Debby, It could be either townland, given that the difference is just one vowel and spelling was not as strict back then -- plus it could be a matter of a different pronunciation and Irish dialects. Do you have any other information to figure out which one? Ticar (Clogher) was 179 acres in size whereas Tircur (Cappagh) was 400 acres - I would imagine that the larger townland would have more inhabitants, but that all depends upon the quality of the land. According to the Householders' Index the HALL surname was present in the parish of Aghlurcher at the time of Griffith's Valuation and the Tithe Applotment. I don't have access to the Householder's Index for the civil parish of Cappagh, but you should check that too. Many libraries have the "Householder's Index" and there are indexes on CD of Griffith's. I believe the TIthe has been microfilmed by the Mormons. The closest spelling of Bernay that I could find in a quick search was BERNE and BARNE. Clare L. -----Original Message----- Thank you. My Joseph Charles Hall gives Tircarr Ireland as his place of birth on his marriage certificate. Would you concur that it is probably the township of Tircar in Clogher? How can I obtain any records such as census or BDm's for this place? Regards Debby -----Original Message----- Subject: [NIR-TYRONE] "Tircarr" and Jane Bernay & Robert Hall? There is a place called Tircur (aka Tyrcur) in the civil parish of Cappagh, not far from the town of Omagh located in the PLU of Omagh. There is also a townland called Tircar in the civil parish of Aghalurcher in the PLU of Clogher. -----Original Message----- <<< Hi, Is there such a place as Tircarr Co Tyrone? Has anyone any information on a Jane Bernay who married a Robert Hall? A son Joseph Charles Hall came to Australia around 1850 and his details are sketchy to say the least. He may have been born circa 1821. On of his Victorian marriage certificate he says he was born in Tircarr Co Tyrone to the above parents. Jane Bernay may have been born circa 1798. >>>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Salotim Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.ireland.tyr.general/6517.3.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I found most of the information I have on Alexander and Christopher from the shipping records at the NSW Archives I cant remember where I found the first child it may have been on his fathers or mothers death Cettificate.The Emerald Ancestors is a good place to look as it has some records for NOrthern IReland,that is where I found the 2nd Marriage of William Gardiner to Margaret Yound in 1856 that was 2 years before my GGrandfather came out.It is very hard to find out much from Ireland because of burnt records. You could try PRONI @dcalni.gov.uk.I havent had much sucess with records but I keep looking. Keep in touch,If I find anything I will let you know. Joan Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: thecheethams Surnames: Gardner, Gardiner, Gardener Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.ireland.tyr.general/6517.3.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Salotim, Thank you for your reply. I recently received a copy of the information on the Broom 1842 passenger list. I did not see a son, Samuel Gardner mentioned that died? Could you tell me where I could find this information? Do you know how old he was? On the same voyage of the Broom in 1842 there is William Gardner with his family, but he's listed as son of Nancy Gardiner, Widower. Perhaps this too was a relative as he's from Fermanagh too. Do you have any information on the family in Ireland? I still have been unable to find out exactly where the Gardner family is from in Ireland. The Broom records mention Fermanagh, but Alexander's death certificate mentions Tyrone. And neither give an exact location within these counties? I would be very interested in any information on a location in Ireland or any Irish records. Thank you Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Salotim Surnames: Gardiner.Gardener,Gardner, Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.ireland.tyr.general/6517.3/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Alexander and his wife Mary came to Australia on the Broom in 1842they had a son Samuel who died on the voyage out,a son Christopher,and a daughter Johanna (Later known as Ann) who was born on the voyage. His mother and father James and Mary Gardener were both dead. My GGrandfather George came to Australia in1858 his father was William and hisGrandfather was James Gardiner.George was born in Glengeen his mother was Jane Coulter,she died and William Married a Margaret YOung. I wouldnt take much notice of the Gardiner spelling.My family spelt thier Gardner without the "i" but on the records I have from Ireland the spelling is with the i, it depends who wrote down the details at the time. I am also looking for information on William as it sounds as if they were brothers , there was another brother Christopher who came ou with Alexander on he Broom. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Hi, Is there such a place as Tircarr Co Tyrone? Has anyone any information on a Jane Bernay who married a Robert Hall? A son Joseph Charles Hall came to Australia around 1850 and his details are sketchy to say the least. He may have been born circa 1821. On of his Victorian marriage certificate he says he was born in Tircarr Co Tyrone to the above parents. Jane Bernay may have been born circa 1798. Any help would be appreciated. Sorry I do not have any more particulars except that they may have had a daughter, and another son is believed to have come to Australia as well. Regards Debby (in Melbourne)

