This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Calcuttacalling Surnames: McGeagh Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.ireland.tyr.general/590.624.3.4.1.1.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi Peggy, I think we might be a generation out. My 3x great grandmother was a Margaret McGeagh born in 1798 in Tyrone, N.I. died 1848 in Cookstown. She had 2 daughters that I have found so far, Sarah b. 1822 approx and Margaret born 1826 approx in Cookstown, Co. Tyrone. Margaret McGeagh No. 1 was married to John McGeagh of Cookstown who died in 1885. He was a Grocer and Linen manufacturer and Flax merchant see links below. My tree isn't set up yet properly but will try and organise shortly for you to have a look to see if we have McGeagh's in common. Doesn't help that they all have the same names! I haven't come across any Knipes yet in my tree. 1824. Cookstown Pigot's Directory http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~cotyroneireland/trade/cookstown1824.html M'Geagh John grocer M'Geagh Robert grocer M'Geagh Robert woollen draper SLATER's DIRECTORY 1846 http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~cotyroneireland/slaterscookstown.html Linen Manufacturer, Flax Merchant & Grocer M'Geagh John, all in William st Happy searching. Thanks for links to your tree. Haven't had a mo' to look yet but surely will. I expect somewhere way back when we have a link. all the best Belinda. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.
This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: pbgish Surnames: McGeagh, Knipe Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.ireland.tyr.general/590.624.3.4.1.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: It is possible we have the same McGeaghs. Mr Gr Gr Grandmother was Margaret Mcgeagh, b 1814, her Father i believe is a John, of Coolreaghs and Unagh. She married Thomas Knipe. I have my tree on ancestry.com , called MERGED AUG.4.2012 my user name is pbgish Do you a tree which I can view? I have no documentation for my McGeagh, what records or docs do you have? Thank you, Peggy Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.
This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: pmackle49 Surnames: McHugh Classification: census Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.ireland.tyr.general/2115.3/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Found this on 1911 census hope it is the right family Residents of a house No13 Seskinore McHugh Patrick 60. Head. Of family RC Agricultural Labourer Single Read/write McHugh John 58 Brother RC Agricultural Labourer Cannot Read Married McHugh.James 45 Brother RC General Labourer Read/Write Single McHugh Mary 49 Sister RC Cannot Read Single McHugh Anne 43 Sister RC Seamstress Read/Write Single Residents of a house No 22 Seskinore McHugh Peter 55 Farmer Read/Write RC Single Regards Paula Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.
That is excellent Boyd. I love maps! Its amazing what they can do now with the reprographic quality compared to the early 1980s when many of the Church registers were filmed. I hate looking at some of films where everything is "black"!!I can remember watching the young Mormon lads working away in their wee wooden hut up at PRONIHow far we have come since then. best wishes and keep up the good work. Robert www.ulsterancestry.com > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected] > Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2013 15:31:09 +0100 > CC: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [CoTyIre] Abercorn Papers > > The microfilm I was looking at is full of maps, obviously in black and white > and with no idea of the size of the original but they are indeed very > clearly filmes, easy to read and extremely useful as they have a key to who > held each plot and there is often an indication of who a plot passed to at > some time. The maps were of various dates but the ones I looked at were > 1777 and 1806: > > > > D623/D1/14-20 Irish estate maps & valuations:Survey of Derrygoon Manor > (partof), ca. 1756. Comments on Liskey, Clonleagh, 1765. Survey of Dernalebe > & Skinboy, ca. 1775. Maps of the Abercorn estate in the manors of Donelong, > Strabane, Cloghogle, & Derrygoon, in Tyrone, 1777, and Magavlin & Lismoghry > in Donegal, 1781. Valuations of Manors of Strabane, Cloghogle and Derrygoon, > 1777. Value of Strabane fields,1799. Family History Library BRITISH > Film 1885920 Items 1-8 > > > > D623/D1/21,23-27 Irish estate maps and valuations: Map of Baronscourt Park, > 1800. Maps of the manors of Strabane, Cloghogle, and Donelong, 1806. Maps of > the manors of Magavlin and Lismulmagh [sic],1806. Valuation of Ardstraw > churchlands (See of Derry), 1807. Family History Library BRITISH > Film 1885920 Items 9-15 > > > > And the rent books are even better because they DO show when land changed > hand and sometimes even state what relation the new lease holder was to the > old of if the land was sold to the new owner and therefore probably not a > relation. Think GVRBs but better! > > > > It is very exciting that these have been made available to the whole world > by the Mormons. People really should get them ordered in to their FHC if > they have ancestors on Abercorn land. Like Robert said in another post, I > am now pushing the research back another two generations. > > Boyd Gray > > http://familytrees.genopro.com/boydgray26/Boyd/default.htm > > http://www.westulstergenealogy.com/ > > http://www.facebook.com/westulstergenealogy > > > > _____ > > From: Ulster Ancestry [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: 10 April 2013 15:10 > To: Mike Kelly; [email protected]; [email protected]; > [email protected]; [email protected] > Cc: '[email protected]' > Subject: RE: [CoTyIre] Abercorn Papers > > > > Mike, > > > > Among the original paper records are large bound volumes of hand drawn and > coloured 18th century maps detailing the Estate. > > I don't know if they have been filmed or even if they could be read on film > as each map is perhaps 3 feet x 2 feet. > > > > best regards > > > > Robert > > > > www.ulsterancestry.com > SNIP > > ------------- > Our community web-site: http://cotyroneireland.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
From: [email protected] To: [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected] CC: [email protected] Subject: RE: [CoTyIre] Abercorn Papers Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2013 14:03:33 +0000 Hello Boyd, Until you mentioned it I had no idea that any of the Abercorn collection had been filmed. I've been using the original papers at PRONI Ref D 633 for years. Teena Trook did transcribe some of the rent books for the 1820 re-leting which are available on the County Tyrone website and some on my site www.ulsterancestry.com. In addition to the Abercorn Papers a great County Tyrone resource is The History of the Two Ulster Manors of Finagh and Coole, Co. Tyrone" by Lord Belmore which I believe is also on the Tyrone website. We use the local Estate Papers as standard in every family history search as in the absence of "organised" material for the pre 1835 time period they can be a great help to the researcher. Therin can be found many many "gems" I found previously unknown evidence for my own family in Inishowen dated 1741 and 1771 taking me back another 2 generations. It's what the dedicated family historian is now after. best wishes Robert www.ulsterancestry.com > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected] > Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2013 13:47:58 +0100 > CC: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [CoTyIre] Abercorn Papers > > Robert, > > Do you have any idea how much was filmed by the LDS, and therefore available > for non Belfast folk on microfilm from SLC, and how much has not been filmed > and therefore may contain hidden treasures?! > > Boyd Gray > > http://familytrees.genopro.com/boydgray26/Boyd/default.htm > > http://www.westulstergenealogy.com/ > > http://www.facebook.com/westulstergenealogy > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ulster Ancestry > Sent: 10 April 2013 13:43 > To: [email protected]; [email protected]; > [email protected] > Cc: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [CoTyIre] Abercorn Papers > > > > > > > > Hello Katherine > Subject The Abercorn Papers. > The Abercorn Papers consist of c.29,300 individually numbered documents, 759 > volumes, 88 bundles and 40 PRONI boxes 1219-1963. In default of individual > numbering of the contents of these bundles and boxes, the best way of > conveying an impression of the size of the archive is to say that it runs to > 168 boxes, 9 yards of volumes too large to be accommodated in a box, and 6 > map drawers of other outsize material. For more information as to content > see http://www.proni.gov.uk/introduction_abercorn_d623.pdf > best regards > Robert > www.ulsterancestry.com > > > > From: [email protected] > > To: [email protected] > > Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2013 12:40:45 +0100 > > CC: [email protected]; [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [CoTyIre] Abercorn Papers > > > > Hi Katherine, > > > > No, I might do an extra workshop on it. > > > > But it is infinitely easier than it was. > > > > Go to the FamilySearch website and click "Catalog" - it will take you > here: > > https://familysearch.org/catalog-search > > > > Click Keywords and enter "Abercorn Papers" in the Keywords box that opens > up > > - NOT in the Place Name box. Hit enter and Bob's your uncle, you have the > > Abercorn Papers. > > > > Choose your film and then order it from here: > > https://familysearch.org/films/ > > > > Hope this helps. > > > > Boyd Gray > > > > http://familytrees.genopro.com/boydgray26/Boyd/default.htm > > > > http://www.westulstergenealogy.com/ > > > > http://www.facebook.com/westulstergenealogy > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Katherine Nolan [mailto:[email protected]] > > Sent: 10 April 2013 05:25 > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: RE: [CoTyIre] Abercorn Papers > > > > Boyd, that sounds fantastic. Do any of your previous educational excerpts > > (Youtube etc) tell us how to search or 'open up' the information enclosed > in > > these Abercorn papers? > > Thanks > > Katherine Nolan > > (sometime luddite!) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [email protected] > > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of > > [email protected] > > Sent: Wednesday, 10 April 2013 9:56 AM > > To: [email protected]; [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [CoTyIre] Abercorn Papers > > > > Hi Loretta, > > > > The Griffiths IS mid 1800s but these sources give you the same thing - who > > held what, when and where, with maps - in the 18th century and early 19th > > century. > > > > Boyd Gray > > > > http://familytrees.genopro.com/boydgray26/Boyd/default.htm > > > > http://www.westulstergenealogy.com/ > > > > http://www.facebook.com/westulstergenealogy > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Loretta Layman [mailto:[email protected]] > > Sent: 09 April 2013 21:04 > > To: [email protected]; [email protected]; > > [email protected] > > Subject: RE: [CoTyIre] Abercorn Papers > > > > Hi Boyd. Maybe I've been striving under a wrong assumption. I thought > > Griffiths was strictly mid 1800s. Please correct me if I'm wrong. > > > > Loretta > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [email protected] > > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of > > [email protected] > > Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2013 3:53 PM > > To: [email protected]; [email protected] > > Subject: [CoTyIre] Abercorn Papers > > > > ... Maps of who held what in 1778 and 1806 - think Griffiths. > > > > Boyd Gray > > > > ------------- > > Our community web-site: http://cotyroneireland.com/ > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------- > > Our community web-site: http://cotyroneireland.com/ > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------- > Our community web-site: http://cotyroneireland.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------- > Our community web-site: http://cotyroneireland.