Hi, Claire Sorry I didn't reply sooner but was very busy. There is a Joshua Fowler on the CAORA site: Townland Loughans; Parish Tullylish. This is the only one I have come across - but will recheck some of the list I have and get back to you next week. Roberta -----Original Message----- From: nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Claire McConville Sent: November 22, 2007 6:47 AM To: nir-down@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] Bev's offer Robert, Sorry to butt in here. I am interested in the name Fowler. Namely a Joshua Fowler who was a witness to my GG Grandparents' (Joseph McMorran and Susanna Pepper) Wedding on 15th July 1858. I'm assuming Joshua was close to, and possibly related as were a lot of marriage witnesses, to one of the families. The other witness was Elizabeth Holland. So, if you come across this Fowler name during your research, I would be most interested. Likewise, if I come across your Elizabeth Fowler, I will certainly let you know. Claire McConville www.claires-rosleaancestry.co.uk -----Original Message----- From: nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Muir, Roberta Sent: 21 November 2007 22:34 To: nir-down@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] Bev's offer I would appreciate the opportunity of taking advantage of your kind offer. I am trying to sort out the marriage of Charles McKeown and Elizabeth Fowler. According to their marriage certificate that I have, Charles' parents were John McEwan and Charlotte Frame; Eliza's parents were James Fowler and Agnes Ferris. Date of marriage: 15 June 1857, Ballyesborough. The following information that a kind lister sent to me would fit in with the forementioned as my grandfather was 'William' who was born in Greyabbey - "Charles McKeown who married Eliz Fowler and believe it said he was originally from Co, Tyrone but son William born in Greyabbey". I received an e-mail with the following informatlion - There is also a registration for the marriage of Charles and Elizabeth Fowler of 4 January 1858 - Index 33 04/01/1858 the marriage of Chas.I. McKeon age 19 years of Ballygarvan a farm servant, Father Hugh McKeon, Labourer, to Fowler Eliza - witnesses Robert Sinclair and Nancy Jamison. Is there any way of finding out if there were two Charles and Elizabeths married in County Down or if, somehow, the registration got mixed? I am really puzzled. Thank you in advance. Roberta Muir ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Griffith's Valuations Tullylish 1863-4 FOWLER William, George & Fergus, Ballynagarrick Upper. Richard, Stratmore Pk., Gilford William, Tanderagee Rd., Gilford ----- Original Message ----- From: "Muir, Roberta" <Roberta.Muir@justice.gc.ca> To: <nir-down@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, November 23, 2007 8:51 AM Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] Bev's offer > Hi, Claire > > Sorry I didn't reply sooner but was very busy. > > There is a Joshua Fowler on the CAORA site: Townland Loughans; Parish > Tullylish. This is the only one I have come across - but will recheck > some of the list I have and get back to you next week. > > Roberta > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Claire McConville > Sent: November 22, 2007 6:47 AM > To: nir-down@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] Bev's offer > > Robert, > > Sorry to butt in here. I am interested in the name Fowler. Namely a > Joshua Fowler who was a witness to my GG Grandparents' (Joseph McMorran > and Susanna > Pepper) Wedding on 15th July 1858. I'm assuming Joshua was close to, and > possibly related as were a lot of marriage witnesses, to one of the > families. The other witness was Elizabeth Holland. So, if you come > across this Fowler name during your research, I would be most > interested. Likewise, if I come across your Elizabeth Fowler, I will > certainly let you know. > > Claire McConville > > www.claires-rosleaancestry.co.uk > > > -----Original Message----- > From: nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of Muir, Roberta > Sent: 21 November 2007 22:34 > To: nir-down@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] Bev's offer > > I would appreciate the opportunity of taking advantage of your kind > offer. > > I am trying to sort out the marriage of Charles McKeown and Elizabeth > Fowler. > > According to their marriage certificate that I have, Charles' parents > were John McEwan and Charlotte Frame; Eliza's parents were James Fowler > and Agnes Ferris. Date of marriage: 15 June 1857, Ballyesborough. > The following information that a kind lister sent to me would fit in > with the forementioned as my grandfather was 'William' who was born in > Greyabbey - "Charles McKeown who married Eliz Fowler and believe it said > he was originally from Co, Tyrone but son William born in Greyabbey". > > I received an e-mail with the following informatlion - There is also a > registration for the marriage of Charles and Elizabeth Fowler of 4 > January 1858 - Index 33 04/01/1858 the marriage of Chas.I. McKeon age > 19 years of Ballygarvan a farm servant, Father Hugh McKeon, Labourer, to > Fowler Eliza - witnesses Robert Sinclair and Nancy Jamison. > > Is there any way of finding out if there were two Charles and Elizabeths > married in County Down or if, somehow, the registration got mixed? I am > really puzzled. > > Thank you in advance. > > Roberta Muir > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you Hugh, These places I know! Ballynagarrick was where the McMorrans and later the McConville family came from and Tandragee was where the McConville family ended up living (in the Aughlish Cottages). Looking ever more hopeful. Claire www.claires-rosleaancestry.co.uk -----Original Message----- From: nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Hugh Macartney Sent: 23 November 2007 17:34 To: nir-down@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] Bev's offer Griffith's Valuations Tullylish 1863-4 FOWLER William, George & Fergus, Ballynagarrick Upper. Richard, Stratmore Pk., Gilford William, Tanderagee Rd., Gilford

