into the Chevaliers, and frances Alovoines. > i > will send some info on this paper i have,of joseph bourassa, later. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Anita Nelson" > To: > Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2005 7:12 AM > Subject: Re: [NISHNAWBE] joseph bourassa > > >> In addition, I found marriages for the following Bourassa's: Marquette > Co. >> Michigan Catholic Church Records. St. John's (The French Church). I > think >> this listing is published but if you cannot find it, I will do look ups. >> >> * Napoleon Bourassa, age 25, b. Canada, Occ: Brakeman, no parents listed > to >> Marie Laviolette, age 17, b. Canada no parents listed. 03 Nov. 1886. >> >> * Louise Bourassa, age 16, b. Canada no parents listed to Bernard Gibeau, >> age 21, b. Canada >> Occ: Brakeman. 23 Nov. 1886. >> >> * Cemelida Bourassa, age 19, b. Canada, no parents listed to Antoine >> Lalonde, 33, b. Canada, no parents listed. 24 July 1875. >> >> * Frank Bourassa, age 24, b. Canada, Occ. Laborer, no parents listed to >> R-Anna Payette, age 15 1/2, b. Dead River. 08 June 1881. >> (Note by Anita, my sister lived by the Dead River in Marquette so I > would >> assume that is where Dead River is) North Marquette. >> >> Note: A genealogist nightmare, no parents listed, but they may be on the >> actual church record. This church has been torn down. It was where all > my >> family were baptized and where my parents and grandparents married, if > any >> of these people belong to you, contact me for where they may be housed. >> >> Note: Since my people were part of the Drummond Island, Penetanguishene >> Group, I am quite sure that some of these people came from there also. > My >> great grandmother's sister married Etienne Laviolette. She had nieces > by >> the name of Tillie and Josephine, and nephew Joseph that I found so far. > He >> was in the Spainish-American War. One of the girl's married >> Stuart......written on back of picture. >> >> Anita "Bibeau" Nelson >> >> PS: Joan Soullier, are you the person who use to correspond with me two >> decades ago? >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Joan Soullier" >> To: >> Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 3:51 PM >> Subject: [NISHNAWBE] joseph bourassa >> >> >> > i have a news letter about the bourassa family, from the Fulton county >> historical society, Rochester,ind, sept 1996, a lot of info on this > family, >> also joseph napoleon bourassa , joseph went west in 1837 with >> chief-kee-wau-nay[for whom the village of kewanna is named] , this letter >> was in sept 18 1996 Rochester, ind. >> > >> > >> > ============================== >> > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. >> > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: >> http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx >> > >> > >> >> >> >> ============================== >> Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the >> last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >> >> > > ______________________________ > >> ATTACHMENT part 4 message/rfc822 > Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 14:13:55 -0800 > From: "Joan Soullier" > To: NISHNAWBE-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: BOURASSA > > joseph n Bourassa , his parents were fur traders . part french and part > potawatomi,, joseph went west 1837 with chief kee wau nay,in the group led > by george Proffit. his parents and family incuding his little brother > daniel went west on the trail of death in 1838,his brother jude went west > in 1840. in 1826 joseph n bourassa and jude accompanied rev. issac mc coy > from niles mich. to hamilton,new york,where they attended the baptist > theological institution in 1831-32 they attended choctaw academy at white > sulphur springs kentucky. there they took part in the debating sociery and > the lycurgus court. and learned to handle conflict according to white mans > law, this served them well as leaders of the potawatomi when they lived in > kansas. joseph n bourassa led a group of potawatomi who proved the white > trader joseph clymer jr and the indian agent anthony l davis, were > cheating and got them fired by the goverment, this was an unusual > accomplishment, because most whites were never re! > primanded.joseph bourassa seved as tribal interpreter for many years and > was prominent in tribal affairs, jude was an inn kepper,became wealthy and > had the first piano in kansas,according to letters of william h > hutter,first gov, of kansas in 1854 hutter was impressed with judes > comfortable house, fine furniture and delicious food,judes daughters > played the piano to entertain guests at the inn.joseph bourassa was > sketiched by george winter, both as an individual portrait and in the > treaty scene at lake kee-wau-nay in fulton county, he was interviewed by > dr lyman draper, whose collection of 5000 note books are in the university > of wisc. joseph bourassa was the oldest son of daniel II. he died in 1877 > and is buried at willard,kansas, more later. hope this helps. > > ______________________________ > >> ATTACHMENT part 5 message/rfc822 > Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 15:56:07 -0900 > From: "Cobban" > To: NISHNAWBE-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [NISHNAWBE] joseph bourassa > > Would you look for Antoine Morisseau b 1772? Can't find the registration > anywhere, thanks, Dodi > . >> Michigan Catholic Church Records. St. John's (The French Church). I >> think >> this listing is published but if you cannot find it, I will do look ups. >> > > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 266.4.0 - Release Date: 2/22/2005 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 266.4.0 - Release Date: 2/22/2005