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Mike, Among the original paper records are large bound volumes of hand drawn and coloured 18th century maps detailing the Estate.I don't know if they have been filmed or even if they could be read on film as each map is perhaps 3 feet x 2 feet. best regards Robert www.ulsterancestry.com > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected] > Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2013 09:49:56 -0400 > CC: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [CoTyIre] Abercorn Papers > > Thanks Boyd. This should help. > > Mike > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2013 9:35 AM > To: 'Mike Kelly' ; 'Ulster Ancestry' ; [email protected] ; > [email protected] ; [email protected] > Cc: '[email protected]' > Subject: RE: [CoTyIre] Abercorn Papers > > Hi Mike, > > I do not have a map of his estates to hand, or even if one exists but I > assume what you want to know is - are my folks on Abercorn land? Well, > clearly, the Dukes estates would change in size over time but if you check > the c1855 GV for your own people, you will see if the major landowner is > Abercorn. > > Boyd Gray > > > > > > > ------------- > Our community web-site: http://cotyroneireland.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Hello Mike , Primarily Parish of Ardstraw, Town of Strabane and parts of Donagheady in County Tyrone and lands directly across the River Foyle in County Donegal, around the town of St Johnstone.The Estate was split in a number of "Manors" for administration purposes. best regards Robert www.ulsterancestry.com > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected] > Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2013 09:20:36 -0400 > CC: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [CoTyIre] Abercorn Papers > > What or where were the Duke of Abercorn's Estates exactly? What area or > Parishes of Tyrone did they cover? > > Regards, > > Michael Kelly > > Emporium, > Cameron County, > Pennsylvania, > United States of America > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ulster Ancestry > Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2013 8:43 AM > To: [email protected] ; [email protected] ; > [email protected] > Cc: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [CoTyIre] Abercorn Papers > > > > > > > > Hello Katherine > Subject The Abercorn Papers. > The Abercorn Papers consist of c.29,300 individually numbered documents, 759 > volumes, 88 bundles and 40 PRONI boxes 1219-1963. In default of individual > numbering of the contents of these bundles and boxes, the best way of > conveying an impression of the size of the archive is to say that it runs to > 168 boxes, 9 yards of volumes too large to be accommodated in a box, and 6 > map drawers of other outsize material. For more information as to content > see http://www.proni.gov.uk/introduction_abercorn_d623.pdf > best regards > Robert > www.ulsterancestry.com > > > > From: [email protected] > > To: [email protected] > > Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2013 12:40:45 +0100 > > CC: [email protected]; [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [CoTyIre] Abercorn Papers > > > > Hi Katherine, > > > > No, I might do an extra workshop on it. > > > > But it is infinitely easier than it was. > > > > Go to the FamilySearch website and click "Catalog" - it will take you > > here: > > https://familysearch.org/catalog-search > > > > Click Keywords and enter "Abercorn Papers" in the Keywords box that opens > > up > > - NOT in the Place Name box. Hit enter and Bob's your uncle, you have the > > Abercorn Papers. > > > > Choose your film and then order it from here: > > https://familysearch.org/films/ > > > > Hope this helps. > > > > Boyd Gray > > > > http://familytrees.genopro.com/boydgray26/Boyd/default.htm > > > > http://www.westulstergenealogy.com/ > > > > http://www.facebook.com/westulstergenealogy > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Katherine Nolan [mailto:[email protected]] > > Sent: 10 April 2013 05:25 > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: RE: [CoTyIre] Abercorn Papers > > > > Boyd, that sounds fantastic. Do any of your previous educational excerpts > > (Youtube etc) tell us how to search or 'open up' the information enclosed > > in > > these Abercorn papers? > > Thanks > > Katherine Nolan > > (sometime luddite!) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [email protected] > > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of > > [email protected] > > Sent: Wednesday, 10 April 2013 9:56 AM > > To: [email protected]; [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [CoTyIre] Abercorn Papers > > > > Hi Loretta, > > > > The Griffiths IS mid 1800s but these sources give you the same thing - who > > held what, when and where, with maps - in the 18th century and early 19th > > century. > > > > Boyd Gray > > > > http://familytrees.genopro.com/boydgray26/Boyd/default.htm > > > > http://www.westulstergenealogy.com/ > > > > http://www.facebook.com/westulstergenealogy > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Loretta Layman [mailto:[email protected]] > > Sent: 09 April 2013 21:04 > > To: [email protected]; [email protected]; > > [email protected] > > Subject: RE: [CoTyIre] Abercorn Papers > > > > Hi Boyd. Maybe I've been striving under a wrong assumption. I thought > > Griffiths was strictly mid 1800s. Please correct me if I'm wrong. > > > > Loretta > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [email protected] > > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of > > [email protected] > > Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2013 3:53 PM > > To: [email protected]; [email protected] > > Subject: [CoTyIre] Abercorn Papers > > > > ... Maps of who held what in 1778 and 1806 - think Griffiths. > > > > Boyd Gray > > > > ------------- > > Our community web-site: http://cotyroneireland.com/ > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------- > > Our community web-site: http://cotyroneireland.com/ > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------- > Our community web-site: http://cotyroneireland.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------- > Our community web-site: http://cotyroneireland.