Mary My lay understanding is that you could and often did have four levels of for land occupation. After 1609 you had the noblity being given large area of land. They in turn leased to Undertakers area of several hundred acres Who in term had tennant farmers They may have even subtennants Then in the early 1900 under a British Act of Parliament, these land owners had to sell the land to their tennants. I do not know what the conditions where, but I think it had to do with those who had been in long term rents. Hopefully that will give you an idea Mike boyd Brisbane ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Guler" <mlmguler@yahoo.com> To: <NIR-DOWN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 12:39 AM Subject: [NIR-DOWN] Question about land ownership > Is there anyone who can help me understand about land ownership post > Battle of the Boyne (and even into today) in County Down? > > My family, Russell, seemed to have land that was part of the Kilmorey > estate, which they rented out to others. Some (?all) of that land is > still in the hands of family members. How did they come to be in > possession of the land? Was it purchased from the Kilmorey Estate? Was > it a gift? Why is it still referred to as Kilmorey Estate? > > Thanks in advance! > Mary > > > --------------------------------- > Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! > Search. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks, Mike. So could one assume that if one were an undertaker leasor of several hundred acres, one had the means to acquire such a lease,, or at least had some means and some favor with the nobility holding the land? l would think that if one came over from Scotland at that time, that they would have had to have been of some means at the time they came...... I have just placed a purchase order for the first two books previously referenced, written by David Dobson, in the hopes of finding information about Russell ancestors listed. Your insight is greatly appreciated. Mary Mike Boyd <mikejboyd@bigpond.com> wrote: Mary My lay understanding is that you could and often did have four levels of for land occupation. After 1609 you had the noblity being given large area of land. They in turn leased to Undertakers area of several hundred acres Who in term had tennant farmers They may have even subtennants Then in the early 1900 under a British Act of Parliament, these land owners had to sell the land to their tennants. I do not know what the conditions where, but I think it had to do with those who had been in long term rents. Hopefully that will give you an idea Mike boyd Brisbane ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Guler" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 12:39 AM Subject: [NIR-DOWN] Question about land ownership > Is there anyone who can help me understand about land ownership post > Battle of the Boyne (and even into today) in County Down? > > My family, Russell, seemed to have land that was part of the Kilmorey > estate, which they rented out to others. Some (?all) of that land is > still in the hands of family members. How did they come to be in > possession of the land? Was it purchased from the Kilmorey Estate? Was > it a gift? Why is it still referred to as Kilmorey Estate? > > Thanks in advance! > Mary > > > --------------------------------- > Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! > Search. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage.

After the Battle of the Boyne, the English government confiscated many 1,000's of acres of land from the original Irish (Celtic) owners. Folks who acquired land in 1609 through undetakers etc. also forfeited their lands if they fought on the side of the Irish Catholics during the Battle. Then the lands that the English confiscated were resold to 'loyal' noble who could buy the lands - cheaply. Our family 'bought' over 10,000 acres in Co. Meath and elsewhere. They had previously lost their lands in Co Fermanagh circa 1639, I think because they rented their lands to 'mere Irish', and this was not allowed under the undertaking. Our family then leased land to tenant farmers for long leases. In the Wyndham Act (I think it was called) the english government took the land from the large landholders and either gave or sold it to the sitting farmers. Hill's Plantation of Ulster gives more details and names about the 1609 plantation. Wendy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Boyd" <mikejboyd@bigpond.com> To: <nir-down@rootsweb.com>; <NIR-DOWN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 5:20 PM Subject: Re: [NIR-DOWN] Question about land ownership > Mary > My lay understanding is that you could and often did have four levels of > for > land occupation. > > After 1609 you had the noblity being given large area of land. > They in turn leased to Undertakers area of several hundred acres > Who in term had tennant farmers > They may have even subtennants > > Then in the early 1900 under a British Act of Parliament, these land > owners > had to sell the land to their tennants. I do not know what the conditions > where, but I think it had to do with those who had been in long term > rents. > > Hopefully that will give you an idea > > Mike boyd > Brisbane > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mary Guler" <mlmguler@yahoo.com> > To: <NIR-DOWN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 12:39 AM > Subject: [NIR-DOWN] Question about land ownership > > >> Is there anyone who can help me understand about land ownership post >> Battle of the Boyne (and even into today) in County Down? >> >> My family, Russell, seemed to have land that was part of the Kilmorey >> estate, which they rented out to others. Some (?all) of that land is >> still in the hands of family members. How did they come to be in >> possession of the land? Was it purchased from the Kilmorey Estate? Was >> it a gift? Why is it still referred to as Kilmorey Estate? >> >> Thanks in advance! >> Mary >> >> >> --------------------------------- >> Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! >> Search. >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NIR-DOWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >