This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: DaveBoylan Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.ireland.tyr.general/7444.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hello Darrell, A 91 page book by David Raymond Elliott called, "Sydare Methodist Cemetery, Magheracross Parish, County Fermanagh," published in 2008, may contain the names of all those buried in the Sydare Methodist Cemetery. One library in Canada and one library in the U.S. own this book, as noted in the WorldCat link at: http://www.worldcat.org/title/sydare-methodist-cemetery-magheracross-parish-county-fermanagh/oclc/463760526 The link shows that the owning library in Canada is the Library and Archives of Canada, in Ontario. In the U.S. the Allen County Public Library, located in Fort Wayne Indiana, also holds a copy of the book as well. What you can do is go to your local public library in SK and ask the librarian if they can obtain David Raymond Elliott's book through inter-library loan from the Archives of Canada, or the Fort Wayne Public Library. I know that my local library in Massachusetts has ordered books from as far away as California (3,000 miles) through WorldCat. Some of the information that your local librarian may need to order the book, other than the title and author, may include: ISBN: 9780978176495 0978176499 OCLC Number: 463760526 Description: 91 p. : col. ill., 1 col. map ; 29 cm. ____ Concerning Robert and Charlotte Loane, I found them and several of their children in the 1901 and 1911 census enumerations of Ireland, living in the townland Cabragh, District Electoral Division (DED) of Drumharvey, County Tyrone. You may already have seen these census returns, but it's from both census enumerations that I located the civil birth indexes for 10 of their children at the Irish Family History Foundation (IFHF) website for County Fermanagh. More on these births later. Also, from the information you provide in your message to Ancestry.com, I uncovered the civil marriage index for Robert Loane and Charlotte "Bleakely." Civil Registration began in Ireland in 1845 when the government began to record Protestant marriages only. Civil Registration of births, marriages, and deaths for all religious denominations commenced in Ireland in 1864. This means that because Robert Loane and Charlotte Bleakley were Methodist Protestants, there would be a civil marriage record for them, as I found they were married after 1844. Below is their marriage index from Ancestry.com. The index shows their marriage recorded in the Irvinestown, County Fermanagh Registration District for the June quarter of 1885. The Irvinestown Registration District, though in Fermanagh, appears to have crossed the border into County Tyrone for the purpose of recording births, marriages, and deaths for certain towns and parishes located on the border. The marriage index follows: Ireland, Civil Registration Marriages Index, 1845-1958 Name: Robert Loane Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1885 Registration district: Irvinestown Volume: 2 Page Number: 131 FHL Film Number: 101255 Records on Page: Names Charlotte Bleakely Robert Loane Source Information: Ancestry.com. Ireland, Civil Registration Marriages Index, 1845-1958 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2011. Original data: "Ireland, Civil Registration Indexes 1845-1958," Index. FamilySearch, Salt Lake City, Utah. General Register Office. "Quarterly Returns of Births in Ireland with Index to Births." Belfast, Ireland. ____ If you do not have the civil marriage record for Robert and Charlotte, you can order it from the General Register Office (GRO) in Roscommon Town, County Roscommon. For information about ordering civil registration birth, marriage, and death records, and for applications forms and cost for the records, go to the GRO website at: www.groireland.ie/ Along with their names and ages, the civil marriage record should include the address where each was living before marriage, Robert's occupation, and the names and occupations of Robert and Charlotte's fathers. The marriage record may also specify whether or not their fathers had been deceased at the time of the marriage in 1885. With the names of their fathers, you may then be able to uncover the individual birth and or baptism ecords for Robert and Charlotte, and possibly the marriage records for their parents. Below are the 1901 and 1911 census transcriptions for the family of Robert and Charlotte Loane in Cabragh, County Tyrone. The enumerations come from the National Archives of Ireland website link at: http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/search/ In the 1911 census you'll see that Robert and Charlotte had been married for 25 years and in that time period had 10 children, with one of those children deceased as of 1911. Following each census transcriptions you'll see a link from the National Archives for copies of the original census enumerations: 1901 Census of Ireland Residents of a house 7 in Cabragh (Drumharvey, Tyrone) Surname Forename Age Sex Relation to head Religion Birthplace Occupation Literacy Irish Language Marital Status Specified Illnesses Loane Robert 48 Male Head of Family Methodist Church Co Tyrone Farmer Read and write Married Loane Charlotte 39 Female Wife Methodist Co Tyrone Read and write Married Loane May 14 Female Daughter Methodist Co Tyrone Scholar Read and write Not Married Loane Lizzie Anne 12 Female Daughter Methodist Co Tyrone Scholar Read and write Not Married Loane Martha Ellen 10 Female Daughter Methodist Co Tyrone Scholar Read and write Not Married Loane John 8 Male Son Methodist Co Tyrone Scholar Read and write Not Married Loane Charlotte Ezabeth 6 Female Daughter Methodist Co Tyrone Scholar Read and write Not Married Loane Letitia Margon 3 Female Daughter Methodist Co Tyrone Scholar Read only Not Married Loane Dorothy West 11 mo Female Daughter Methodist Co Tyrone Cannot read or write ____ http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai001203939/ 1911 Census of Ireland Residents of a house 8 in Cabragh (Drumharvey, Tyrone) Surname Forename Age Sex Relation to head Religion Birthplace Occupation Literacy Irish Language Marital Status Specified Illnesses Years Married Children Born Children Living Loane Robert 58 Male Father Methodist Co ? Farmer Read write Married 25 10 9 Loane Charlotte 49 Female Mother Methodist Co Tyrone Embroidery Agent Read and write Married 25 10 9 Loane Martha E 20 Female Daughter Methodist Co Tyrone Read and write Single Loane John 18 Male Son Methodist Co Tyrone Read and write Single Loane Charlott M 14 Female Daughter Methodist Co Tyrone Scholars Read and write Single Loane Winnifred 9 Female Daughter Methodist Co Tyrone Scholars Read write Single Loane William R A 7 Male Son Methodist Co Tyrone Scholars Read write Single Loane Hermine Rathleen 4 Female Daughter Methodist Co Tyrone Scholars Cannot read Single ____ http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai003453548/ After a few more comments you'll see the civil birth indexes for the 10 children of Robert Loane and Charlotte Bleakley from the Irish Family History Foundation (IFHF) website for County Fermanagh. The names and dates of birth for the children are Mary (1886); Eliza Ann (1888); Martha Ellen (1890); John (1892); Letitia (1894); Charlotte (1897); Dorothe (1900); Sarah (1901); Andrew (1904); and Hermoine K (1906). The births were all recorded in the Trillick (RD), that is Registration District, county Fermanagh. The IFHF homepage can be found at: http://www.rootsireland.ie/ Before accessing indexes at the IFHF you'll first have to register. Registration is free. You'll also be able to access the birth indexes for the Loane children that I did for free, but you will be charged to obtain transcriptions of the births from the IFHF. You'll have to purchase a sufficient amount of credits with a credit card to obtain the transcriptions. The IFHF website has more information about purchasing credits for baptism, as well as birth, marriage, and death or burial transcriptions at: http://www.rootsireland.ie/index.php?id=78 To view a sample of a civil birth record transcription, go to the IFHF website link at: http://www.rootsireland.ie/index.php?id=samplerecords#birth The 10 birth indexes for the Loane children are below: 1 match for the search criteria: Loane (plus variants) Mary 1886 Parish: TRILLICK (RD) Record Type: Baptism/Birth Records for Co. Fermanagh Surname: Loane First Name: Mary Father's Surname: Loane Father's First Name: Robert Mother's Surname: Bleakley Mother's First Name: Charlotte Year: 1886 Parish/District: TRILLICK (RD) ____ 1 match for the search criteria: Loane (plus variants) Eliza Ann 1888 Parish: TRILLICK (RD) Record Type: Baptism/Birth Records for Co. Fermanagh Surname: Loane First Name: Eliza Ann Father's Surname: Loane Father's First Name: Robert Mother's Surname: Bleakley Mother's First Name: Charlotte Year: 1888 Parish/District: TRILLICK (RD) ____ 1 match for the search criteria: Loane (plus variants) Martha Ellen 1890 Parish: TRILLICK (RD) Record Type: Baptism/Birth Records for Co. Fermanagh Surname: Loane First Name: Martha Ellen Father's Surname: Loane Father's First Name: Robert Mother's Surname: Bleakley Mother's First Name: Charlotte Year: 1890 Parish/District: TRILLICK (RD) ____ 1 match for the search criteria: Loane (plus variants) John 1892 Parish: TRILLICK (RD) Record Type: Baptism/Birth Records for Co. Fermanagh Surname: Loane First Name: John Father's Surname: Loane Father's First Name: Robert Mother's Surname: Bleakley Mother's First Name: Charlotte Year: 1892 Parish/District: TRILLICK (RD) ____ 1 match for the search criteria: Loane (plus variants) Letitia 1894 Parish: TRILLICK (RD) Record Type: Baptism/Birth Records for Co. Fermanagh Surname: Loane First Name: Letitia Father's Surname: Loane Father's First Name: Robert Mother's Surname: Bleakley Mother's First Name: Charlotte Year: 1894 Parish/District: TRILLICK (RD) ____ 1 match for the search criteria: Loane (plus variants) Charlotte 1897 Parish: TRILLICK (RD) Record Type: Baptism/Birth Records for Co. Fermanagh Surname: Loane First Name: Charlotte Father's Surname: Loane Father's First Name: Robert Mother's Surname: Bleakley Mother's First Name: Charlotte Year: 1897 Parish/District: TRILLICK (RD) ____ 1 match for the search criteria: Loane (plus variants) Dorothe 1900 Parish: TRILLICK (RD) Record Type: Baptism/Birth Records for Co. Fermanagh Surname: Loane First Name: Dorothe Father's Surname: Loane Father's First Name: Robert Mother's Surname: Bleakley Mother's First Name: Charlotte Year: 1900 Parish/District: TRILLICK (RD) ____ 1 match for the search criteria: Loane (plus variants) Sarah 1901 Parish: TRILLICK (RD) Record Type: Baptism/Birth Records for Co. Fermanagh Surname: Loane First Name: Sarah Father's Surname: Loane Father's First Name: Robert Mother's Surname: Bleakley Mother's First Name: Charlotte Year: 1901 Parish/District: TRILLICK (RD) ____ 1 match for the search criteria: Loane (plus variants) Andrew 1904 Parish: TRILLICK (RD) Record Type: Baptism/Birth Records for Co. Fermanagh Surname: Loane First Name: Andrew Father's Surname: Loane Father's First Name: Robert Mother's Surname: Bleakley Mother's First Name: Charlotte Year: 1904 Parish/District: TRILLICK (RD) ____ 1 match for the search criteria: Loane (plus variants) Hermoine K 1906 Parish: TRILLICK (RD) Record Type: Baptism/Birth Records for Co. Fermanagh Surname: Loane First Name: Hermoine K Father's Surname: Loane Father's First Name: Robert Mother's Surname: Bleakley Mother's First Name: Charlotte Year: 1906 Parish/District: TRILLICK (RD) ____ You can purchase the birth transcriptions individually from 10 different indexes, but that would be tedious. The other option is to purchase the 10 transcriptions from one index. To do this do not include the first names of any of the children in the search engine. In place of the first names, use the % sign as a wild card. Also do not include years of birth for the children. Hence. the IFHF search engine form will look like this: 10 matches for the search criteria: Loane (plus variants) % Parish: TRILLICK (RD) Record Type: Baptism/Birth Records for Co. Fermanagh Surname: Loane First Name: % Father's Surname: Loane Father's First Name: Robert Mother's Surname: Bleakley Mother's First Name: Charlotte Year: Parish/District: TRILLICK (RD) ____ Best Wishes Darrell. If you respond please respond through this format at the Tyrone Message Board, as it will be easier to retrieve any further communications in the future. Dave Boylan Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. 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