Came across this site the other day, not exactly convienient to go there but looks like a great list of resources for those with anishnabe ancestry. Site is basiclly an index but should point people in the right direction. Lots of catholic relate records listed across the country. Migwich, Mike Z http://www.marquette.edu/library/collections/archives/nativeguide/mguide-index-I-R.html NISHNAWBE-D-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > ATTACHMENT part 1 message/rfc822 NISHNAWBE-D Digest Volume 05 : Issue 20 Today's Topics: #1 Re: [NISHNAWBE] joseph bourassa ["Anita Nelson" #2 Re: [NISHNAWBE] joseph bourassa ["Joan Soullier" #3 BOURASSA ["Joan Soullier" #4 Re: [NISHNAWBE] joseph bourassa ["Cobban" ] Administrivia: To unsubscribe from NISHNAWBE-D, send a message to NISHNAWBE-D-request@rootsweb.com that contains in the body of the message the command unsubscribe and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. ______________________________ > ATTACHMENT part 2 message/rfc822 Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 10:12:48 -0500 From: "Anita Nelson" To: NISHNAWBE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NISHNAWBE] joseph bourassa In addition, I found marriages for the following Bourassa's: Marquette Co. Michigan Catholic Church Records. St. John's (The French Church). I think this listing is published but if you cannot find it, I will do look ups. * Napoleon Bourassa, age 25, b. Canada, Occ: Brakeman, no parents listed to Marie Laviolette, age 17, b. Canada no parents listed. 03 Nov. 1886. * Louise Bourassa, age 16, b. Canada no parents listed to Bernard Gibeau, age 21, b. Canada Occ: Brakeman. 23 Nov. 1886. * Cemelida Bourassa, age 19, b. Canada, no parents listed to Antoine Lalonde, 33, b. Canada, no parents listed. 24 July 1875. * Frank Bourassa, age 24, b. Canada, Occ. Laborer, no parents listed to R-Anna Payette, age 15 1/2, b. Dead River. 08 June 1881. (Note by Anita, my sister lived by the Dead River in Marquette so I would assume that is where Dead River is) North Marquette. Note: A genealogist nightmare, no parents listed, but they may be on the actual church record. This church has been torn down. It was where all my family were baptized and where my parents and grandparents married, if any of these people belong to you, contact me for where they may be housed. Note: Since my people were part of the Drummond Island, Penetanguishene Group, I am quite sure that some of these people came from there also. My great grandmother's sister married Etienne Laviolette. She had nieces by the name of Tillie and Josephine, and nephew Joseph that I found so far. He was in the Spainish-American War. One of the girl's married Stuart......written on back of picture. Anita "Bibeau" Nelson PS: Joan Soullier, are you the person who use to correspond with me two decades ago? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joan Soullier" To: Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 3:51 PM Subject: [NISHNAWBE] joseph bourassa > i have a news letter about the bourassa family, from the Fulton county historical society, Rochester,ind, sept 1996, a lot of info on this family, also joseph napoleon bourassa , joseph went west in 1837 with chief-kee-wau-nay[for whom the village of kewanna is named] , this letter was in sept 18 1996 Rochester, ind. > > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > > ______________________________ > ATTACHMENT part 3 message/rfc822 Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 13:32:31 -0800 From: "Joan Soullier" To: NISHNAWBE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NISHNAWBE] joseph bourassa Anita, it may very well be, what other family names you looking for ?the Bourassa family on my side i think are indian, trying to put it all together, my Bourassa married into the Chevaliers, and frances Alovoines. i will send some info on this paper i have,of joseph bourassa, later. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anita Nelson" To: Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2005 7:12 AM Subject: Re: [NISHNAWBE] joseph bourassa > In addition, I found marriages for the following Bourassa's: Marquette Co. > Michigan Catholic Church Records. St. John's (The French Church). I think > this listing is published but if you cannot find it, I will do look ups. > > * Napoleon Bourassa, age 25, b. Canada, Occ: Brakeman, no parents listed to > Marie Laviolette, age 17, b. Canada no parents listed. 03 Nov. 1886. > > * Louise Bourassa, age 16, b. Canada no parents listed to Bernard Gibeau, > age 21, b. Canada > Occ: Brakeman. 23 Nov. 1886. > > * Cemelida Bourassa, age 19, b. Canada, no parents listed to Antoine > Lalonde, 33, b. Canada, no parents listed. 24 July 1875. > > * Frank Bourassa, age 24, b. Canada, Occ. Laborer, no parents listed to > R-Anna Payette, age 15 1/2, b. Dead River. 08 June 1881. > (Note by Anita, my sister lived by the Dead River in Marquette so I would > assume that is where Dead River is) North Marquette. > > Note: A genealogist nightmare, no parents listed, but they may be on the > actual church record. This church has been torn down. It was where all my > family were baptized and where my parents and grandparents married, if any > of these people belong to you, contact me for where they may be housed. > > Note: Since my people were part of the Drummond Island, Penetanguishene > Group, I am quite sure that some of these people came from there also. My > great grandmother's sister married Etienne Laviolette. She had nieces by > the name of Tillie and Josephine, and nephew Joseph that I found so far. He > was in the Spainish-American War. One of the girl's married > Stuart......written on back of picture. > > Anita "Bibeau" Nelson > > PS: Joan Soullier, are you the person who use to correspond with me two > decades ago? > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joan Soullier" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 3:51 PM > Subject: [NISHNAWBE] joseph bourassa > > > > i have a news letter about the bourassa family, from the Fulton county > historical society, Rochester,ind, sept 1996, a lot of info on this family, > also joseph napoleon bourassa , joseph went west in 1837 with > chief-kee-wau-nay[for whom the village of kewanna is named] , this letter > was in sept 18 1996 Rochester, ind. > > > > > > ============================== > > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > > > > > > > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > ______________________________ > ATTACHMENT part 4 message/rfc822 Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 14:13:55 -0800 From: "Joan Soullier" To: NISHNAWBE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: BOURASSA joseph n Bourassa , his parents were fur traders . part french and part potawatomi,, joseph went west 1837 with chief kee wau nay,in the group led by george Proffit. his parents and family incuding his little brother daniel went west on the trail of death in 1838,his brother jude went west in 1840. in 1826 joseph n bourassa and jude accompanied rev. issac mc coy from niles mich. to hamilton,new york,where they attended the baptist theological institution in 1831-32 they attended choctaw academy at white sulphur springs kentucky. there they took part in the debating sociery and the lycurgus court. and learned to handle conflict according to white mans law, this served them well as leaders of the potawatomi when they lived in kansas. joseph n bourassa led a group of potawatomi who proved the white trader joseph clymer jr and the indian agent anthony l davis, were cheating and got them fired by the goverment, this was an unusual accomplishment, because most whites were never re! primanded.joseph bourassa seved as tribal interpreter for many years and was prominent in tribal affairs, jude was an inn kepper,became wealthy and had the first piano in kansas,according to letters of william h hutter,first gov, of kansas in 1854 hutter was impressed with judes comfortable house, fine furniture and delicious food,judes daughters played the piano to entertain guests at the inn.joseph bourassa was sketiched by george winter, both as an individual portrait and in the treaty scene at lake kee-wau-nay in fulton county, he was interviewed by dr lyman draper, whose collection of 5000 note books are in the university of wisc. joseph bourassa was the oldest son of daniel II. he died in 1877 and is buried at willard,kansas, more later. hope this helps. ______________________________ > ATTACHMENT part 5 message/rfc822 Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 15:56:07 -0900 From: "Cobban" To: NISHNAWBE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NISHNAWBE] joseph bourassa Would you look for Antoine Morisseau b 1772? Can't find the registration anywhere, thanks, Dodi . > Michigan Catholic Church Records. St. John's (The French Church). I > think > this listing is published but if you cannot find it, I will do look ups. >

-----Original Message----- From: Aline Sabourin <asabourin@lincsat.com> Sent: Feb 21, 2005 9:39 PM To: NISHNAWBE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NISHNAWBE] LAMARANDIERE [was : NATIVE GENEALOGY RESEARCH GROUP] Hi <Just a thought but could this not be the Michel "Daigle/Dokis" family from Nippissing.> Hi Aline: Thanks for trying to help. Yes, I believe she was a member of the Dokis family. Now, I don't believe she was Michel's daughter since he was born c. 1818 and she had her first child in 1830. It seems more likely she would have been his sister? Art Regards Aline ----- Original Message ----- From: "RDWinthrop" <RDWinthrop@a1access.net> To: <NISHNAWBE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 21, 2005 6:58 PM Subject: [NISHNAWBE] LAMARANDIERE [was : NATIVE GENEALOGY RESEARCH GROUP] > Art - > >> My gg grandfather was Alexis De La Morandiere, b. 1806; d. 1900 in Killarney, ON. He >> married Mile L'Aigle, d. 1834. She was perhaps from Nipissing, ON and may have been >> Ojibwe. His mother was Sai-Sai-Go-No-Kwe who was either Ottawa or Ojibwe. We >> know she was a member of a band of Ojibwe in ON but oral tradition holds that she >> was an Ottawa, born in MI. They had two girls: Alelaide, b. June 1830, and Pauline, >> b. 17 Mar 1832. Pauline was my great grandmother. > > This clipped from a gedcom sent to me by Jim LaLone ... > > 4. Etienne-Augustin ROCBERT- LAMARANDIERE b. 2 May 1767, Varennes, > Montreal, Qc, CAN, occupation fur trader, m. 1800 at Mackinac > (Mackinac Co) MI tto Josette SAISAIGONOKWEE (b. c1783, poss. Kalamazoo > Co. MI, d. Nov 1868, Killarney ONT). Etienne-Augustin died 1 May 1859 > at Killarney ONT, buried: 3 May 1859, Killarney ONT. Established > trading post at Muskegon before 1810. Or b. c.1784. Founder of > Killarney, Ont. Josette: Sauteuse or Ottawa. Aka SASEGANOKWE, aka > Falling Snow. > Children: > i Josephte DeLAMORANDIERE b. 1801, Kalamazoo, Kalamazoo Co., MI, > m. (1) in Drummond Is., MI, Thomas PRIOR, m. (2) _____ PECK, > occupation Cpt. Josephte died 1854, Sault Ste. Marie, Chippewa Co., > MI. > ii Julia LAMORANDIERE b. May 1804, bp. 21 Aug 1818, Detroit, > Wayne Co., MI, m. 28 Jul 1825, in Drummond Is., MI, Jean-Baptiste > ROUSSEAU. Julia died 1903, Sault Ste. Marie, Chippewa Co., MI. > iii Alexis DeLAMORANDIERE b. 6 Jul 1806, Mackinac, Mackinac Co., > MI, m. (1) 1829, in Penetanguishene, Ont., CAN, Mile L'AIGLE, m. (2) > 1842, Angelique HUGHES. Alexis died 6 Mar 1900, Killarney, Ont., CAN. > 5. iv Aker/Aken/Etienne/Steve b. c. 1808/10. > 6. v Adelaide-Marie b. 10 Oct 1810. > 7. vi Charlotte b. 1812. > 8. vii Thadeus b. 1814. > viii Charles DeLAMORANDIERE b. Jun 1816, Mackinac, Mackinac Co., > MI, m. in Penetanguishene, Ont., CAN, Josephte SHEPARD. > ix Jacques DeLAMORANDIERE b. 1818, Drummond Is., MI, d. Jan > 1837, Penetanguishene, Ont., CAN. > x Frederic DeLAMORANDIERE b. 15 Aug 1828, Spanish River, Ont., > CAN, m. (1) 20 Aug 1868, in Wikwemikong, CAN, Mary MATCHISIBI, m. (2) > 1895, in Southampton, Ont., CAN, Mary GRANDVILLE. Frederic died 1902, > Cape Croker. > >> My query to the research group concerns Mile L'Aigle. She may have been the d/o >> a chief named Eagle. I think this is speculation. Actually, I know nothing about her >> and would like to know everything. I haven't a clue as to how to find her. I have >> not found her death record, or anything else. Do you think anyone there might know >> any of the details of her life?