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Hello Boyd, Until you mentioned it I had no idea that any of the Abercorn collection had been filmed. I've been using the original papers at PRONI Ref D 633 for years. Teena Trook did transcribe some of the rent books for the 1820 re-leting which are available on the County Tyrone website and some on my site www.ulsterancestry.com. In addition to the Abercorn Papers a great County Tyrone resource is The History of the Two Ulster Manors of Finagh and Coole, Co. Tyrone" by Lord Belmore which I believe is also on the Tyrone website. We use the local Estate Papers as standard in every family history search as in the absence of "organised" material for the pre 1835 time period they can be a great help to the researcher. Therin can be found many many "gems" I found previously unknown evidence for my own family in Inishowen dated 1741 and 1771 taking me back another 2 generations. It's what the dedicated family historian is now after. best wishes Robert www.ulsterancestry.com > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected] > Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2013 13:47:58 +0100 > CC: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [CoTyIre] Abercorn Papers > > Robert, > > Do you have any idea how much was filmed by the LDS, and therefore available > for non Belfast folk on microfilm from SLC, and how much has not been filmed > and therefore may contain hidden treasures?! > > Boyd Gray > > http://familytrees.genopro.com/boydgray26/Boyd/default.htm > > http://www.westulstergenealogy.com/ > > http://www.facebook.com/westulstergenealogy > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ulster Ancestry > Sent: 10 April 2013 13:43 > To: [email protected]; [email protected]; > [email protected] > Cc: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [CoTyIre] Abercorn Papers > > > > > > > > Hello Katherine > Subject The Abercorn Papers. > The Abercorn Papers consist of c.29,300 individually numbered documents, 759 > volumes, 88 bundles and 40 PRONI boxes 1219-1963. In default of individual > numbering of the contents of these bundles and boxes, the best way of > conveying an impression of the size of the archive is to say that it runs to > 168 boxes, 9 yards of volumes too large to be accommodated in a box, and 6 > map drawers of other outsize material. For more information as to content > see http://www.proni.gov.uk/introduction_abercorn_d623.pdf > best regards > Robert > www.ulsterancestry.com > > > > From: [email protected] > > To: [email protected] > > Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2013 12:40:45 +0100 > > CC: [email protected]; [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [CoTyIre] Abercorn Papers > > > > Hi Katherine, > > > > No, I might do an extra workshop on it. > > > > But it is infinitely easier than it was. > > > > Go to the FamilySearch website and click "Catalog" - it will take you > here: > > https://familysearch.org/catalog-search > > > > Click Keywords and enter "Abercorn Papers" in the Keywords box that opens > up > > - NOT in the Place Name box. Hit enter and Bob's your uncle, you have the > > Abercorn Papers. > > > > Choose your film and then order it from here: > > https://familysearch.org/films/ > > > > Hope this helps. > > > > Boyd Gray > > > > http://familytrees.genopro.com/boydgray26/Boyd/default.htm > > > > http://www.westulstergenealogy.com/ > > > > http://www.facebook.com/westulstergenealogy > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Katherine Nolan [mailto:[email protected]] > > Sent: 10 April 2013 05:25 > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: RE: [CoTyIre] Abercorn Papers > > > > Boyd, that sounds fantastic. Do any of your previous educational excerpts > > (Youtube etc) tell us how to search or 'open up' the information enclosed > in > > these Abercorn papers? > > Thanks > > Katherine Nolan > > (sometime luddite!) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [email protected] > > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of > > [email protected] > > Sent: Wednesday, 10 April 2013 9:56 AM > > To: [email protected]; [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [CoTyIre] Abercorn Papers > > > > Hi Loretta, > > > > The Griffiths IS mid 1800s but these sources give you the same thing - who > > held what, when and where, with maps - in the 18th century and early 19th > > century. > > > > Boyd Gray > > > > http://familytrees.genopro.com/boydgray26/Boyd/default.htm > > > > http://www.westulstergenealogy.com/ > > > > http://www.facebook.com/westulstergenealogy > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Loretta Layman [mailto:[email protected]] > > Sent: 09 April 2013 21:04 > > To: [email protected]; [email protected]; > > [email protected] > > Subject: RE: [CoTyIre] Abercorn Papers > > > > Hi Boyd. Maybe I've been striving under a wrong assumption. I thought > > Griffiths was strictly mid 1800s. Please correct me if I'm wrong. > > > > Loretta > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [email protected] > > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of > > [email protected] > > Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2013 3:53 PM > > To: [email protected]; [email protected] > > Subject: [CoTyIre] Abercorn Papers > > > > ... Maps of who held what in 1778 and 1806 - think Griffiths. > > > > Boyd Gray > > > > ------------- > > Our community web-site: http://cotyroneireland.com/ > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------- > > Our community web-site: http://cotyroneireland.com/ > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------- > Our community web-site: http://cotyroneireland.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------- > Our community web-site: http://cotyroneireland.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Hello Katherine Subject The Abercorn Papers. The Abercorn Papers consist of c.29,300 individually numbered documents, 759 volumes, 88 bundles and 40 PRONI boxes 1219-1963. In default of individual numbering of the contents of these bundles and boxes, the best way of conveying an impression of the size of the archive is to say that it runs to 168 boxes, 9 yards of volumes too large to be accommodated in a box, and 6 map drawers of other outsize material. For more information as to content see http://www.proni.gov.uk/introduction_abercorn_d623.pdf best regards Robert www.ulsterancestry.com > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2013 12:40:45 +0100 > CC: [email protected]; [email protected] > Subject: Re: [CoTyIre] Abercorn Papers > > Hi Katherine, > > No, I might do an extra workshop on it. > > But it is infinitely easier than it was. > > Go to the FamilySearch website and click "Catalog" - it will take you here: > https://familysearch.org/catalog-search > > Click Keywords and enter "Abercorn Papers" in the Keywords box that opens up > - NOT in the Place Name box. Hit enter and Bob's your uncle, you have the > Abercorn Papers. > > Choose your film and then order it from here: > https://familysearch.org/films/ > > Hope this helps. > > Boyd Gray > > http://familytrees.genopro.com/boydgray26/Boyd/default.htm > > http://www.westulstergenealogy.com/ > > http://www.facebook.com/westulstergenealogy > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Katherine Nolan [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: 10 April 2013 05:25 > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: [CoTyIre] Abercorn Papers > > Boyd, that sounds fantastic. Do any of your previous educational excerpts > (Youtube etc) tell us how to search or 'open up' the information enclosed in > these Abercorn papers? > Thanks > Katherine Nolan > (sometime luddite!) > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of > [email protected] > Sent: Wednesday, 10 April 2013 9:56 AM > To: [email protected]; [email protected] > Subject: Re: [CoTyIre] Abercorn Papers > > Hi Loretta, > > The Griffiths IS mid 1800s but these sources give you the same thing - who > held what, when and where, with maps - in the 18th century and early 19th > century. > > Boyd Gray > > http://familytrees.genopro.com/boydgray26/Boyd/default.htm > > http://www.westulstergenealogy.com/ > > http://www.facebook.com/westulstergenealogy > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Loretta Layman [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: 09 April 2013 21:04 > To: [email protected]; [email protected]; > [email protected] > Subject: RE: [CoTyIre] Abercorn Papers > > Hi Boyd. Maybe I've been striving under a wrong assumption. I thought > Griffiths was strictly mid 1800s. Please correct me if I'm wrong. > > Loretta > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of > [email protected] > Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2013 3:53 PM > To: [email protected]; [email protected] > Subject: [CoTyIre] Abercorn Papers > > ... Maps of who held what in 1778 and 1806 - think Griffiths. > > Boyd Gray > > ------------- > Our community web-site: http://cotyroneireland.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------- > Our community web-site: http://cotyroneireland.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: EileenWilson001 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.ireland.tyr.general/60.828.1.2.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: The answer will lie in Scotland with Richard's death record which should name his parents and a place of birth. The Scottish records are very good, but will cost you some money (not hugely expensive): http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/welcome.aspx Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.
hi, I am trying to identify the Town or Townland of Elderwood, and wonder if it is in Tyrone ?? I am trying to identify the family of Mary Ann McCaffrey of ??Elderwood. She was mentioned in the Will of someone in Fermanagh, but I can't find this Townland in Fermanagh ?? Does this ring any bells with anyone ?? Thank you in advance for any feedback. Regards, SEAN
This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: lokoffwilson Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.ireland.tyr.general/60.828.1.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi Eileen, Thanks so much for this info...Ive managed to find most of it...however, my BIG challenge is finding Richard Wilson and Ann Armstrong BEFORE they went to Scotland...they just sort of pop up there on the census with no apparent previous history. I cannot find anything of them in Ireland even though the two older boys were born there. Ann's burial record notes she is from Tyrone...I am assuming Richard is too...i don't know for sure. I know when they were in Quebec, Canada they belonged to a very tight knit Methodist Church full of Johnston's, Barton's,and other Fermanagh folk. I suspect that Ann (or Richard) had close ties to them before going to Canada ... although They lived in Scotland for more than 20 years before heading over. Any ideas??? Thanks!! Bridgid Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.
I recently found that my GGG Grandfather, Edward Murphy, was from Donaghmore Parish, County Tyrone. His wife Ann Loughran was from Killeeshil Parish, County Tyrone. They married in Killeeshil Parish 20 Jan 1818. I found a Tithe Applotment surname index for 1826-1828 on the Killeeshil & Clonaneese Historical Society web site (have to be a member to view). I found only one Edwd Murphy in the townland of Killylevin, in Donaghmore Parish, for survey year 1826. When I search the Tithe Applotment books for later years I don't find an Edward/Edwd Murphy (which would make sense since they left Ireland in 1848). I also searched Griffith's Valuation and don't find an Edward Murphy in Donaghmore. I did find a James Murphy in Killylevin, Donaghmore. I know Edward and Ann had a son named James (and 7 other children). I have found 6 of the 8 children in the New York Emigrant Savings Bank records, and I know they emigrated in 1848. I have not found anything to show that James ever left Ireland so it is possible that this could be Edward's son. My questions: 1. I know they left Ireland in 1848, so I'm wondering if any survey's were done for County Tyrone between 1828 and 1848? 2. Is there a Griffith's Valuation for earlier years for County Tyrone? I have only seen records for 1860. If anyone has any suggestions that might help me find this family or where they lived I'd be soooooo happy!!! I will be in Ireland in two weeks and would love to visit the homeland of my Murphy ancestors. Thank you, thank you, thank you for your help, Allison
This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: wojojan68 Surnames: O'Hanlon, Dillon Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.ireland.tyr.general/7454/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Looking for relatives who may have information on the parish of John O'Hanlon b 1816-19 Ireland. Arrived 1845 N.Y.,married Bridget Dillon in Utica? N.Y. 1855. 1856 1st of seven children born, Mary Ann,Martina Adelia John Edward Elizabeth and Richard. Jan Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.
