This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: 1_brocampbell Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.ireland.tyr.general/7364.3.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Wow! I'd like a JPG and a copy of Sarah A.'s note if you don't mind. I'll send you an e-mail to your profile address. Thanks. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: chercheuse99 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.ireland.tyr.general/7399/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Looking for background on Daniel McNulty, who in 1925 married Catherine McGarvey in Gallon Upper. He probably was born about 1895 in No. Ireland, although he might have come from Scotland (Lanarkshire). He was Catholic, a farm laborer who lived in Tyrone in the 20s/early 30s and might have joined the British Army in the 30s. I've checked the 1901/11 census records, but don't see any definite matches. Daniel's place and date of death are unknown, as are the names of his parents or siblings. I already have background on the McGarveys but would welcome clues about Daniel or his family. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: robinagarwal Surnames: Campbell, O'Neill, McElheny, Harned Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.ireland.tyr.general/7364.3.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Thank you so much for your post. I already have the picture and bio from the source you mentioned -- in fact, I own the original oil painting from which the B&W picture is derived. If you'd like a JPG of it, let me know. I didn't discover the microfilm source, though, so thank you for this tip. According to a local Washington, IN resident, St. Simon's Church still has the Campbell windows. FYI, this same resident also mentioned that the 13-room house James Campbell built (called Harned House, after his son in law who inherited it) is now converted to apartments but still stands. As for his middle initial, my notes say it came to me from recollections of my grandmother (his g-granddaughter-in-law) but I have not seen it anywhere else, so it may be incorrect or at minimum infrequently used. James' birth date and parents' names all came from a handwritten page written by his daughter, Sarah A. (Campbell) Hayes, which was in the possession of my grandmother in 1994. She photocopied it for me (with a note in her handwriting). I have that photocopy, but not the original, which I suspect is gone. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: 1_brocampbell Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.ireland.tyr.general/7364.3/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I've been looking for his parents. Do you have his picture and the biographical paragraph from Biographical History of Eminent andSelf-Made Men of Indiana? Also, a lot of family information is on a microfilm: Family History Library Microfilm 1433377, Items 2-4, Parish Records 1830 - 1921, St. Simon Church, Washington Indiana. In the book History of Daviess County Indiana there is a picture of St. Simon's Church it states, page 203, "Over the principal entrance are two large windows, memorials to the late James Campbell and Sarah Campbell." I'd be interested in knowing where you found his middle initial, birth date and parents' names. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Martin_Loughran Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.ireland.tyr.general/2849.3/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi, Mary I am sorry that I have not been in touch but I had a bad accident & had to have about six operations on my spine & then I got bowel cancer & then Peroated gland cancer. Last year I lost my wife suddenly she was only 54 years old so it's been difficult as she was my carer. This year I had to have my gallbladder removed in March & then in May I had to have the pain pump replaced which ended up badly as I got a small heartattach after the surgery & a couple of infections so instead of three days in hospital I spent a month. In August the pump stopped so I went into full drug withdrawals but they have it going now but the alarm is still not working on it yet. They put me on Morphine while they were sorting out the pump & that stopped my waterworks so after a few tests I now have to have a Prostrate operation on the 26/11/2012 but before that on the 21/11/2012 I have to have a Colonscopy / Gastrophy to keep an eye out incase the cancer returns. You must think I am a whin! ger but God sends us these crosses to bear. I would to see any information that you have on mums side of the family if its no problem, I was her last child & the only one of the 18 born in a hospital, she was such a tough little woman & lived to 96 years old .i remember going up to see Kitty mc Kay & Uncle Ned & Biddy one time which my wife & family when we were home one time. Well I will let you go now. God Bless Martin Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: cbeck1666 Surnames: Dubar, Dubaur, knox, McCrea, Lyon, Kerr, Gailey, Hamilton Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.ireland.tyr.general/206.11.308.339.374.1.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: My current email in 2012 is [email protected] If you wish to contact me, please use this email as the other one does not work. or here is my phone: 641 333 2537 Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: AnnetteCode Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.ireland.tyr.general/7387.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I wondered as you have posted on an Irish message board. You might get better results on a US message board and particularily a Co. Virginia one. Unlikely to get help unless someone just stumbles on it. Annette Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: DaveBoylan Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.ireland.tyr.general/7397.2.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hello again Julie, While I can't answer your first question about why children or grandchildren were not named after Isabella, I can show why I didn't uncover the birth or baptism indexes for John and Joseph Hughes who are found with their mother Isabella in the 1901 census for Coalisland, Tyrone. I'll begin with Joseph: When searching the IFHF website for the children of James Hughes and Isabella Rooney, I never tried variant spellings of their surnames in the search engine, as the IFHF search does a pretty good job of coming up with Soundex variants of a person's surname. For Soundex see: http://www.archives.gov/research/census/soundex.html But, this doesn't happen in every case with the IFHF search engine. In looking for Joseph Hughes today, I expanded the search for his birth or baptism outside the IFHF, and went to the Latter Day Saints (LDS) website at: https://www.familysearch.org/#form=advanced-records At the LDS website I uncovered a civil birth index for a Joseph Hughes, son of James Hughes and Isbaella Hughes Ronan. Joseph's birth was recorded in Coalisland, Tyrone, on 17 February 1877: "Ireland, Births and Baptisms, 1620-1881," Joseph Hughes, 1877 name: Joseph Hughes gender: Male baptism/christening date: baptism/christening place: birth date: 17 Feb 1877 birthplace: Tyrone, Ireland death date: name note: race: father's name: James Hughes father's birthplace: Coalisland father's age: mother's name: Isabella Hughes Ronan mother's birthplace: mother's age: indexing project (batch) number: C00613-7 system origin: Ireland-EASy reference number: v 1-2 p 597 source film number: 255969 Collection: "Ireland, Births and Baptisms, 1620-1881," Joseph Hughes, 1877 https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FGFF-LXX Citing this Record "Ireland, Births and Baptisms, 1620-1881," index, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FGFF-LXX : accessed 12 Nov 2012), Joseph Hughes, 17 Feb 1877; citing reference v 1-2 p 597, FHL microfilm 255969. ____ Joseph's civil birth record can be found in LDS microfilm number 255969. You can order this film from your nearest Family History Center. I then went back to the IFHF search engine to see if I could find the birth or baptism index for Joseph Hughes, son of James Hughes and Isbaella/Isabell/Bella Ronan. The search engine did not accept Ronan as Isabell's maiden name, nor of course did it accept Rooney. But it did produce a baptism index without Isabell's maiden surname: 1 match for the search criteria: Hughes (plus variants) Joseph 1877 Parish: COALISLAND (RC) Record Type: Baptism/Birth Records for Co. Tyrone Surname: Hughes First Name: Joseph Father's Surname: Hughes Father's First Name: James Mother's Surname: Mother's First Name: Isabell Year: 1877 Parish/District: Parish: COALISLAND (RC) ____ It may be that Isabell's maiden name is not listed in the baptism record for Joseph, or was not transcribed properly. You would have to order Joseph's 1877 Coalisland baptism transcription from the IFHF for Tyrone, to see if there is a maiden name for Isabell in the baptism record. Knowing that Ronan was one of the names that might be a variant of Rooney, I next looked for the baptism of John Hughes, son of James Hughes and Isabella/Isabell/Bella Ronan, and found it. The index shows that John was baptized in the Coalisland Catholic Church in 1863, which is the year after the marriage of his parents. His mother's name is listed as Isabell Ronan: 1 match for the search criteria: Hughes (plus variants) John 1863 Parish: COALISLAND (RC) Record Type: Baptism/Birth Records for Co. Tyrone Surname: Hughes First Name: John Father's Surname: Hughes Father's First Name: James Mother's Surname: Ronan Mother's First Name: Isabell Year: 1863 Parish/District: Parish: COALISLAND (RC) ____ In my first reply, you saw that I uncovered a Clonoe baptism index for Anne Hughes. Her baptism index was recorded in 1872. But, as with some of the other Hughes children however, I didn't find a Coalisland baptism index for her. I've reproduced Anne's Clonoe Catholic Church baptism index just below for easy access: 1 match for the search criteria: Hughes (plus variants) Anne 1872 Parish: CLONOE (RC) Record Type: Baptism/Birth Records for Co. Tyrone Surname: Hughes First Name: Anne Father's Surname: Hughes Father's First Name: James Mother's Surname: Rooney Mother's First Name: Isabell Year: 1872 Parish/District: Parish: CLONOE (RC) ____ This time, I looked for Anne's Coalisland baptism index with the alternate maiden name of Ronan for her mother. The IFHF search engine accepted Isabella Ronan as her mother, but not Isabella Rooney. The index follows: 1 match for the search criteria: Hughes (plus variants) Anne 1872 Parish: COALISLAND (RC) Record Type: Baptism/Birth Records for Co. Tyrone