--or how to research her? After her death Alexis remarried >> and raised another family. The girls were raised by their grandparents-I believe. > > Don't know how the French say "eagle" but in Anishinaabemowin a Bald > Eagle = Migizi, a Golden Eagle = Giniw ... there isn't a generic form > for "eagle" as each particular animal species had its own name. > >>============================== > > Below clipped from datafile relating to Thaddeus LAMARANDIER (c.1842) > who served in a Michigan sharpshooter regiment and was killed 12 May > 1864 at Spotsylvania VA. > > -- > > It is likely that Etienne LaMORANDIER handled Joseph BAILLY's post on > the Muskegon; his name appears on BAILLY ledger sheets of 6 Aug 1803 > and 2 Aug 1804. BAILLY had traded on the Grand as early as 1793 and > his papers suggest activity on the Muskegon, an important route > between the north central Lower Peninsula and the important winter > hunting / spring gathering grounds of lower Lake Michigan. > > Traders would bring winter furs to Mackinaw along the Indian trails > each spring, crossing the Grand at Campau's and the Muskegon at > Truckee's [Joseph Troutier], then following along the north side of > the River to Old Womens Bend where it joined the trail north; when > the first road was built north out of Grand Rapids to Pentwater it > closely followed this trail (portion now known as Crooked Road between > Newaygo - Fremont). > > Etiene Lamarendier established a post at the mouth of the Muskegon > River sometime prior to 1800, perhaps in association with Joseph > Bailly (who had been trading in the area as early as 1793). The Bailly > account books show the name Lamarandier in 1802. In 1810, Alexander > Etiene Lamarandier was born at Muskegon Lake. The elder Lamarandier > was French, but had sworn allegiance to the English which he > considered binding even past the end of the Revolution. Bailly and > Lamarandier were held, briefly, as British spies during the 1812 war. > Lamarandier relocated to Drummond Island where he supplied the Brits > with corn & hay during the 1820's, then returned to the Muskegon Lake > area. The younger Lamarandier married a "pure blood Ottawa woman and > opened a post on the flats at the Old Women's Bend on the Muskegon > (about two miles below modern Newaygo) where a small community > developed, aka Indian Town (what else ...); eventually, lumbering on > the Muskegon required higher water and the flats were flooded, ending > the post and the village, although the building remained until 1917. > The name Lamarandier was hard to pronounce and so it was discarded and > the middle name Etiene was corrupted into Aiken. Alex Lamarandier had > sons Tom (d. 1931), Jacob, and Robert. Tom's daughter was married to > an Alex BROWN and lived near the old post at ___ as late as 1960. [42 > TOTEM POLE #2 (2 Feb 1959)] > > Etienne fathered Alexander Etienne on the Muskegon [Muskegon Lake] in > 1810 where he grew to manhood, married a full-blood Odawa, and > eventually established a post at Old Womens Bend, two miles below > present Newaygo on the Grand Rapids - Pentwater Indian trail. A > cluster of 35-40 cabins grew around the post and a Catholic church was > built to host monthly services at so-called Indian Town. > > When lumbering began in the region and it was 'necessary' to dam the > river the bring the logs down from the interior, the village flat > would be flooded and many of the cabins had to be moved to higher > grounds. The LaMORANDIER cabin had clapboards and remained habitable > long after most of the others were dillapidated or taken down, and > many LaMORANDIERs were born there (Jacob, Robert, Tom Aiken, sons of > Alex), although Americans making their way into the area had trouble > with the name -- it became Etiene, and then Aiken. The post was torn > down in 1917 for a gravel pit. [A Spooner 1975?] > > Gordan S. Hubbard and Jacques Defrain wintered in 1819 in an abandoned > post on Muskegon Lake which likely was the BAILLY / LaMORANDIER site. > > --- > [<1810] [?Alexander] Etienne LAMARANDIER had established a trade > post on the Muskegon by 1810 [note: see above] and may have traded > into Newaygo Co. {H L Spooner 1954: 4} > --- > Etienne was still farming near Newaygo in the 1891; had been in employ > of or dealing with Antoine Campeau into 1840's > {Baxter 1895: 273} > --- > [1894] "In July, Louis Etienne LAMARANDIER, the oldest Indian in > the county, whose home was at the Indian settlement at Old Woman's > Bend below Newaygo, was found dead in a sweating place in the woods > which he had constructed. He was found under some blankets draped over > a wooden framework. He had used hot stones to produce the sweat." > {Spooner 1954: 291-292} > --- > > None of this may be on your target, but hope you find it at least > semi-interesting. > > Any & all information about Thaddeus (c1842-1863) is certainly > welcome. > > regards - rdw > > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx ============================== Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx

Hi Just a thought but could this not be the Michel "Daigle/Dokis" family from Nippissing. Regards Aline ----- Original Message ----- From: "RDWinthrop" <RDWinthrop@a1access.net> To: <NISHNAWBE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 21, 2005 6:58 PM Subject: [NISHNAWBE] LAMARANDIERE [was : NATIVE GENEALOGY RESEARCH GROUP] > Art - > >> My gg grandfather was Alexis De La Morandiere, b. 1806; d. 1900 in Killarney, ON. He >> married Mile L'Aigle, d. 1834. She was perhaps from Nipissing, ON and may have been >> Ojibwe. His mother was Sai-Sai-Go-No-Kwe who was either Ottawa or Ojibwe. We >> know she was a member of a band of Ojibwe in ON but oral tradition holds that she >> was an Ottawa, born in MI. They had two girls: Alelaide, b. June 1830, and Pauline, >> b. 17 Mar 1832. Pauline was my great grandmother. > > This clipped from a gedcom sent to me by Jim LaLone ... > > 4. Etienne-Augustin ROCBERT- LAMARANDIERE b. 2 May 1767, Varennes, > Montreal, Qc, CAN, occupation fur trader, m. 1800 at Mackinac > (Mackinac Co) MI tto Josette SAISAIGONOKWEE (b. c1783, poss. Kalamazoo > Co. MI, d. Nov 1868, Killarney ONT). Etienne-Augustin died 1 May 1859 > at Killarney ONT, buried: 3 May 1859, Killarney ONT. Established > trading post at Muskegon before 1810. Or b. c.1784. Founder of > Killarney, Ont. Josette: Sauteuse or Ottawa. Aka