----- Original Message ----- From: <nir-down-request@rootsweb.com> To: <nir-down@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2007 1:00 AM Subject: NIR-DOWN Digest, Vol 2, Issue 537 > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: I need to pick your brains=off topic - finding birth in > San Be... (KPagape@aol.com) > 2. Re: I need to pick your brains=off topic (KPagape@aol.com) > 3. Re: I need to pick your brains=off topic (Patricia Moosman) > 4. Re: I need to pick your brains=off topic (Lyn Whelan) > 5. Re: Emerald vs. UHF.....again....notes on erros (Holleys) > 6. Re: I need to pick your brains=off topic (Diane Hettrick) > 7. Re: I need to pick your brains=off topic (The Huttons) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 21:23:15 EST > From: KPagape@aol.com > Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] I need to pick your brains=off topic - finding > birth in San Be... > To: nir-down@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <cb5.24615f11.3488b713@aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > > > In a message dated 12/5/2007 3:10:35 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, > mikejboyd@bigpond.com writes: > > I assume that you have joined the San Bernadino County Net Group and any > other Net group like for Schools in the area that your husband was born. > Perhaps some of the school friends of his mother may be your key > contacts. > > > Mike, > actually I did check for school records but found nothing. I didn't try > joining any net groups, so that is a brilliant idea and I think I will try > that > next. > > Love, > Kathy > > > > > **************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's > hottest > products. > (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 21:29:41 EST > From: KPagape@aol.com > Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] I need to pick your brains=off topic > To: nir-down@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <bf7.21e44fab.3488b895@aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > > > In a message dated 12/5/2007 3:30:28 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, > mikejboyd@bigpond.com writes: > > I assume that you and your husband have looked at "stolen" children > Police > reports for that period. You may need to look for a year or two either > side > > of his known birthday. > > If he was stolen, what benefit would his "new" parents get from stealing > him. > > Is there "Government" paper work his new parent would have had to fill > out > to get that benefit, etc. > > > > My husband and I have kidded through the years that we were going to keep > checking every milk carton that we get to see if we find his picture. I > have > looked for newspaper articles to see if maybe that is what happened, but > have > not found anything. The only "government" paperwork would be the "Foster > parents program" and that would give them a monthly payment from the > county for > taking care of them. They didn't file anything like that with the County > Government. They didn't do anything (not even report them) > They just wanted kept them and changed their names and treated them very > poorly. > > regards, > Kathy > > > > > **************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's > hottest > products. > (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2007 15:58:09 +1300 > From: Patricia Moosman <pat.moosman@clear.net.nz> > Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] I need to pick your brains=off topic > To: nir-down@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <0JSL00D1KXKZCY30@smtp4.clear.net.nz> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > You are saying Them was it more than one child?? > I wondered if perhaps he belonged to a member of the family like an elder > sister and who he thought were his parents were actually his grandparents > This is not uncommon > > Patricia > New Zealand > > -----Original Message----- > From: nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of KPagape@aol.com > Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2007 3:30 PM > To: nir-down@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] I need to pick your brains=off topic > > > > In a message dated 12/5/2007 3:30:28 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, > mikejboyd@bigpond.com writes: > > I assume that you and your husband have looked at "stolen" children > Police > reports for that period. You may need to look for a year or two either > side > > of his known birthday. > > If he was stolen, what benefit would his "new" parents get from stealing > him. > > Is there "Government" paper work his new parent would have had to fill > out > to get that benefit, etc. > > > > My husband and I have kidded through the years that we were going to keep > checking every milk carton that we get to see if we find his picture. I > have > looked for newspaper articles to see if maybe that is what happened, but > have > not found anything. The only "government" paperwork would be the "Foster > parents program" and that would give them a monthly payment from the > county > for > taking care of them. They didn't file anything like that with the County > Government. They didn't do anything (not even report them) > They just wanted kept them and changed their names and treated them very > poorly. > > regards, > Kathy > > > > > **************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's > hottest > > products. > (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 16:19:39 +1300 > From: "Lyn Whelan" <johnwhelan@xtra.co.nz> > Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] I need to pick your brains=off topic > To: <nir-down@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <000b01c837b6$d817c0b0$6401a8c0@Lyn> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > I must have missed something with this discussion - I can't recall reading > about children being taken or stolen. However on the matter of adoption, > I > recently had an experience in relation to adoption records - I requested > a > b/c for a birth in 1901 and was told it couldn't be provided as it > involved > adoption. Odd thing was if I provided the post adoption name of the > child > and adoptive parents I could have a post adoption certificate without a > problem. As a result we have discovered this person was born > illegitimately > and her mother gave her to her sister and brother-in-law. They adopted > her > formally - however when she was 3 her mother married and took her back - > no > re-adoption took place. This person grew up as a "P" believing her step > father to be her birth father and used this surname throughout her adult > life. It was only when she went to get her own birth certificate in > preparation for her marriage in 1927 she learned the truth. She never > spoke > to her parents again. Her aunt who adopted her was apparently devastated > when her mother recalimed her. This has answered so many puzzles > surrounding why family members had no contact - it has filled a gap but we > have had to handle the details with great sensitivity. I guess you could > look at this case as a formal "in family adoption" > Lyn > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Patricia Moosman" <pat.moosman@clear.net.nz> > To: <nir-down@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2007 3:58 PM > Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] I need to pick your brains=off topic > > >> You are saying Them was it more than one child?? >> I wondered if perhaps he belonged to a member of the family like an elder >> sister and who he thought were his parents were actually his grandparents >> This is not uncommon >> >> Patricia >> New Zealand >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com >> [mailto:nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com] >> On Behalf Of KPagape@aol.com >> Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2007 3:30 PM >> To: nir-down@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] I need to pick your brains=off topic >> >> >> >> In a message dated 12/5/2007 3:30:28 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, >> mikejboyd@bigpond.com writes: >> >> I assume that you and your husband have looked at "stolen" children >> Police >> reports for that period. You may need to look for a year or two either >> side >> >> of his known birthday. >> >> If he was stolen, what benefit would his "new" parents get from stealing >> him. >> >> Is there "Government" paper work his new parent would have had to fill >> out >> to get that benefit, etc. >> >> >> >> My husband and I have kidded through the years that we were going to >> keep >> checking every milk carton that we get to see if we find his picture. I >> have >> looked for newspaper articles to see if maybe that is what happened, but >> have >> not found anything. The only "government" paperwork would be the >> "Foster >> parents program" and that would give them a monthly payment from the >> county >> for >> taking care of them. They didn't file anything like that with the >> County >> Government. They didn't do anything (not even report them) >> They just wanted kept them and changed their names and treated them very >> poorly. >> >> regards, >> Kathy >> >> >> >> >> **************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's >> hottest >> >> products. >> (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 21:21:03 -0600 > From: "Holleys" <ljholley@comcast.net> > Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] Emerald vs. UHF.....again....notes on erros > To: <nir-down@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <001a01c837b7$0830ae10$e7645444@oemcomputer> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > I had a terrible time getting my money returned on a similar site. > Finally had to go through my credit card company to get it resolved. I > think most pay sites leave something to be desired with the exception of > Ancestry. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Fiona Jones > To: nir-down@rootsweb.com > Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 5:30 PM > Subject: [NIR-DOWN] Emerald vs. UHF.....again....notes on erros > > > > Dear LIST members, > > I have had many problems with the accuracy of information obtained from > www.ancestryireland.com and I know I am not alone. I wondered why > although > I contacted the company I never received any response nor were any > efforts > made to correct the data. A fellow LIST member told me to look at their > Liability Disclaimer and I think the third paragraph clearly describes > the > only course of action open to anyone with concerns about the data on the > www.ancestryireland.com site. > > ** The information, products and services included on this Web Service > may > include inaccuracies or typographical errors. Changes are periodically > made > to the information herein. UHF provides all content "as is", and without > any > warranty of any kind. > > ** The Ulster Historical Foundation makes no representations concerning > the > suitability, reliability or accuracy of the content or the service > provided > on the websites for any purpose. We disclaim all warranties, expressed or > implied, in connection with the content and the services provided, > including > conditions of merchantability, fitness for a particular purpose, title > and > non-infringement. If no case will we be liable for any direct, indirect, > punitive, special or other damages including, without limitation, lost or > delay of use, lost profits, loss of data or any other