> Guinness origins begin to settle The origins of a pint of Guinness > appear to be much humbler than the man who gave the world "the black > stuff" wanted us to think. > > Recent testing by Trinity College Dublin of Guinness family DNA has > shown that Arthur Guinness's claims of being a descendant of the > Magennis chieftains of Iveagh, County Down, were nothing more than > aspirational. > > Despite this, when he married in 1761, he is even said to have had a > silver cup engraved with the Magennis crest, which features the red > hand of Ulster, a lion and a boar. The research, featured in a new > book, has shown that the family tree of the man, whose name still > appears on kegs and pint glasses across the globe, actually stems from > another County Down clan, the less revered and wealthy McCartans. > Furthermore, it appears that Arthur Guinness wasn't even among the > upper echelons of this particular clan. > > Presidential links > While the McCartans may not have had the social standing of the > Magennises, they can count among their descendants none other than > former French president Charles De Gaulle. De Gaulle's > great-grandmother was Marie Angelique McCartan. > To cloud the issue even further, the McCartan spiritual home is a > townland called Guiness (note the absence of an 'n') near Ballynahinch. > If this has whetted your appetite to delve deeper into the life and > times of Arthur Guinness, you could pick up a copy of Arthur's Round: > The Life and Times of Brewing Legend Arthur Guinness. > > Story from BBC NEWS: > http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/northern_ireland/7145951.stm > > Best wishes, Ros Davies Sydney Australia Check out my Co. Down, Ireland Genealogy Research Site http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~rosdavies Information on over 350,000 names, places & churches; townland maps and photos of over 400 churches and towns Searching for: -------------------------------------------- DAVIES in Llanidloes, Montgomeryshire, Wales RIDING in Cockerham, Lancashire, UK MOLL in Kalsow, Mecklenburg/Schwerin, Germany LAUE in northern Germany ZIZELSBERGER in Austria MARNER in Co. Down, Ireland --------------------------------------------
Further to that, the Boar is the crest of the Owen Clan who lived on both sides of the Irish Sea. donkelly Owen Rutledge ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rosalind Davies" <daviesmarner@optusnet.com.au> To: <nir-down@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2007 1:34 PM Subject: [NIR-DOWN] Arthur Guinness >> Guinness origins begin to settle The origins of a pint of Guinness >> appear to be much humbler than the man who gave the world "the black >> stuff" wanted us to think. >> >> Recent testing by Trinity College Dublin of Guinness family DNA has >> shown that Arthur Guinness's claims of being a descendant of the >> Magennis chieftains of Iveagh, County Down, were nothing more than >> aspirational. >> >> Despite this, when he married in 1761, he is even said to have had a >> silver cup engraved with the Magennis crest, which features the red >> hand of Ulster, a lion and a boar. The research, featured in a new >> book, has shown that the family tree of the man, whose name still >> appears on kegs and pint glasses across the globe, actually stems from >> another County Down clan, the less revered and wealthy McCartans. >> Furthermore, it appears that Arthur Guinness wasn't even among the >> upper echelons of this particular clan. >> >> Presidential links >> While the McCartans may not have had the social standing of the >> Magennises, they can count among their descendants none other than >> former French president Charles De Gaulle. De Gaulle's >> great-grandmother was Marie Angelique McCartan. >> To cloud the issue even further, the McCartan spiritual home is a >> townland called Guiness (note the absence of an 'n') near Ballynahinch. >> If this has whetted your appetite to delve deeper into the life and >> times of Arthur Guinness, you could pick up a copy of Arthur's Round: >> The Life and Times of Brewing Legend Arthur Guinness. >> >> Story from BBC NEWS: >> http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/northern_ireland/7145951.stm >> >> Best wishes, > Ros Davies > > Sydney > Australia > Check out my Co. Down, Ireland Genealogy Research Site > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~rosdavies > Information on over 350,000 names, places & churches; > townland maps and photos of over 400 churches and towns > > Searching for: > -------------------------------------------- > DAVIES in Llanidloes, Montgomeryshire, Wales > RIDING in Cockerham, Lancashire, UK > MOLL in Kalsow, Mecklenburg/Schwerin, Germany > LAUE in northern Germany > ZIZELSBERGER in Austria > MARNER in Co. Down, Ireland > -------------------------------------------- > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.17.2/1185 - Release Date: > 12/15/2007 12:00 PM > >