Hi Listers, Regarding the almost immediate baptism of infants. Because it was believed that to die unbaptised would leave you with the devil it was undertaken as soon as possible. The ultimate registered name may not always have been used at baptism; the devil was often called "Nick" hence "Nick Names" Cheers Peter in a warm 38C Melbourne -----Original Message----- From: nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nir-down-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of nir-down-request@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, 5 January 2008 4:33 AM To: nir-down@rootsweb.com Subject: NIR-DOWN Digest, Vol 3, Issue 7 Today's Topics: 1. baptsims and birth dates circa 1800 (Carolgriff@aol.com) 2. Re: Ellen REYNOLDS b. 1859 from Newry (Sarah Fernley) 3. FW: [IRL-ANTRIM] New Year Roll Call - ROBINSON / MORROW / SHANNON / DARROCH (Yvonne Russell) 4. Re: FW: [IRL-ANTRIM] New Year Roll Call - ROBINSON / MORROW / SHANNON / DARROCH (bganderson) 5. Re: baptsims and birth dates circa 1800 (DLCulhane@cs.com) 6. Re: baptsims and birth dates circa 1800 (Carolgriff@aol.com) 7. Re: baptsims and birth dates circa 1800 (conaught2) 8. Re: baptsims and birth dates circa 1800 (Carolgriff@aol.com) 9. Re: Ellen REYNOLDS b. 1859 from Newry (Hugh Macartney) 10. Historical Society in Portaferry or Library? (bzenke@aol.com) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 07:17:13 EST From: Carolgriff@aol.com Subject: [NIR-DOWN] baptsims and birth dates circa 1800 To: nir-down@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <d3d.1e015c73.34af7dc9@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Hi While looking at parish records (obtained from Ancestryireland.com) in County Down Im finding that children seemed to be baptised the same day they were born. Was this usual practice as in my (English) experience the baptisms were usually a couple of weeks later. Just wondering. Carol ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2008 12:26:18 +0000 From: "Sarah Fernley" <sfernley@ccm.ac.uk> Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] Ellen REYNOLDS b. 1859 from Newry To: <nir-down@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <477E25EA0200008C0001ABDA@gwia.ccm.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Hi Hugh, Thankyou very much for that. Very grateful. Sadly my grandparents records do not include details of any of her Reynolds family.I will add that to my list to eliminate from. Do you have any tips to how I can start to do this from the UK? Would i just have to apply for a birth certificate from here? I am completely new to Irish research and can't imagine i will find any on line parish registers to look through births and marraiges. I presume she is Catholic as she is in all the Bolton Catholic church registers for her children's baptisms. Sarah Message: 3 Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2008 19:55:05 -0800 From: Hugh Macartney <hhmacartney@shaw.ca> Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] First posting of interests REYNOLDS To: nir-down@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <004b01c84e85$9770d430$26f64518@ownercc2198af2> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original I found a J.Reynolds, Insurance Inspector at 3 Caulfield Terrace, newry, in 1886 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sarah Fernley" <sfernley@ccm.ac.uk> To: <NIR-DOWN@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 3:36 PM Subject: [NIR-DOWN] First posting of interests REYNOLDS > Hi, > > I am posting my interests for the Irish names in my paternal family > tree. I have one known connection to Newry Co. Down, my gg grandma Ellem > Reynolds > . I am based in Manchester, England and have managed to trace back many > generations of the English branches over the last year but have reached > a brick wall with the Irish connections. > My Irish ancestors all arrived in the C19th and settled in the North > West, principally Bolton in Lancashire and some if not all were > Catholics, probably all driven bt famine and attracted to the textile > trade in the North West. > I am hoping that someone may have links to the persons below or may be > able to point me in the right direction for further research. > > THANKYOU > > Sarah Fernley, > > Ellen Reynolds b. c. 1859 , from or born Newry, died c.1925/6 Bolton, > Lancs > Ellen married John Hatzer b.1858-62 Ireland, died 1902 Bolton, Lancs > I guess they married in Ireland and first records of this married couple > in England date from 1884. They went on to have six Hatzer children all > born in Bolton > > > > Other Irish born names in my tree- county and region unknown -ARMSTRONG > DACEY COFFIE HEALEY ********************************** This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed. Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of City College Manchester. If you are not the intended recipient, please be advised that you have received this e-mail in error and that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing, or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. ********************************** ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 12:44:17 -0000 From: "Yvonne Russell" <yvrussell@gmail.com> Subject: [NIR-DOWN] FW: [IRL-ANTRIM] New Year Roll Call - ROBINSON / MORROW / SHANNON / DARROCH To: <NIR-DOWN@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <001201c84ecf$8567d370$0201a8c0@LT01147> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I am researching family from areas - Dundonald (JOHN ROBINSON - a farmer 1800), Holywood (SHANNON), Belfast (JOHN ROBINSON - Shipwright / MORROW & DARROCH). My main family is ROBINSON and the other names listed married ROBINSONS. Yvonne ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2008 08:00:41 -0500 From: bganderson <b-g.anderson@sympatico.ca> Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] FW: [IRL-ANTRIM] New Year Roll Call - ROBINSON / MORROW / SHANNON / DARROCH To: nir-down@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <477E2DF9.5000108@sympatico.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Hi Yvonne: I have a James Robinson born about 1885 ? I wondered if you have this name in your family. He married a Jane/Jennie Anderson and I feel he probably worked in the shipyards as most of this family did. Brenda Yvonne Russell wrote: >I am researching family from areas - Dundonald (JOHN ROBINSON - a farmer >1800), Holywood (SHANNON), Belfast (JOHN ROBINSON - Shipwright / MORROW & >DARROCH). > >My main family is ROBINSON and the other names listed married ROBINSONS. > >Yvonne > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 08:27:40 EST From: DLCulhane@cs.com Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] baptsims and birth dates circa 1800 To: nir-down@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <c10.2753f7bc.34af8e4c@cs.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" I think in times and places where infant mortality was high, same-day baptism was not unusual. Diane ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 09:11:59 EST From: Carolgriff@aol.com Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] baptsims and birth dates circa 1800 To: nir-down@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <c16.2c8af2d8.34af98af@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Hi Diane Thats what i was thinking- maybe things were so bad they rountinely baptised their kids- just in case. Hard times. thanks carol ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 07:41:14 -0800 From: "conaught2" <conaught2@charter.net> Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] baptsims and birth dates circa 1800 To: <nir-down@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <009a01c84ee8$3d7dc150$0a00a8c0@krisitc65c6b9> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Yes, the priest was ususally called to baptize the child the same day or one day after the birth. Some people may find birth records which are dated after the baptismal date of the child and think they have the wrong person. Parents were required to register the birth of their child within a month of the birth. Sometimes it took up to several months for the parents to go to town and register the birth of their child. If the birth was not registered within a month, the parents were fined. Originally baptisms were performed on the same day or day after the birth because as was stated they were fearful of the child dying. Sadly if the baby died before being baptized the child was not allowed to be buried in a church cemetery which was blessed ground. These babies were buried outside of the cemetery walls. Recently throughout Ireland many of these graves have been blessed and stones have been placed to recognize the burial places of these babies. It must have been heartbreaking for parents who not only had to deal with the loss of their new born baby but then to be told their child could not have a funeral or be buried in the church cemetery. Beannachtai, Margaret (M?iread) ----- Original Message ----- From: <Carolgriff@aol.com> To: <nir-down@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 4:17 AM Subject: [NIR-DOWN] baptsims and birth dates circa 1800 > Hi > > While looking at parish records (obtained from Ancestryireland.com) in > County Down Im finding that children seemed to be baptised the same day > they were > born. > > Was this usual practice as in my (English) experience the baptisms were > usually a couple of weeks later. > > Just wondering. > > Carol > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 10:48:44 EST From: Carolgriff@aol.com Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] baptsims and birth dates circa 1800 To: nir-down@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <c89.1f81c3b9.34afaf5c@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Hi Margaret Thanks for the detail provided. Its lovely to know that some of those little graves have nown been given the respect they deserved, and it certainly explains the haste to get babies baptised. Carol ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2008 08:30:36 -0800 From: Hugh Macartney <hhmacartney@shaw.ca> Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] Ellen REYNOLDS b. 1859 from Newry To: nir-down@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <000801c84eef$22cb53c0$26f64518@ownercc2198af2> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Reynolds is a common name in Co. Down. See caora.net and the Ros Davies Co. Down web site. Your nearest branch of the Mormon library (Latter Day Saints) will have the International Genealogical Index and you could go through all the Reynolds listed. You could start with Ellen and try and find her parents and siblings. Registrations after 1846 will be available but earlier records can be difficult to find. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sarah Fernley" <sfernley@ccm.ac.uk> To: <nir-down@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 4:26 AM Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] Ellen REYNOLDS b. 1859 from Newry > Hi Hugh, > > Thankyou very much for that. Very grateful. > > Sadly my grandparents records do not include details of any of her > Reynolds family.I will add that to my list to eliminate from. > > Do you have any tips to how I can start to do this from the UK? Would i > just have to apply for a birth certificate from here? I am completely > new to Irish research and can't imagine i will find any on line parish > registers to look through births and marraiges. I presume she is > Catholic as she is in all the Bolton Catholic church registers for her > children's baptisms. > > Sarah > > > Message: 3 > Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2008 19:55:05 -0800 > From: Hugh Macartney <hhmacartney@shaw.ca> > Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] First posting of interests REYNOLDS > To: nir-down@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <004b01c84e85$9770d430$26f64518@ownercc2198af2> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; > reply-type=original > > I found a J.Reynolds, Insurance Inspector at 3 Caulfield Terrace, newry, > in > 1886 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sarah Fernley" <sfernley@ccm.ac.uk> > To: <NIR-DOWN@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 3:36 PM > Subject: [NIR-DOWN] First posting of interests REYNOLDS > > >> Hi, >> >> I am posting my interests for the Irish names in my paternal family >> tree. I have one known connection to Newry Co. Down, my gg grandma > Ellem >> Reynolds >> . I am based in Manchester, England and have managed to trace back > many >> generations of the English branches over the last year but have > reached >> a brick wall with the Irish connections. >> My Irish ancestors all arrived in the C19th and settled in the North >> West, principally Bolton in Lancashire and some if not all were >> Catholics, probably all driven bt famine and attracted to the textile >> trade in the North West. >> I am hoping that someone may have links to the persons below or may be >> able to point me in the right direction for further research. >> >> THANKYOU >> >> Sarah Fernley, >> >> Ellen Reynolds b. c. 1859 , from or born Newry, died c.1925/6 Bolton, >> Lancs >> Ellen married John Hatzer b.1858-62 Ireland, died 1902 Bolton, Lancs >> I guess they married in Ireland and first records of this married > couple >> in England date from 1884. They went on to have six Hatzer children > all >> born in Bolton >> >> >> >> Other Irish born names in my tree- county and region unknown > -ARMSTRONG >> DACEY COFFIE HEALEY > > ********************************** > This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential and > intended solely for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed. Any > views or > opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily > represent those of City College Manchester. > > If you are not the intended recipient, please be advised that you have > received this e-mail in error and that any use, dissemination, forwarding, > printing, or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. > > ********************************** > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2008 12:31:44 -0500 From: bzenke@aol.com Subject: [NIR-DOWN] Historical Society in Portaferry or Library? To: NIR-DOWN-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <8CA1D0ECF57EC51-9C0-118C@webmail-da11.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Happy New Year Listers: We will be traveling to Ireland in late Feb and early March.?Will visit Portaferry and like to locate family information?or better yet, family!? Noted that the Tourist Information Office will be closed during that time and would like to make contact with someone who could provide information on where to go.? Surnames of interest: MCALPINE, GOWAN, PARKE, FINNEGAN, BLACKMORE Appreciate any suggestions that may be out there.? Thanks.?????? Beverly in Virginia. ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com ------------------------------ To contact the NIR-DOWN list administrator, send an email to NIR-DOWN-admin@rootsweb.com. 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