damage in contract, > tort, equity or any other legal theory, even if advised of the > possibility > thereof. > > ** If you are dissatisfied with this website or any of the websites or > any > terms of their use, your sole remedy is to discontinue using it. > > Conversely, another site that I frequently use www.emeraldancestors.com > takes a slightly different approach which may be seen from their > Disclaimer > > ** Emerald Ancestors endeavours to ensure that the information contained > within this Website and provided through all of our services is accurate. > However, due to the nature of the service, users should note that the > information can include inaccuracies and typographical errors. > > I know that whenever I have contacted www.emeraldancestors.com they have > been extremely quick to verify and when necessary correct any > mistranscriptions. > > Just my thoughts. > > Fiona. > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 22:53:22 -0800 > From: Diane Hettrick <dhettrick@earthlink.net> > Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] I need to pick your brains=off topic > To: nir-down@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <632bd4261dee09e1e586d2b534765812@earthlink.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed > > This was very common in any era or place where it was shameful to have > a child out of wedlock. Whoever was in best position in the family to > raise a new child would take him. Sometimes they would move out of > town for the crucial months. > > Although it's interesting that his interests and personality are so > different from the rest of the family. > > Talk to the neighbors or the church ladies' children or anyone who > would have been in a position to know what was happening. Old family > friends or their children. Teachers. Parole officers. LOL > > Diane Hettrick, dhettrick@earthlink.net > May you ask the right question of the right person at the right time. > > > On Dec 5, 2007, at 6:58 PM, Patricia Moosman wrote: > >> You are saying Them was it more than one child?? >> I wondered if perhaps he belonged to a member of the family like an >> elder >> sister and who he thought were his parents were actually his >> grandparents >> This is not uncommon >> >> Patricia >> New Zealand >> > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 23:54:38 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) > From: "The Huttons" <huttoncda@earthlink.net> > Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] I need to pick your brains=off topic > To: <nir-down@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <4757AABE.000115.00420@CPQ> > Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hey Kathy > > Since you've gotten great replies from the world over, I'll > > reply to the list as it may help other searchers. > > > > It sounds like you have thoroughly checked the obvious U.S. > > websites and references. > > > > Have you considered checking the 1940 US Census for young > > Joan Rebecca Lattie b.~1939 ? (if that was her maiden name) > > The 1940 census won't be available to the public til April 2012. > > But, if you have an extra $ 65.00 after Christmas, the US Census > > Bureau will search the census for you. I don't know if they can > > search based on an address of "Texas", or not. You might > > contact them to see what they can do. It will cost you to get > > details. They have $10.00 add on fees for stuff that should be > > included. And, of course, you have to fill out a form, BC-600. > > > > Google US Census Bureau and click on Age Search Service > > for more details. > > > > Good luck > > Rick Hutton > > Idaho, USA > > > > Looking for Munce in Co Down. Munce, hell, ...I've been looking > > for yeers ! > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > > > -------Original Message------- > > > > From: KPagape@aol.com > > Date: 12/5/2007 6:30:49 PM > > To: nir-down@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] I need to pick your brains=off topic > > > > > > > > In a message dated 12/5/2007 3:30:28 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, > > mikejboyd@bigpond.com writes: > > > > I assume that you and your husband have looked at "stolen" children Police > > reports for that period. You may need to look for a year or two either > side > > > > of his known birthday. > > > > If he was stolen, what benefit would his "new" parents get from stealing > > him. > > > > Is there "Government" paper work his new parent would have had to fill out > > to get that benefit, etc. > > > > > > > > My husband and I have kidded through the years that we were going to keep > > checking every milk carton that we get to see if we find his picture. I > have > > > looked for newspaper articles to see if maybe that is what happened, but > have > > not found anything. The only "government" paperwork would be the "Foster > > parents program" and that would give them a monthly payment from the > county > for > > taking care of them. They didn't file anything like that with the County > > Government. They didn't do anything (not even report them) > > They just wanted kept them and changed their names and treated them very > > poorly. > > > > regards, > > Kathy > > > > > > > > > > **************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's > hottest > > > products. > > (http://money.AOL.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the NIR-DOWN list administrator, send an email to > NIR-DOWN-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the NIR-DOWN mailing list, send an email to > NIR-DOWN@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of NIR-DOWN Digest, Vol 2, Issue 537 > **************************************** > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.14/1172 - Release Date: > 12/5/2007 8:41 AM >