Surname: Hughes First Name: Anne Father's Surname: Hughes Father's First Name: James Mother's Surname: Ronan Mother's First Name: Isabella Year: 1872 Parish/District: Parish: COALISLAND (RC) ____ Also in my first reply, I had found an 1868 Clonoe Catholic Church baptism index for William Hughes, which is reproduced just below: 1 match for the search criteria: Hughes (plus variants) William 1868 Parish: CLONOE (RC) Record Type: Baptism/Birth Records for Co. Tyrone Surname: Hughes First Name: William Father's Surname: Hughes Father's First Name: James Mother's Surname: Rooney Mother's First Name: Isabell Year: 1868 Parish/District: Parish: CLONOE (RC) ____ Thanks to your question Julie, I also found William's IFHF baptism index recorded in Coalisland in which his mother is listed as Isabella Ronan: 1 match for the search criteria: Hughes (plus variants) William 1868 Parish: COALISLAND (RC) Record Type: Baptism/Birth Records for Co. Tyrone Surname: Hughes First Name: William Father's Surname: Hughes Father's First Name: James Mother's Surname: Ronan Mother's First Name: Isabella Year: 1868 Parish/District: Parish: COALISLAND (RC) ____ Going back to my first reply again, you saw the 1862 marriage index for James Hughes and Isabella Rooney, recorded in the Coalisland Catholic Church: 1 match for the search criteria: Hughes (plus variants) James 1862 Parish: COALISLAND (RC) Record Type: Marriage Records for Co. Tyrone Surname: Hughes First Name: James Spouse's Surname: Rooney Spouse's First Name: Isabella Father's Surname: Father's First Name: Mother's Surname: Mother's First Name: Year: 1862 Parish/District: Parish: COALISLAND (RC) ____ I looked for this marriage again with Isabella's maiden name spelled Ronan, but didn't find it. But, I then typed in Roonan for her maiden name, which the search engine did accept: Record Type: Marriage Records for Co. Tyrone Surname: Hughes First Name: James Spouse's Surname: Roonan Spouse's First Name: Isabella Father's Surname: Father's First Name: Mother's Surname: Mother's First Name: Year: 1862 Parish/District: Parish: COALISLAND (RC) ____ This shows you can't always count on genealogical search engines to come up with all variants of a surname or maiden name, though, as noted earlier, the IFHF search engine generally does a pretty good job with alternate surnames and maiden names. Except for Joseph, all of the indexes for the Hughes children that I found refer to either Coalisland or Clonoe baptisms. Going back to the LDS website, I found the civil birth indexes for Mary Hughes (1865); Ann Jane Hughes (1872); and James Hughes (1873). The birth index for Mary lists her parents as James Hughes and Isabella Rooney. The birth index for Ann Jane lists her parents as James Hughes and Isabella Ronan, while the birth index for James Hughes lists his parents as James Hughes and Isabella Rooney. If you want these LDS indexes, please let me know, so that you can order the civil birth records for these children. Civil birth records are held by the General Register Office (GRO) in Roscommon Town, County Roscommon. See: www.groireland.ie/ You may be wondering, as I am, whether it's possible or coincidental, that two men named James Hughes, married two different women named Isabella, one a Rooney, and one a Ronan, in the same year, in Coalisland, Tyrone, and had children born or baptized to them in the same years in Coalisland and Clonoe. I suppose that's possible. But I don't know how likely that would be. But, coincidences do exist. Earlier in the reply you saw the 1868 Coalisland and Clonoe baptism indexes for William Hughes. The Clonoe baptism gives his mother's name as Isabel Rooney, while the Coalisland baptism refers to his mother as Isabella Ronan. When at the LDS website, I found another civil birth index for a William Hughes, recorded in Coalisland on 12 May 1868. While his father's name is listed as James Hughes, his mother Isabella's maiden name is listed as Mcwhinney. I also found this William's 1868 Coalisland baptism index at the IFHF for County Tyrone, showing his father was James Hughes and mother Isabella McWhinney. The IFHF index follows: Record Type: Baptism/Birth Records for Co. Tyrone Surname: Hughes First Name: William Father's Surname: Hughes Father's First Name: James Mother's Surname: McWhinney Mother's First Name: Isabella Year: 1868 Parish/District: Parish: COALISLAND (RC) ____ But, as you will see below, the marriage of James Hughes and Isabella McWhinney was recorded in the Dungannon Registration District (RD) in 1853: 1 match for the search criteria: Hughes (plus variants) James 1853 Parish: DUNGANNON (RD) Record Type: Marriage Records for Co. Tyrone Surname: Hughes First Name: James Spouse's Surname: McWhinney Spouse's First Name: Isabella Father's Surname: Father's First Name: Mother's Surname: Mother's First Name: Year: 1853 Parish/District: Parish: DUNGANNON (RD) ____ Concerning the different spellings of Isbaella's name in the baptism and birth records of her children, I would guess that there were two different priests, one for the Coalisland Catholic Church, and one for the Clonoe Catholic Church, who penned her name in the baptism records. If she had given her nickname Bella to one of the priests, he may have spelled her full first name, rather than using her nickname, to be more formal about it. But again, that's just a guess. Concerning the two Patrick Hackett's in Griffiths Valuation, you are correct in that these two men may have been a cousin or uncle to your Patrick who immigrated to the U.S. with his family circa 1840. I located the people who may be your Patrick and Mary "Hacket" and six of their children in the 1850 census, living in Orange, Iona County, Michigan, where Patrick was a farmer. I believe you already have this census however. Thank you for writing Julie. With Kind Regards, Dave Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: KimMyers62 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.ireland.tyr.general/7387.