  Hi I would love to receive any information about my greatgreat grandfather MOSES MULHOLLAND and his wife Catherine McMinn.  What I do know is that they did live for a while in Dungannon Ireland as my greatgrandmother Margaret was born there in 1860.  They had at least 6 children who came to Australia on the Ocean Empress in 1862 arriving in Sydney. Unfortunately I cannot locate the mother Catherine among the shipping list or deaths in Australia so maybe she stayed in Ireland   I believe MOSES's father may have been MOSES and his mother's name maybe LETITIA, who stayed in Ireland.  I also suspect that a relative may have came across to Australia earlier and helped pay for their passage to this country.  Any help will be greatly appreciated.   CATHERINE McMINN's fathers name was James and that is the limit of information that I have on her. They were married November 5 1847 in Carland Tyrone Ireland.. Cheers Colleen  Get the name you always wanted with the new y7mail email address. www.yahoo7.com.au/y7mail

Hi I am trying to find out what happened to Catherine Mulholland nee McMinn sometime between 1860 and 1862.  I cannot locate her here in Australia or amongst the passenger list which her family (husband and 6 children ) came over therefore I am assuming that either she died in Tyrone around Dungannon area or stayed in Ireland.   Moses and the 6 children left Ireland on the Ocean Empress and arrived in New South Wales Australia in 1862. If anyone can help solve this little puzzle I would be very grateful.  Cheers from Australia Colleen Get the name you always wanted with the new y7mail email address. www.yahoo7.com.au/y7mail

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: tyroneire Surnames: GILMORE Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.ireland.tyr.general/6623.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Try finding the children in the 1901 Census. There is an alphabetical index to the census for Co. Tyrone which was done by Linda Meehan & published by Largy Books circa 1995. Title "1901 Irish Census Index" Co. Tyrone is Volume 2 and is a set of microfiche with some printed materials. Try www.worldcat.org & do a lookup under the title, not just volume 2. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: tyroneire Surnames: GILMORE Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.ireland.tyr.general/2227.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Try finding the children in the 1901 Census. There is an alphabetical index to the census for Co. Tyrone which was done by Linda Meehan & published by Largy Books circa 1995. Title "1901 Irish Census Index" Co. Tyrone is Volume 2 and is a set of microfiche with some printed materials ISBN 0969820313. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: farmerdaryl Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.ireland.tyr.general/2227.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I also am looking for a James Gilmore born abt 1801 from Omagh, Tyrone county, Ireland married Matilda Smith, born 1807. They had nine children: Isabella(1840?), James (1826?), Ann (1830), John (1831), Eliza (1834), William (1836), Katharine (1838), Frances (1845), and Thomas (1847) also born in Omagh. Do you have any connections? Any information on my JaMes or Matilda would be appreciated. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