Was browsing the Internet looking for other ways to find ancestors and came across this site for looking up immigrant ships by name, date, and you can click on a ship name for all passengers of that specific ship. http://www.lookupthe.name/fipas.php Ally
This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: DaveBoylan Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.ireland.tyr.general/7444.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hello Darrell, A 91 page book by David Raymond Elliott called, "Sydare Methodist Cemetery, Magheracross Parish, County Fermanagh," published in 2008, may contain the names of all those buried in the Sydare Methodist Cemetery. One library in Canada and one library in the U.S. own this book, as noted in the WorldCat link at: http://www.worldcat.org/title/sydare-methodist-cemetery-magheracross-parish-county-fermanagh/oclc/463760526 The link shows that the owning library in Canada is the Library and Archives of Canada, in Ontario. In the U.S. the Allen County Public Library, located in Fort Wayne Indiana, also holds a copy of the book as well. What you can do is go to your local public library in SK and ask the librarian if they can obtain David Raymond Elliott's book through inter-library loan from the Archives of Canada, or the Fort Wayne Public Library. I know that my local library in Massachusetts has ordered books from as far away as California (3,000 miles) through WorldCat. Some of the information that your local librarian may need to order the book, other than the title and author, may include: ISBN: 9780978176495 0978176499 OCLC Number: 463760526 Description: 91 p. : col. ill., 1 col. map ; 29 cm. ____ Concerning Robert and Charlotte Loane, I found them and several of their children in the 1901 and 1911 census enumerations of Ireland, living in the townland Cabragh, District Electoral Division (DED) of Drumharvey, County Tyrone. You may already have seen these census returns, but it's from both census enumerations that I located the civil birth indexes for 10 of their children at the Irish Family History Foundation (IFHF) website for County Fermanagh. More on these births later. Also, from the information you provide in your message to Ancestry.com, I uncovered the civil marriage index for Robert Loane and Charlotte "Bleakely." Civil Registration began in Ireland in 1845 when the government began to record Protestant marriages only. Civil Registration of births, marriages, and deaths for all religious denominations commenced in Ireland in 1864. This means that because Robert Loane and Charlotte Bleakley were Methodist Protestants, there would be a civil marriage record for them, as I found they were married after 1844. Below is their marriage index from Ancestry.com. The index shows their marriage recorded in the Irvinestown, County Fermanagh Registration District for the June quarter of 1885. The Irvinestown Registration District, though in Fermanagh, appears to have crossed the border into County Tyrone for the purpose of recording births, marriages, and deaths for certain towns and parishes located on the border. The marriage index follows: Ireland, Civil Registration Marriages Index, 1845-1958 Name: Robert Loane Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1885 Registration district: Irvinestown Volume: 2 Page Number: 131 FHL Film Number: 101255 Records on Page: Names Charlotte Bleakely Robert Loane Source Information: Ancestry.com. Ireland, Civil Registration Marriages Index, 1845-1958 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2011. Original data: "Ireland, Civil Registration Indexes 1845-1958," Index. FamilySearch, Salt Lake City, Utah. General Register Office. "Quarterly Returns of Births in Ireland with Index to Births." Belfast, Ireland. ____ If you do not have the civil marriage record for Robert and Charlotte, you can order it from the General Register Office (GRO) in Roscommon Town, County Roscommon. For information about ordering civil registration birth, marriage, and death records, and for applications forms and cost for the records, go to the GRO website at: www.groireland.ie/ Along with their names and ages, the civil marriage record should include the address where each was living before marriage, Robert's occupation, and the names and occupations of Robert and Charlotte's fathers. The marriage record may also specify whether or not their fathers had been deceased at the time of the marriage in 1885. With the names of their fathers, you may then be able to uncover the individual birth and or baptism ecords for Robert and Charlotte, and possibly the marriage records for their parents. Below are the 1901 and 1911 census transcriptions for the family of Robert and Charlotte Loane in Cabragh, County Tyrone. The enumerations come from the National Archives of Ireland website link at: http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/search/ In the 1911 census you'll see that Robert and Charlotte had been married for 25 years and in that time period had 10 children, with one of those children deceased as of 1911. Following each census transcriptions you'll see a link from the National Archives for copies of the original census enumerations: 1901 Census of Ireland Residents of a house 7 in Cabragh (Drumharvey, Tyrone) Surname Forename Age Sex Relation to head Religion Birthplace Occupation Literacy Irish Language Marital Status Specified Illnesses Loane Robert 48 Male Head of Family Methodist Church Co Tyrone Farmer Read and write Married Loane Charlotte 39 