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Likely but unknown Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: AnnetteCode Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.ireland.tyr.general/7386.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Connection to Ireland? Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: AnnetteCode Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.ireland.tyr.general/7387.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Connection to Ireland? Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: AnnetteCode Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.ireland.tyr.general/7382.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Dunbreen and Tattynure were townlands in the Union of Omagh and in the Parish of Cappagh. Most genealogy services, there are two for Tyrone being Northern Ireland: www.emeraldancestors.com An Irish History Foundation: does not have Cappagh specifically but does have close by towns with RC record but none later than 1900. Ballygawley 1847-1900 RC Pomeroy 1837-1900 RC Termonmagurk/Carrickmore 1834-1837 RC CofI Sixmilecross b.1836-1871 m:1836-1900 The hamlet of Galbally is 1 m. East. After reading what you have between the McCutcheon and McFarland's I'm sure you are right that there is a connection. Parish of Cappagh: [email protected] Diocese of Derry You could try writing to both names from Canadian Telephone 411. It will tell you how many and where, full addresses provided. There are 9 McFarland's in the Cappagh-Dungannon area Tyrone Ballygawley, Six Mile Cross. No McCutcheon's. Look for the Irish Civil Registration Record Indexes, LDS 1845-1958 on www.familysearch.org scroll down the left hand side of page to UK/Ireland, then close to top is Ireland (6)click on that and see the Index. Annette Code Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: 7eah1 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.ireland.tyr.general/7397.2.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi again Dave, There are a couple things puzzle me: 1. Isabella is a name I never would've recognized as the wife of James Hughes as there are no children or grandchildren that I have come across with that name. I find that very unusual. Perhaps she wasn't well loved??? 2. In the 1901 Census I find a household in Coalisland, with Isabella Hughes, age 56 and widowed, living with son John Hughes,(age 35 and also widowed with 2 young children). Do you see any record of his birth? Also living in the household is son James Hughes who you found for me)and son Joseph Hughes (age 22) whose birth record I have not uncovered either. 3. Isabella is listed as "cannot read or write" so perhaps this is why records have her name with variable spellings in the records (she may not have been able to provide the correct spelling?) 4. Hackett side (Leitrim Co) I also had looked at Griffiths Valuation but understand that these records were collected between 1848 and 1864. Patrick Hackett, wife Mary Stanton and children emigrated from Ireland around 1840 to the USA eventually settling in Michigan, USA. I have searched and searched for the ship they came on to no avail. I am not sure what Port they left from or what Port in the USA they arrived at. Of course, the information you uncovered at a Patrick Hackett was probably a cousin or uncle etc. given the proximity. Any other hints would be sincerely appreciated! Thank you, Julie Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: maryoaks49 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.ireland.tyr.general/7392.2.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: thought these two might be of interest. groom's name: John Bailey bride's name: Margaret Mc Laughlin bride's birth date: 1838 bride's age: 17 marriage date: 05 Jul 1855 marriage place: Upper Badoney, Tyr, Ire groom's father's name: John Bailey bride's father's name: Alexr. Mc Laughlin indexing project (batch) number: M70212-6 system origin: Ireland-VR source film number: 101367 groom's name: John Bailey bride's name: Catherine Mclaughlin marriage date: 10 Apr 1856 marriage place: Lower Badoney, Tyr, Ire groom's father's name: John Bailey bride's father's name: John Mclaughlin indexing project (batch) number: M70214-6 system origin: Ireland-VR source film number: 101377 Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: elwynsoutter1 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.ireland.tyr.general/7392.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: John Bailey's marriage to Catherine M'Laughlin was registered in Gortin, Co Tyrone 1856 Volume 6, page 129. If you get a copy of that marriage cert it should give you some addresses, fathers names and occupations etc with which to progress your research. Tradition was to marry in the bride's church. So that would be the place to look for Catherine's baptism and that of any siblings. (The church will be on the marriage cert). Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: DaveBoylan Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.ireland.tyr.general/7397.2.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: You're welcome Julie and many thanks for your generous reply. Write back anytime. Best of Luck, Dave Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: 7eah1 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.ireland.tyr.general/7397.1.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Many thanks for your contribution to my search! Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: 7eah1 Surnames: Hughes & Hackett Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.ireland.tyr.general/7397.2.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Dear Dave, I am overwhelmed by the amount of time you have spent and the information you have supplied to me!!! I am going to print all of this off and go over all of it very carefully. Some of your references I am familiar with as I had encountered it in my research. Most is new to me and I am very excited to go over it. Thank you so very much and I may have to be back in touch for some clarifications. Best, Julie Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: 7eah1 Surnames: Hackett and Leitrim Co Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.ireland.tyr.general/7397.1.1.1.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Patrick Hackett (b - 1800, d 1861)and wife Mary Stanton came from Leitrim about 1840 (- 2 years). They brought a number of children with them (one born on the boat) Brother Peter and (b 1810 d 1892) came earlier, maybe 1832 to USA as did brother Barnerd Hackett Thank you for anything you can find. All three brothers settled in Michigan Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: DaveBoylan Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.ireland.tyr.general/7397.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hello Julie, In your message you didn't mention the names of the parents of James Hughes, as they would be his immediate ancestors. In any case, based on the information you provided about him, I located James's birth index at the Latter Day Saints (LDS) website at: https://www.familysearch.org/#form=advanced-records The birth index shows that James was born on 3 September 1873 in "Coal Island", Tyrone. It also shows his parents were James Hughes and Isabella Rooney. The index is below: "Ireland, Births and Baptisms, 1620-1881," James Hughes, 1873 name: James Hughes gender: Male baptism/christening date: baptism/christening place: COAL ISLAND, TYR, IRE. birth date: 03 Sep 1873 birthplace: Coal Island, Tyr, Ire. death date: name note: race: father's name: James Hughes father's birthplace: father's age: mother's name: Isabella Rooney mother's birthplace: mother's age: indexing project (batch) number: C39575-5 system origin: Ireland-VR reference number: p 558 no 81 source film number: 255883 = Quarterly returns of births in Ireland, 1864-1955. Collection: "Ireland, Births and Baptisms, 1620-1881," James Hughes, 1873 https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/F5J8-4JD Citing this Record "Ireland, Births and Baptisms, 1620-1881," index, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/F5J8-4JD : accessed 09 Nov 2012), James Hughes, 03 Sep 1873; citing reference p 558 no 81, FHL microfilm 255883. ____ James's birth record can be found in LDS microfilm number 255883. The microfilm can be ordered from your local Family History Center. The above refers to a civil registration birth. James's birth record will provide additional information such as where the family were living when he was born, and his father's occupation. Civil registration began in Ireland in 1845 when the government recorded Protestant marriages only. Civil registration of births, marriages, and deaths for all religious denomination commenced in 1864, which means there would not be birth records for James's Parents, James Hughes and Isabella Rooney. But there could be baptism records for them. More on that later. Concerning baptisms, I found two 1873 baptism indexes for the younger James Hughes at the Irish Family History Foundation (IFHF) website for County Tyrone. One of the indexes has him baptized in the Coalisland Catholic Church,.The other index has his baptism recorded in the Clonloe Catholic Church. The Coalisland baptism shows his parents were James Hughes and Isabella Rooney, while the Clonoe baptism index gives his parents' names as James Hughes and "Bella" Rooney. I'm not sure why his baptism was registered in two different churches, though the churches were located not far from one another. Clonoe is a village just east of Coalisland. Both indexes follow: 1 match for the search criteria: Hughes (plus variants) James 1873 Parish: COALISLAND (RC) Record Type: Baptism/Birth Records for Co. Tyrone Surname: Hughes First Name: James Spouse's Surname: Hughes Spouse's First Name: James Father's Surname: Rooney Father's First Name: Isabella Year: 1873 Parish/District: Parish: COALISLAND (RC) AND 1 match for the search criteria: Hughes (plus variants) James 1873 Parish: CLONOE (RC) Record Type: Baptism/Birth Records for