SASEGANOKWE, aka > Falling Snow. > Children: > i Josephte DeLAMORANDIERE b. 1801, Kalamazoo, Kalamazoo Co., MI, > m. (1) in Drummond Is., MI, Thomas PRIOR, m. (2) _____ PECK, > occupation Cpt. Josephte died 1854, Sault Ste. Marie, Chippewa Co., > MI. > ii Julia LAMORANDIERE b. May 1804, bp. 21 Aug 1818, Detroit, > Wayne Co., MI, m. 28 Jul 1825, in Drummond Is., MI, Jean-Baptiste > ROUSSEAU. Julia died 1903, Sault Ste. Marie, Chippewa Co., MI. > iii Alexis DeLAMORANDIERE b. 6 Jul 1806, Mackinac, Mackinac Co., > MI, m. (1) 1829, in Penetanguishene, Ont., CAN, Mile L'AIGLE, m. (2) > 1842, Angelique HUGHES. Alexis died 6 Mar 1900, Killarney, Ont., CAN. > 5. iv Aker/Aken/Etienne/Steve b. c. 1808/10. > 6. v Adelaide-Marie b. 10 Oct 1810. > 7. vi Charlotte b. 1812. > 8. vii Thadeus b. 1814. > viii Charles DeLAMORANDIERE b. Jun 1816, Mackinac, Mackinac Co., > MI, m. in Penetanguishene, Ont., CAN, Josephte SHEPARD. > ix Jacques DeLAMORANDIERE b. 1818, Drummond Is., MI, d. Jan > 1837, Penetanguishene, Ont., CAN. > x Frederic DeLAMORANDIERE b. 15 Aug 1828, Spanish River, Ont., > CAN, m. (1) 20 Aug 1868, in Wikwemikong, CAN, Mary MATCHISIBI, m. (2) > 1895, in Southampton, Ont., CAN, Mary GRANDVILLE. Frederic died 1902, > Cape Croker. > >> My query to the research group concerns Mile L'Aigle. She may have been the d/o >> a chief named Eagle. I think this is speculation. Actually, I know nothing about her >> and would like to know everything. I haven't a clue as to how to find her. I have >> not found her death record, or anything else. Do you think anyone there might know >> any of the details of her life?--or how to research her? After her death Alexis remarried >> and raised another family. The girls were raised by their grandparents-I believe. > > Don't know how the French say "eagle" but in Anishinaabemowin a Bald > Eagle = Migizi, a Golden Eagle = Giniw ... there isn't a generic form > for "eagle" as each particular animal species had its own name. > >>============================== > > Below clipped from datafile relating to Thaddeus LAMARANDIER (c.1842) > who served in a Michigan sharpshooter regiment and was killed 12 May > 1864 at Spotsylvania VA. > > -- > > It is likely that Etienne LaMORANDIER handled Joseph BAILLY's post on > the Muskegon; his name appears on BAILLY ledger sheets of 6 Aug 1803 > and 2 Aug 1804. BAILLY had traded on the Grand as early as 1793 and > his papers suggest activity on the Muskegon, an important route > between the north central Lower Peninsula and the important winter > hunting / spring gathering grounds of lower Lake Michigan. > > Traders would bring winter furs to Mackinaw along the Indian trails > each spring, crossing the Grand at Campau's and the Muskegon at > Truckee's [Joseph Troutier], then following along the north side of > the River to Old Womens Bend where it joined the trail north; when > the first road was built north out of Grand Rapids to Pentwater it > closely followed this trail (portion now known as Crooked Road between > Newaygo - Fremont). > > Etiene Lamarendier established a post at the mouth of the Muskegon > River sometime prior to 1800, perhaps in association with Joseph > Bailly (who had been trading in the area as early as 1793). The Bailly > account books show the name Lamarandier in 1802. In 1810, Alexander > Etiene Lamarandier was born at Muskegon Lake. The elder Lamarandier > was French, but had sworn allegiance to the English which he > considered binding even past the end of the Revolution. Bailly and > Lamarandier were held, briefly, as British spies during the 1812 war. > Lamarandier relocated to Drummond Island where he supplied the Brits > with corn & hay during the 1820's, then returned to the Muskegon Lake > area. The younger Lamarandier married a "pure blood Ottawa woman and > opened a post on the flats at the Old Women's Bend on the Muskegon > (about two miles below modern Newaygo) where a small community > developed, aka Indian Town (what else ...); eventually, lumbering on > the Muskegon required higher water and the flats were flooded, ending > the post and the village, although the building remained until 1917. > The name Lamarandier was hard to pronounce and so it was discarded and > the middle name Etiene was corrupted into Aiken. Alex Lamarandier had > sons Tom (d. 1931), Jacob, and Robert. Tom's daughter was married to > an Alex BROWN and lived near the old post at ___ as late as 1960. [42 > TOTEM POLE #2 (2 Feb 1959)] > > Etienne fathered Alexander Etienne on the Muskegon [Muskegon Lake] in > 1810 where he grew to manhood, married a full-blood Odawa, and > eventually established a post at Old Womens Bend, two miles below > present Newaygo on the Grand Rapids - Pentwater Indian trail. A > cluster of 35-40 cabins grew around the post and a Catholic church was > built to host monthly services at so-called Indian Town. > > When lumbering began in the region and it was 'necessary' to dam the > river the bring the logs down from the interior, the village flat > would be flooded and many of the cabins had to be moved to higher > grounds. The LaMORANDIER cabin had clapboards and remained habitable > long after most of the others were dillapidated or taken down, and > many LaMORANDIERs were born there (Jacob, Robert, Tom Aiken, sons of > Alex), although Americans making their way into the area had trouble > with the name -- it became Etiene, and then Aiken. The post was torn > down in 1917 for a gravel pit. [A Spooner 1975?] > > Gordan S. Hubbard and Jacques Defrain wintered in 1819 in an abandoned > post on Muskegon Lake which likely was the BAILLY / LaMORANDIER site. > > --- > [<1810] [?Alexander] Etienne LAMARANDIER had established a trade > post on the Muskegon by 1810 [note: see above] and may have traded > into Newaygo Co. {H L Spooner 1954: 4} > --- > Etienne was still farming near Newaygo in the 1891; had been in employ > of or dealing with Antoine Campeau into 1840's > {Baxter 1895: 273} > --- > [1894] "In July, Louis Etienne LAMARANDIER, the oldest Indian in > the county, whose home was at the Indian settlement at Old Woman's > Bend below Newaygo, was found dead in a sweating place in the woods > which he had constructed. He was found under some blankets draped over > a wooden framework. He had used hot stones to produce the sweat." > {Spooner 1954: 291-292} > --- > > None of this may be on your target, but hope you find it at least > semi-interesting. > > Any & all information about Thaddeus (c1842-1863) is certainly > welcome. > > regards - rdw > > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx

Art - > My gg grandfather was Alexis De La Morandiere, b. 1806; d. 1900 in Killarney, ON. He > married Mile L'Aigle, d. 1834. She was perhaps from Nipissing, ON and may have been > Ojibwe. His mother was Sai-Sai-Go-No-Kwe who was either Ottawa or Ojibwe. We > know she was a member of a band of Ojibwe in ON but oral tradition holds that she > was an Ottawa, born in MI. They had two girls: Alelaide, b. June 1830, and Pauline, > b. 17 Mar 1832. Pauline was my great grandmother. This clipped from a gedcom sent to me by Jim LaLone ... 4. Etienne-Augustin ROCBERT- LAMARANDIERE b. 2 May 1767, Varennes, Montreal, Qc, CAN, occupation fur trader, m. 1800 at Mackinac (Mackinac Co) MI tto Josette SAISAIGONOKWEE (b. c1783, poss. Kalamazoo Co. MI, d. Nov 1868, Killarney ONT). Etienne-Augustin died 1 May 1859 at Killarney ONT, buried: 3 May 1859, Killarney ONT. Established trading post at Muskegon before 1810. Or b. c.1784. Founder of Killarney, Ont. Josette: Sauteuse or Ottawa. Aka SASEGANOKWE, aka Falling Snow. Children: i Josephte DeLAMORANDIERE b. 1801, Kalamazoo, Kalamazoo Co., MI, m. (1) in Drummond Is., MI, Thomas PRIOR, m. (2) _____ PECK, occupation Cpt. Josephte died 1854, Sault Ste. Marie, Chippewa Co., MI. ii Julia LAMORANDIERE b. May 1804, bp. 21 Aug 1818, Detroit, Wayne Co., MI, m. 28 Jul 1825, in Drummond Is., MI, Jean-Baptiste ROUSSEAU. Julia died 1903, Sault Ste. Marie, Chippewa Co., MI. iii Alexis DeLAMORANDIERE b. 6 Jul 1806, Mackinac, Mackinac Co., MI, m. (1) 1829, in Penetanguishene, Ont., CAN, Mile L'AIGLE, m. (2) 1842, Angelique HUGHES. Alexis died 6 Mar 1900, Killarney, Ont., CAN. 5. iv Aker/Aken/Etienne/Steve b. c. 1808/10. 6. v Adelaide-Marie b. 10 Oct 1810. 7. vi Charlotte b. 1812. 8. vii Thadeus b. 1814. viii Charles DeLAMORANDIERE b. Jun 1816, Mackinac, Mackinac Co., MI, m. in Penetanguishene, Ont., CAN, Josephte SHEPARD. ix Jacques DeLAMORANDIERE b. 1818, Drummond Is., MI, d. Jan 1837, Penetanguishene, Ont., CAN. x Frederic DeLAMORANDIERE b. 15 Aug 1828, Spanish River, Ont., CAN, m. (1) 20 Aug 1868, in Wikwemikong, CAN, Mary MATCHISIBI, m. (2) 1895, in Southampton, Ont., CAN, Mary GRANDVILLE. Frederic died 1902, Cape Croker. > My query to the research group concerns Mile L'Aigle. She may have been the d/o > a chief named Eagle. I think this is speculation. Actually, I know nothing about her > and would like to know everything. I haven't a clue as to how to find her. I have > not found her death record, or anything else. Do you think anyone there might know > any of the details of her life?--or how to research her? After her death Alexis remarried > and raised another family. The girls were raised by their grandparents-I believe. Don't know how the French say "eagle" but in Anishinaabemowin a Bald Eagle = Migizi, a Golden Eagle = Giniw ... there isn't a generic form for "eagle" as each particular animal species had its own name. >============================== Below clipped from datafile relating to Thaddeus LAMARANDIER (c.1842) who served in a Michigan sharpshooter regiment and was killed 12 May 1864 at Spotsylvania VA. -- It is likely that Etienne LaMORANDIER handled Joseph BAILLY's post on the Muskegon; his name appears on BAILLY ledger sheets of 6 Aug 1803 and 2 Aug 1804. BAILLY had traded on the Grand as early as 1793 and his papers suggest activity on the Muskegon, an important route between the north central Lower Peninsula and the important winter hunting / spring gathering grounds of lower Lake Michigan. Traders would bring winter furs to Mackinaw along the Indian trails each spring, crossing the Grand at Campau's and the Muskegon at Truckee's [Joseph Troutier], then following along the north side of the River to Old Womens Bend where it joined the trail north; when the first road was built north out of Grand Rapids to Pentwater it closely followed this trail (portion now known as Crooked Road between Newaygo - Fremont). Etiene Lamarendier established a post at the mouth of the Muskegon River sometime prior to 1800, perhaps in association with Joseph Bailly (who had been trading in the area as early as 1793). The Bailly account books show the name Lamarandier in 1802. In 1810, Alexander Etiene Lamarandier was born at Muskegon Lake. The elder Lamarandier was French, but had sworn allegiance to the English which he considered binding even past the end of the Revolution. Bailly and Lamarandier were held, briefly, as British spies during the 1812 war. Lamarandier relocated to Drummond Island where he supplied the Brits with corn & hay during the 1820's, then returned to the Muskegon Lake area. The younger Lamarandier married a "pure blood Ottawa woman and opened a post on the flats at the Old Women's Bend on the Muskegon (about two miles below modern Newaygo) where a small community developed, aka Indian Town (what else ...); eventually, lumbering on the Muskegon required higher water and the flats were flooded, ending the post and the village, although the building remained until 1917. The name Lamarandier was hard to pronounce and so it was discarded and the middle name Etiene was corrupted into Aiken. Alex Lamarandier had sons Tom (d. 1931), Jacob, and Robert. Tom's daughter was married to an Alex BROWN and lived near the old post at ___ as late as 1960. [42 TOTEM POLE #2 (2 Feb 1959)] Etienne fathered Alexander Etienne on the Muskegon [Muskegon Lake] in 1810 where he grew to manhood, married a full-blood Odawa, and eventually established a post at Old Womens Bend, two miles below present Newaygo on the Grand Rapids - Pentwater Indian trail. A cluster of 35-40 cabins grew around the post and a Catholic church was built to host monthly services at so-called Indian Town. When lumbering began in the region and it was 