Can you help me identify the origin of the Keys surname in County Fermanagh, Northern Ireland? DNA testing has ruled out a genetic relationship with the Keys family at Lifford, which first appeared in Ireland under Elizabeth I and settled there under James 1. The first documented Keys in County Fermanagh is Hugh Keys born ca.1660 and died in 1733. A mention of a Widow Ki (or Kee?) on a 1720 survey suggests that the name may have evolved in that period. Documentary sources suggest that Keys (as well as other commono names such as MacKey, MacKay, MacKee, MacKoy, Hughes, Hewson, Eason, MacHugh and McGee) may have been an anglicized form of the Celtic Mac Aoidha (or son of Aodh, meaning "fire," anglicized as Hugh). In light of this, it may be relevant that the first documented Keys in Fermanagh bore the christian name Hugh. One family of McKee originated in Myrton-McKee, Penninghame, Wigton, Scotland and settled in counties Down and Antrim. This line appears to account for a large proportion of McKees in Northern Ireland. Another branch of Scottish McKees in Ireland derives from John McKie of Larg, Minnigaff, Kirkcudbright, descended from Sir Patrick McKie. This family settled in Derry. MacHugh originated in Galway and spread into County Roscommon. The name is now frequent in counties Leitrim and Fermanagh. The MacGee name in Ulster is either of Scottish, akin to MacDonnell (and thus ultimately Irish in origin), or is a from a Gaelic Irish group that lived on the Donegal and Tyrone borders. The early history of this branch is not known. Finally, one source indicates that MacKee can also be a anglicization of Macan Caoich (coach = blind), and was used by the Oreilly of Breffney. This later evolved into Key(e)s. Lastly, heraldry provides one further clue. The motifs on the Keys coats of arms found on gravestones in Fermanagh are common to many armorial bearings. However, one coat of arms in Scotland, that of the Aberach MacKay family, shows a strong resemblance. It has the lion rampant and hand in common with Keys arms, and also adds 10 fleur de lis on the outside of the shield. A relationship between the two is possible, but perhaps not probable. Barring further documentary evidence, we must appeal to DNA to unravel this mystery. I invite males bearing the surnames McKee, McGee, McHugh, Hughes and variants of these to help solve the riddle by participating in DNA projects. Please contact me if interested. Thank you. Roy Keys

I seem unable to find an index to the Householders Index. I know I saw it a few weeks ago and wrote down the number of Burnside families in each county. Now I seemed to have mislaid the sheet of paper and can not find a link. Thank you for any help. Linda ----- Original Message ----- From: Muir, Roberta To: nir-down@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, November 23, 2007 10:51 AM Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] Bev's offer Hi, Claire Sorry I didn't reply sooner but was very busy. There is a Joshua Fowler on the CAORA site: Townland Loughans; Parish Tullylish. This is the only one I have come across - but will recheck some of the list I have and get back to you next week. Roberta -----Original Message----- From: nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Claire McConville Sent: November 22, 2007 6:47 AM To: nir-down@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] Bev's offer Robert, Sorry to butt in here. I am interested in the name Fowler. Namely a Joshua Fowler who was a witness to my GG Grandparents' (Joseph McMorran and Susanna Pepper) Wedding on 15th July 1858. I'm assuming Joshua was close to, and possibly related as were a lot of marriage witnesses, to one of the families. The other witness was Elizabeth Holland. So, if you come across this Fowler name during your research, I would be most interested. Likewise, if I come across your Elizabeth Fowler, I will certainly let you know. Claire McConville www.claires-rosleaancestry.co.uk -----Original Message----- From: nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Muir, Roberta Sent: 21 November 2007 22:34 To: nir-down@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] Bev's offer I would appreciate the opportunity of taking advantage of your kind offer. I am trying to sort out the marriage of Charles McKeown and Elizabeth Fowler. According to their marriage certificate that I have, Charles' parents were John McEwan and Charlotte Frame; Eliza's parents were James Fowler and Agnes Ferris. Date of marriage: 15 June 1857, Ballyesborough. The following information that a kind lister sent to me would fit in with the forementioned as my grandfather was 'William' who was born in Greyabbey - "Charles McKeown who married Eliz Fowler and believe it said he was originally from Co, Tyrone but son William born in Greyabbey". I received an e-mail with the following informatlion - There is also a registration for the marriage of Charles and Elizabeth Fowler of 4 January 1858 - Index 33 04/01/1858 the marriage of Chas.I. McKeon age 19 years of Ballygarvan a farm servant, Father Hugh McKeon, Labourer, to Fowler Eliza - witnesses Robert Sinclair and Nancy Jamison. Is there any way of finding out if there were two Charles and Elizabeths married in County Down or if, somehow, the registration got mixed? I am really puzzled. Thank you in advance. Roberta Muir ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Bev, When things slow down for you could you please look and see if there is anything about John Lindsay born in Co. Down in 1829? There is no rush for this at all. I am looking to find the name of his parents if at all possible. With thanks Gail