There is a place called Tircur (aka Tyrcur) in the civil parish of Cappagh, not far from the town of Omagh located in the PLU of Omagh. There is also a townland called Tircar in the civil parish of Aghalurcher in the PLU of Clogher. -----Original Message----- From: derby2 <derby2@optusnet.com.au> To: NIR-TYRONE@rootsweb.com Sent: Mon, 19 May 2008 11:44 am Subject: [NIR-TYRONE] Jane Bernay & Robert Hall? Hi, Is there such a place as Tircarr Co Tyrone? Has anyone any information on a Jane Bernay who married a Robert Hall? A son Joseph Charles Hall came to Australia around 1850 and his details are sketchy to say the least. He may have been born circa 1821. On of his Victorian marriage certificate he says he was born in Tircarr Co Tyrone to the above parents. Jane Bernay may have been born circa 1798. Any help would be appreciated. Sorry I do not have any more particulars except that they may have had a daughter, and another son is believed to have come to Australia as well. Regards Debby (in Melbourne) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NIR-TYRONE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: farmerdaryl Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.ireland.tyr.general/6623/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I am looking for information on James Gilmore born abt 1801 in Omagh, Tyrone county or his wife Matilda Smith Gilmore born 1807 in Omagh, Tyrone county. They had nine children: Isabelle, James, Ann, John, Eliza, William, Katharine, Frances, and Thomas. One account says the children were baptized Presbyterian, but I do not know the parish or townland they were from. James died in Ireland in 1845. Matilda and son William came to US in 1848. Does anyone have any information they would share with us? Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: tomd63 Surnames: Dougherty Tithe Applotment Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.ireland.tyr.general/6619.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi Aileen: Sorry for taking so long to respond. I will purchase the Tyrone Co map and hopefully with the information I have we will be able to locate the land. Thanks for your assistance. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: tomd63 Surnames: Dougherty Tithe Applotment Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.ireland.tyr.general/6619.2.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi Eddie: Sorry for the late response to your assistance, but Benjamin and family left Ulster in 1829 so Griffith does not have him listed Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: annemedlinsk Surnames: Cuthbertson, Monteith Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.ireland.tyr.general/6622/mb.ashx Message Board Post: My ancestors, William Cuthbertson (or possibly Culberson) and Rachel Monteith, born in 1729 and 1755 respectively were living in County Tyrone and were married there at a Presbyterian Church in January 1772. I do not know the name of the church nor the name of the town where they lived in Tyrone, but need help there. I would like to find their place of residence and the Presbyterian church where they were married and also to find its address, if it still is in existence. These two emigrated to the Pennsylvania area of USA in 1733. I would like to find more information about this family. They had a son, Thomas, supposedly born in Tyrone in 1776, but that date must be wrong as they had already emigrated supposedly in 1733. The Cuthbertson family had migrated to Ireland from Midlothian, Scotland in the mid-1660s by another Cuthbertson relative, Thomas. I need to get more information about all the Cuthbertsons and the Monteiths in Ireland, if possible. Can anyone help me? Please contact me at annemedlin@comcast.net. Thank you. Anne Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: seatbelt Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.ireland.tyr.general/281.544.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: my g grandfathers name was james born 1821 married jane shanklen 1847 rwesided in saint john n.b. ca Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

>> Surnames: Dougherty Tithe Applotment >> I have a Tithe Applotment of my GGGrandfather Benjamin Dougherty >> and it reads as follows: >> Townland - Cloghogle or Glenknock >> Acres - 560 >> County - Tyrone >> Barony - Lower Strabane >> Civil Parish - Ardstraw >> PLU - Gortin >> Province - Ulster >> > Tom you could try http://staging.askaboutireland.ie/gv4/ > gv_intro.php > This site should give you the list of all persons living in the > townland, not unfortunately > in the tithe, but in the Griffiths Valuation and a townland map > of their individual holdings. Maybe from this site you can work out where your family lived. > HTH > Carole.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: car6m2ody Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.ireland.tyr.general/6621/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Interested in finding out if the following place is in Co. Tyrone. Spelling is as written. It may be phonetic/homophonic, incorrect or a combination. The place is AUGHELEUGH. TIA Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: josie982 Surnames: Bonner Classification: death Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.ireland.tyr.general/6620/mb.ashx Message Board Post: James Bonner died suddenly at his home, No. 611 Orange street, [Wilmington, New Castle county, Delaware, USA],at 6:30 last evening week of paralysis of the heart. Mr. Bonner was 60 years of age and weighed 225 pounds. He has been sick for several months. For several years, he has had heart trouble. Mr. Bonner was a native of County Tyrone, Ireland, where he was born on September 9, 1830. In 1846, he came to America and learned the trade of a tanner with Henry Stewart & Co. of Philadelphia. He engaged in the morocco business in this city in 1875, and accumulated some property. He leaves a wife, a son, and five daughters. The funeral took place on Friday afternoon. Delaware Gazette and State Journal, Wilmington, New Castle county, Delaware, USA, Thursday, 19 June 1890, page 1 Death record: Delaware Archives, # 32325, died 11 June 1890, paralysis of heart, married, morocco manufacturer, age 60, born Ireland, page 31. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: EddieKelso Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.ireland.tyr.general/6619.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: If your ancestors are also in Griffiths Valuation, the property they rented will be recorded on the Ordnance Survey map for the area - held in the Public Record Office of Northern Ireland (PRONI). Well worth a visit when you are in Northern Ireland! Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.