'necessary' to dam the river the bring the logs down from the interior, the village flat would be flooded and many of the cabins had to be moved to higher grounds. The LaMORANDIER cabin had clapboards and remained habitable long after most of the others were dillapidated or taken down, and many LaMORANDIERs were born there (Jacob, Robert, Tom Aiken, sons of Alex), although Americans making their way into the area had trouble with the name -- it became Etiene, and then Aiken. The post was torn down in 1917 for a gravel pit. [A Spooner 1975?] Gordan S. Hubbard and Jacques Defrain wintered in 1819 in an abandoned post on Muskegon Lake which likely was the BAILLY / LaMORANDIER site. --- [<1810] [?Alexander] Etienne LAMARANDIER had established a trade post on the Muskegon by 1810 [note: see above] and may have traded into Newaygo Co. {H L Spooner 1954: 4} --- Etienne was still farming near Newaygo in the 1891; had been in employ of or dealing with Antoine Campeau into 1840's {Baxter 1895: 273} --- [1894] "In July, Louis Etienne LAMARANDIER, the oldest Indian in the county, whose home was at the Indian settlement at Old Woman's Bend below Newaygo, was found dead in a sweating place in the woods which he had constructed. He was found under some blankets draped over a wooden framework. He had used hot stones to produce the sweat." {Spooner 1954: 291-292} --- None of this may be on your target, but hope you find it at least semi-interesting. Any & all information about Thaddeus (c1842-1863) is certainly welcome. regards - rdw

Hello...I am confused as why I have been getting mail in my private box from you...and I supposedly your website. I have a native american website also on msn ......but dont undestand this...Can you help me here lol...blessings Annie "James P. LaLone" &lt;jplalone@prodigy.net&gt; wrote: Since I really don't know the language I can't give you translations on the <br>names, but can make a few comments. Most female names end <br>with -quay/qua/que/kwe/guay which can translate as "woman".<br><br>The Ke-she is like "gitchie" meaning great as in big or large or of primary <br>importance - other spelling variations are <br>Kay-che/Kay-she/Kay-zhe//Ke-che/Ke-she/Ke-zhe/Kishi.<br><br>As to being of the same clan, that would be difficult to answer unless each <br>individual has been researched. Originally the small band belonged to the <br>same family or extended family, meeting or gathering a few times a year into <br>the larger bands which would belong to the same clan. However after the <br>white man came in with wars & diseases this was not usually the case. Small <br>units refromed into larger groups, sometimes being related to one degree or <br>another.<br><br>Most bands in the 1850's probably were related! to some degree or another <br>within their tribe or group, ie. most of Pay-Shaw-Se-Gay's band probably <br>were related, however I have never seen a study showing this situation. <br>There are of course tribes getting Fed. recognition which may show <br>relationship with everyone else in the tribe, but how many extend back the <br>base roll of the tribe to see if all are related or not. If you decide to <br>do this I would be very interested in seeing your results.<br>Good luck, Jim.<br><br>----- Original Message ----- <br>From: <RodGreene@aol.com><br>To: <NISHNAWBE-L@rootsweb.com><br>Sent: Monday, February 21, 2005 2:33 PM<br>Subject: Re: [NISHNAWBE] Re: Totems, Clans and Names<br><br><br>> Hi All,<br>><br>> Still working on my stonewall with Josette De Rosier.<br>><br>> Documents I have say that she was a member of Chief Pay Shaw Se Gay's Band <br>> of<br>> Grand River Ottawa where a list of the band is shown in the 1859 Grand <br>> River<br>> Ottawa annuity roll.<br>><br>> The q! uestion I have is this. Would all members of the band be of the same<br>> clan and would tey have the same totem.<br>><br>> Secondly could anyone advise me what the following names meant that appear <br>> on<br>> the above roll and which ones are men or women?.<br>><br>> Ke She Go Pe Nay Se<br>><br>> Mush Ke Aw Naw Quot<br>><br>> Shay An Se No Quay<br>><br>> Thanks for your help.<br>><br>> Rod Greene<br>><br>><br>> ==============================<br>> Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more.<br>> Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: <br>> http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx<br>><br>> <br><br><br><br>==============================<br>Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the<br>last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx<br><br> Blessings , Annie Love. Peace, and Harmony to the lives I touch each day. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term'

Hello...I am confused as why I have been getting mail in my private box from you...and I supposedly your website. I have a native american website also on msn ......but dont undestand this...Can you help me here lol...blessings Annie "James P. LaLone" &lt;jplalone@prodigy.net&gt; wrote: Since I really don't know the language I can't give you translations on the <br>names, but can make a few comments. Most female names end <br>with -quay/qua/que/kwe/guay which can translate as "woman".<br><br>The Ke-she is like "gitchie" meaning great as in big or large or of primary <br>importance - other spelling variations are <br>Kay-che/Kay-she/Kay-zhe//Ke-che/Ke-she/Ke-zhe/Kishi.<br><br>As to being of the same clan, that would be difficult to answer unless each <br>individual has been researched. Originally the small band belonged to the <br>same family or extended family, meeting or gathering a few times a year into <br>the larger bands which would belong to the same clan. However after the <br>white man came in with wars & diseases this was not usually the case. Small <br>units refromed into larger groups, sometimes being related to one degree or <br>another.<br><br>Most bands in the 1850's probably were related! to some degree or another <br>within their tribe or group, ie. most of Pay-Shaw-Se-Gay's band probably <br>were related, however I have never seen a study showing this situation. <br>There are of course tribes getting Fed. recognition which may show <br>relationship with everyone else in the tribe, but how many extend back the <br>base roll of the tribe to see if all are related or not. If you decide to <br>do this I would be very interested in seeing your results.