Female Wife Methodist Co Tyrone Read and write Married Loane May 14 Female Daughter Methodist Co Tyrone Scholar Read and write Not Married Loane Lizzie Anne 12 Female Daughter Methodist Co Tyrone Scholar Read and write Not Married Loane Martha Ellen 10 Female Daughter Methodist Co Tyrone Scholar Read and write Not Married Loane John 8 Male Son Methodist Co Tyrone Scholar Read and write Not Married Loane Charlotte Ezabeth 6 Female Daughter Methodist Co Tyrone Scholar Read and write Not Married Loane Letitia Margon 3 Female Daughter Methodist Co Tyrone Scholar Read only Not Married Loane Dorothy West 11 mo Female Daughter Methodist Co Tyrone Cannot read or write ____ http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai001203939/ 1911 Census of Ireland Residents of a house 8 in Cabragh (Drumharvey, Tyrone) Surname Forename Age Sex Relation to head Religion Birthplace Occupation Literacy Irish Language Marital Status Specified Illnesses Years Married Children Born Children Living Loane Robert 58 Male Father Methodist Co ? Farmer Read write Married 25 10 9 Loane Charlotte 49 Female Mother Methodist Co Tyrone Embroidery Agent Read and write Married 25 10 9 Loane Martha E 20 Female Daughter Methodist Co Tyrone Read and write Single Loane John 18 Male Son Methodist Co Tyrone Read and write Single Loane Charlott M 14 Female Daughter Methodist Co Tyrone Scholars Read and write Single Loane Winnifred 9 Female Daughter Methodist Co Tyrone Scholars Read write Single Loane William R A 7 Male Son Methodist Co Tyrone Scholars Read write Single Loane Hermine Rathleen 4 Female Daughter Methodist Co Tyrone Scholars Cannot read Single ____ http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai003453548/ After a few more comments you'll see the civil birth indexes for the 10 children of Robert Loane and Charlotte Bleakley from the Irish Family History Foundation (IFHF) website for County Fermanagh. The names and dates of birth for the children are Mary (1886); Eliza Ann (1888); Martha Ellen (1890); John (1892); Letitia (1894); Charlotte (1897); Dorothe (1900); Sarah (1901); Andrew (1904); and Hermoine K (1906). The births were all recorded in the Trillick (RD), that is Registration District, county Fermanagh. The IFHF homepage can be found at: http://www.rootsireland.ie/ Before accessing indexes at the IFHF you'll first have to register. Registration is free. You'll also be able to access the birth indexes for the Loane children that I did for free, but you will be charged to obtain transcriptions of the births from the IFHF. You'll have to purchase a sufficient amount of credits with a credit card to obtain the transcriptions. The IFHF website has more information about purchasing credits for baptism, as well as birth, marriage, and death or burial transcriptions at: http://www.rootsireland.ie/index.php?id=78 To view a sample of a civil birth record transcription, go to the IFHF website link at: http://www.rootsireland.ie/index.php?id=samplerecords#birth The 10 birth indexes for the Loane children are below: 1 match for the search criteria: Loane (plus variants) Mary 1886 Parish: TRILLICK (RD) Record Type: Baptism/Birth Records for Co. Fermanagh Surname: Loane First Name: Mary Father's Surname: Loane Father's First Name: Robert Mother's Surname: Bleakley Mother's First Name: Charlotte Year: 1886 Parish/District: TRILLICK (RD) ____ 1 match for the search criteria: Loane (plus variants) Eliza Ann 1888 Parish: TRILLICK (RD) Record Type: Baptism/Birth Records for Co. Fermanagh Surname: Loane First Name: Eliza Ann Father's Surname: Loane Father's First Name: Robert Mother's Surname: Bleakley Mother's First Name: Charlotte Year: 1888 Parish/District: TRILLICK (RD) ____ 1 match for the search criteria: Loane (plus variants) Martha Ellen 1890 Parish: TRILLICK (RD) Record Type: Baptism/Birth Records for Co. Fermanagh Surname: Loane First Name: Martha Ellen Father's Surname: Loane Father's First Name: Robert Mother's Surname: Bleakley Mother's First Name: Charlotte Year: 1890 Parish/District: TRILLICK (RD) ____ 1 match for the search criteria: Loane (plus variants) John 1892 Parish: TRILLICK (RD) Record Type: Baptism/Birth Records for Co. Fermanagh Surname: Loane First Name: John Father's Surname: Loane Father's First Name: Robert Mother's Surname: Bleakley Mother's First Name: Charlotte Year: 1892 Parish/District: TRILLICK (RD) ____ 1 match for the search criteria: Loane (plus variants) Letitia 1894 Parish: TRILLICK (RD) Record Type: Baptism/Birth Records for Co. Fermanagh Surname: Loane First Name: Letitia Father's Surname: Loane Father's First Name: Robert Mother's Surname: Bleakley Mother's First Name: Charlotte Year: 1894 Parish/District: TRILLICK (RD) ____ 1 match for the search criteria: Loane (plus variants) Charlotte 1897 Parish: TRILLICK (RD) Record Type: Baptism/Birth Records for Co. Fermanagh Surname: Loane First Name: Charlotte Father's Surname: Loane Father's First Name: Robert Mother's Surname: Bleakley Mother's First Name: Charlotte Year: 1897 Parish/District: TRILLICK (RD) ____ 1 match for the search criteria: Loane (plus variants) Dorothe 1900 Parish: TRILLICK (RD) Record Type: Baptism/Birth Records for Co. Fermanagh Surname: Loane First Name: Dorothe Father's Surname: Loane Father's First Name: Robert Mother's Surname: Bleakley Mother's First Name: Charlotte Year: 1900 Parish/District: TRILLICK (RD) ____ 1 match for the search criteria: Loane (plus variants) Sarah 1901 Parish: TRILLICK (RD) Record Type: Baptism/Birth Records for Co. Fermanagh Surname: Loane First Name: Sarah Father's Surname: Loane Father's First Name: Robert Mother's Surname: Bleakley Mother's First Name: Charlotte Year: 1901 Parish/District: TRILLICK (RD) ____ 1 match for the search criteria: Loane (plus variants) Andrew 1904 Parish: TRILLICK (RD) Record Type: Baptism/Birth Records for Co. Fermanagh Surname: Loane First Name: Andrew Father's Surname: Loane Father's First Name: Robert Mother's Surname: Bleakley Mother's First Name: Charlotte Year: 1904 Parish/District: TRILLICK (RD) ____ 1 match for the search criteria: Loane (plus variants) Hermoine K 1906 Parish: TRILLICK (RD) Record Type: Baptism/Birth Records for Co. Fermanagh Surname: Loane First Name: Hermoine K Father's Surname: Loane Father's First Name: Robert Mother's Surname: Bleakley Mother's First Name: Charlotte Year: 1906 Parish/District: TRILLICK (RD) ____ You can purchase the birth transcriptions individually from 10 different indexes, but that would be tedious. The other option is to purchase the 10 transcriptions from one index. To do this do not include the first names of any of the children in the search engine. In place of the first names, use the % sign as a wild card. Also do not include years of birth for the children. Hence. the IFHF search engine form will look like this: 10 matches for the search criteria: Loane (plus variants) % Parish: TRILLICK (RD) Record Type: Baptism/Birth Records for Co. Fermanagh Surname: Loane First Name: % Father's Surname: Loane Father's First Name: Robert Mother's Surname: Bleakley Mother's First Name: Charlotte Year: Parish/District: TRILLICK (RD) ____ Best Wishes Darrell. If you respond please respond through this format at the Tyrone Message Board, as it will be easier to retrieve any further communications in the future. Dave Boylan Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. 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This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Calcuttacalling Surnames: McGeagh, M'Geagh, McCaw, Stevenson Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.ireland.tyr.general/590.624.3.4.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi Augusta, I wonder if we have any MacGeagh's in common. I am new to these message boards. My 2nd Great Grandmother was a Sarah M'Geagh from Cookstown who married Rev. William McCaw in 1842. Her dates b. 1822, d. 1893 approx', She had a sister, Margaret. Her father was John M'Geagh of Cookstown, (my 3rd Gt. Grandfather) he I think had a brother James, also of Cookstown. John had a grocery business which then grew into a linen and flax business. (o1824 & 1846 Piggots directory of Cookstown) His granddaughter Florence McCaw married an Issac Stevenson who with his brother David inherited a busicuit manufacturing business in Londonderry I think. I wonder with the names Issac & M'Geagh and biscuits in your tree if there are some connections? That would be exciting! Sincerely Be aka Calcuttacalling. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.
This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: SusanHopkins68 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.ireland.tyr.general/7453.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Many thanks for the link to the Griffiths Valuation update ! Will have to check it out to see who it is that seems to own most or all of the town of Aughnacloy, Co. Tyrone, in the 1901 census. Might be a relative to my great grandmother, Ellen MOORE WILSON, but I'm waiting on her New Jersey, USA death certificate to make links, hopefully. Planning a trip to Ireland this summer and trying to get as much research done from the US as I can before going. Planning to check out the Ulster American Heritage Park. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.
This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: BurgessDonnelly Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.ireland.tyr.general/7453.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: The 1901 and 1911 censuses have been available online for quite some time. The latest joy, for those of us with Northern Ireland roots, is the March 2013 release online of the Valuation Revision books http://www.proni.gov.uk/index/search_the_archives/val12b.htm The books are searchable and are the follow-ups to the original Griffiths Valuation - showing, for example, when land changed hands from 1864 to 1933. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.
This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: SusanHopkins68 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.ireland.tyr.general/7453/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Don't know how long these have been available, and searchable for free. They can be found at: http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/search/ I'm accustomed to searching census records in the US, and was saddened to learn that earlier ones had, with a few exceptions, been destroyed. However, I was amazed to see the level of detail for the rural families I was looking up. Be sure to look at the additional forms to see who owned the land, what sort of house it was, what kind of outbuildings (fowl house, piggery, etc.)and what the living conditions were of the immediate neighbors. I also used Google satellite view for more info on what an area looked like. I did have to be creative in finding the town of Aughnacloy in County Tyrone. It was indexed as Aughancloy, though the forms themselves were correct. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.