Co. Tyrone Surname: Hughes First Name: James Spouse's Surname: Hughes Spouse's First Name: James Father's Surname: Rooney Father's First Name: Bella Year: 1873 Parish/District: Parish: CLONOE (RC) ____ I then uncovered the IFHF marriage index for James Hughes and Isabella Rooney. The index shows the marriage took place in the Clonoe Catholic Church in 1862. The index follows: 1 match for the search criteria: Hughes (plus variants) James 1862 Parish: COALISLAND (RC) Record Type: Marriage Records for Co. Tyrone Surname: Hughes First Name: James Spouse's Surname: Rooney Spouse's First Name: Isabella Father's Surname: Father's First Name: Mother's Surname: Mother's First Name: Year: 1862 Parish/District: Parish: COALISLAND (RC) ____ The marriage transcription from the IFHF website will probably not tell you who the parents of James and Isabella were. But you may want to order the transcription to find out for sure. There will not be a civil marriage index for James and Isabella. Next I found the baptism indexes for five more children of James Hughes and Isabella Rooney. These children are Mary (1865); William (1868); Margaret (1870); Anne (1872); and Charles (1875). The baptisms for Mary, Margaret, and Charles were recorded in both the Coalisland and Clonoe Catholic Churches. You'll notice in these indexes that Isabella's first name is not spelled the same in every case. You'll see her name is spelled Isabella, Isabell, and Bella. To access these indexes make sure to spell Isabella's name the way it appears in each index, or the IFHF search engine will reject your results, and you will not be able to order the baptism transcriptions. Please see below: 1 match for the search criteria: Hughes (plus variants) Mary 1865 Parish: COALISLAND (RC) Record Type: Baptism/Birth Records for Co. Tyrone Surname: Hughes First Name: Mary Father's Surname: Hughes Father's First Name: James Mother's Surname: Rooney Mother's First Name: Isabella Year: 1865 Parish/District: Parish: COALISLAND (RC) AND 1 match for the search criteria: Hughes (plus variants) Mary 1865 Parish: CLONOE (RC) Record Type: Baptism/Birth Records for Co. Tyrone Surname: Hughes First Name: Mary Father's Surname: Hughes Father's First Name: James Mother's Surname: Rooney Mother's First Name: Isabella Year: 1865 Parish/District: Parish: CLONOE (RC) ____ 1 match for the search criteria: Hughes (plus variants) William 1868 Parish: CLONOE (RC) Record Type: Baptism/Birth Records for Co. Tyrone Surname: Hughes First Name: William Father's Surname: Hughes Father's First Name: James Mother's Surname: Rooney Mother's First Name: Isabell Year: 1868 Parish/District: Parish: CLONOE (RC) ____ 1 match for the search criteria: Hughes (plus variants) Margaret 1870 Parish: COALISLAND (RC) Record Type: Baptism/Birth Records for Co. Tyrone Surname: Hughes First Name: Margaret Father's Surname: Hughes Father's First Name: James Mother's Surname: Rooney Mother's First Name: Bella Year: 1870 Parish/District: Parish: COALISLAND (RC) AND 1 match for the search criteria: Hughes (plus variants) Margaret 1870 Parish: CLONOE (RC) Record Type: Baptism/Birth Records for Co. Tyrone Surname: Hughes First Name: Margaret Father's Surname: Hughes Father's First Name: James Mother's Surname: Rooney Mother's First Name: Isabella Year: 1870 Parish/District: Parish: CLONOE (RC) ____ 1 match for the search criteria: Hughes (plus variants) Anne 1872 Parish: CLONOE (RC) Record Type: Baptism/Birth Records for Co. Tyrone Surname: Hughes First Name: Anne Father's Surname: Hughes Father's First Name: James Mother's Surname: Rooney Mother's First Name: Isabell Year: 1872 Parish/District: Parish: CLONOE (RC) ____ 1 match for the search criteria: Hughes (plus variants) Charles 1875 Parish: COALISLAND (RC) Record Type: Baptism/Birth Records for Co. Tyrone Surname: Hughes First Name: Charles Father's Surname: Hughes Father's First Name: James Mother's Surname: Rooney Mother's First Name: Bella Year: 1875 Parish/District: Parish: COALISLAND (RC) AND 1 match for the search criteria: Hughes (plus variants) Charles 1875 Parish: CLONOE (RC) Record Type: Baptism/Birth Records for Co. Tyrone Surname: Hughes First Name: Charles Father's Surname: Hughes Father's First Name: James Mother's Surname: Rooney Mother's First Name: Bella Year: 1875 Parish/District: Parish: CLONOE (RC) ____ The IFHF homepage can be found at: http://www.rootsireland.ie/ Before accessing indexes at the IFHF you'll first have to register. Registration is free. You'll also be able to access the indexes that I did for free, but you will be charged to obtain the baptism and marriage transcriptions. You'll have to purchase credits with a credit card to obtain the transcriptions The IFHF website will have more information about purchasing credits for baptism, as well as birth, marriage, and death or burial transcriptions. Earlier you saw the 1873 LDS civil birth index for James Hughes. I also found the civil birth index for Mary Hughes. This too shows her birth recorded in Coalisland. Her date of birth is 9 November 1865. The index follows: "Ireland, Births and Baptisms, 1620-1881," Mary Hughes, 1865 name: Mary Hughes gender: Female baptism/christening date: baptism/christening place: birth date: 09 Nov 1865 birthplace: 0869,COALISLAND,TYRONE,IRELAND death date: name note: race: father's name: James Hughes father's birthplace: father's age: mother's name: Isabella Rooney mother's birthplace: mother's age: indexing project (batch) number: C70126-7 system origin: Ireland-ODM reference number: source film number: 101115 = Quarterly returns of births in Ireland, 1864-1955 Collection: "Ireland, Births and Baptisms, 1620-1881," Mary Hughes, 1865 https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/F55H-4YL Citing this Record "Ireland, Births and Baptisms, 1620-1881," index, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/F55H-4YL : accessed 09 Nov 2012), Mary Hughes, 09 Nov 1865; citing reference , FHL microfilm 101115. ____ Mary's birth record can be found in LDS microfilm number 101115, which you can order from your local Family History Center. Julie, if you do not want to order the microfilms containing the birth records of James and Mary Hughes, you can order their birth records, as well as the birth records of their siblings, from the General Register Office (GRO), located in Roscommon Town, County Roscommon. For information and costs for civil birth, marriage and death records, go to the GRO website at: http://www.groireland.ie/ Next I wanted to see if I could find IFHF baptism indexes for the older James Hughes recorded in the Coalisland or Clonoe Catholic Churches. I figured that if he and Isabella had been married in 1862, his would have likely been born 17 to 25 years before his marriage. And so I looked for his baptism for the year 1842 plus and minus five years. The indexes show there are four baptisms recorded in Clonoe for a James Hughes during that time period, but only one recorded in the Coalisland Catholic Church for the same time period. However, without knowing the names of his father and mother, it would just be a guess as to which, if any of the five indexes pertains to your James Hughes, as he may have been baptized in a parish outside of Coalisland and Clonoe. In addition, I didn't find a baptism index for anyone named Isabella, Isabell, or Bella Rooney in Clonoe, Coalisland, or any other parish in County Tyrone. If Isabella had been born in Tyrone, her baptism may have taken place in a church whose records do not exist anymore, or she may have been baptized in a church whose parish registers have not been indexed and transcribed by the IFHF. If you ever find out who James's and Isabella's parents were, please let me know and I'll see what other information I can find. Concerning Annie Quinn, I didn't have enough information to look for records concerning her and her ancestors. THE HACKETT AND STANTON LINE I notice in your Atack Family Tree at Ancestry.com that you have ancestors named Hackett and Stanton, specifically Bernard Hackett, son of Patrick Hackett and Mary Stanton of County Leitrim. I went to the IFHF website for County Leitrim to look for Bernard's baptism index and found it. The index shows that Bernard was baptized in the Bornacoola Catholic Church in 1837. His parents are listed as Patrick Hackett and Mary Stanton. The IFHF search engine will also accept Staunton as the spelling of Mary's maiden name, but I've kept the spelling Stanton in the index, which follows: 1 match for the search criteria: Hacket (plus variants) Bernard 1837 Parish: BORNACOOLA ROMAN CATHOLIC (RC) Record Type: Baptism/Birth Records for Co. Leitrim Surname: Hackett First Name: Bernard Father's Surname: Hackett Father's First Name: patrick Mother's Surname: Stanton Mother's First Name: mary Year: 1837 Parish/District: Parish: BORNACOOLA ROMAN CATHOLIC (RC) ____ I also found the 1834 baptism index for Bridget Hackett and the 1839 baptism index for Margaret Hackett, both christened in the Bornacoola, Leitrim, Catholic Church: 1 match for the search criteria: Hackett (plus variants) Bridget 1834 Parish: BORNACOOLA ROMAN CATHOLIC (RC) Record Type: Baptism/Birth Records for Co. Leitrim Surname: Hackett First Name: Bridget Father's Surname: Hackett Father's First Name: Patrick Mother's Surname: Stanton Mother's First Name: mary Year: 1834 Parish/District: Parish: BORNACOOLA ROMAN CATHOLIC (RC) ____ 1 match for the search criteria: Hackett (plus variants) Margaret 1839 Parish: BORNACOOLA ROMAN CATHOLIC (RC) Record Type: Baptism/Birth Records for Co. Leitrim Surname: Hackett First Name: Margaret Father's Surname: Hackett Father's First Name: patrick Mother's Surname: Stanton Mother's First Name: Mary Year: 1839 Parish/District: Parish: BORNACOOLA ROMAN CATHOLIC (RC) ____ I then uncovered the 1827 marriage index for Patrick Hackett and Mary Stanton in the Bornacoola Catholic Church: 1 match for the search criteria: Hackett (plus variants) Patrick 1827 Parish: BORNACOOLA ROMAN CATHOLIC (RC) Record Type: Marriage Records for Co. Leitrim Surname: Hackett First Name: Patrick Spouse's Surname: Stanton Spouse's First Name: Mary Father's Surname: Father's First Name: Mother's Surname: Mother's First Name: Year: 1827 Parish/District: Parish: BORNACOOLA ROMAN CATHOLIC (RC) ____ Bornacoola was located in the Civil Parish of Mohill. To read a Wikipedia article about Bornacoola, go to: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bornacoola Once at the Wikipedia article, you'll notice a list of townlands situated in the Civil parish of Mohill, including Bornacoola. We'll come back to two of these townlands a little later. The Wiki article also shows the name of the Catholic Church in Bornacoola is called St. Michael's. This is likely the church where the Hackett children were baptized and where Patrick and Mary were married. To see Bornacoola on a Google Map of County Leitrim, go to: http://tinyurl.com/ck2guef Once at the map, you'll see a zoom-in/zoom-out gage in the upper left-hand corner. Just above the sign you'll see a little man. He is called a peg-man. With your mouse and cursor drag the peg man just to the letter A pointing to Bornacoola. Once at the letter A with the peg-man, you'll notice a pop-up photo appear. Once you see the photo, let go of the mouse and a large image of Bornacoola will appear. You'll now be able to take a virtual tour near the townland where your ancestors were baptized and married. Keep in mind Julie that while your ancestors may have married and may have been baptized in Bornacoola, they necessarily did not live there, but may have lived in one of the surrounding townlands. I found information that indicates the Patrick did not actually live in Bornacoola, at least not after 1856. This information comes from an Irish property tax record called Griffiths Valuation. Griffiths Valuation was enumerated in the 32 counties of Ireland between 1847 and 1864. The valuation for Leitrim was completed by 1857. Griffiths Valuation shows two entries for a man named Patrick Hackett leasing property in two townlands named Keelah and Rooskynamona. These entries may pertain to the same Patrick Hackett, or perhaps a father and son or uncle and nephew. If you go back to the Wikipedia article for Bornacoola to the section where it lists the townlands, you'll see that Keelah and Rooskynamona are listed along with Bornacoola as being located in the Civil Parish of Mohill. Getting back to Griffiths Valuation, unlike a census this valuation did not record family members. Those named in the valuation were the people who leased property. Each person who paid to lease the property was called an "Occupier." The other person listed in Griffiths Valuation was the person who owned the property, or who worked as the middleman for the owner of the property. This person was called the "Immediate Lessor." You can access Griffiths Valuation for free at the Ask About Ireland website link at: http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/ The Griffiths Valuation entry below is for Patrick Hackett leasing property in the townland of Keelagh: No. and Letters of Reference to Map: 1a Civil Parish: Mohill Townland: Keelagh Occupier: Patrick Hackett Immediate Lessor: Rev. Thomas Jones Description of Tenement: House, offices, and land Area of Land: 21 Acres: 3 Roods: 9 Perches: Rateable Annual Valuation of Land: 9 Pounds, 10 Shillings Rateable Annual Valuation of Buildings: 10 Shillings Total Annual Valuation of Rateable Propterty: 10 Pounds ____ Griffiths Valuation shows that Patrick Hackett leased a house, "offices," and land from the Rev. Thomas Jones, who was probably a clergyman of the Church of Ireland. The land was over 21 acres in size and valued at 9 Pounds and 10 Shillings, while the house was valued at 10 Shillings. The total valuation for the leasehold was 10 Pounds. Patrick would have paid a percentage of the value toward the tax. An office in a Griffiths Valuation could refer to any type of outbuilding, such as a barn, stable, blacksmith shop, etc. The Map No. 1a at the top of the entry refers to an Ordnance Survey Map from the time period showing where Patrick's leased was situated within the townland of Keelagh. If you access this Griffiths Valuation page you'll see at Map reference No. 18 that an Edward Staunton leased land with a John Hackett and others from the Rev. Jones. The Edward "Staunton" may have been related to your Mary Stanton. Next is the second Griffiths Valuation entry for Patrick Hackett leasing property in Rooskynamona, County Leitrim: No. and Letters of Reference to Map: 23b Civil Parish: Mohill Townland: Rooskynamona Occupier: Patrick Hackett Immediate Lessor: Henry Conboy Description of Tenement: House and garden Area of Land: 0 Acres: 2 Roods: 0 Perches: Rateable Annual Valuation of Land: 5 Shillings Rateable Annual Valuation of Buildings: 5 Shillings Total Annual Valuation of Rateable Propterty: 10 Shillings ____ This valuation shows Patrick Hackett leasing a house and garden at map reference number 23b from Henry Conboy. The garden was 2 roods in size and valued at 5 Shillings, while the house was also valued at 5 Shillings. The total valuation was 10 Shillings. Patrick would not have paid a tax on this property as only those leaseholds valued over 5 Pounds were taxed. If you access this page of Griffiths Valuation for Rooskynamona, you'll see at Map reference No 1a that a Peter Hackett leased a house, land, and bog, from the Earl of Leitrim. Next, go to the Google Map for Rooskynamona at: http://tinyurl.com/b46cp3g Once at the map go to the left-hand margin to the prompts highlighted in blue for "Directions, Search nearby, more." Click on Directions. In the A box type in Keelagh, County Leitrim, then click on "Get Directions." On the map that follows you'll see that Keelagh and Rooskynamona are 1.4 kilometers distant from one another. This is a little over 8/10ths of a mile, well within walking distance between the two leaseholds in the Griffiths Valuation entries for Patrick Hackett. Kind Regards Julie, Dave Boylan Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.