<br>Good luck, Jim.<br><br>----- Original Message ----- <br>From: <RodGreene@aol.com><br>To: <NISHNAWBE-L@rootsweb.com><br>Sent: Monday, February 21, 2005 2:33 PM<br>Subject: Re: [NISHNAWBE] Re: Totems, Clans and Names<br><br><br>> Hi All,<br>><br>> Still working on my stonewall with Josette De Rosier.<br>><br>> Documents I have say that she was a member of Chief Pay Shaw Se Gay's Band <br>> of<br>> Grand River Ottawa where a list of the band is shown in the 1859 Grand <br>> River<br>> Ottawa annuity roll.<br>><br>> The q! uestion I have is this. Would all members of the band be of the same<br>> clan and would tey have the same totem.<br>><br>> Secondly could anyone advise me what the following names meant that appear <br>> on<br>> the above roll and which ones are men or women?.<br>><br>> Ke She Go Pe Nay Se<br>><br>> Mush Ke Aw Naw Quot<br>><br>> Shay An Se No Quay<br>><br>> Thanks for your help.<br>><br>> Rod Greene<br>><br>><br>> ==============================<br>> Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more.<br>> Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: <br>> http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx<br>><br>> <br><br><br><br>==============================<br>Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the<br>last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx<br><br> Blessings , Annie Love. Peace, and Harmony to the lives I touch each day. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Easier than ever with enhanced search. Learn more.

Since I really don't know the language I can't give you translations on the names, but can make a few comments. Most female names end with -quay/qua/que/kwe/guay which can translate as "woman". The Ke-she is like "gitchie" meaning great as in big or large or of primary importance - other spelling variations are Kay-che/Kay-she/Kay-zhe//Ke-che/Ke-she/Ke-zhe/Kishi. As to being of the same clan, that would be difficult to answer unless each individual has been researched. Originally the small band belonged to the same family or extended family, meeting or gathering a few times a year into the larger bands which would belong to the same clan. However after the white man came in with wars & diseases this was not usually the case. Small units refromed into larger groups, sometimes being related to one degree or another. Most bands in the 1850's probably were related to some degree or another within their tribe or group, ie. most of Pay-Shaw-Se-Gay's band probably were related, however I have never seen a study showing this situation. There are of course tribes getting Fed. recognition which may show relationship with everyone else in the tribe, but how many extend back the base roll of the tribe to see if all are related or not. If you decide to do this I would be very interested in seeing your results. Good luck, Jim. ----- Original Message ----- From: <RodGreene@aol.com> To: <NISHNAWBE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 21, 2005 2:33 PM Subject: Re: [NISHNAWBE] Re: Totems, Clans and Names > Hi All, > > Still working on my stonewall with Josette De Rosier. > > Documents I have say that she was a member of Chief Pay Shaw Se Gay's Band > of > Grand River Ottawa where a list of the band is shown in the 1859 Grand > River > Ottawa annuity roll. > > The question I have is this. Would all members of the band be of the same > clan and would tey have the same totem. > > Secondly could anyone advise me what the following names meant that appear > on > the above roll and which ones are men or women?. > > Ke She Go Pe Nay Se > > Mush Ke Aw Naw Quot > > Shay An Se No Quay > > Thanks for your help. > > Rod Greene > > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > >

Hi All, Still working on my stonewall with Josette De Rosier. Documents I have say that she was a member of Chief Pay Shaw Se Gay's Band of Grand River Ottawa where a list of the band is shown in the 1859 Grand River Ottawa annuity roll. The question I have is this. Would all members of the band be of the same clan and would tey have the same totem. Secondly could anyone advise me what the following names meant that appear on the above roll and which ones are men or women?. Ke She Go Pe Nay Se Mush Ke Aw Naw Quot Shay An Se No Quay Thanks for your help. Rod Greene

mii gwech...I will be checking out this book... thanks.. Cindy -------Original Message------- From: RDWinthrop Date: 02/19/05 13:01:51 To: NISHNAWBE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [NISHNAWBE] Re: Totems, Clans and Names >Does anyone know the difference between totems, clans and how a person go their name? > If they were named after an animal, does that mean they were of that clan/totem? Possibly, but not at all necessarily. Historically / traditionally there were different typ[es of names -- birth & deed names were broadly used, names stemming from personal visions generally tightly-held. You're right to first understand what clan / dodem are, and are not. Despite what seems to be a generalized (in some circles) belief that a dodem animal is a personal guardian spirit, it is not. Dodems are kinship groups, equivalent to what we might call clans; among Algonquian peoples they are patrilineal and exogamous (meaning people must marry 'out' of their dodem). "ote / ten" = village; "nind oten / nind odem" = my village; indicates group of people related by kinship, not geographic location or cluster of houses. Thee animal symbols representing individual dodem were used as insignia on grave markers and village poles to indicate kinship groups. This is at the Library of Michigan and well worth reading for its explanation of your question. Schenck, Theresa M. 'The Voice of the Crane Echoes Afar': The Sociopolitical Organization of the Lake Superior Ojibwa, 1640-1855, New York & London: Garland Publishing Co, 1997 regards - rdw ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx